Okay, well, good morning. All right,
while everyone's getting settled in this morning, we'll began.
This is panel four. The title for this panel is
Alignment Exemplars and Current Opportunities for Collaboration. My name
is Tyler Walters. I'm the Dean of University Libraries at
Virginia Tech, U.S.A. And a program
committee member for ANADP2. In her final day, how
about that? Already come quickly were dissolved reminiscing,
discussing here about how do the the patio
perspectives, courtyard perspectives, the sun to take this
outside. Uh huh. It's very nice. So
this session is we look at current opportunities for collaboration
. I'll mention quickly who our panelists are and they're
each going to give us a 10 minute or less
presentation about their organization and projects. And then we're
going to engage in some questions and discussion and we
definitely want audience participation. These panels very similar to
how the other panels, everything we have figured to
we need to hear from the panels in terms of
the organizations, make sure all of you are familiar
with but there are initiatives. Yes, so are
you gonna offer speakers first alternative this work was Panelist
who will be chris career, the U. S
. National Institute of Standards and Technology representing the Research
Data Alliance, Kathy Hartman on my immediate left of
the University of texas Libraries representing the international Internet preservation
consortium, Catherine Skinner, who you all should know
by now represented Tikopia Institute and you can young who's
with the Austrian Institute. Speaking of escaping and with
that I'm going to turn over to chris to talk
about. Are you okay? Thank you Tyler.
Good morning. Mm But now we've got your attention
a little bit of 20 so we can go from
there. This is a perfect opportunity to talk international
collaboration that's emerged Research data alliance. I'm speaking as
one of those who participated in catalyzing the launch of
Research State Alliance. Research State Alliance is a community
organization, belongs to the community is not mine organization
, but it's one that would try interact substantially.
So I'm going to answer a set of questions about
the research date alliance versus the issue of why is
Research Data Alliance needed and this gets at the issue
that science in the 21st century is global, answer
questions about the origins of the universe, the sources
of climate change and the impact, climate change,
the operation, an economy at global scale. All
of those things cannot be answered by establishing resources that
are local in nature, our regional or even national
in nature, but they require instead infrastructures that are
global character. And so many of us who are
investing in the infrastructure last how to form a global
infrastructure would provide the access that that scale. And
the example we looked to for the global infrastructure on
the internet is operated at the Internet itself is not
a thing. It's a set of protocols connecting thousands
of networks. It's not about how individual networks operate
themselves. It's how those networks interact, mother.
And so I'm thinking about a global data infrastructure is
not how an individual organizational repository operates, how those
organizations interacting with one another. So that data is
exchangeable across across the globe. And so that kind
of thing can be created in the internet was not
created by mandate by legal authority, treaty or those
emerged from the community as a community. And so
just as the internet was driven by the community by
the engineering task force who envisioned a similar referee community
based effort which has come to be main research data
alive. Um, this is a slide that shows
a bit about the organization of the research data lines
and the deep blue box are sort of the represents
the community as a whole. In the various components
from the community, there's a council and I'll talk
a little bit about, okay later there's a technical
advisory group of experts who lies the council, a
secretariat for some of the administration operations, an organizational
group that provides those organizations investing in the idea with
the voice and then all of the work gets done
in working groups and again more about them. In
a minute there's a parallel organization called the R.
D. A colloquium, which is a group of
those funding agencies which are engaged with Research Data Alliance
. All right. So the council, there are
now seven members on the guardian council from that the
U. S. From France, from Botswana,
from Germany and from Australia and the UK. So
very broad global representation with a wide variety of expertise
and interests represented across the council and that's intended to
represent the diversity of interests in the community. The
funds represented by R. D. A. The
Technical and Lives report similarly, with a proper representation
as you can see from different sorts of institution.
Institutions are very different types and located at a wide
variety of sites around. Hello this health get sort
of the frog range of technic technical expertise that you
would need in order to operate, buying and operating
global infrastructure. The community through Arda works in two
different kinds settings. The first is an interest group
and an interest group is that it's an ongoing group
, one that will continue over time may have all
over as well. And it's an opportunity for people
with common interests to explore areas in which they would
like to work together where they can see challenges that
the community could take off reach some consensus about the
nature of those challenges and make a decision on whether
to proceed and the outcome of that decision is to
form a working group with a specific task The working
group. So I should say there are 23 current
and emerging working groups that are arranged by topic area
agricultural data week. Information are examples in this category
. Technologies like cloud computing networks. Some of the
data issues like data provenance and then some of the
broader issues came up in some of our earlier conversations
here. Legal interoperability in legal frameworks, out of
those work, general investments in infrastructure are examples of
some of the interest groups. As I said,
the function of interest groups is to reach some consensus
on how to proceed and a the common mechanism that
is to establish a working group with a specific tasking
And a 12 to 18 month timeline to achieve a
delivery able suppose an interest group proposes a case study
that's reviewed by the council and if approved, the
working group is formed and launched with a specific deliverable
. So when you get down to it, the
question, what is hard to do. It forms
working groups that produce technical papers that maybe Sanders for
adoption, may be deployed infrastructure and tools and resources
policy that can be adopted, best practices and guidelines
and so on. Those are the things the tangibles
that emerged from the working group. There are not
in current and emerging working groups. You can see
here some exams from that set. No. All
right. So, so who's the R. D
. A. While their individual members uh and anybody's
enjoyment. You just have to share the principles of
the R. D. A. You can join
on their website, their organizational members who join the
R. D. A. And you are on
special menu. You actually are members already. Uh
The first player in the meeting of the day was
held Governor Sweden back in March of last year,
the second plenary in Washington D. C. In
september about 200 participants in That meeting, representing 23
countries from around the world and the next planet recession
is in Dublin Ireland in mid March of the coming
years. So join us and participate in this endeavour
to launch a global data infrastructure and you can do
that visiting the website so that gives you a sense
of the research data lines. Thanks question. Our
next speaker will be permanent National Heritage Preservation Consortium partner
. And I actually work at the University of North
texas and associate dean. They're working with martin.
Right? They I M. P. C.
Is what I'm here to talk about today as the
current chair of the steering committee of the So this
image is actually a visualization of links among websites within
a web archive. But I think it's also good
illustration of the BBC big dots our member organizations and
all the linking between is how we work together group
in very different ways for very different kinds of projects
that the PC embodies the characteristics of working together.
We're noncompetitive, our interactions help when members need help
. We share strategies and best practices. We collaborate
on the development and sharing tools. We do so
much together as a group and blending together asking interest
. I think that one of the best testimonials community
spirit, one of our retirees work the glory of
Iceland. Told me I'm tired. The only thing
I miss about working as the eye can see there
are many of us in the field that mm So
why we work together, we have a common purpose
and a shared vision. One of our members I
think said it beautifully when he said how researchers in
50 or 100 years understand us and our culture and
times without having access to the web of today.
As you all know, the web has been incredibly
influential in our so that common purpose is preserving,
making it accessible now in the future. So um
our collaborations are so successful wine and I asked this
that some of our family members and other members and
why is it that we can work together so well
? And was surprising in addition to that idea,
you know, purpose shared purpose was, we're nice
to each other which I thought was quite an interesting
response. but one person said, you know,
we come from many different cultures and languages were represented
around the world. And that important premise from the
very beginning is that would be nice to each other
and recognize that we have differences and that will help
us work together. And I think it is partly
why been successful for Just to give you a few
basic facts. The PC started in 2003 with about
10 national library and the imminent on 2013, our
10th anniversary. We spent, not just this year
at our General Assembly reflecting on what we've done in
the past decade and then planning for the coming decade
, we now have about 46 members. That changes
National Libraries and Archives. These are institutional members.
We don't. Did you? Yes. National Archives
Libraries, University profits service providers. Our main event
is our General assembly that we hold every year.
And just to give you an idea of our structure
. We are very, very light organizations. We
have an elected steering committee. Are, was the
leftist steering committee. The steering committee elects a chair
for the year and then we hire and supervise the
steering committee. Does program communications officer person this year
. They're hosting at the british area that previously been
housed member organizations. And we have a trip.
That's our interesting. We do have working groups that
form. Yes, our general assemblies are generally about
five days long. We have two days that are
open to anyone and the other days are reserved for
our universe. During that time we organized they were
yes, planning and we let members engage with each
other, common interest. Many of our open day
as can be seen right now on our website.
This coming 2014 event were playing on proceedings of our
, as you can see here, we're paris Next
med. Our general single. Our theme is building
modern research corpora, the evolution of web archiving and
analytics. And there is a proposal out right now
asking for papers for that open day. So I
hope if you're interested you'll go The data is really
quickly though, is december 1st, would love to
paper submitted from this world. Um this this graph
, a chart shows just briefly our growth I think
through the years and how our focus has grown in
the 1st 1st few years were much more technically oriented
Tulley building. It was a smaller group. We
had develop the heritage crawler and the way that Yeah
, which are standard tools that many of us use
now. We also were involved heavily involved in the
development of the work standard that follow. It's an
ISO standard. In our second phase we increase our
membership, we built community and started our general assemblies
and involved a different group. Then technically focused,
we began to involve curator's as well and managers.
And then as we moved into the final phase,
we began focusing more on collections in collection bill.
We also focused on educational opportunities and research, including
researchers and research institute as we moved into those,
just some examples of very small examples of recruiting examples
of the way that development real actresses started this past
year. Everyone in the community felt like it was
time about this and it's moving forward. Our members
are supplying, understand. We also want heritage caller
and other resources from our website, consultative help with
managing. Yes, this gives a sort of a
wrath of our correct membership. Received very well represented
in the northern hemisphere. Show of the way.
Yeah, we do have one member of Egypt.
The other thing there we have none in South America
. We're working on trying to grab those communities as
well those areas of the world. You're concerned that
the web is there a is may not preserved.
Don't begin to get some those areas our educational efforts
. We do tutorials and presentations at a variety of
kinds of conference. We also sponsor doctoral student and
web archiving. That student has the opportunity then to
work at member sites hands on during their their education
years. We do staffing, change exchanges, that's
wheat months time. And some of our members who
have actually been involved in that. I said that
it's really often a career changing our face to face
opportunities. We find intensive seminars and that's what there's
yes collaborative collection building. Um This is something that's
really born from the grassroots of the organization. A
curator at a member institution since an email out to
our mailing list, it says this is a topic
that I would really like to see a collection built
and then everyone that wants to participate. Volunteers.
We have a nomination tool community uses that was developed
and is hosted at the university texas and we could
quickly set up a project and then people from around
the world can contribute C. U R L.
S that sure as we work together. We also
here's some examples around topics that work. We also
do this sometimes in countries send us ones as well
. So here's an example of one that was polls
by the National Library of the Champion Public. Yeah
. Phone calls have with some really fun side to
go and see. As you can see Republic short
trousers. Yeah. The press that he got into
a running kind of back and forth joke about it
. So on the anniversary of his death, this
site was asking that everyone roll up their trousers in
the remembrance and celebration of him. Mm. Yes
, exactly. Yeah. Some of it was more
important than that. The obituaries that appeared at him
around the world were remarks. Yeah, different focused
as they appeared. Yes. And other places.
Yeah. The U. S. Collaboration what he
wants in the U. S. Has been are
in the term around the U. S. President
in terms 2008 The Us National Archives made the announcement
that would not be capturing at the end of the
Bush administration. Our members us got together said we're
Do this and we get it again in 2012.
Better in 2012 we got yeah. Members and students
at university classes to nominate CQ or elsewhere that we're
trying enlightening. They helped us nominate a lot of
social media that us government websites now use facebook.
It's quicker. All kinds of things that they're setting
up. It's not just anymore. Um This is
our website, there's a lot more information about it
. Enlightenment comment visit. We're always looking for new
members who share our basic this championship. You can't
nation mary pet is our current program and communications officer
. As I said at the british Library. Now
, this is also thank you very much. Next
. We're going to go to and scare of the
jacoby against. Yes, He started that. I
know. Mhm. Mhm. Partner. Your quick
Williams. All right. So as most of you
probably know right now on Catherine Skinner from the uh
education Institute and the executive director of what is a
very small by the one C three organization with very
specific yeah. And that purpose really is about the
mind. So The founding of copia happened in 2006
and it was founded because there were a group of
at that time southeastern institutions that were working together research
libraries that we're working together and working together very closely
with amazing collaborations going on on several. Yes.
Um We also had a couple of international things happening
that there were there were multiple fronts under which we
were doing collaborations that were too rich to take.
And we all knew as we talked about that kind
of magic that was happening in several of these projects
, that magic is temperamental and it's subject to change
at the had if you don't take measures to.
And we decided that particularly for some of the more
mature programs that we were working on, we needed
something that could bridge are pure institutions into a true
network that had a neutral center so that we were
not relying on one of our member institutions to take
more of the administrative leave or administrative leave or more
of the control or have to take in money on
behalf of the other institutions are doing. And the
other things that are ball when you're working in a
community of players who all want to have equal footing
, voiced equal investment. So edgy copia was our
lightweight solution now for those of you who have ever
tried Found at 501 Z that's not like, yeah
. Um, it is a very, very taxing
process and we were very blessed that martin Albert,
who was the lead of many of those projects in
a grant funds Space was willing to take the initiative
to found the final 1 C3 and go through the
pain of doing so in order to give us the
space from which operates. So I've been charged with
building and I stick very closely to the principles that
guided it's found, I'm not meant to be anything
bulking and then to be very lightweight and my staff
is meant to be very lightweight. We form a
core that can help to bind other groups together,
but that itself should be able to be reduced from
the picture at about causing any damage to the programs
that us. So with that in mind and it's
kind of a seat uh, thing to try to
fulfill with that in mind. That archive cooperative is
the first program that was placed under EDUC as it
was brought up. There was the main inspiration for
founding, but archives, as many notes as you
are, just digital preservation practitioners, is one of
the first digital preservation solutions. I am one of
the only community owned and truly, there a lot
of things that call themselves community based. It is
a truly community based endeavor. It is owned and
controlled entirely by its member organizations And there's memory organizations
include about 60 members at this point, international angle
represented on three continents. Um, and it is
a wonderful community, very invested players that has server
of the structure. How's the local knowledge, including
the administrators who govern those servers that allow us all
to maintain a degree of neutrality from each other at
the same time as we are highly interdependent to get
back to political events. Yes, you can uh
we do entirely depend on one another, but we
also depend on the principles that locks has embodied so
many thanks to the stanford locks program which provides the
framework upon which we built our own uh net and
it basically makes it possible for a group of institutions
to enter into a strong trust relationship with one another
, recognizing that one of the things that they gain
by leaning on each other is geographical distribution on one
hand, but also making sure that there is no
one central point of failure, including which is probably
the top type of failure that we're all going to
experience as Yeah, the space. So with the
archive as a model, what Fujiko pia was positioned
to do and what I think has done successfully so
far, hopefully will be continuing to do so for
a long. Um, is we set up a
cloud infrastructure that allows us to neutrally again, without
me having a huge office with servers and things that
everybody has to pay for jointly. Um Instead Matt
Schultz who is here and has helped organized and Matt
Shultz serves as the program manager grab. We work
with all of our member institutions to form the actual
network, the physical not and the central components of
it, which you do have to have government are
all kept in this meeting the space so that if
tomorrow he needed to go away for any reason I
can hand it to end in my numbers, I
can hand it to the university of texas, I
can he had a daughter university um I can hand
it to the consultancy here in Barcelona. I can
hand it to anybody who is part of our network
and it can safely, so that kind of principle
guides, not just uh archive also a number of
programs that are growing out of this space, partially
because evidently I get bored in needs to do.
Um really I don't get bored and I really don't
need new things to do. I think I've learned
that I have a problem saying um, the library
Publishing Coalition, which touches in the area of visual
reservation and then we'll come closer to reality. Coming
years is a relatively new program that we brought up
. The same core principle guides what we're doing there
. We are lightweight facilitators. I have one staff
member who serves as the core program manager. Her
name is Sarah listen, cottage cheese bread blessed with
brightness. Uh, and she serves as the main
glue that binds 60 institutions seem to like 16 institutions
who all came together to seed fund an initiative to
found, well not found coalition, but had said
to study whether or not we needed to found a
coalition to better understand what we mean by the term
library publishing, which is increasingly being used by our
university libraries and also to hopefully refine what we mean
by that. So that's another one of my programs
at this point. I also do a lot of
consulting, that's how I pay for myself. So
if anyone needs consultant please come to me. I
consult with a lot of groups. Matt also does
a little bit consulting on the digital preservation side.
I also conduct a number of research projects were generously
funded by the H by the I. M.
L. S. Uh, and by the Library
of Congress. They were popular agreement and I also
have advance as evidenced by this event today, which
is not mine in creation. Um, but I
have provided the administrative support to make sure that it
all comes together at least adequately to support all of
us here for this conversation, educate these board is
also lightweight and it's also as diverse as we could
make it as we were founding it. This will
likely diversify over the next couple of years because we
need some different voices at the table and I'll talk
just a moment. The current board is comprised of
martin Albert, who is the president, who also
forces one of course coordinators of committee for two and
for enough, David Seaman is our vice president from
Dartmouth University. Title Walters is our treasurer and he's
at Virginia Tech. Of course, Rachel Bowser is
at University of Wisconsin. She services are secretary and
Greg Crane, You many of you know, from
the Perseus project at Tufts University is our number at
large. Um and that group of five people have
worked together to shepherd us through the 1st 6.5,
7 years of our work together. And one of
the things that I've loved about this group is that
it represents a number of different perspectives in and of
itself, it represents certainly the library perspective, That's
an easy one. The academic elaborate respect also brings
with it a focus on data. Tyler especially has
been paying more and more attention on the down side
of things. It brings us community colleges, Rachel
Bowser is best known for her work on the scalp
, which you should check out if you have never
heard of it. It's another powerful collaborative model um
that serves mainly the community college environment, but it's
a very important environment. It's a good thing that
she's paid attention. And then Great Crane represents one
of the pioneers of digital humanities and change. Um
and so that has been a good core group to
study academically focused projects. But again, uh only
I like big things because my interests are taking more
across sector now. I'm really interested in where the
nexus points are between our field and other fields and
I'm not alone, and that's thank goodness. Um
, but I'm increasingly interested in the voices that I'm
hearing less of and I'm increasingly studying that, and
hopefully as we continue to do more work in the
future, also called not some of the voices that
are governing the board of that, I should point
out that the board of a Jacoby a does not
control programs. So there's a steering committee comprised of
my member institutions for the metal artifact, cooper,
David Drummond, not. Uh, and likewise,
in the library publishing coalition, which right now is
100 project that doesn't actually launches coalition until 2015.
Uh, but when it does launch it too will
have its own infrastructure that it is dependent on its
members because that's right, bullshit because it so I
mislabeled the slide and I was so embarrassed that I
did that it's not the nexus project, that's my
newest project, which obviously is on my mind right
now because I'm behind on a deadline for it.
Um, what they should say is the iconic project
, which is the identifying continuing opportunities for collaboration uh
, project that the Library of Congress funded me to
do a fundamental appropriate to do for them. And
of course the last year we were charged to do
two things in this project. One of those things
was to go and study what the uh, what
the s a National Digital stewardship Association has done.
National stewardship Alliance has done over the first three years
of its existence. As many of you know,
that's the Library of Congress based there. The secretary
for the organizations of mainly US focused national group that
is studying digital restoration issues. And I was asked
to look at their first three years, identify gaps
and opportunities and think about the collaborative models that are
. Yeah. And as part of that, what
they wanted me to do was research to see what
kinds of things are happening at the state level across
the United States. So this is very much of
us focused. Um, but what we have done
and of course this project is we've chronicled 211 unique
activities that are taking place in 1856 organizations or organizational
structures, mostly again us based and we've produced a
data set. That is a truly remarkable thing that
I can't take credit for Christina Drummond, who is
my lead researcher and who is also from U.
N. T. Where there is a fount of
talent. I had her as a contractor on this
on this project. She's done a beautiful job putting
together a relational database in Excel. Which is a
little bit of trick. We use a lot of
pivot table, it's not quite a relational database but
it's as close as we can get what is in
that, you know, at this point the pilot
project and I would love to show one little bit
if there's any way Tyler that we can click on
that highlighted and make it live and if we can
fabulous if we can itself I didn't make it a
live link which was my mistake. If we can
copy and paste a what we're doing is we're mapping
that data at this point. So we were talking
uh in some sessions in the action sessions about ways
that it would be wonderful to be able to actually
map out and see some of the activities that are
happening. We can only see that in a limited
view in the U. S. Perspective, I'll
describe it, this will be coming soon. Um
but what is powerful I um what what is powerful
about the matter is that it's a cross sector map
. So it shows the academic activity around collaborative digital
reservation. It also shows other sectors like the government
sector and the museum sector and different groups that are
players in this broader. So those findings will be
up very very soon. If any moment, like
the link, come see me or email me in
the background and I'll share it with you. This
is still in early stages of pilot projects will be
rolling out at CNN. So it's an example of
some of the work that we're trying to jail and
some of the documentation that I think we need as
a field in order to understand where we are today
so that we know where we can build next.
So hopefully this map will help us see some of
the activities of some of the opportunities that we have
before us. Yeah, absolutely. Our point speaker
is your opinion with the Austrian Institute of Technology is
when give us a quick brief on the scape.
Yes, this is okay. One side thought we
wow. So yeah. Yes my name is um
and I think the only one on the panel doesn't
have a single focus or the others kindly agreed to
let me shift focus, which means that right.
So I am a freelance bank Manager under state Project
for AI No, you just walk about each one
of us because they're all eggs project oriented organization fall
short term and what we do actually right. Project
which is Ethiopia this beyond. So also back worries
about my idea why we have the american what through
the course, But I think I Mhm. So
I've been in in the digital library business for that
years now starting with mhm called researchers 12 um started
with the digitization. Mhm Central and state Life burning
and move on library. No, the ultra national
Library where I focused more on then moved on.
Mhm access. I wrote one of the first two
projects for european, european then moved to a as
a full employee to actually leave the technical work package
in european hands. Uh then local questions for a
start and since Yeah, Memorial is focused on uh
the skating project. Yeah. And last year last
three nights. So it is funding for you company
, state owned and yes, out of sight.
This is we saw Yeah. And they have fighting
very different big departments, you know, security,
safety and security that used to be called Digital Memory
Engineering which made unless yes, all in your head
, which sounds strange. We're now called next generation
contact management systems. Uh, we are a group
in the really athletes three years and led by mentioned
you right. You know, and we do right
things. Yeah, I believe. And so the
state party, my only flight is a now 44
months long project instance. It's really big. We
have 20 from these rooms. Yeah, Cool.
Um, and what I'm wonder what is that?
About half of has he always quickly have had nothing
to do with? Is that before? Yeah.
Flying through the rest for example. Yeah. University
. Yeah. Is one no. Okay. Things
means we have a lot of diverse, which makes
well as for the project. Really interesting. Okay
. Talk across the border. And so I was
important. We have we're we have a number of
the project which units in themselves but there is a
lot of Okay, this is where my slide.
We have four chest pants, web content, large
scale repositories. Maybe that lives in that We have
research data sets. So the S. P.
F. C. Yes, aerial photo like yesterday
there. And since this september when you can't let
represent data. Uh huh. And those four adjustments
basically. Uh well we call them stories. They
give us stories and the preservation problems they face and
those feeding. It's a question done. Yeah.
Which is what you would expect if you know the
last diagram and that had Yeah, make him watch
. So we have, I'm finding just that was
new faith that what it is lets you watch the
web for certain times. Right. Okay. And
then you can ask the questions. What's really nice
about that is you can also ask questions what color
you have on your association. All right, feeding
the right sources guys. Very nice. So then
we have a policy reference. The idea is that
we take is its policies, we break them down
to a level where you can actually feed them into
if you're interested and Barbara ratings and then we also
have ultimate, um, Maybe. Well you've probably
heard of little. We now have straight four.
Um, I am. Yes. So that's,
that's 101. Yeah. To the preservation components,
which is what you expect this characterization action service.
Okay. What here is what we do in products
and insurance is we what we've done something. If
we look at the data, I make sure that
follow what we expect. Right. Long ways control
and those two languages, what we call the platform
. We try to avoid the work cloud there.
It's our main one is the Duke based. We
also Microsoft research in America. Mhm. You're you're
trying to combine these approaches? Ah We also,
we always say Microsoft company but they always tell us
nowhere research institute and I'm part of plaques of platform
is twice what positive that the problem great having right
both reservation components and that time there are very nice
because we interact with with organizations outside. So three
We are using is Fedora based and a lot of
things that we do go into Dora. So they
live on after the project. I the preservation components
. What they do is they first what they did
but we're on what they did was first went out
looked whether other people have done what we wanted already
, whether we could advance that instead of creating you
, creating new. But the idea was always uh
Yeah. Ah So if all of that runs inescapable
way preferably on the we then send it back to
Chester's who are on the one side. Magic evaluate
that's important country. But we also have currently in
the process of station sites, they're fine. And
europe where you can actually go and have people show
you I'm what we've well with the things that so
my last point is the O. P. F
. So obviously that's just for always some project,
the cross project sub projects. And we have the
thing that nation part where we have proper dissemination training
room and then we went, we have we have
what we call sustainability, uh both training and sustainability
Ethiopia's historically responsible for. And the nice thing about
it is that we do in practice especially around software
and we don't just do for project, we do
it in a way that okay, use it Set
up a whole chain of two. Everything I think
that it's open source goes on to Ethiopia, we'd
have account then we have automatic building respect, we
all all of that process good for the project will
sustain okay, any signal is developed from Europeans afterwards
and anything that you afterwards go through that process,
for instance, that I'm really happy about doesn't have
to die after the project is over. All right
, Thank you. Yoko. Mhm. So that's
some backgrounds on our organizations and projects in the next
few questions for our analysts and the underlying presumption by
all these questions are notions of alignment between these organizations
and what would it take for some of these organizations
to align? He's obviously the er institutions organizations and
projects represented here, who are the lining and collaborating
over minister even bigger picture as these kinds of multi
institutional organizations kind line. So we're going to have
ask questions and these are mentioned as conversation starters up
here, we definitely want all of you to join
in. So I'm going to try to keep one
eye on the room, raise your hand if you'd
like to join it and after a while if you
don't, we're going to pause and look at all
of you and we're going to make sure you do
participate. So so far this conference, we've not
had a problem with heavy conversation so hopefully this will
continue. So with our first question I just really
have oftentimes alignment and collaboration does not unless they are
determined to be economically advantageous to do so. Please
describe some of the economic elements you foresee needing to
be in place for your organization to work with organizations
. Sorry. Right. First. So I have
kind of an interesting problem in terms of economics of
a global data grid ability to create that is that
this has to be market driven, important. Why
? And so, for example, with the Internet
engineering task force, the Internet variety of major,
like Cisco and juniper and others participated. Because their
business model depends the network infrastructure that emerges from the
the standards that I the same thing is going to
be true with respect to the idea global data grid
. The data storage providers, the software preservation systems
. All right. So on the network services providers
, their business models depend on practices and standards that
emerge. If they view the work of the idea
is contributing to creating competitive, open global markets.
They can participate, their business interests, drive them
to contribute to and participate in the Arda if they
see them as violating their business model, they'll strongly
yes for those of us who are in the data
, commercial vendors and developers will not develop the systems
that support the processes that we're trying to drive.
How then we can't be successful. So the bottom
line here is that commercial vendors have to be at
participants in the work of the research state alliance and
they have to be driven by an economic model versus
the whole agreed in which those the department with the
end of this year, I think different one of
I remember organism our that is violent resources steve and
it has to be has there models? It has
to fit mission is what their purpose is. And
I think most of our members there are are interested
in for profit and that communities that mostly it's where
cultural member memory institutions, but it has to fit
an admission person. National Life said so. I
think that the fact that we are very light organs
or self was not resources. It's awful person.
Yeah. Well, in kind of a further highlight
mhm. Maybe one of the greatest liabilities that the
are these two needs to and quickly if it's going
u five large in the next generation is its aversion
to business models and to economics as a driving factor
. Not in terms of limits. Yes, enough
money in terms of actually following their own business themselves
to have. I don't it is an uncomfortable place
to be then. So is collaboration for our research
institutions and parent just going to talk libraries and some
changes that I can work even just over the last
years. The last scene is in life. Sure
. As I grim closer to that myself, the
at the base it's the academic market likes to.
We are all in hierarchical arrangements and making factors are
not economics. The mitigating factors, our reputation,
our publications of the scholars to the library stuff.
Um, they're they're very different motivating factors than what
motivates most economically viable businesses. Um, most businesses
go out of business. This is that our academic
institutions have. So, and this is part of
the reason why the having has been in part of
public good. It's been funded by the states have
been funded by nations. All right. Um,
this is not something that could have existed without taxpayer
dollars and were increasingly in a moment where economic viability
of our institutions relies on us breaking our orders,
where we used to like to compete much more than
we like to collaborate. We're starting to collaborate more
and more and more and more natural. And I
think part of the reason is because we're feeling that
punch and it has motivated us to break out of
some of that end of us. I would argue
that we aren't going far enough fast enough and that
economic viability on the one hand, as as the
question suggests, alignment collaboration demands some level of economic
backing in order to make them happen. I would
argue that either we collaborate and find new economic models
in our collaborations with each other and find ways of
showing our value to audiences or else we're going to
have a whole lot of others selling us the services
but selling ourselves. So I think it's the economic
viability of our various his own collaborate the zone you
and which stuff we are saying on Yes, what
they call this everything, you know? Yeah.
And we Get 30 funding from project. 30%.
Funding from Commission Work. I don't even Only when
we get 40%. And with that 40 we can
basically follow up things that we've done is that we
don't have a project for you and collaborate. Uh
I don't think we also have something called over.
I wish you guess what it is about. He's
about 40%. And sometimes parts of the company,
they're not very good at getting projects at certain times
. Whereas other parts do is always a question of
where you go, was it? But it does
let us get into standards body. Yes. Member
of the old I think the general idea is a
good one. Mhm. Work out twice. But
yes, waves of go back. Yeah. Some
things money. The United States. I was still
open to love. I would love to hear your
thoughts about where you think this conference should go.
In terms of do we need to form working groups
? Is this group at the point where it could
form working groups to do some. We put up
the sign up sheet at the front. What Bruce
Based on your experience resounding? Yes. So for
example, and so anticipated Some of the C four
projects. Yeah. Whole business of trying to come
to the remote and then you have Yeah. Models
that distributed digital preservation in the life. Where is
a model? Seems extremely well working there. So
I heard wide variety of things here. That would
make sense in terms of working groups that would contribute
to the global money of the door. While the
research state alliances focused initially on research, right.
Dream Infrastructure that moves digital objects from one No to
another. Can be applied to any digital logic,
whether it's text, video and audio or numbers and
symbols, All of those things. Suicide ecology,
the technique disaster. No, I think that all
of those things are actually something called the work would
be with extremely well under the frank mom have to
see it. Working groups form trusted members and this
interest from the folks that are here obviously. Mhm
. For our working groups has to be an interest
that follow through on someone. I think yesterday said
in the session. Okay, we're here. This
is a great idea home and it sort of begins
to diminish in that way. So it needs to
march with the mission of your university or urine.
There have to sustain has to be a true the
strong interest for it. Word. Mhm Yeah.
Nominated Congressman, Congressman. But I want another one
said. The reason we formed the idea is we
got tired going to conferences and agreement. We needed
to act going on too. And so enough of
that working groups form, they have a test Deliverable
in 12 months and we made progress. And part
of it is that we agreed we're Yeah. Agreement
that happens at the beginning. Not at the And
so it must be adoptable. So don't go home
from this conference and do nothing. Go home from
this conference and do the work place china and say
I I to agree. I think there are already
are working groups. What we don't have is Mhm
. And part of the reason for that is because
so far this has been a very experimental stages.
So, the 2011 event purpose of that as to
measure interest. Is there enough interest at this point
in aligning our activities across town? Grace, can
we be comfortable coming together across the national library community
, the research library community, and perhaps a couple
of other sectors to talk about ways to do that
. And we bounded that conversation. So, and
the conversation. You don't want it. You'll do
the 47, you know, moses delivered the 47
commandments of what we need to go off and do
. Which came out about all of you participated,
invented those 47 pathways, and Not all of this
. 47 pathways are any given time. Um but
that action sessions highlight some of those that didn't get
traction. So the GDP Frameworks piece that Mad and
L have been working on a lot of that was
inspired by made possible by what's happening here in this
community. I think the same street for cultural never
steal the uh would never try to label it and
adapt without paul, choosing that label himself. But
recognize that paul has chosen not label, which means
that that label starting to carry some weight. I'll
also say that uh one of the most promising things
that I've seen between these two amendments is that Callie
stepped forward and hosted workshops without any he needed nothing
except the ability to do so. He was already
trapped patients. And he helped to organize uh two
workshops to help broaden the conversation to additional voices that
could not join us in europe. Um and also
to test the waters for broader collaboration. So I
think there are already some work increases and activities that
are this. And the question that we need to
answer now is where is the authority to decide where
it goes next? And where is the the equity
or the work where the workforce is? Because we
will need some of those workforces? And I think
as long as we tap into things that people already
want to do like mad and l like all of
the initiatives that have joined that like Yeah, the
work that was done this is the way that I
think those working groups are going first and then maybe
it will Perform 10 This week. Really interesting audience
and I'm really glad. Yes. Um where do
you want to see this guy? It's part of
the conversation today, so yes, it's difficult much
to that, but I think I yeah, you
were talking. I wouldn't do it. Yeah,
select already exist. All right. one of the
things that always getting always too many points. This
understand communities all that big. We add another access
point. Yes. So closer we can move.
They are identified. Take the roots the best,
reassuring quickly to the economic model, encounter resources and
tools on there wouldn't be great. I have wanted
to start up companies emerged from was to life All
right. But if there were annual session with measure
capitalist, the tools that are emerging and it was
inside. Sure bottom line is you have the authority
. Uh huh. Your work. If you want
work on one of these things, you should do
our next question in order to survive and continue offering
services in a world that increasingly devalues the public good
. We may need to align our organization's resources and
activities. 1st. Is the devaluing of the public
good globally signal problem. If so, then what
implications does this have for organizations were both within and
beyond their national boundaries. First, I was stunned
when I saw question because Yeah, I Thanks purchasing
. And that's right. Have a historical controversy conversation
. Yeah. Okay. They have to be stopped
, but I think Mhm. Problem I thought of
first with still attach value to what we've done price
. Yeah. Mhm. And come on before the
conference. The question start ourselves. Perhaps how anytime
I talk to anyone, Okay, who has no
idea about what we're actually doing? They all seem
it's on the internet is not going to go away
. And I find that I really in that to
be easier for me to explain why motor car runs
then why we're doing what we're doing. And in
some believe that we've that is set of is that
wants to bring to the economic sense. So we
have a project where we're trying to get out,
go ask sort into and right content systems. How
do always very nicely. We had the first round
um and then the company said so, uh you
know, instead of telling me how much that would
cost, tell me how much I say save and
we this is decisions. We don't know we we
really don't know second round that. And the police
told their clients go premium of yourself Saving for 10
years. The men's world away safely instead of born
. Yeah. And sometimes scanned and then we printed
which to me sounds like a really bad waste in
that surrounding there's legal problems. Breathe with himself.
Mhm. This the value of its princess or narrative
. Still we have mm please problem. I can't
miss holy think in the US are funding agencies especially
mm agencies. Okay call it good see increase in
the amount of fun institutions like the national now the
entities that we have and others have less dollars.
Yeah. Okay earlier too dollars. So we're not
seeing that kind of public support. I'm sorry if
that equates in any way. Yeah. Mhm.
Give lip service to it. But we need little
too also support behind that. Just we are seeing
that however with our We do see other kinds of
public support. Yeah. That some of our countries
are getting your deposit rights too content. I still
don't have it in the US age is fairly recent
. Got rights legal. Yes. Yeah. Presence
. And so do you see those kinds of changes
? Sure, Recognizing that the six funding behind it
is still Yes. She's story. Right. And
that's the most rest. But one of the things
that I will mark that is very our libraries lives
and our organizations on hold on all this is that
we don't employ some of the same mechanisms that other
industries deployed with great regularity. Where are lobbyists.
I'm not going to come to our a and let's
prepare some to our aid. And the only way
that we can afford to do that is it group
of libraries, a group of memory organizations come together
and say we're being devalued and there are ways that
we can correct us. So one of the things
, The number back. I've shared this several times
. And of course this conference is it is it
was a moment for me that was striking and I'm
here 10 years later and himself hasn't one of the
earliest ended meetings that I was privileged to attend.
Thanks to people allowing me to their places. We
were above me at the time. I didn't understand
the conversation even fully as I walked, but with
my novice eyes, the first question that I asked
was, well, what are we spending on market
? And I was looked at with blank stares by
everybody in the room. A couple of people.
There was a little bit of life, but I
asked the same question again today, where is the
marketing? I don't have any money to throw at
it. Atacocha operates on a shoestring. That's what
I'm good at. I'm not good at making lots
of money or directing lots of funds in places.
But I can say if there's any huge mistakes,
but I think the research libraries are making right now
and probably other libraries as well is that they have
not taken that move of look together, even professional
association or through some other neutral space to figure out
a way to deploy some that are marketing and some
better lobbying on there. So that might be one
way to correct against what is, I think a
very quick, uh, eroding fabric. Okay.
From the government perspective. Uh huh. It's not
a development. There is an expectation that the impact
mm Good will increase. So every year were paid
less funds greater straight impact definition public criticism which is
not consumed by its use. And so where were
we efforts at public goods? We ought to be
able to demonstrate an increase in impact every single year
. And so that's driving agency investments. And so
the ability to use data in a wide variety.
We're seeing the emergence of a robust data as a
service industry. Google is kind of the premier example
of that. There are many garage sandwich people use
data that's publicly available. Let's create a value added
service. Right? You the data that you are
making available is being used by that industry in many
ways. And so one of the important things that
we have to work down inside of ever and you
have to work your perspective as well as the ability
to to evaluate that. Use demonstrate data are used
in many different ways and create a real that's true
added services, tracking that and marketing. That impact
effectively is the only way you're going to be able
to attract increase stop you are simply very high.
What will happen with a public good? What it's
like just to say that one of one of the
things that first made an impact on me may now
be able to be impact on the public, which
is that I knew that without my affiliation to the
institution that was giving me my PhD or you know
, whatever uh institution without going on a 10 year
track or staying in a library. One of the
things that I gave up was access to the solid
record as the results of public research become more public
and those things like Pop Med continue to grow and
his policy dictates that that has to happen. We're
going to see a moment where we can capitalize on
that and remind folks that that doesn't happen for free
and that the libraries that are dr some of that
work and that should be helping. Yes. Right
. Um, are doing them service that if we
did allow corporate entities to do, we've already seen
that corporate entities are going to lock it up and
they're going to charge for it. So we want
asset. Okay. And there's, there's a compelling
case that can be made somewhere there if you can
figure out how to spend it and how to make
it into a something. Yes. One thing that
a couple of people here said is, is important
. Yes. Marketing are, what we do is
really for tonight. However many of us who work
in public are expressly for to market ourselves and that's
when we are completely dependent on our users for making
the case for us and they make the best case
for us. It's about just mentioned that how can
we mobilize our users without appearing to mobilize our users
? Which also gets us in trouble? So you
know how, I don't know how we and that
today. Thanks. It's vinyl to our user base
and they are the ones telling the fund this is
vital. We absolutely have to have this. Well
, imagine that is contrary. Well, I don't
know right there are there they are. We also
need to correct pharmaceutical. No, love wow.
This is another area where careful. Uh huh.
Where there are needs to align. I familiar with
the work is the american Library Association washing scared marketing
and lobbying. Making impact. Yeah. This is
my son. Yeah. Making sure that more.
Is that maybe don't even have a library in that
words. Are you? It's again this issue of
bring me another organism, you know, something Where
do we work? Some areas that exist? Certainly
that those folks are very wow on the issue really
. There are couple of issues argue that it seems
so. Why? But I think too, if
we are part of any more that is in one
way or using an external fun operational things, I
think we are participating. Yeah. Problem. External
funding in my should be used to fund the things
that I'm not always doing. Fact is that other
people are over should be used as short term way
to this floor, investigate those. It's up to
us with good are Yes. Two over time.
Use our resources. Address priority is automatically. Thanks
some what? Yeah, lower too. Prioritize things
that are the way the initiation of my money's but
the carrying that's part of spot and many of your
institutions have been around for decades. Some for centuries
rely on Graham for for sustainability over grants are an
opportunity claim here. Yes, expect things no infrastructure
, very different kind of channel inside of for infrastructure
sustainable. And that's I think a little that's where
this community this sort of some fashion, just a
little bit of time line. So I'd like to
move to a real concrete question. So how can
organizations such as yours here represent, collaborate on things
like creating new technology or standards and do any of
you have any specific example the suggestion. Mhm.
The Research Data Alliance is his essence an organization of
the collaborative doesn't exist except for collaboration. That's the
essence it's model one of the examples that has just
emerged in the last few weeks or so. It's
around big data at my institute, the National Institute
of Standards and Technology in the U. S.
Establish public working group. The global working for participate
in this. It's only it's a virtual group doesn't
mean in prison. It's developing technology reference architecture for
big data environments so that we can help in specifying
standards for the interactions between our elements in a digital
environment allowing you to it can choose the pieces that
you used for assembly or keep that environment. I'm
over getting a lot of participation from the commercial sector
but it turns out that there's an awful lot of
academic and the preservation sector in victor that needs that
we need to contribute to that. And so we've
set up an alliance between a working group and Arda
focused dictated more preservation context with the big data working
group in a commercial context to make sure that emerges
from our industry focused effort is actually usable by the
community and meets their needs. There is an example
where we're able to join sector was a recent state
of alliance that exists. FBCB Yes, realization that
Right. So that's are true size. My.
Mhm. Recently we've been discussing how we might have
worked other organizations an interest organizations that and discussing is
very soon yeah, strong interest obviously in the way
as well they have an accessible yeah may be able
to connect to making the way more accessible. May
also for us to catch and right now have sort
of a while. Yes, that makes it very
difficult for us as as organizations dozens introducing ban play
it back for you. Right. Think that we're
definitely Yeah. You know how. Right, pardon
here? Yes it is how books and plays.
Yes. The best examples of because they crossed the
sector. So one of the things that I think
, what do you such as mine and such as
this with this that are represented in this room.
We're very comfortable with growing very comfortable moving out of
the other far enough that we can actually collaborate.
Um Sometimes reason. Mhm. That's where we're still
very wary is with business interests and Bruce that try
our own sector and we do so for good reason
. Yeah, it is awesome. But exploring those
places where we can form alliances lightly bonds between groups
that are not like us, but that share a
lot of characteristics with us in the information landscape,
I think we'll do the best in the long run
. So yes, he knows I would love to
see my what again? So escape. And a
big open. Always someone wrote best practices, quite
standards, spring description of what which turned out to
be okay. Mhm best practices here. That's the
first and so first things first. The nice thing
was that we, the people that were involved,
we looked across them all other projects had probably the
same person in that he writes the best practices and
so we didn't became and in the end, whatever
comes what mm going to go to the opening,
which is I think a good place to both.
Perhaps best friend. Um I'm hoping we wish it
is today. The other project what they in?
Well, no, what? We're not at standards
, but it's for me it was really interesting,
understand Yes. Years ago and we're talking about standards
. Nice first find out practices. Okay, right
. And back trail is a very good one actually
. And because down on projects, I think that's
actually something that project you don't need a long time
actually. Just first steps. Yes. Right.
Mhm. Yeah. As we have just a minute
or so left, turn over to the audience.
Any comments, questions before we close. Okay.
Everybody's ready for lunch. The assumption. All right
. Thank you very much. We hope this panel's
been helpful to you. Yeah.