WEBVTT 1 00:00:18.539 --> 00:00:23.649 A:middle L:90% Morning everybody. Mhm. Morning, thanks. Thanks 2 00:00:23.649 --> 00:00:27.300 A:middle L:90% for coming. We uh a little bit difficulty with 3 00:00:27.300 --> 00:00:28.620 A:middle L:90% some of the new microphones, but I think we 4 00:00:28.620 --> 00:00:30.539 A:middle L:90% got them working. I'm gonna try 5 00:00:30.539 --> 00:00:32.600 A:middle L:90% hard not to trip over this cord. Our table 6 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:36.590 A:middle L:90% apparently needs to be rebooted. Um but and no 7 00:00:36.590 --> 00:00:39.850 A:middle L:90% tables get rebooted, but thanks for coming. Um 8 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:45.740 A:middle L:90% That's data management a nutshell. And we wanted to 9 00:00:45.740 --> 00:00:48.390 A:middle L:90% talk a little bit this morning before we go straight 10 00:00:48.390 --> 00:00:50.439 A:middle L:90% into data management, wanted to talk a little bit 11 00:00:50.450 --> 00:00:56.350 A:middle L:90% about data management. Look for computers and what. 12 00:00:57.250 --> 00:01:03.000 A:middle L:90% Yeah, this is old fashioned data management. Not 13 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:04.120 A:middle L:90% done very well. It was a Supreme Court Records 14 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:08.969 A:middle L:90% Room and the Gambia. These are uh Supreme Court 15 00:01:08.969 --> 00:01:11.980 A:middle L:90% records that date all the way back to the 17th 16 00:01:11.980 --> 00:01:15.150 A:middle L:90% century and there was some civil unrest and this is 17 00:01:15.150 --> 00:01:19.829 A:middle L:90% the result. Um So before we start talking about 18 00:01:19.829 --> 00:01:23.260 A:middle L:90% digital data and data management, I want to emphasize 19 00:01:23.260 --> 00:01:26.530 A:middle L:90% that we know how to do analog and we think 20 00:01:26.530 --> 00:01:29.090 A:middle L:90% we know how to do digital, but we don't 21 00:01:29.090 --> 00:01:30.480 A:middle L:90% always get it right and it's when we don't get 22 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:33.859 A:middle L:90% it right, that the management really comes into play 23 00:01:33.870 --> 00:01:37.219 A:middle L:90% and can help us out. Um That's just another 24 00:01:37.219 --> 00:01:41.170 A:middle L:90% example. Yeah. This is here in our own 25 00:01:41.170 --> 00:01:42.700 A:middle L:90% country. Where was this again, Nathan University of 26 00:01:42.700 --> 00:01:48.049 A:middle L:90% Maryland Libraries after the earthquake? Yeah, two years 27 00:01:48.049 --> 00:01:49.159 A:middle L:90% ago you can google this and it gets worse. 28 00:01:49.170 --> 00:01:51.150 A:middle L:90% The more you look at it, the more your 29 00:01:51.150 --> 00:01:53.409 A:middle L:90% heart breaks. Um then where do you think? 30 00:01:53.409 --> 00:01:55.629 A:middle L:90% Oh man, this is this is not what we 31 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:59.480 A:middle L:90% hope to ever have to deal with. But if 32 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:01.980 A:middle L:90% we keep going along the disaster lane, I'll read 33 00:02:01.980 --> 00:02:06.030 A:middle L:90% you the quote here. Jackson Mississippi Estimated they would 34 00:02:06.030 --> 00:02:10.780 A:middle L:90% spend at least$2 million Hurricane Katrina. A systematic 35 00:02:10.780 --> 00:02:14.710 A:middle L:90% program of producing microfilm or some other form of backup 36 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:16.330 A:middle L:90% would have eliminated the need for such recovery and probably 37 00:02:16.330 --> 00:02:21.650 A:middle L:90% would have proved far less expensive. Which county was 38 00:02:21.650 --> 00:02:27.189 A:middle L:90% that? Jackson County? Yeah. Where was Katrina 39 00:02:27.189 --> 00:02:30.430 A:middle L:90% again? Katrina was helped me out new Orleans and 40 00:02:30.430 --> 00:02:34.360 A:middle L:90% a whole bunch of place. That's right person type 41 00:02:35.539 --> 00:02:37.060 A:middle L:90% . Yeah. All the way over in Mississippi. 42 00:02:38.539 --> 00:02:40.539 A:middle L:90% This is one county, not even, not even 43 00:02:40.539 --> 00:02:44.849 A:middle L:90% close to the center. The damage, It's gonna 44 00:02:44.849 --> 00:02:46.620 A:middle L:90% spend$2 million dollars backing up. It's just their 45 00:02:46.620 --> 00:02:51.099 A:middle L:90% court records, Other places got it worse, two 46 00:02:51.099 --> 00:02:53.400 A:middle L:90% lane and so forth. And it's not just county 47 00:02:53.409 --> 00:02:54.699 A:middle L:90% court records. I just print, you know, 48 00:02:54.699 --> 00:02:57.560 A:middle L:90% a lot of people keep their service in the basement 49 00:02:59.340 --> 00:03:01.069 A:middle L:90% . Yeah. And when we were looking for examples 50 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:04.060 A:middle L:90% of this chilling was one of the ways we looked 51 00:03:04.060 --> 00:03:06.770 A:middle L:90% at and it was, I think we just chose 52 00:03:06.770 --> 00:03:07.400 A:middle L:90% not to use those pictures that was so heartbreaking. 53 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:12.340 A:middle L:90% It was people in the Hazmat suits down in mold 54 00:03:12.419 --> 00:03:16.250 A:middle L:90% and uh so when people start saying well you know 55 00:03:16.250 --> 00:03:19.400 A:middle L:90% if you if you go digital and you've got the 56 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:23.750 A:middle L:90% data management problem. Yeah which is true. You 57 00:03:23.750 --> 00:03:29.650 A:middle L:90% do. Um I always like to go to example 58 00:03:29.650 --> 00:03:31.750 A:middle L:90% the library of alexandria burned. Mhm. And then 59 00:03:31.750 --> 00:03:35.840 A:middle L:90% when the second one around going digital we at least 60 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:40.479 A:middle L:90% have the advantage that um Yeah well least have the 61 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:45.219 A:middle L:90% advantage. The backups are a little easier but that's 62 00:03:45.219 --> 00:03:46.770 A:middle L:90% just one part of the sort of matrix that has 63 00:03:46.770 --> 00:03:51.080 A:middle L:90% to come together to do a good data management program 64 00:03:51.090 --> 00:03:53.000 A:middle L:90% . As an example of sort of hitting across all 65 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.129 A:middle L:90% of the different squares that have to be checked and 66 00:03:55.129 --> 00:03:58.860 A:middle L:90% the Matrix um I thought we'd play a little short 67 00:03:58.860 --> 00:04:00.560 A:middle L:90% examples about four or five minutes. Right. I 68 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:12.659 A:middle L:90% mean Hello my name is dr judy Benign. I'm 69 00:04:12.659 --> 00:04:14.800 A:middle L:90% an oncologist at N. Y. U. School 70 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:16.810 A:middle L:90% of Medicine. Hello dr judy Benign. I read 71 00:04:16.810 --> 00:04:19.860 A:middle L:90% your article on B cell function. I think that 72 00:04:19.860 --> 00:04:23.439 A:middle L:90% I could use the data for my work on pancreatic 73 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:27.240 A:middle L:90% cancer. I am not an oncologist. I know 74 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:29.199 A:middle L:90% but I think I could use the daily for my 75 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:31.709 A:middle L:90% work on pancreatic cancer. Do you have the data 76 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:34.100 A:middle L:90% ? Everything you need to know is in the article 77 00:04:34.110 --> 00:04:38.170 A:middle L:90% No. What I need is the data. Will 78 00:04:38.170 --> 00:04:41.329 A:middle L:90% you share your data? I am not sure that 79 00:04:41.329 --> 00:04:43.879 A:middle L:90% will be possible but your work is in pub met 80 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:46.199 A:middle L:90% central and was funded by NIH. That is true 81 00:04:46.209 --> 00:04:49.350 A:middle L:90% and it was published in science which requires that you 82 00:04:49.350 --> 00:04:53.319 A:middle L:90% share your data. I did publish in science then 83 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:56.970 A:middle L:90% I am requesting your data. Can I have a 84 00:04:56.970 --> 00:05:01.230 A:middle L:90% copy of your data? I am not sure where 85 00:05:01.230 --> 00:05:04.160 A:middle L:90% my data is but surely you saved your data. 86 00:05:04.170 --> 00:05:08.250 A:middle L:90% I did. I saved it on a USB drive 87 00:05:08.259 --> 00:05:10.050 A:middle L:90% . Where is the U. S. B drive 88 00:05:11.139 --> 00:05:15.019 A:middle L:90% ? It is in the box, it is in 89 00:05:15.019 --> 00:05:18.060 A:middle L:90% a box at home. I just moved but can 90 00:05:18.060 --> 00:05:21.449 A:middle L:90% I use your data? There are many boxes, 91 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:28.449 A:middle L:90% so many boxes I forgot to label the boxes. 92 00:05:35.939 --> 00:05:39.899 A:middle L:90% Hello again. Thank you for sending me a copy 93 00:05:39.899 --> 00:05:43.180 A:middle L:90% of your data on a USB drive. I received 94 00:05:43.180 --> 00:05:46.439 A:middle L:90% the envelope yesterday. You were welcome but I will 95 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:48.209 A:middle L:90% need that back when you were finished. That is 96 00:05:48.209 --> 00:05:51.709 A:middle L:90% my only copy. I did have a question. 97 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:56.000 A:middle L:90% What is your question? You might find the answer 98 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:59.500 A:middle L:90% in my article. No I received the data but 99 00:05:59.500 --> 00:06:01.230 A:middle L:90% when I opened it up it was in hexi decimal 100 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:04.350 A:middle L:90% . Yes, that is right. I cannot read 101 00:06:04.350 --> 00:06:08.300 A:middle L:90% exodus Imo you asked for my data and I gave 102 00:06:08.300 --> 00:06:11.060 A:middle L:90% it to you. I have done what you asked 103 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:13.930 A:middle L:90% but is there a way to read the hex a 104 00:06:13.930 --> 00:06:15.730 A:middle L:90% decimal? You will need the program that created the 105 00:06:15.730 --> 00:06:19.120 A:middle L:90% exoticism of file. Yes, I will. What 106 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:21.180 A:middle L:90% is the name of the program site? Oh, 107 00:06:21.180 --> 00:06:24.899 A:middle L:90% synth. I do not know this program. It 108 00:06:24.899 --> 00:06:28.069 A:middle L:90% was a very good program. The company that made 109 00:06:28.069 --> 00:06:30.610 A:middle L:90% the program went bankrupt in 2007. Do you have 110 00:06:30.610 --> 00:06:32.819 A:middle L:90% a copy of the program? I do not use 111 00:06:32.819 --> 00:06:35.740 A:middle L:90% this program anymore because the company that made it went 112 00:06:35.740 --> 00:06:40.850 A:middle L:90% bankrupt, Maybe you can buy a copy on Ebay 113 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:50.360 A:middle L:90% . I have good news. You again? I 114 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:54.339 A:middle L:90% talked to my colleague. She knew a person with 115 00:06:54.339 --> 00:06:56.670 A:middle L:90% a copy of the software. Then why do you 116 00:06:56.670 --> 00:06:59.329 A:middle L:90% need me? Everything you need to know about? 117 00:06:59.329 --> 00:07:00.779 A:middle L:90% The data is in the article I opened the data 118 00:07:00.779 --> 00:07:03.300 A:middle L:90% and I could not understand it. If you have 119 00:07:03.300 --> 00:07:06.060 A:middle L:90% the program you will find it is clear. Well 120 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:11.009 A:middle L:90% I noticed that you called your data fields SAM is 121 00:07:11.009 --> 00:07:14.180 A:middle L:90% that an abbreviation? Yes, it is an abbreviation 122 00:07:14.180 --> 00:07:16.449 A:middle L:90% of my co authors name. His name is Samuel 123 00:07:16.449 --> 00:07:19.560 A:middle L:90% . Lee. We call them some. I see 124 00:07:19.939 --> 00:07:23.379 A:middle L:90% . And what is the content of the field called 125 00:07:23.389 --> 00:07:26.100 A:middle L:90% ? SaM one? Ah yes. SaM One is 126 00:07:26.100 --> 00:07:28.430 A:middle L:90% the level of C x c R for expression. 127 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:30.920 A:middle L:90% And what is the content of the field called? 128 00:07:30.930 --> 00:07:32.459 A:middle L:90% SaM to? That is logical. If you think 129 00:07:32.459 --> 00:07:35.670 A:middle L:90% about it, what is the content of the field 130 00:07:35.670 --> 00:07:43.339 A:middle L:90% called? SaM too? I don't remember what about 131 00:07:43.350 --> 00:07:47.930 A:middle L:90% Sam 3? Is there a guide to the data 132 00:07:47.930 --> 00:07:50.980 A:middle L:90% anywhere? Yes, of course, it is the 133 00:07:50.980 --> 00:07:56.170 A:middle L:90% article that was published in science. The article does 134 00:07:56.170 --> 00:07:58.660 A:middle L:90% not tell me what the field names mean. Is 135 00:07:58.660 --> 00:08:01.379 A:middle L:90% there any record of what these field names mean? 136 00:08:01.389 --> 00:08:03.649 A:middle L:90% Yes. My co author knows what the content of 137 00:08:03.660 --> 00:08:11.529 A:middle L:90% SAM two is. And SAM three And Sam four 138 00:08:11.540 --> 00:08:15.569 A:middle L:90% . Can I talk to your co author? I'm 139 00:08:15.569 --> 00:08:18.000 A:middle L:90% not sure I would very much like to talk to 140 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.879 A:middle L:90% your co author. Well, he was a graduate 141 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.160 A:middle L:90% student. He went back to china two years ago 142 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.889 A:middle L:90% . Can I have his contact information? He is 143 00:08:28.889 --> 00:08:33.019 A:middle L:90% in china. His name is SAM lee. I 144 00:08:33.019 --> 00:08:35.519 A:middle L:90% think I cannot use your data. You could check 145 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:37.850 A:middle L:90% the article to see if what you need is there 146 00:08:37.870 --> 00:08:48.539 A:middle L:90% . Please stop talking now. Mhm. Yeah, 147 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:50.649 A:middle L:90% it sort of makes you want to face palm, 148 00:08:50.649 --> 00:08:54.159 A:middle L:90% but I mean, how often you run into that 149 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:58.360 A:middle L:90% ? This is uh it's not terribly uncommon, sadly 150 00:09:01.940 --> 00:09:09.350 A:middle L:90% successfully transitioned back without Texan work. That's right. 151 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:16.590 A:middle L:90% Got a link up. No, there's a link 152 00:09:16.590 --> 00:09:18.590 A:middle L:90% on the bottom of this slide where everything above that 153 00:09:18.590 --> 00:09:22.169 A:middle L:90% link comes from. Um you're probably familiar with the 154 00:09:22.179 --> 00:09:28.250 A:middle L:90% recent White House directive that says, Well, read 155 00:09:28.250 --> 00:09:31.850 A:middle L:90% the key part here. Federal agencies with more than 156 00:09:31.850 --> 00:09:35.320 A:middle L:90% a$100 million dollars and research and development expenditures must 157 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:37.049 A:middle L:90% develop plans to make the published results of federally funded 158 00:09:37.049 --> 00:09:39.990 A:middle L:90% research freely available to the public within one year of 159 00:09:39.990 --> 00:09:43.710 A:middle L:90% publication, researchers must better account for and manage the 160 00:09:43.710 --> 00:09:48.399 A:middle L:90% digital data resulting from federally funded scientific research. So 161 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.980 A:middle L:90% it's not just for publishing science or admit it's it's 162 00:09:52.980 --> 00:09:56.309 A:middle L:90% a Anyone with a federal grant from an agency that 163 00:09:56.309 --> 00:09:58.679 A:middle L:90% has more than$100 million dollars in research and development 164 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:03.889 A:middle L:90% expenditures went from just NIH possible. And then to 165 00:10:03.889 --> 00:10:07.830 A:middle L:90% a few journals. NSF some sub agencies or sub 166 00:10:07.830 --> 00:10:11.509 A:middle L:90% directorates of any H and now it's all federal agencies 167 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:16.370 A:middle L:90% with with large research and development expenditures. How many 168 00:10:16.370 --> 00:10:20.940 A:middle L:90% is that? Well, let's see at Virginia tech 169 00:10:20.950 --> 00:10:26.409 A:middle L:90% alone, we've got we get funding from NIH NSF 170 00:10:26.139 --> 00:10:31.860 A:middle L:90% uh Department of Defense, um Nasa, uh Department 171 00:10:31.860 --> 00:10:37.649 A:middle L:90% of Agriculture, um this Department of Energy. Um 172 00:10:37.940 --> 00:10:43.159 A:middle L:90% Let's see there's Department of Interior Funding, there's a 173 00:10:45.539 --> 00:10:48.259 A:middle L:90% department department health is part of an age. So 174 00:10:48.549 --> 00:10:52.659 A:middle L:90% the list of alphabet soup. Can you name any 175 00:10:52.659 --> 00:10:56.370 A:middle L:90% more federal agencies? I mean pretty much all of 176 00:10:56.370 --> 00:10:58.960 A:middle L:90% them. So All of them have$100 million. 177 00:10:58.970 --> 00:11:01.860 A:middle L:90% I don't know if they all do, but those 178 00:11:01.860 --> 00:11:03.789 A:middle L:90% are the ones that apply that those I mean when 179 00:11:03.789 --> 00:11:05.889 A:middle L:90% you look at the list of funding agencies in terms 180 00:11:05.889 --> 00:11:09.580 A:middle L:90% of research dollars that that we get at Virginia Tech 181 00:11:09.590 --> 00:11:13.850 A:middle L:90% from from various funding agencies. you know, it 182 00:11:13.850 --> 00:11:16.960 A:middle L:90% applies to all the yeah like 2/3 of the money 183 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:22.019 A:middle L:90% that we get from from federal programs interesting because the 184 00:11:22.019 --> 00:11:28.110 A:middle L:90% White House specifically scientific research. So what does that 185 00:11:28.110 --> 00:11:33.750 A:middle L:90% mean? There's actually a lot of that directive was 186 00:11:33.750 --> 00:11:39.009 A:middle L:90% pretty open to interpretation. Okay. Mhm. I 187 00:11:39.009 --> 00:11:41.240 A:middle L:90% like the first part citizens deserve easy access to the 188 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:50.559 A:middle L:90% results, you know that they paid for. So 189 00:11:50.940 --> 00:11:52.240 A:middle L:90% I would have to go. So this is um 190 00:11:52.250 --> 00:11:54.620 A:middle L:90% an answer to a question I posed to environmental studies 191 00:11:54.620 --> 00:11:58.100 A:middle L:90% researcher and he said I'd have to go in and 192 00:11:58.100 --> 00:12:01.629 A:middle L:90% make the data little more. I know the best 193 00:12:01.629 --> 00:12:03.289 A:middle L:90% practices that I should keep it all better than I 194 00:12:03.289 --> 00:12:05.250 A:middle L:90% do and my students keep it better because I teach 195 00:12:05.250 --> 00:12:05.820 A:middle L:90% them to but I do as I do rather than 196 00:12:05.820 --> 00:12:09.220 A:middle L:90% what I teach. So this is an environmental studies 197 00:12:09.220 --> 00:12:11.250 A:middle L:90% researcher here and he told me this when I was 198 00:12:11.250 --> 00:12:16.929 A:middle L:90% interviewing him for my dissertation research and and this this 199 00:12:16.929 --> 00:12:18.610 A:middle L:90% is um as we're putting this together recall this one 200 00:12:18.610 --> 00:12:22.120 A:middle L:90% but there's I recall this one in particular but there's 201 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:24.350 A:middle L:90% a whole bunch of other people said pretty much the 202 00:12:24.350 --> 00:12:28.929 A:middle L:90% same thing. Um It's a lot of work to 203 00:12:28.940 --> 00:12:31.809 A:middle L:90% make your data manageable too, You know it's easy 204 00:12:31.809 --> 00:12:33.649 A:middle L:90% to write sample and Sam to Sam three Sam 4 205 00:12:33.700 --> 00:12:35.860 A:middle L:90% and especially when you're working with several other people. 206 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:39.490 A:middle L:90% Um and you know, it's easy to have a 207 00:12:39.490 --> 00:12:43.480 A:middle L:90% spreadsheet where even if you label it, do you 208 00:12:43.659 --> 00:12:48.240 A:middle L:90% see what that label means somewhere? Um Think about 209 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:50.000 A:middle L:90% the spreadsheets that you have right now in your office 210 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.509 A:middle L:90% that you work on. If you got hit by 211 00:12:52.509 --> 00:12:54.740 A:middle L:90% a bus today, what's one of your colleagues be 212 00:12:54.740 --> 00:12:56.740 A:middle L:90% able to take over what you're doing and roll with 213 00:12:56.740 --> 00:13:00.190 A:middle L:90% it. What do they have, what they need 214 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.870 A:middle L:90% to be able to continue your work and is that 215 00:13:03.870 --> 00:13:09.139 A:middle L:90% important? Um So when you think about the uh 216 00:13:09.149 --> 00:13:13.259 A:middle L:90% the little cartoon, the two bears, um so 217 00:13:13.259 --> 00:13:16.110 A:middle L:90% they were doing this practice, This person knows that 218 00:13:16.110 --> 00:13:18.320 A:middle L:90% he should, that the bear didn't know that he 219 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.279 A:middle L:90% should be doing that, but this person knew that 220 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:22.730 A:middle L:90% he should. But let's think about what his incentives 221 00:13:22.730 --> 00:13:26.440 A:middle L:90% are average in tech for, for for doing this 222 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:30.840 A:middle L:90% or not doing it. His his performance, he's 223 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.659 A:middle L:90% an associate professor by the way his performance is measured 224 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:37.220 A:middle L:90% by, um, by the articles he publishes by 225 00:13:37.220 --> 00:13:41.990 A:middle L:90% his teaching and by a service. Um, there's 226 00:13:41.990 --> 00:13:43.570 A:middle L:90% , there's no line in the faculty annual report. 227 00:13:43.580 --> 00:13:48.240 A:middle L:90% There's no line in the promotion and tenure requirements that 228 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.399 A:middle L:90% say manager data. Well, um, it's since 229 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.799 A:middle L:90% it's brand new that, you know, this directive 230 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.799 A:middle L:90% is brand new that applies to research grants. You 231 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:01.600 A:middle L:90% don't have to have a research grant to get tenure 232 00:14:01.610 --> 00:14:03.190 A:middle L:90% , although it depends on your, probably you do 233 00:14:03.190 --> 00:14:05.769 A:middle L:90% in some departments on campus. But um, so 234 00:14:05.769 --> 00:14:09.759 A:middle L:90% this person, it has very little incentive to actually 235 00:14:09.139 --> 00:14:11.399 A:middle L:90% follow through and manage his data in a way that 236 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:13.049 A:middle L:90% it could be used by other people. He knows 237 00:14:13.049 --> 00:14:16.029 A:middle L:90% what his fields mean. He's not as bad as 238 00:14:16.029 --> 00:14:18.379 A:middle L:90% the bear who doesn't know what it feels. Me 239 00:14:18.389 --> 00:14:20.759 A:middle L:90% , his grad student that he can't contact anymore, 240 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:22.190 A:middle L:90% know what it feels meaning. This guy knows what 241 00:14:22.190 --> 00:14:24.820 A:middle L:90% his fields mean. But in order to make it 242 00:14:24.820 --> 00:14:28.029 A:middle L:90% so that other people you can read those can understand 243 00:14:28.029 --> 00:14:31.039 A:middle L:90% his data. Um He uh would it would take 244 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.009 A:middle L:90% a lot of extra work and what benefit would there 245 00:14:33.009 --> 00:14:39.919 A:middle L:90% be for him to do that? Pretty much, 246 00:14:39.929 --> 00:14:41.779 A:middle L:90% there'd be no benefit. Um He might maybe somebody 247 00:14:41.779 --> 00:14:46.220 A:middle L:90% else should be able to use his research and how 248 00:14:46.220 --> 00:14:50.259 A:middle L:90% the Virginia tech recognize that they don't there's if you 249 00:14:50.259 --> 00:14:52.159 A:middle L:90% get if somebody else uses your data there is you 250 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:54.490 A:middle L:90% get zero credit for that. As far as having 251 00:14:54.490 --> 00:15:01.029 A:middle L:90% a financial professional incentive you get maybe um warm fuzzies 252 00:15:01.029 --> 00:15:03.879 A:middle L:90% and and brownie points in your in your community. 253 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:07.980 A:middle L:90% But that's it's not the same as a as a 254 00:15:07.990 --> 00:15:09.549 A:middle L:90% the same incentive as his promotion Virginia. Right? 255 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:16.100 A:middle L:90% Remember that? Yeah. Yeah. So what I'm 256 00:15:16.100 --> 00:15:20.200 A:middle L:90% talking about data management, how to do it beyond 257 00:15:20.210 --> 00:15:24.509 A:middle L:90% incentivizing it. Um There are some some ways we 258 00:15:24.509 --> 00:15:28.059 A:middle L:90% can talk with faculty about maintaining their data and making 259 00:15:28.059 --> 00:15:31.509 A:middle L:90% it available that can standardize and make it easier for 260 00:15:31.509 --> 00:15:35.259 A:middle L:90% others to use. And that that starts with open 261 00:15:35.259 --> 00:15:39.659 A:middle L:90% standards and what those open standards are. Changes from 262 00:15:39.740 --> 00:15:43.850 A:middle L:90% data format, the data format. Um So why 263 00:15:43.850 --> 00:15:46.350 A:middle L:90% we didn't list everything here just wouldn't fit on the 264 00:15:46.350 --> 00:15:48.700 A:middle L:90% slide. There's nobody done. Um Which is sort 265 00:15:48.700 --> 00:15:50.590 A:middle L:90% of the next point there. Part of the next 266 00:15:50.590 --> 00:15:52.659 A:middle L:90% point is that there's a lot of open standards based 267 00:15:52.659 --> 00:15:54.669 A:middle L:90% on the data and part of it is keeping data 268 00:15:54.669 --> 00:15:58.120 A:middle L:90% in multiple formats in multiple ways is a big part 269 00:15:58.129 --> 00:16:00.190 A:middle L:90% of making sure that is available to other people to 270 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:04.750 A:middle L:90% use um as a geographically distributed preservation. This gets 271 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:08.340 A:middle L:90% difficult with data that can't really be shared to the 272 00:16:08.350 --> 00:16:11.779 A:middle L:90% public. Um It has to be an itemized after 273 00:16:11.779 --> 00:16:15.649 A:middle L:90% its after its uh they're finished with the research. 274 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:22.570 A:middle L:90% Um those faculty generally know that and they're often exempt 275 00:16:22.570 --> 00:16:25.820 A:middle L:90% anyway from, they can say that they're exempt because 276 00:16:25.830 --> 00:16:27.080 A:middle L:90% with a lot of the Department of Defense grants some 277 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:30.210 A:middle L:90% of them, you know, the Department of Defense 278 00:16:30.210 --> 00:16:33.779 A:middle L:90% does oceanographic Research. You know, if you're if 279 00:16:33.779 --> 00:16:36.039 A:middle L:90% you're plotting the floor of the ocean or find a 280 00:16:36.049 --> 00:16:37.980 A:middle L:90% better way to make more accurate maps of the floor 281 00:16:37.980 --> 00:16:40.269 A:middle L:90% of the ocean. This is really important for naval 282 00:16:40.269 --> 00:16:42.279 A:middle L:90% research. That's not top secret stuff though, as 283 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:49.269 A:middle L:90% opposed to design propulsion for weapons systems. So, 284 00:16:51.340 --> 00:16:53.960 A:middle L:90% so some data is not to be shared. Um 285 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.980 A:middle L:90% but with the with the open standards that's uh multiple 286 00:16:59.980 --> 00:17:02.470 A:middle L:90% formats, so you don't write something in a program 287 00:17:02.470 --> 00:17:03.890 A:middle L:90% that that's no longer supported when it goes bankrupt when 288 00:17:03.890 --> 00:17:07.009 A:middle L:90% the company goes bankrupt in two years. Or let's 289 00:17:07.009 --> 00:17:11.440 A:middle L:90% say if you write your data in a standard in 290 00:17:11.450 --> 00:17:12.420 A:middle L:90% , let's say you save it in Excel. Everyone 291 00:17:12.420 --> 00:17:15.470 A:middle L:90% uses Excel. Right. Well, can you open 292 00:17:15.470 --> 00:17:19.160 A:middle L:90% an Excel file? Um And can you open itself 293 00:17:19.170 --> 00:17:23.950 A:middle L:90% from from 1998 in your current software environment? Not 294 00:17:23.950 --> 00:17:26.849 A:middle L:90% without some little bit of monkey wrenching around. Uh 295 00:17:27.539 --> 00:17:30.230 A:middle L:90% And often times it was for me, yes, 296 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:36.279 A:middle L:90% he was formatting. So we talk about open standards 297 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:38.059 A:middle L:90% and we talk about migration, which is up their 298 00:17:38.069 --> 00:17:42.660 A:middle L:90% migration and obsolescence. Um I have a colleague who 299 00:17:42.660 --> 00:17:47.460 A:middle L:90% does a lot of data preservation work with the government 300 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:49.759 A:middle L:90% . And I asked him once at a conference, 301 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:51.880 A:middle L:90% I said, you know, how do you measure 302 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:53.609 A:middle L:90% the sort of market and know what you how do 303 00:17:53.609 --> 00:17:56.339 A:middle L:90% you measure what you've got stored and look at the 304 00:17:56.339 --> 00:17:59.990 A:middle L:90% format you have and whether or not some of your 305 00:17:59.990 --> 00:18:02.269 A:middle L:90% data should be migrated forward based on the software that 306 00:18:02.269 --> 00:18:03.240 A:middle L:90% created it. And I thought he was gonna have 307 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:07.240 A:middle L:90% this big long fancy answer documentation research to do and 308 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:07.829 A:middle L:90% he said they do a lot of the research. 309 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:10.490 A:middle L:90% They said the key factor is whether or not to 310 00:18:10.500 --> 00:18:11.980 A:middle L:90% go down the best buy and buy a program that 311 00:18:11.980 --> 00:18:15.279 A:middle L:90% will open it. And I thought that's actually pretty 312 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:15.579 A:middle L:90% simple way of keeping track of it. If the 313 00:18:15.579 --> 00:18:18.660 A:middle L:90% market is still supporting an application that will open that 314 00:18:18.660 --> 00:18:22.049 A:middle L:90% data, you don't have the obsolescence problem yet. 315 00:18:22.539 --> 00:18:23.200 A:middle L:90% But he said it is something that they have to 316 00:18:23.210 --> 00:18:29.710 A:middle L:90% keep on top of all the time and privacy and 317 00:18:29.710 --> 00:18:30.180 A:middle L:90% security. I think we talked a little bit about 318 00:18:30.190 --> 00:18:37.799 A:middle L:90% that and on the library services for data management, 319 00:18:37.819 --> 00:18:41.049 A:middle L:90% what is we here in the library can provide. 320 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:44.460 A:middle L:90% This is the part where you pay attention in case 321 00:18:44.460 --> 00:18:47.339 A:middle L:90% somebody at what we hope your pay attention alone. 322 00:18:47.339 --> 00:18:48.579 A:middle L:90% But if somebody asks you later and say, what 323 00:18:48.579 --> 00:18:52.079 A:middle L:90% is the library do for us about this data management 324 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.170 A:middle L:90% stuff that I've been hearing about this? This is 325 00:18:55.170 --> 00:19:00.819 A:middle L:90% the answer right here for today. Right. So 326 00:19:00.819 --> 00:19:03.710 A:middle L:90% we do data management plan consulting. DNP is data 327 00:19:03.710 --> 00:19:07.589 A:middle L:90% management planning. Um we do that through FBI sessions 328 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:10.630 A:middle L:90% , we do one on one consultations and we support 329 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:15.140 A:middle L:90% the DNP tool which is a um something you can 330 00:19:15.140 --> 00:19:18.259 A:middle L:90% log into with your, with your kid and you 331 00:19:18.259 --> 00:19:23.190 A:middle L:90% can choose your choose the the agency that you're applying 332 00:19:23.190 --> 00:19:26.049 A:middle L:90% for funding with and you can see the requirements for 333 00:19:26.049 --> 00:19:29.589 A:middle L:90% data management planning for that agency. And it will 334 00:19:29.589 --> 00:19:33.410 A:middle L:90% help you um answer all those questions by just giving 335 00:19:33.410 --> 00:19:34.799 A:middle L:90% you one question time and then it puts out your 336 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.829 A:middle L:90% answers in a text file. Then you can format 337 00:19:37.829 --> 00:19:42.400 A:middle L:90% it for your proposal. Right? We have a 338 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:48.059 A:middle L:90% storage and access through V tech works. Um Yes 339 00:19:49.339 --> 00:19:51.960 A:middle L:90% , you don't talk about me. Sure, I 340 00:19:52.140 --> 00:19:56.549 A:middle L:90% heard of it. Um So with storage we can't 341 00:19:56.549 --> 00:19:59.900 A:middle L:90% just store anything that somebody throws at us without we 342 00:19:59.900 --> 00:20:00.509 A:middle L:90% we have to budget for things in advance or to 343 00:20:00.509 --> 00:20:04.250 A:middle L:90% plan. Um So if somebody says Nathan, I've 344 00:20:04.259 --> 00:20:07.069 A:middle L:90% got some data that like to archive and say, 345 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:10.119 A:middle L:90% what is it? And how much is my first 346 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:11.000 A:middle L:90% question I asked and I don't even care what's it 347 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:15.670 A:middle L:90% about, but basically if they if they say they 348 00:20:15.670 --> 00:20:19.740 A:middle L:90% have tabular data spreadsheets and I say ok, and 349 00:20:19.740 --> 00:20:22.450 A:middle L:90% that those can be small. There typically are, 350 00:20:22.460 --> 00:20:25.900 A:middle L:90% they can be really large, but typically I don't 351 00:20:25.900 --> 00:20:29.559 A:middle L:90% see them getting into the gigabytes. Um So I 352 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:33.579 A:middle L:90% say okay, um if somebody says they have, 353 00:20:33.589 --> 00:20:37.940 A:middle L:90% you know, land set files um and that they've 354 00:20:37.950 --> 00:20:40.009 A:middle L:90% got, you know, for gigs or four terabytes 355 00:20:40.009 --> 00:20:45.470 A:middle L:90% of uh imagery of uh of uh laser output, 356 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:47.420 A:middle L:90% you know, which I can't even imagine what that 357 00:20:47.430 --> 00:20:48.809 A:middle L:90% looks like or how it works, but um I 358 00:20:48.809 --> 00:20:51.940 A:middle L:90% know that I can't upload four terabytes through a web 359 00:20:51.940 --> 00:20:55.069 A:middle L:90% interface. Um and that they can't either. Um 360 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:56.720 A:middle L:90% And I know that if we put that anywhere on 361 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:00.390 A:middle L:90% a library system, um Curtis or paul or somebody 362 00:21:00.390 --> 00:21:03.690 A:middle L:90% will call with a question, what's this about? 363 00:21:03.700 --> 00:21:07.599 A:middle L:90% So we like to inform our our partners here in 364 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:11.730 A:middle L:90% the library about what's happening well in advance so that 365 00:21:11.890 --> 00:21:15.240 A:middle L:90% they can prepare for it. Um and access is 366 00:21:15.250 --> 00:21:18.380 A:middle L:90% through the tech works so we can index that data 367 00:21:18.390 --> 00:21:21.579 A:middle L:90% and see what it means, provided that somebody at 368 00:21:21.579 --> 00:21:25.619 A:middle L:90% the researcher actually knows um and can can and can 369 00:21:25.630 --> 00:21:29.859 A:middle L:90% describe that. And um once it's in V tech 370 00:21:29.869 --> 00:21:32.730 A:middle L:90% works, even if you can't just download the set 371 00:21:32.740 --> 00:21:34.529 A:middle L:90% , you can at least contact the researcher. Maybe 372 00:21:34.539 --> 00:21:36.950 A:middle L:90% you've got that. We might have put the data 373 00:21:36.950 --> 00:21:37.380 A:middle L:90% in there. Maybe we're storing it somewhere else in 374 00:21:37.380 --> 00:21:40.950 A:middle L:90% the library. Maybe it's in a cloud storage that 375 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:44.490 A:middle L:90% jews got a contract with. So we can we 376 00:21:44.490 --> 00:21:47.259 A:middle L:90% can handle larger data sets but it just takes a 377 00:21:47.259 --> 00:21:49.980 A:middle L:90% bit of planning in advance. Which is sort of 378 00:21:49.980 --> 00:21:53.859 A:middle L:90% the next point As one part of the automatic consultant 379 00:21:53.859 --> 00:21:57.500 A:middle L:90% library like to work with faculty early on. And 380 00:21:57.500 --> 00:22:03.119 A:middle L:90% is there preferences are developing their data Um and help 381 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:04.509 A:middle L:90% to try and avoid Sam one Sam to Sam three 382 00:22:04.509 --> 00:22:08.420 A:middle L:90% field construction. Um as well as where it's going 383 00:22:08.420 --> 00:22:10.960 A:middle L:90% to end up when they're done with their projects. 384 00:22:11.539 --> 00:22:15.970 A:middle L:90% These projects usually have termination dates and then they're responsible 385 00:22:15.970 --> 00:22:18.089 A:middle L:90% a lot of times to the granting agency or to 386 00:22:18.089 --> 00:22:19.059 A:middle L:90% the thunder for maintaining the status for a while. 387 00:22:19.539 --> 00:22:23.170 A:middle L:90% Um So all that falls under data management consultant and 388 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:26.970 A:middle L:90% uh you want talk about version Sure. I'll say 389 00:22:26.970 --> 00:22:30.069 A:middle L:90% something about dimension consulting though. I have yet to 390 00:22:30.069 --> 00:22:33.099 A:middle L:90% meet a faculty member who can in advance Stay estimate 391 00:22:33.099 --> 00:22:37.259 A:middle L:90% within 100 GB of or within five gigabytes of how 392 00:22:37.259 --> 00:22:40.950 A:middle L:90% much data they're going to produce with their research. 393 00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:42.940 A:middle L:90% Um And I also haven't met one yet who will 394 00:22:42.940 --> 00:22:45.859 A:middle L:90% say what the fields will be before they start collecting 395 00:22:45.859 --> 00:22:48.450 A:middle L:90% the data and I can relate. So it's it's 396 00:22:48.450 --> 00:22:52.569 A:middle L:90% not it's not an easy diametrical insulting isn't easy. 397 00:22:52.579 --> 00:22:55.130 A:middle L:90% Even if you know the field, it's not it's 398 00:22:55.130 --> 00:22:56.500 A:middle L:90% not a sit down one time either. It's an 399 00:22:56.500 --> 00:23:02.549 A:middle L:90% ongoing thing as the project develops. So for versioning 400 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:07.220 A:middle L:90% and basically if you create your data in a proprietary 401 00:23:07.220 --> 00:23:10.869 A:middle L:90% format, because that's all that exists for your field 402 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:11.480 A:middle L:90% , or maybe not all that exists, but maybe 403 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.640 A:middle L:90% all of your colleagues use the same thing. Um 404 00:23:15.650 --> 00:23:18.710 A:middle L:90% We start versioning. Um Well that's one reason to 405 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:21.960 A:middle L:90% do versioning. Uh So we don't want to lose 406 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:22.750 A:middle L:90% that. We don't want to lose anything vital when 407 00:23:22.750 --> 00:23:26.329 A:middle L:90% we transfer it to an open standard to it to 408 00:23:26.329 --> 00:23:29.460 A:middle L:90% a good standard. Um I was using finger quotes 409 00:23:29.460 --> 00:23:32.670 A:middle L:90% for in case the video didn't catch that. Um 410 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:36.980 A:middle L:90% So if if we have a um we create multiple 411 00:23:36.980 --> 00:23:40.710 A:middle L:90% versions because when you transfer information from one file format 412 00:23:40.710 --> 00:23:42.960 A:middle L:90% to another, you can always lose bits of information 413 00:23:42.970 --> 00:23:45.920 A:middle L:90% . A really simple example of that is uh say 414 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:48.880 A:middle L:90% this PowerPoint presentation that we're going through. I don't 415 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:52.299 A:middle L:90% think we used any notes at the bottom. We 416 00:23:52.299 --> 00:23:53.640 A:middle L:90% didn't add any any lecture notes. But if you 417 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.180 A:middle L:90% do that in the PowerPoint file and then you say 418 00:23:56.180 --> 00:23:59.619 A:middle L:90% that as a pdf, you lose all the lecture 419 00:23:59.619 --> 00:24:03.700 A:middle L:90% notes. So you want to really save both versions 420 00:24:03.710 --> 00:24:06.519 A:middle L:90% because PowerPoint is not going to be supported this version 421 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:08.049 A:middle L:90% of PowerPoint, There's no There's a very little likelihood 422 00:24:08.049 --> 00:24:10.559 A:middle L:90% that you'll be able to open this in 20 years 423 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:15.200 A:middle L:90% without um without downloading something else. So we'll create 424 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:18.640 A:middle L:90% a pdf which is more likely to be opened to 425 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:18.990 A:middle L:90% be able to be open in 20 years. But 426 00:24:18.990 --> 00:24:22.420 A:middle L:90% we lose information. So that's but that's not, 427 00:24:22.420 --> 00:24:25.349 A:middle L:90% that's just a very simple example of power points. 428 00:24:25.349 --> 00:24:30.140 A:middle L:90% It could happen with any file format or let's say 429 00:24:30.140 --> 00:24:33.609 A:middle L:90% you have your your cells, your columns in in 430 00:24:33.609 --> 00:24:36.440 A:middle L:90% your spreadsheet format of one way, we've got these 431 00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:38.269 A:middle L:90% equations that apply to everything in this row. Well 432 00:24:38.269 --> 00:24:41.750 A:middle L:90% , if you say, if you reformat that to 433 00:24:41.750 --> 00:24:45.960 A:middle L:90% another file, if you save that another file format 434 00:24:45.970 --> 00:24:48.390 A:middle L:90% , maybe that file, maybe that format doesn't support 435 00:24:48.390 --> 00:24:51.259 A:middle L:90% the equations that you that you wrote. So that's 436 00:24:51.259 --> 00:24:55.960 A:middle L:90% one kind of versioning, the other kind is um 437 00:24:56.539 --> 00:24:57.990 A:middle L:90% okay, I've written an article about this research that 438 00:24:57.990 --> 00:25:03.599 A:middle L:90% I did, and I'm going to not just uh 439 00:25:03.609 --> 00:25:04.640 A:middle L:90% I'm going to archive the data for the research, 440 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.089 A:middle L:90% and I'm going to archive the software that I used 441 00:25:07.089 --> 00:25:10.599 A:middle L:90% to process the data. I designed this software myself 442 00:25:10.609 --> 00:25:11.829 A:middle L:90% . By the way, I didn't actually do this 443 00:25:11.829 --> 00:25:12.490 A:middle L:90% , I'm speaking, you know, as if I 444 00:25:12.490 --> 00:25:15.750 A:middle L:90% was someone who did. Um So I've got this 445 00:25:15.750 --> 00:25:18.960 A:middle L:90% piece, I've got a python program that I wrote 446 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:21.789 A:middle L:90% , and the article that I wrote is based on 447 00:25:21.789 --> 00:25:26.089 A:middle L:90% the python program. Now, uh three years later 448 00:25:26.099 --> 00:25:27.259 A:middle L:90% , let's say, you know, I've I've come 449 00:25:27.309 --> 00:25:30.240 A:middle L:90% under based on reviews, have gotten from the article 450 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.910 A:middle L:90% and based on some of the things I've learned, 451 00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:37.890 A:middle L:90% I'm going to uh adjust the python program, I'm 452 00:25:37.890 --> 00:25:41.240 A:middle L:90% gonna tweak it a little bit. And and and 453 00:25:41.250 --> 00:25:42.980 A:middle L:90% also I've been continuing to gather data in the last 454 00:25:42.980 --> 00:25:45.819 A:middle L:90% three years, so my data has changed. I 455 00:25:45.819 --> 00:25:47.569 A:middle L:90% still have that old data, but now I've got 456 00:25:47.569 --> 00:25:49.029 A:middle L:90% this new data, I'm not going to replace the 457 00:25:49.029 --> 00:25:52.059 A:middle L:90% old file because there's an article written about that, 458 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:56.769 A:middle L:90% I'm going to create a new file um and and 459 00:25:56.779 --> 00:26:00.869 A:middle L:90% write a new article about that. So if you 460 00:26:00.869 --> 00:26:03.779 A:middle L:90% have one data set that changes and somebody asks for 461 00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:04.589 A:middle L:90% your data set and you give it to them, 462 00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:07.670 A:middle L:90% they're going to get different results from your article three 463 00:26:07.670 --> 00:26:11.299 A:middle L:90% years ago, then then then you did, and 464 00:26:11.309 --> 00:26:12.779 A:middle L:90% then you don't have the same kind of transparency for 465 00:26:12.779 --> 00:26:15.619 A:middle L:90% your research that you would have. Otherwise, if 466 00:26:15.619 --> 00:26:18.869 A:middle L:90% you if you employ versioning so, and then when 467 00:26:18.869 --> 00:26:21.259 A:middle L:90% you change the software, you're changing how the data 468 00:26:21.259 --> 00:26:22.920 A:middle L:90% is processed. And if you give that to somebody 469 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:23.150 A:middle L:90% else, they should be able to get the same 470 00:26:23.150 --> 00:26:26.880 A:middle L:90% answers as you. So if you every time you 471 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.660 A:middle L:90% change the software, you need to uh track that 472 00:26:29.660 --> 00:26:33.390 A:middle L:90% change. Um so we archive both versions of the 473 00:26:33.390 --> 00:26:36.900 A:middle L:90% software and both versions of the data so that other 474 00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:38.039 A:middle L:90% people can look at read your article and say, 475 00:26:38.049 --> 00:26:41.950 A:middle L:90% I wonder if they fudge these if they fudge the 476 00:26:41.950 --> 00:26:42.880 A:middle L:90% results at all? Well, if you show them 477 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.769 A:middle L:90% the data and you show them the software, then 478 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.549 A:middle L:90% you designed to process the data, then they can 479 00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:52.930 A:middle L:90% see that no, you're not full of it. 480 00:26:52.930 --> 00:26:56.549 A:middle L:90% You actually did do your homework and that you're actually 481 00:26:56.940 --> 00:27:00.039 A:middle L:90% uh the things that you wrote in the article are 482 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:00.710 A:middle L:90% actually true because they can do the same. They 483 00:27:00.710 --> 00:27:03.170 A:middle L:90% can use the same tools to get the same results 484 00:27:03.539 --> 00:27:06.000 A:middle L:90% . So that's what we do diversity and that's how 485 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:10.849 A:middle L:90% we diversity. Is that clear or do that take 486 00:27:10.849 --> 00:27:15.980 A:middle L:90% too long? Mhm. I thought we'd open it 487 00:27:15.980 --> 00:27:19.650 A:middle L:90% up to questions. Yeah. Um I like got 488 00:27:19.650 --> 00:27:36.339 A:middle L:90% imagine as well. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. 489 00:27:38.339 --> 00:27:44.549 A:middle L:90% You have to log in, right. This is 490 00:27:44.549 --> 00:27:45.660 A:middle L:90% an open source or something that we've created here. 491 00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:51.349 A:middle L:90% Um This is it's not purchased. It's a it's 492 00:27:51.349 --> 00:27:55.700 A:middle L:90% developed by California Digital Library and johns Hopkins and a 493 00:27:55.700 --> 00:27:57.359 A:middle L:90% few other institutions. You via is a partner, 494 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:04.079 A:middle L:90% right? Excuse me. And we are now a 495 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:07.380 A:middle L:90% contributing member. And I don't know what that means 496 00:28:07.380 --> 00:28:10.269 A:middle L:90% to. I don't think we actually contributed code um 497 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:15.289 A:middle L:90% or money at this point. I think we we 498 00:28:15.289 --> 00:28:18.460 A:middle L:90% got on early enough that they weren't um that they 499 00:28:18.460 --> 00:28:22.549 A:middle L:90% weren't saying that they weren't asking for money and I 500 00:28:22.549 --> 00:28:23.369 A:middle L:90% don't know if they are yet, but I think 501 00:28:23.369 --> 00:28:26.099 A:middle L:90% that's that might be part of their future, but 502 00:28:26.109 --> 00:28:29.430 A:middle L:90% you log in with an institution, it goes into 503 00:28:29.430 --> 00:28:32.759 A:middle L:90% your authentication system at your institution. So for us 504 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:34.059 A:middle L:90% it's the period and all those institutions have their own 505 00:28:34.069 --> 00:28:37.960 A:middle L:90% authentication tools and then it gives you a drop down 506 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.279 A:middle L:90% list where you can choose what kind of what agency 507 00:28:41.289 --> 00:28:42.960 A:middle L:90% you're applying for. You make it even bigger scott 508 00:28:44.140 --> 00:28:48.359 A:middle L:90% . Yeah, so we've got both public and private 509 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:52.119 A:middle L:90% funding represented here in this list. Um there's about 510 00:28:52.130 --> 00:28:56.970 A:middle L:90% 12 or 16 different NSF, you see all those 511 00:28:56.970 --> 00:28:59.509 A:middle L:90% NSF ones in there for different directorates, they each 512 00:28:59.509 --> 00:29:02.380 A:middle L:90% have their own requirements. There's one for any any 513 00:29:02.380 --> 00:29:07.380 A:middle L:90% age, this one for no uh NIH mls um 514 00:29:07.390 --> 00:29:11.599 A:middle L:90% Gordon anymore, so go down from there. Okay 515 00:29:11.609 --> 00:29:15.980 A:middle L:90% , so almost all of them are for NSF, 516 00:29:15.990 --> 00:29:17.769 A:middle L:90% I thought the list is longer than that. Actually 517 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:21.839 A:middle L:90% , there's a that's all that they have enabled I 518 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:23.980 A:middle L:90% guess for the DNP tool. Um There's obviously other 519 00:29:23.980 --> 00:29:30.190 A:middle L:90% agencies now that as of february require data management planning 520 00:29:30.210 --> 00:29:33.630 A:middle L:90% or that announced in february, I can't remember. 521 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:41.460 A:middle L:90% That takes effect. So and this um plan um 522 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.160 A:middle L:90% actually could you go back to one of the NSF 523 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:47.259 A:middle L:90% ones and I think they it's a good way to 524 00:29:47.259 --> 00:29:52.329 A:middle L:90% shoot shows up differently as well. Alright. Just 525 00:29:52.329 --> 00:29:53.660 A:middle L:90% put in a test under that required field there. 526 00:29:57.539 --> 00:30:00.930 A:middle L:90% So you put the formal solicitation number in here. 527 00:30:00.930 --> 00:30:04.650 A:middle L:90% This um that's not required. Um But if you 528 00:30:04.650 --> 00:30:07.789 A:middle L:90% had one researcher who's who's applying for multiple programs or 529 00:30:07.789 --> 00:30:11.380 A:middle L:90% if you had one librarian who's doing all the grants 530 00:30:11.380 --> 00:30:12.609 A:middle L:90% for institution or for all the grants that come to 531 00:30:12.609 --> 00:30:15.549 A:middle L:90% them, they might organize, they might help organize 532 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:22.170 A:middle L:90% their their uh their data management planning uh services by 533 00:30:22.180 --> 00:30:23.930 A:middle L:90% so they can go back and say, what did 534 00:30:23.930 --> 00:30:26.359 A:middle L:90% I do last year? Okay. Here's all the 535 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.119 A:middle L:90% solicitation numbers from last year. Uh I'm gonna go 536 00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:30.849 A:middle L:90% back and see how many of these got funded, 537 00:30:30.509 --> 00:30:33.630 A:middle L:90% How many didn't so that be a reason to use 538 00:30:33.630 --> 00:30:37.109 A:middle L:90% a solicitation number, comments just know it's why don't 539 00:30:37.109 --> 00:30:37.759 A:middle L:90% you go on to the next page, you know 540 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:40.839 A:middle L:90% before you do you can see on the left there's 541 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:42.650 A:middle L:90% this number list that is kind of telling you where 542 00:30:42.650 --> 00:30:47.390 A:middle L:90% you are in in the in the data management plan 543 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:48.220 A:middle L:90% . So we're not even to the first one yet 544 00:30:48.230 --> 00:30:52.980 A:middle L:90% , so I can go down. So can you 545 00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:57.599 A:middle L:90% expand the help? Their hateful. So this is 546 00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:02.230 A:middle L:90% the basically the first question they're asking you to to 547 00:31:02.230 --> 00:31:07.049 A:middle L:90% answer when you uh for answering the types of data 548 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.059 A:middle L:90% . And you see there's formatting tools in there which 549 00:31:11.059 --> 00:31:12.849 A:middle L:90% I've always kind of ignored because I figure I'm just 550 00:31:12.849 --> 00:31:15.559 A:middle L:90% going to format it when I I put it into 551 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:19.450 A:middle L:90% my text into my word document. Uh huh. 552 00:31:21.740 --> 00:31:22.500 A:middle L:90% But it will take some time to get some of 553 00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:26.859 A:middle L:90% this down in it to get something look at at 554 00:31:26.859 --> 00:31:30.519 A:middle L:90% least. All right. And we got the next 555 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:37.890 A:middle L:90% one. So, you know, we've got answer 556 00:31:37.890 --> 00:31:41.660 A:middle L:90% about types of data then data standards. Um um 557 00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:45.450 A:middle L:90% So this is asking about how you're going to describe 558 00:31:45.450 --> 00:31:45.819 A:middle L:90% the data. Are you going to call it San 559 00:31:45.819 --> 00:31:48.490 A:middle L:90% Juan San to San three or are you going to 560 00:31:48.490 --> 00:31:53.670 A:middle L:90% call it um you know mets dot title or whatever 561 00:31:53.670 --> 00:31:59.440 A:middle L:90% it is. So um are you going um so 562 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.829 A:middle L:90% that's asking about metadata standards and then the next one 563 00:32:02.829 --> 00:32:07.059 A:middle L:90% after that is what's your policy for access and sharing 564 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.170 A:middle L:90% ? Is this a it's the graphic europe. Is 565 00:32:10.170 --> 00:32:15.450 A:middle L:90% the is the research that you're proposing going to have 566 00:32:15.940 --> 00:32:20.460 A:middle L:90% commercial value to to yourself. Are you planning on 567 00:32:20.460 --> 00:32:22.329 A:middle L:90% patenting something from your research? If so, then 568 00:32:22.329 --> 00:32:25.210 A:middle L:90% you can say that I'm exempt from sharing this specific 569 00:32:25.210 --> 00:32:29.369 A:middle L:90% data. Um or you can say I'm using lots 570 00:32:29.369 --> 00:32:32.240 A:middle L:90% of human subjects in my research and therefore I should 571 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:35.960 A:middle L:90% not show share my data because that would violate their 572 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.740 A:middle L:90% there are their privacy. You can see how this 573 00:32:39.740 --> 00:32:42.849 A:middle L:90% is a really good way to help folks think through 574 00:32:42.849 --> 00:32:45.430 A:middle L:90% this stuff up front though and see how it's related 575 00:32:45.430 --> 00:32:47.019 A:middle L:90% , how the data management plans related to the rest 576 00:32:47.019 --> 00:32:52.089 A:middle L:90% of the proposal. Um because a lot of people 577 00:32:52.099 --> 00:32:54.130 A:middle L:90% can skimp on certain elements of the proposal and that 578 00:32:54.130 --> 00:32:57.849 A:middle L:90% they want to get funded, but they will think 579 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.180 A:middle L:90% um they'll put so much effort into the research question 580 00:33:00.190 --> 00:33:02.730 A:middle L:90% and methods, but not into what they'll do with 581 00:33:02.730 --> 00:33:07.779 A:middle L:90% the results and how they disseminate them. NSF requires 582 00:33:07.789 --> 00:33:10.759 A:middle L:90% a broader impact statement. So how are you gonna 583 00:33:10.769 --> 00:33:14.380 A:middle L:90% not just make this be this ivory tower project, 584 00:33:14.380 --> 00:33:15.420 A:middle L:90% but how is it going to get out to the 585 00:33:15.430 --> 00:33:17.559 A:middle L:90% people? Well, maybe they write in something about 586 00:33:17.569 --> 00:33:21.450 A:middle L:90% I'm gonna work with an area high school teacher and 587 00:33:21.450 --> 00:33:23.769 A:middle L:90% and create lessons will teach us well. That should 588 00:33:23.779 --> 00:33:27.970 A:middle L:90% be reflected in your access policies for access and sharing 589 00:33:27.980 --> 00:33:30.019 A:middle L:90% well. And a lot of people do that without 590 00:33:30.019 --> 00:33:30.730 A:middle L:90% even having to talk to him. High school teacher 591 00:33:30.730 --> 00:33:32.549 A:middle L:90% beforehand. They'll just make it up as they go 592 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:37.160 A:middle L:90% . But the policies for access and sharing this ties 593 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:40.180 A:middle L:90% in directly to how um what their broader impact statement 594 00:33:40.180 --> 00:33:42.990 A:middle L:90% is or how they're going to make this relevant for 595 00:33:42.990 --> 00:33:45.650 A:middle L:90% society. Yeah. As well as the policies for 596 00:33:45.650 --> 00:33:49.130 A:middle L:90% reuse and redistribution. If you're going to create lesson 597 00:33:49.130 --> 00:33:52.539 A:middle L:90% plans out of this, um how will other people 598 00:33:52.539 --> 00:33:53.880 A:middle L:90% be able to access those lesson plans? Will people 599 00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:58.359 A:middle L:90% be able to create their own lesson plans from, 600 00:33:58.940 --> 00:34:12.289 A:middle L:90% from the, from your research and archiving preservation. 601 00:34:12.289 --> 00:34:14.550 A:middle L:90% And this is we have kind of a blanket statement 602 00:34:14.550 --> 00:34:15.139 A:middle L:90% we use for if people want to use the tech 603 00:34:15.139 --> 00:34:19.059 A:middle L:90% works, but it might be, it might it 604 00:34:19.059 --> 00:34:22.380 A:middle L:90% might make more sense for certain disciplines to use a 605 00:34:22.389 --> 00:34:24.539 A:middle L:90% disciplinary repositories because really you want to get it to 606 00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:28.320 A:middle L:90% the audience where it's going to make, have the 607 00:34:28.329 --> 00:34:30.070 A:middle L:90% biggest impact. People aren't interested in the company to 608 00:34:30.070 --> 00:34:35.469 A:middle L:90% V tech works to find like the ultimate data set 609 00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:37.840 A:middle L:90% on astronomy. They might be, there might be 610 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:44.670 A:middle L:90% a specific um uh repository that's specifically for astronomy data 611 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:46.760 A:middle L:90% and people. Australian researchers go there to look for 612 00:34:46.760 --> 00:35:02.289 A:middle L:90% it. Yeah, there it is. And you 613 00:35:02.289 --> 00:35:07.030 A:middle L:90% can say this is plain text rich text given the 614 00:35:07.030 --> 00:35:08.670 A:middle L:90% formatting, I would have gone with plain. Mhm 615 00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:10.670 A:middle L:90% . I haven't tried it with me for a minute 616 00:35:10.670 --> 00:35:14.710 A:middle L:90% . I want to see what it does never from 617 00:35:14.710 --> 00:35:23.260 A:middle L:90% anything in there, download it right on my desktop 618 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:28.059 A:middle L:90% . Yes, for many dozen off a little bit 619 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.159 A:middle L:90% . So that's how the DNP tool works. Um 620 00:35:34.940 --> 00:35:36.630 A:middle L:90% Were there any other, it looks like a lot 621 00:35:36.630 --> 00:35:40.489 A:middle L:90% of, it's not exactly self service for the P 622 00:35:40.489 --> 00:35:47.340 A:middle L:90% . I. S. Um knowing say the some 623 00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:52.940 A:middle L:90% of the formatting questions particularly they move more on to 624 00:35:52.949 --> 00:36:00.690 A:middle L:90% the archiving very side of things. Um Where in 625 00:36:00.690 --> 00:36:05.409 A:middle L:90% working with researchers, should we point them to the 626 00:36:05.420 --> 00:36:07.329 A:middle L:90% templates for the individual funders that are available for the 627 00:36:07.340 --> 00:36:12.719 A:middle L:90% funding requirements part on there and get them thinking about 628 00:36:12.730 --> 00:36:15.639 A:middle L:90% those those questions. And has that been part of 629 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:22.179 A:middle L:90% the consultation process? Um But where if there's still 630 00:36:22.190 --> 00:36:30.119 A:middle L:90% up against the deadline to submit things that as they 631 00:36:30.130 --> 00:36:35.170 A:middle L:90% tried to translate the questions of the problems that are 632 00:36:35.170 --> 00:36:38.670 A:middle L:90% asked in the tool library jargon? Yeah. Or 633 00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:42.409 A:middle L:90% jargon from any number of sources. The ones that 634 00:36:42.409 --> 00:36:45.909 A:middle L:90% are not their jargon. What what do you recommend 635 00:36:45.909 --> 00:36:52.539 A:middle L:90% in terms of pointing people who don't work with us 636 00:36:52.539 --> 00:36:59.449 A:middle L:90% in a timely fashion to to you mean like find 637 00:36:59.449 --> 00:37:00.579 A:middle L:90% those things? Do we have or is there a 638 00:37:00.579 --> 00:37:07.090 A:middle L:90% way, for example, that work as a complement 639 00:37:07.090 --> 00:37:10.260 A:middle L:90% to the tool? We have some kind of utility 640 00:37:10.260 --> 00:37:14.349 A:middle L:90% that will allow them to see the questions in advance 641 00:37:15.030 --> 00:37:17.920 A:middle L:90% before they're they're actually filling in the boxes and that 642 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:22.030 A:middle L:90% could say and here are some of the standards of 643 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:27.960 A:middle L:90% Dublin core does this and you can uh these are 644 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.679 A:middle L:90% are sufficient for whomever. So there's a number of 645 00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:37.400 A:middle L:90% online tutorials for for what that deconstruct the different parts 646 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:39.619 A:middle L:90% of the data management plan that you can go through 647 00:37:39.630 --> 00:37:43.789 A:middle L:90% . Uh We don't have anything up like that for 648 00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:47.969 A:middle L:90% procedures yet with the research hub. But um there's 649 00:37:47.980 --> 00:37:52.190 A:middle L:90% , we can customize our DNP tool presence so that 650 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.599 A:middle L:90% shows up, we can also create an html web 651 00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.150 A:middle L:90% page on the library side that would have that and 652 00:37:58.150 --> 00:38:00.809 A:middle L:90% other libraries have done that. Um University Minnesota is 653 00:38:00.809 --> 00:38:06.260 A:middle L:90% kind of famous for, there's um and although after 654 00:38:06.260 --> 00:38:07.739 A:middle L:90% I was recommended to visit that the first time I 655 00:38:07.750 --> 00:38:09.230 A:middle L:90% noticed there were lots of dead links, but I 656 00:38:09.230 --> 00:38:13.210 A:middle L:90% hear lots of people talking about the university Minnesota say 657 00:38:13.219 --> 00:38:17.449 A:middle L:90% . Um but Eva has good resources, California digital 658 00:38:17.449 --> 00:38:21.690 A:middle L:90% library resources. So when people ask questions like that 659 00:38:21.699 --> 00:38:24.849 A:middle L:90% , sometimes I'll refer them to the the website of 660 00:38:24.989 --> 00:38:30.949 A:middle L:90% another institution for for the for those kind of tutorials 661 00:38:34.619 --> 00:38:38.250 A:middle L:90% and that will be a part of makes them right 662 00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:51.900 A:middle L:90% . Yes. So about the dress consumers. I 663 00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:54.610 A:middle L:90% wonder question about Vicky works. Where is that actually 664 00:38:54.619 --> 00:38:59.650 A:middle L:90% over the computing center or the partially here or how 665 00:39:00.820 --> 00:39:04.510 A:middle L:90% Were the back end? Back end is on the 666 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.809 A:middle L:90% is in the server room on the 4th floor? 667 00:39:06.820 --> 00:39:12.449 A:middle L:90% It is okay. At least it was. And 668 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:15.289 A:middle L:90% September 2011 when they showed it to me. I 669 00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:17.989 A:middle L:90% still haven't moved it since. I wouldn't know and 670 00:39:17.989 --> 00:39:24.559 A:middle L:90% I don't particularly care where it lives. I'm just 671 00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:28.840 A:middle L:90% not in the basement. Yeah. What about the 672 00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:30.989 A:middle L:90% sixth floor either? Because some library, I've worked 673 00:39:30.989 --> 00:39:34.949 A:middle L:90% in libraries where there's leaks on the top floor, 674 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:39.860 A:middle L:90% usually throughput for don't put it by the window either 675 00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:44.940 A:middle L:90% . Well, I'm curious what kind of capacity do 676 00:39:45.690 --> 00:39:49.949 A:middle L:90% not want to fill it up. I think I 677 00:39:49.949 --> 00:39:52.969 A:middle L:90% think they start us with two terabytes and they didn't 678 00:39:52.969 --> 00:39:54.300 A:middle L:90% say that that's your limit. They said that they 679 00:39:54.460 --> 00:39:58.539 A:middle L:90% were given you for this year Um if you need 680 00:39:58.539 --> 00:40:00.460 A:middle L:90% more in six months, let us know. So 681 00:40:00.469 --> 00:40:02.969 A:middle L:90% we I think we have and that was back in 682 00:40:02.980 --> 00:40:06.519 A:middle L:90% to fall of 2011, so we might be a 683 00:40:07.010 --> 00:40:09.489 A:middle L:90% we probably we probably have more than that now because 684 00:40:09.489 --> 00:40:13.360 A:middle L:90% they don't think we filled that. So in the 685 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:16.289 A:middle L:90% project, hope of the historical aerial photos at this 686 00:40:16.289 --> 00:40:21.090 A:middle L:90% point. Uh You gave me Right, right. 687 00:40:21.099 --> 00:40:22.730 A:middle L:90% Some are, but I don't think there's been a 688 00:40:23.409 --> 00:40:27.849 A:middle L:90% amend that upload uh for that, so I don't 689 00:40:27.849 --> 00:40:31.239 A:middle L:90% think those are those are positive. Yeah, yeah 690 00:40:34.610 --> 00:40:38.219 A:middle L:90% , terabytes question. And you said, well, 691 00:40:38.230 --> 00:40:43.739 A:middle L:90% if you've got four terabytes you're hello? Mhm. 692 00:40:44.409 --> 00:40:46.980 A:middle L:90% I just wondered how we're going. Things are going 693 00:40:46.980 --> 00:40:52.730 A:middle L:90% so fast. It used to be that Just a 694 00:40:52.730 --> 00:40:54.559 A:middle L:90% small amount of data would fill a computer now. 695 00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:58.980 A:middle L:90% Of course we've got 100 give advice or whatever in 696 00:40:58.980 --> 00:41:02.019 A:middle L:90% the interest. Little computers. Um I saw a 697 00:41:02.030 --> 00:41:07.610 A:middle L:90% new thing about how some MIT students had constructed some 698 00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:10.849 A:middle L:90% weather satellites, like a shoebox and I was just 699 00:41:10.849 --> 00:41:15.400 A:middle L:90% wondering is there anything out there where people thinking about 700 00:41:15.409 --> 00:41:21.230 A:middle L:90% how data storage, how pretty soon terabytes are going 701 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:25.039 A:middle L:90% to be the new megabytes. Well the terrible when 702 00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:27.960 A:middle L:90% I said the terabytes can't be upload through us is 703 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:30.579 A:middle L:90% basically you can't upload terabytes to any web interface you 704 00:41:30.579 --> 00:41:36.900 A:middle L:90% can use FTp or or other or other other internet 705 00:41:36.900 --> 00:41:40.599 A:middle L:90% tools that can transfer larger amounts of data over longer 706 00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:44.869 A:middle L:90% periods of time. But you can't do it through 707 00:41:44.869 --> 00:41:47.800 A:middle L:90% like an html page. It's not a question of 708 00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:51.309 A:middle L:90% storage of the question of bandwidth, other ways of 709 00:41:51.309 --> 00:41:53.969 A:middle L:90% getting it in there. So storage is becoming a 710 00:41:53.980 --> 00:41:59.719 A:middle L:90% problem. It's storage some dating like for instance, 711 00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:06.130 A:middle L:90% space exploration, all those pictures, terabytes of terabytes 712 00:42:06.139 --> 00:42:09.340 A:middle L:90% or not? It is. And Mhm Yeah, 713 00:42:09.340 --> 00:42:14.980 A:middle L:90% they started talking about petabytes um which I think 1000 714 00:42:14.980 --> 00:42:20.699 A:middle L:90% terabytes to petabytes. Um But you actually surprised that 715 00:42:20.710 --> 00:42:23.670 A:middle L:90% the scientific data like the Sky Survey, the Sloan 716 00:42:23.670 --> 00:42:27.449 A:middle L:90% Digital Sky Survey uses one of them. Um Takes 717 00:42:27.449 --> 00:42:29.360 A:middle L:90% up an awful lot of room. It's it's it's 718 00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:31.309 A:middle L:90% a giggle. Hundreds of gigabytes of data. Um 719 00:42:32.099 --> 00:42:37.320 A:middle L:90% but it's a it's a video and audio that actually 720 00:42:37.329 --> 00:42:42.570 A:middle L:90% eats up a lot of space. Um We're talking 721 00:42:42.570 --> 00:42:47.929 A:middle L:90% about versioning and migration when you're dealing in uh and 722 00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:54.440 A:middle L:90% photos, video and audio. They're different compression rates 723 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:59.260 A:middle L:90% what we listen to on our phones versus what you 724 00:42:59.260 --> 00:43:00.159 A:middle L:90% might want to have recorded for for editing in the 725 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:05.469 A:middle L:90% studio letter. And so generally best practices to hang 726 00:43:05.469 --> 00:43:07.329 A:middle L:90% onto an uncompressed version. Let me start doing that 727 00:43:07.340 --> 00:43:10.000 A:middle L:90% . You're talking a lot of data. And uh 728 00:43:10.010 --> 00:43:15.699 A:middle L:90% one of my favorite examples is that the steven Spielberg's 729 00:43:15.909 --> 00:43:19.539 A:middle L:90% project. To show a foundation. Thank you. 730 00:43:19.550 --> 00:43:24.099 A:middle L:90% Show a foundation of doing oral history and their server 731 00:43:24.099 --> 00:43:29.929 A:middle L:90% room Could easily hold 10 of the digital side service 732 00:43:30.699 --> 00:43:34.059 A:middle L:90% . And they're already full of their capacity. So 733 00:43:34.059 --> 00:43:39.139 A:middle L:90% they had to expand some. Um So something outrageous 734 00:43:39.139 --> 00:43:40.480 A:middle L:90% later. They had to invent, they had to 735 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:44.030 A:middle L:90% invent robots, storage for them for them, you 736 00:43:44.030 --> 00:43:47.900 A:middle L:90% know? Well another thing is sad storage is yeah 737 00:43:47.909 --> 00:43:51.500 A:middle L:90% is less of a problem than than uh bandwidth. 738 00:43:51.500 --> 00:43:55.190 A:middle L:90% So access. Yeah. So um say like amazon 739 00:43:55.190 --> 00:43:59.500 A:middle L:90% Glacier is a cloud service. It costs a penny 740 00:43:59.500 --> 00:44:01.500 A:middle L:90% per gigabyte per month. So I don't care. 741 00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:05.920 A:middle L:90% Goodbye. It's that's a dollar a month for storage 742 00:44:07.090 --> 00:44:09.000 A:middle L:90% . You get charged not for storing it really when 743 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:10.619 A:middle L:90% you get a charge of dollar month restoring it, 744 00:44:10.889 --> 00:44:15.769 A:middle L:90% you get charged for downloading it. That's when we 745 00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:20.710 A:middle L:90% get you. So um and same with a flicker 746 00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:25.579 A:middle L:90% if zero photographer I believe so um No, well 747 00:44:25.590 --> 00:44:29.230 A:middle L:90% so maybe you have nice photos in your office. 748 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:32.719 A:middle L:90% Well um flicker for the pro accounts. You're not 749 00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:37.929 A:middle L:90% charged for storage. Treasure uploading new things. You're 750 00:44:37.929 --> 00:44:39.539 A:middle L:90% not charged for the things you uploaded last month. 751 00:44:39.539 --> 00:44:42.230 A:middle L:90% You're charged with things. You're uploading this month. 752 00:44:42.420 --> 00:44:44.869 A:middle L:90% It's I mean you're not charged, you're basically you 753 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:50.340 A:middle L:90% pay a an annual rate and you are allowed so 754 00:44:50.340 --> 00:44:53.530 A:middle L:90% many gigabytes per month to upload. It doesn't matter 755 00:44:53.539 --> 00:44:55.579 A:middle L:90% how long you been doing that for. But it's 756 00:44:55.579 --> 00:44:58.760 A:middle L:90% part of data management. We're talking about cloud services 757 00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:00.130 A:middle L:90% . We're talking about that. Sometimes we have to 758 00:45:00.130 --> 00:45:02.099 A:middle L:90% point out the faculty that depends on where their funding 759 00:45:02.099 --> 00:45:05.530 A:middle L:90% comes from. They can't use these clouds sources because 760 00:45:05.539 --> 00:45:07.119 A:middle L:90% amazon is not gonna tell you where they, where 761 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:07.809 A:middle L:90% the computers are. Might not be in this country 762 00:45:08.389 --> 00:45:12.000 A:middle L:90% where your dad is sitting and depending on your depending 763 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.510 A:middle L:90% on faculties funding research um they can't put it there 764 00:45:15.190 --> 00:45:17.429 A:middle L:90% , you know, even if amazon says well secured 765 00:45:17.429 --> 00:45:21.710 A:middle L:90% and it's password protected. Yeah, they won't tell 766 00:45:21.710 --> 00:45:24.219 A:middle L:90% you where where it's sitting, where that physical server 767 00:45:24.219 --> 00:45:27.710 A:middle L:90% is and for some funding that can't be outside of 768 00:45:27.710 --> 00:45:31.230 A:middle L:90% the country, so Exactly. You know, it 769 00:45:31.230 --> 00:45:34.260 A:middle L:90% might be on one of amazon servers in china and 770 00:45:34.269 --> 00:45:35.840 A:middle L:90% I don't think d o d will be very happy 771 00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.389 A:middle L:90% about that. So it's actually the transport of data 772 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:45.099 A:middle L:90% that's more expensive items that it's more of a technical 773 00:45:45.110 --> 00:45:45.880 A:middle L:90% , it's more expensive, is more of a technical 774 00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:50.099 A:middle L:90% challenge. So when somebody wants to upload data to 775 00:45:50.099 --> 00:45:52.260 A:middle L:90% be tech works, if they want to do something 776 00:45:52.260 --> 00:45:54.530 A:middle L:90% very large, they have to basically upload it to 777 00:45:54.539 --> 00:46:00.800 A:middle L:90% a different server through um through a file transfer protocol 778 00:46:01.139 --> 00:46:02.619 A:middle L:90% . And they're secure ways of doing that. But 779 00:46:02.630 --> 00:46:06.199 A:middle L:90% basically they get it twisted, they give them a 780 00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:08.849 A:middle L:90% a server address and they upload it. They log 781 00:46:08.849 --> 00:46:12.409 A:middle L:90% into that space and they uploaded there, uh, 782 00:46:12.780 --> 00:46:16.329 A:middle L:90% just through a direct uh ftp address or essay or 783 00:46:16.329 --> 00:46:21.320 A:middle L:90% ssh or something. But um, they don't, 784 00:46:21.329 --> 00:46:22.300 A:middle L:90% they don't upload directly to be tech works if it's 785 00:46:22.300 --> 00:46:30.030 A:middle L:90% very large because basically there, their internet service provider 786 00:46:30.030 --> 00:46:31.849 A:middle L:90% isn't going to handle that level of capacity for through 787 00:46:31.849 --> 00:46:38.929 A:middle L:90% the web. I'm kind of surprised how text is 788 00:46:38.940 --> 00:46:44.300 A:middle L:90% this whole? Yeah. Hmm. I mean, 789 00:46:44.780 --> 00:46:47.269 A:middle L:90% you're basically people, people just friday. Okay, 790 00:46:47.269 --> 00:46:49.929 A:middle L:90% well, here's my plan. Here's this, here's 791 00:46:49.929 --> 00:46:52.289 A:middle L:90% that I'm kind of surprised. This is a more 792 00:46:52.289 --> 00:46:57.300 A:middle L:90% structure types of data. I don't know in terms 793 00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.210 A:middle L:90% radio buttons, checkboxes, things like that. They're 794 00:47:00.219 --> 00:47:04.789 A:middle L:90% a little bit easier, for instance, or whoever 795 00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:07.510 A:middle L:90% to figure out a table. Well, this doesn't 796 00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:13.079 A:middle L:90% this, the mp tool generates text that goes into 797 00:47:13.090 --> 00:47:16.210 A:middle L:90% a supplementary section of your grant proposal, which they 798 00:47:16.219 --> 00:47:19.900 A:middle L:90% received as text. The Mp told you when you 799 00:47:19.900 --> 00:47:21.929 A:middle L:90% submit this, it doesn't go to NSF. It 800 00:47:21.929 --> 00:47:24.579 A:middle L:90% goes, it goes to your downloads folder And any 801 00:47:24.579 --> 00:47:28.130 A:middle L:90% attached to the grand you trash it as a supplementary 802 00:47:28.130 --> 00:47:30.250 A:middle L:90% page two grand. Well, still the agency is 803 00:47:30.250 --> 00:47:35.699 A:middle L:90% having to basically, what's that information? What? 804 00:47:36.579 --> 00:47:37.300 A:middle L:90% Yeah, it seems like, I mean, it's 805 00:47:37.300 --> 00:47:40.199 A:middle L:90% a huge burden on asset in my age or whatever 806 00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:45.039 A:middle L:90% . Yes, as a huge burden producers as well 807 00:47:45.050 --> 00:47:50.250 A:middle L:90% . Uh anyone who's on the student's side around here 808 00:47:50.260 --> 00:47:52.960 A:middle L:90% who worked with folks trying to make sense of end 809 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:58.639 A:middle L:90% note and actually make those records conformed all the different 810 00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:00.949 A:middle L:90% style managers. It's not Endnotes fault, it's not 811 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:06.170 A:middle L:90% the data's fault. It's just that there's a lot 812 00:48:06.170 --> 00:48:08.789 A:middle L:90% of specifications that have to be made, A lot 813 00:48:08.789 --> 00:48:13.050 A:middle L:90% of people don't do. And my sense is, 814 00:48:13.050 --> 00:48:14.530 A:middle L:90% and this is really getting back to part of my 815 00:48:14.530 --> 00:48:19.989 A:middle L:90% earlier question is there's so many different questions out there 816 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:22.670 A:middle L:90% that what do you do with the things that are 817 00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:27.940 A:middle L:90% outliers from the check boxes that the template doesn't doesn't 818 00:48:27.940 --> 00:48:32.059 A:middle L:90% account, but it's very hard to You have five 819 00:48:32.070 --> 00:48:36.510 A:middle L:90% radio buttons and then the other box I think I 820 00:48:36.510 --> 00:48:38.400 A:middle L:90% would assume, but they feel easier to have to 821 00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:44.730 A:middle L:90% let researchers put it in their own words, limiting 822 00:48:44.730 --> 00:48:47.380 A:middle L:90% them to a certain set. Mhm. I guess 823 00:48:47.380 --> 00:48:51.869 A:middle L:90% the disadvantage is a lot of people don't express what 824 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.980 A:middle L:90% you're doing very well or vaguely or whatever. I 825 00:48:54.980 --> 00:48:59.530 A:middle L:90% still don't understand what your day is coming from that 826 00:49:00.369 --> 00:49:07.210 A:middle L:90% . Yeah, way, you know, producer and 827 00:49:07.210 --> 00:49:09.869 A:middle L:90% the reviewer, it ensures that money is kind of 828 00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:20.320 A:middle L:90% people what? Mm He said, I think our 829 00:49:20.329 --> 00:49:22.750 A:middle L:90% our is just about up questions. I am, 830 00:49:22.989 --> 00:49:28.010 A:middle L:90% yeah, we started really early. I'm only three 831 00:49:28.179 --> 00:49:34.789 A:middle L:90% weeks early. Thanks for coming. Thank you. 832 00:49:35.469 --> 00:49:36.579 A:middle L:90% Mhm. Mhm.