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Let's start over and just tell me your name,

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do that whole bit. Okay, Michael Terry.

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Born around Virginia from 17 1949. Michael, thanks

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for being here. And I'd love for you just

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to tell me your story. Tell me a little

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bit about your life and about your time at ST

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Lukes and subsequent experience with the Episcopal Church. And

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when, uh, we first remember first Roanoke Virginia

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in 1955. And my parents for all right,

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everyone wants to make sure that we had a good

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religious and sound uh, religious background and then handed

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baptized, uh, basically going to his church,

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the baptist church. Uh, dad was much is

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, my mother was left this and so who love

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us? My parents love us, decides which will

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be baptist. Memphis possibly never came into the picture

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. I met jean between Hamilton Jordan and mr Jordan

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lived a block down the street from us and he

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was involved in the Episcopal Church. Well, the

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political church was right behind the house. I mean

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, living about 20 steps behind the house and the

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legal way I got involved was that he started a

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cub scout troop. And the construct truth without,

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I was actually about a year to young. Give

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me a cup scott. True. But he knew

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that all my, my friends and teammates, we're

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uh, you know, we're doing sort of been

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myself. So you know, if, if they

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know your coach cause and I get them getting in

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, it's gonna be some troubling in neighborhood. So

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the lesson if I came and talked to my parents

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and he didn't know them and he said that he

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wanted to be getting actively involved in the sky trip

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, but he also wanted to be involved in the

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Episcopal Church. Well, after some dissertation, my

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mother father have relented and said, okay. And

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now he's going to church. Uh, you know

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, I'm gonna hear his doctors methodist where the nose

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is going to church. So we kind of buy

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, I kept processing nice and we looked at and

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we enjoyed it because he had a lot of interesting

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things for us to do. And uh, in

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the sculpture, it was kind of the, the

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intro to it and introduced us to the church and

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just did introduces to the different parts and stations of

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the church. And he said, I mean,

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this is a church and this is what people are

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doing a lot of people. But he was a

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good educational met because it kind of accounts his way

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of getting us in the church and doing things because

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we're at 789 years old. Just, you know

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, you know, this is not bunkers and nothing

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to do some stuff, you know, So he

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said that he forgot that. He told us when

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they're shooting the new something good, bad or indifferent

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Children don't do something. So, and he got

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us involved in these countries and they had some of

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the best wasn't the best time because he had again

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, mother and daddy Logan and this woman was a

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wife of my dentist. I finally get us,

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so get you just people in the sky trip can

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. Then one sunday we had a little uh shorts

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on and little cups, got uniforms, introduce us

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to the church. Family were out there was really

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impressed because there were a problem with people in,

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you know, in african american community. There were

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similar doctors, um, in attorney, several school

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teachers, vice principals and people, you know who

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this were outstanding in community. And I've been able

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to members of the church and the thing that impressed

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me encounter, it's a problem to, We had

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a one priest and a black place and you're before

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that one that I don't think that would happen in

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roanoke Virginia. Do you remember their names? Woodrow

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gator was the, was the news in the south

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as a major leader, the guy to be a

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priest. I can't remember the other priest name Uh

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, because this was in 1960. So, and

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then uh, I think the following sunday bishop morning

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came to the church and was telling people in the

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neighborhood about the church. Well, he might have

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only included the young man's for cub scouts. We

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include the girls too and the older sister who was

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, who was the kind of, you know,

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he wanted to go to church. So they buy

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us going and get involved with some girls in neighborhood

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, want to get involved and said, well we

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had a very interesting, but he made sunday school

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so much fun and you kind of trick this by

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making the fun but they're learning at the same time

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. So we had about I guess we're about 30

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Children in the neighborhood, that one In that there

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were no winter right in the 15 Guatemalan different steps

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and lessons to get get back past and it was

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sprinkled with Saddam I can't talk to your parents about

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it. And then said well as long as they

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full of baptized, you've been baptized already, so

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they spring here. That's okay. But we had

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we went to the confirmation uh hearing confirmation lessons and

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everything but he's the only thing that he told us

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showing us the books of the bible. And you

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said you know in the bible it broken down and

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some people did, some people did as well as

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old testament, new testament. So he took us

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to each book of the bible and that and we

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had lessons every week on valuable have been interesting because

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if you learn, if you ask the most questions

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and that week before some school, well you got

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a price. And sometimes the prize was a box

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of um Eminem's, a whole box of them.

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Holbox attention rose or bags and bags of candy.

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So uh being chilling and that's probably the peak their

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interest. The thing about it, he showed me

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. So I want, I want you to be

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um something we ought to be acolytes, I'm saying

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, who's acolyte? He said, well, you

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remember the actual ideas before he was accepted responsibility?

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He showed us and gave us, in fact,

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he said, this is what the act like.

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Does these are the beauties of the acolyte? I

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said, okay, so it was kind of cool

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because you know the thing that most churches didn't do

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was drink a little wine and the thing that kind

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of was kind of finchley and kinda kinda get surprising

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to that everybody drinks on the same challenge. This

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was 1960 again. And I mean Dr Martin Luther

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King had come to Ronald mm when I first saw

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the culmination, they were mostly african americans, but

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they were white families too. And that looks so

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and I was like wow and then Hamas college,

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we know how university had a group of women that

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would come there to to work with us and teach

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sunday school and then then they actually were members and

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they came every sunday without fail. And that was

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interesting because you know, most of you think about

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being because that was the time they had, which

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called white and colored water fountains now and we had

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and then the SRS crushed downtown. We had a

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lunch counter where african americans couldn't sit, You can

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order your food to go and pay for it with

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a$1 American, but you couldn't sit there and

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have much. That was wrong in 19, in

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the 1960s. Also the city bus system and the

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SAN, which is a city ordinance on the bus

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and the bus is right to the front color to

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rear. Well I was, I must have been

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six years old and I could read. So my

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mom and dad always, let's just be adventuresome,

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especially me. So I'm going to ride the bus

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. My my parents were unfortunately vehicles but I want

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to ride the bus and say I want to go

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downtown something mom said, well okay, when I

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do, if you want to ride the bus I'll

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let you write to us. Well I've been dealing

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with my dad was going to meet me downtown.

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So I got on the bus and we know you

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had a token, you got little tokens and look

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horns, You put money in there, got token

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. I guess the job, we wouldn't have to

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get robbed, robbed the bus, you can get

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these tokens. So put the token in the,

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in this law and I was just banned the big

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enough to come on the back seat of a car

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number on the seat and back behind the driver.

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And I was so small that my feet busting.

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But when he, when I was speaking with you

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and strung out, so we made a confirmation,

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they looked at me, he said snow right here

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. And she kind of smiled at me where the

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bus driver was looking in the mirror. I said

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something something you can't sit right there. I said

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so you can see right there. That's why then

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I put enough tokens in here. He said no

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there's a city ordinance that said city order. And

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he pointed to it. I read it. I

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said wait to the front colour away at that's a

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career. So and then they said leave him a

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mountain. But leaving me mr baby to leaving the

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money, they will sit out there. And that

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job said man, he said let him sit right

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there well and the rest driving to go. I

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didn't know at that point that he could have been

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fired because it was sitting on this when I go

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downtown and letting out the bus, she got right

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to the seat because I was so small. I

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said thank you man, you said you work on

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went down in my bed, let me. And

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he said, how is Bush Ryan? I said

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it was good. So not my first adventure along

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city bus system. But you know it was it

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was painful and exceed in there and there has because

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we can in certain places we could go spend money

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but your money was not welcome. Yeah, they

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went to money but your mother, you're not welcome

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. So we got a runner wound stone was one

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place we could, we could go there and you

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know where you stand and get a hot dog.

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But most of the hot dogs were to go.

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Sometimes that was bigger and bigger as a big size

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room and the guy can never loved what I understand

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And as the time that was awesome. But in

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the in the 60's and I promise market and people

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bring all kinds of problems and stuff into the market

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and their fortunes. Fish market, a lot of

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different things. But you know what I liked about

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it was that week ago downtown and for the most

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part the places we were welcome. But all the

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parts we deeply couldn't go because they had separate combinations

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, separate but not equal because the schools were concept

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within an equal as well. So that was that

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was a big challenge. But you know, I

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just meant that bombing because I knew that, you

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know, somehow that all this would be limited Church

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, those are respite. Because when the church must

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, we got black people, white people and people

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were came up. Yeah, even David, uh

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, to everyone that wow. And I think people

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at church and I didn't tell him. I said

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, well, my church, So I went to

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church going to is going to say, oh,

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that's where the guy gives you because you gave yourself

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I say yeah, I said but you got to

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know the bible, he said okay, so whether

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incentive but we take people church with us and they

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were just kind of amazing and surprising. You can

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white people in the church do Yeah. Yeah.

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Do you remember some of the names of the people

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who were at the church? And the second question

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is was it bishop marmee and doing the lessons?

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The bible lessons and giving you the candy or was

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it it was Mr Jordan was one being a godfather

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to the church. Uh Milton. Jordan was my

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godfather, you know what I mean in Jordan?

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And he was the one who was doing the Bible

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Lesson. Huh? And he was the lay reader

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who, you know, and he was also a

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senior warden at the church and um at the range

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there are mr mr Ragsdale, Wonder if our family

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is in there. Um It was fair somebody Logan

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back to Logan was a dentist Because we all know

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the name of the game to come. Stick horse

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James Washington. He was about six ft 18 when

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talking to people I have ever seen. They come

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to stick horse because he was a real tall man

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had Wilbur and Matilda Lightfoot, They were members of

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the church um uh goody and Grubby Coleman and George

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Coleman, her husband, he was the vice principal

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of a high school and mr Evan phillips, his

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wife and he was a personal in high school.

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They're both were from New Orleans and creo. So

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they brought up in the stocks catholic church in the

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parishes of Louisiana. So they were, they accepted

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them Episcopal Church because people called Episcopalians. So you

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got a pistol, can give you a rich catholic

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. Uh I never thought about it, but as

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the years went by, mama pissed things, I

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mean you know I can promise, you know I

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was a good man but I have a fair amount

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of money so but this morning and then with man

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in his, the only way he can just like

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we were out there like his own Children or grandchildren

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and never made any infant. Mhm. Or we

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don't need the distinction between asking anybody else because so

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bad, you know that God loves all Children and

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they said you all doing a wonderful thing here,

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you wouldn't be by by their blue kinda and that's

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this of the church for the neighborhood because almost all

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of the Children in the church where this and the

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neighborhood and the neighborhood was basically a mixed neighborhood.

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Me an italian, we had posters, we had

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seven of your group african american caucasian and I was

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I wouldn't have taken anything for the neighborhood because we

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had to bring the best hard parts of people.

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So we had all kinds of people and all kinds

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of ethnic groups and so heretofore had been stopped um

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mm uh in the in the poorest church. I

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mean the Great Church, we got that church in

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the uh mhm peaceful church and the catholic church and

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then you want to be something that came there because

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they wanted a small small congregation sometimes they felt like

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they got lost in the big congregations because the same

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. Andrews had a big congregation and people feel like

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they would get lost in the catholic church. Yes

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and people didn't really, you know they feel like

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the police didn't know them and they there wasn't that

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closer and and I was at the church would always

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have coffee and we have, they have hot chocolate

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and marshmallows. They've done this for the kids.

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So they may make sure that the kids were always

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felt welcome and always felt that they wanted to come

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back the ball. I was talking and tell us

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about different things in church. They tell us and

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live fish in their stories and do that. And

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I'm being, there was no, don't call me

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a businessman. The people never heard I love cutting

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their grass, showing you smell like Kimberly large and

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to keep the during the sunday months and then went

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two months as well. So I can't handle this

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as much on the side president. But before I

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wouldn't know these people and they knew us because their

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Children came up with us to the church and in

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the church. So that was really interesting. And

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and so when you have a big contest every Sundays

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who's gonna know the most and don't say you know

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it's ok when you're done on saturday nights, we

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always get our bob's on the stubborn books on and

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the studies. Okay. At this point husbands eight

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so An assistant about 10 years old, 1960 60

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62. Let's see. You were born in 49

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12. Oh yeah, I'm ok. Yeah,

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because bishop came in 57 58 57, 58 59

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, maybe that year about Muslims 57-57-58. Because because

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I was uh the movie made longer than 50 I

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think 55 Fellow with six months when pressed by the

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house run of Virginia. And tell me about the

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neighborhood. Tell me about what where the neighborhood was

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and where the church was. The name of the

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Romney boulevard, which is uh the 10th street stuff

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was. And the neighborhood was every day. I

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don't answer older setting neighborhood because the new there there

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are possible about six or seven african american families.

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Devils were again uh on the 10th to mark your

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ugly, that were Greek. They were polish,

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they were telling the families and on up the street

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there were people from Syria Lebanon because the same Mackley

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and he was Lebanese. And now we always hear

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these different numbers in their blood pours talking and singing

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and I made his name is is not the problem

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. That's a model, is mr marketing somebody again

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and then you get to somebody on the store as

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well. Uh Sam Macklin and you're in the store

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called Rugby grocery. So he uh and anxious to

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go to the store from my parents. And you

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know sometimes I have a note and because because the

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navy grocery store was anything because We had one chroma

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store was 11 street and uh love street without the

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infamous, but in the name of grocers were they

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, there was a staple of the communities. So

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I'm going there and salmon always talked to me.

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He smoked a cigar can kind of have shooting cigar

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and he said, you got to have some good

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and you know, they were sliced baloney and slice

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your meat and you know, and do it the

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first several things just like you would go and have

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a big store. But he always had the rico

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soldiers and you know, very good meats and the

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fresh fruits and vegetables. So we could do that

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until we sometimes went to the grocery store to make

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your major grocery. So we asked them when they

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, and I found out to look for him in

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the store. Yeah. I asked him, I

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said all right. He was just kind of sweeping

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in and taking care of the store and uh make

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sure things kind of neat and tiny sleeping outside.

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So I think I have no outside to ask my

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parents. That's my man. He said what?

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And I said like I talked to anybody. So

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one day I met you can bring them even the

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band. Uh that's me. And then when said

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I'm here to talk, he said they came in

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the house and my dad was really uh he was

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kinda procured by people won't come to your house being

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on the man. He said and talk to have

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a conversation. He said, I think your son

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is most of the young man is nice. Clean

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credit. Yes ma'am. No ma'am. Yes sir

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, No sir. And he said no, that's

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that's always good to him when I got him a

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job and I said, let's be opinion job is

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he coming? Every Sandy? It's A Good 10

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9 A Week. That's what the man said.

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Also, we'll move up the hand. Yes.

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And that's 100 days and we see this a couple

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days a week, couple two days we can see

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okay, I guess. Okay. That's funny because

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you want to get a special room because the big

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one was too big for me. So and I

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go there and he hadn't seen them. They kind

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of bubble. But Barbara was treating came training to

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build each other and to tickle so he ran the

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rest of him and his brother Sam. So I

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said okay then beat them. But then there's still

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across the street from him. Call johnson store.

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Yeah. Johnson is an older man. And his

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wife was his wife was we were your fragile.

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Johnson was about six ft 2. And yeah,

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and I was kind of like that Mr johnson,

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you got you got attention nick. But they still

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call him johnson's name. Mr Johnson. I say

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his name is Johnson. That's awfully$15 a week

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. So I think uh I can look for sam

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you know in those days and I can work for

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johnson. I love your face. But that's it

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. So I didn't tell my dad that. So

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I wouldn't work the same magic. I want to

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feel like, you know, fathers and Saturdays because

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they went open on Sundays because the blue laws in

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Virginia. So I mean there's a fine, he

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said. And skin sweeping everything. And he always

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wanted to just uh put johnson out of business because

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he was your competition right across the street. He

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would look funny for his competition. That's an older

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store. But it's nice frequent store. So Powerful

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saying for about three days where I can sneak over

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johnston and I work inside. Yeah. I said

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what what what what what kind of what I'm gonna

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do for him, johnson? He said well and

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we have you here, you can be my store

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security. That's the store security there. So keep

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your kids from putting stuff in the parking lot at

411
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that store. So we're about to embark around one

412
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day. And so I said to myself, I

413
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just I'm tired. So he he was my I

414
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came to the next saturday. It's like the bubbly

415
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, this big chill is like a big heart here

416
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. Big deal with the big arms and things and

417
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just say you're sorry thing you got make sure you're

418
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gonna be like you can go to sleep and leave

419
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him alone. So you have them let them let

420
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them have a person to sit. But you know

421
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, and in Hebrew and the papers are every saturday

422
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. How would you pay my announce? But I

423
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didn't have them. I get paid from seven.

424
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Actually get paid for Mr Johnson. So what was

425
00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:06.099 A:middle L:90%
your nickname? Oh you gotta beat businessman. A

426
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businessman, he said. So when I was growing

427
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on Sandy, we have the movies sand and we

428
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have one theater we could go to, it's called

429
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the Virginia Theatre. Was the one who called hinder

430
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street was his first street Warmack. You know how

431
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they have a bridge. The martin Luther king can

432
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get your statue there for students, colleagues become humorously

433
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and back in the day in games, rural areas

434
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. Some what I would do is that you have

435
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about my colleagues from my little job. So we

436
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get my knowledge for us for make up a bed

437
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and watching this and clean up. Come along and

438
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get the money from Mr necklace, getting money for

439
00:23:41.299 --> 00:23:45.230 A:middle L:90%
Mr johnson. I'm sad. And I was negotiated

440
00:23:45.230 --> 00:23:48.579 A:middle L:90%
deal with my dad. That's dad 10. Let's

441
00:23:48.609 --> 00:23:49.799 A:middle L:90%
make a deal with. He's so I think I'm

442
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gonna short in this deal, I'm gonna pay you

443
00:23:53.369 --> 00:23:55.490 A:middle L:90%
and said, you know, I want to go

444
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to the movies and have like this about five buddies

445
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in the neighborhood. I said there always have been

446
00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:02.630 A:middle L:90%
in Scout troops and they're saying they're telling you the

447
00:24:02.730 --> 00:24:07.559 A:middle L:90%
jukebox and stuffy, it's stinky. That's it.

448
00:24:07.140 --> 00:24:10.359 A:middle L:90%
There has been done. You want to go to

449
00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:12.480 A:middle L:90%
the movies? He said, mm my brothers,

450
00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:17.170 A:middle L:90%
one if you met me in in your neighborhood with

451
00:24:17.170 --> 00:24:18.289 A:middle L:90%
them with the car and members always kept a move

452
00:24:18.289 --> 00:24:22.460 A:middle L:90%
vehicle to, He said, so what I'm gonna

453
00:24:22.470 --> 00:24:25.809 A:middle L:90%
do something to give you$3.00 I guess. So

454
00:24:25.809 --> 00:24:29.569 A:middle L:90%
$3 mm Well to go to a million was only

455
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15 cents. So, but you see you're paying

456
00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:36.309 A:middle L:90%
for all your brothers. That's it. He was

457
00:24:36.309 --> 00:24:37.069 A:middle L:90%
always nice to play for anybody to go to the

458
00:24:37.069 --> 00:24:38.980 A:middle L:90%
means. I said, but we got to be

459
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there at 12:00 PMclock because that that she had been

460
00:24:42.130 --> 00:24:45.259 A:middle L:90%
working for an essay. You know, I'm not

461
00:24:45.259 --> 00:24:47.829 A:middle L:90%
walking in there. He said I'm not working for

462
00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:48.990 A:middle L:90%
building that working day. I said, yeah,

463
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I call them, tell them I'm sick today.

464
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So you say today, but then you can go

465
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to the movies today. That's what I said.

466
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That's all we do, is it? That's not

467
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the way you do with you guys. You got

468
00:25:00.650 --> 00:25:03.809 A:middle L:90%
to tell them what you gonna do because next thing

469
00:25:03.809 --> 00:25:07.460 A:middle L:90%
somebody having a job. So he let me go

470
00:25:07.460 --> 00:25:08.579 A:middle L:90%
to the store and tell him that. I want

471
00:25:08.579 --> 00:25:11.460 A:middle L:90%
to really say that I was about to movies.

472
00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:15.990 A:middle L:90%
So his napkins was gonna, he wouldn't, what

473
00:25:15.990 --> 00:25:18.470 A:middle L:90%
happened with both. Okay. But you just make

474
00:25:18.470 --> 00:25:21.529 A:middle L:90%
a one week and johnson was fine with it.

475
00:25:21.539 --> 00:25:22.769 A:middle L:90%
He said, when you go to the movies,

476
00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:26.230 A:middle L:90%
I think you don't got to build. He said

477
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.289 A:middle L:90%
, you mean you actually many, I know we

478
00:25:30.289 --> 00:25:33.819 A:middle L:90%
got many good movies. Why be extra 5?

479
00:25:33.819 --> 00:25:37.319 A:middle L:90%
Cause for one of your brothers, wow. So

480
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:41.779 A:middle L:90%
I have about$35. So Maria. Okay.

481
00:25:41.789 --> 00:25:44.359 A:middle L:90%
Panel on the car and one seat belt one across

482
00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:48.750 A:middle L:90%
about three of us. And what goes on in

483
00:25:48.750 --> 00:25:49.950 A:middle L:90%
the industry? So what you gonna do? So

484
00:25:49.950 --> 00:25:52.059 A:middle L:90%
there's a place on the interesting coach, charlie hot

485
00:25:52.059 --> 00:25:56.470 A:middle L:90%
dog hot dogs were five cents. We got hot

486
00:25:56.470 --> 00:25:59.450 A:middle L:90%
dogs and we got some your pop one about that

487
00:25:59.450 --> 00:26:02.269 A:middle L:90%
long. For a nickel. We ate, ate

488
00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:04.759 A:middle L:90%
, ate, ate we can eat anymore. Well

489
00:26:04.769 --> 00:26:08.190 A:middle L:90%
given the moon was fascinating. So everything was 10

490
00:26:08.190 --> 00:26:11.829 A:middle L:90%
cents a lot of the movie Go two million and

491
00:26:11.829 --> 00:26:15.650 A:middle L:90%
cyber 12. And when I was over sometimes therefore

492
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:18.660 A:middle L:90%
we see how becoming attractions and all the different things

493
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:22.609 A:middle L:90%
. one movie we could go to because then a

494
00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:26.509 A:middle L:90%
David downtown called american theater. Well what time you

495
00:26:26.509 --> 00:26:30.789 A:middle L:90%
can see african americans considering the balcony but then they

496
00:26:30.789 --> 00:26:33.519 A:middle L:90%
sit there and let him die in. The battle

497
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:40.509 A:middle L:90%
was closed. So they'll sign uh huh in medicine

498
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:41.910 A:middle L:90%
, why? It's in the main theater colour.

499
00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:49.250 A:middle L:90%
And exactly what year was this? This was 15

500
00:26:49.250 --> 00:26:55.390 A:middle L:90%
, about 15, about 60. So in number

501
00:26:55.390 --> 00:26:59.259 A:middle L:90%
61. But it is always, it's heartening to

502
00:26:59.269 --> 00:27:03.420 A:middle L:90%
see that. So we decided we have decided without

503
00:27:03.420 --> 00:27:06.680 A:middle L:90%
knowing without really knowing that we must spend my money

504
00:27:06.690 --> 00:27:10.019 A:middle L:90%
because when I met somebody felt welcome the law in

505
00:27:10.019 --> 00:27:11.349 A:middle L:90%
the theater at the Virginia Theatre, the only black

506
00:27:11.740 --> 00:27:18.670 A:middle L:90%
uh on Saturdays from 12 to about four, the

507
00:27:18.819 --> 00:27:23.880 A:middle L:90%
cartoons and uh long ranging all the good stuff that

508
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.890 A:middle L:90%
we want to seem. So you got to lose

509
00:27:26.890 --> 00:27:30.700 A:middle L:90%
on saturday and that's that that's how they function in

510
00:27:30.700 --> 00:27:34.670 A:middle L:90%
the in the 2nd and 3rd in the movie.

511
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:37.150 A:middle L:90%
But you don't even must go to me was a

512
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:42.130 A:middle L:90%
absolute treat for even for adults because the money was

513
00:27:42.140 --> 00:27:45.799 A:middle L:90%
hard to come by there. So making money.

514
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:47.970 A:middle L:90%
I was making a week. I was making as

515
00:27:47.970 --> 00:27:49.609 A:middle L:90%
much money as the most adults were then that my

516
00:27:49.609 --> 00:27:52.210 A:middle L:90%
dad said you know I got a lot of money

517
00:27:52.210 --> 00:27:53.609 A:middle L:90%
for a guy like you. I don't even let

518
00:27:53.609 --> 00:27:56.599 A:middle L:90%
me take them, but so much to the movies

519
00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:57.589 A:middle L:90%
with me and I put it and I have to

520
00:27:57.589 --> 00:28:00.079 A:middle L:90%
put it in the bank. You take him downtown

521
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.470 A:middle L:90%
. The first national exchange back when I first got

522
00:28:02.470 --> 00:28:04.990 A:middle L:90%
my first bank account and they want to do and

523
00:28:04.990 --> 00:28:10.000 A:middle L:90%
they gave us little toy banks but the combination on

524
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:11.430 A:middle L:90%
it I thought that was the coolest thing and said

525
00:28:11.430 --> 00:28:15.089 A:middle L:90%
that they make you want a safe. So it

526
00:28:15.089 --> 00:28:18.720 A:middle L:90%
was down to us and we see people on the

527
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:23.750 A:middle L:90%
buses and they were born love probably what people saw

528
00:28:23.750 --> 00:28:27.559 A:middle L:90%
in Alabama from the salmon lines. And then we

529
00:28:27.940 --> 00:28:30.289 A:middle L:90%
it depends like that doing the side but we didn't

530
00:28:30.289 --> 00:28:33.579 A:middle L:90%
ever think about the sound because we didn't have any

531
00:28:33.579 --> 00:28:37.609 A:middle L:90%
of those civilians the marches to protest. Yeah it

532
00:28:37.609 --> 00:28:41.019 A:middle L:90%
is kind of silent protest because people just spend their

533
00:28:41.019 --> 00:28:45.420 A:middle L:90%
money in other places. We would spend our money

534
00:28:45.430 --> 00:28:48.460 A:middle L:90%
the person we want to welcome and people in downtown

535
00:28:48.470 --> 00:28:51.009 A:middle L:90%
to go go shop at the A. M.

536
00:28:51.009 --> 00:28:52.619 A:middle L:90%
P. Or the liquor mac. Then the downtown

537
00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:59.660 A:middle L:90%
city market. Um you see hundreds of people down

538
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:00.789 A:middle L:90%
. And the only thing, especially at the M

539
00:29:00.789 --> 00:29:03.660 A:middle L:90%
. P. Uh and I almost I was wondering

540
00:29:03.789 --> 00:29:07.430 A:middle L:90%
is different, what's the mp? That's what's the

541
00:29:07.430 --> 00:29:08.930 A:middle L:90%
M. P. And so my dad said,

542
00:29:08.930 --> 00:29:11.509 A:middle L:90%
looking at my mom, dad said, you know

543
00:29:11.509 --> 00:29:12.839 A:middle L:90%
, word look it up. If you do nothing

544
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.279 A:middle L:90%
, look what I'm saying. So I found the

545
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:18.559 A:middle L:90%
Mp and other people, you know, even to

546
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:22.559 A:middle L:90%
this day it's the great atlantic and pacific tea company

547
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.950 A:middle L:90%
. They won was subsidiary thing. It was the

548
00:29:25.950 --> 00:29:27.970 A:middle L:90%
Mp was a food store and they and they were

549
00:29:27.970 --> 00:29:33.769 A:middle L:90%
always located in the multi communities and they don't care

550
00:29:33.769 --> 00:29:37.809 A:middle L:90%
where the diamonds came from. All they were interested

551
00:29:37.809 --> 00:29:41.740 A:middle L:90%
in green. So the downtown was not really a

552
00:29:41.740 --> 00:29:44.940 A:middle L:90%
minority community but a lot of not just shot there

553
00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:48.049 A:middle L:90%
and feel comfortable there. They didn't try along like

554
00:29:48.049 --> 00:29:51.369 A:middle L:90%
you're going to steal something. He went down there

555
00:29:51.369 --> 00:29:52.769 A:middle L:90%
and you shop and then for the ninth street called

556
00:29:52.769 --> 00:29:56.420 A:middle L:90%
the fourth and fish market. You got you in

557
00:29:56.420 --> 00:30:00.349 A:middle L:90%
new york city because they had fish with the heads

558
00:30:00.349 --> 00:30:02.720 A:middle L:90%
running the house on. They cut the first like

559
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:06.319 A:middle L:90%
you know they had a machine and I may have

560
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.380 A:middle L:90%
found out was the first machine that are being um

561
00:30:08.390 --> 00:30:11.700 A:middle L:90%
Most people think that IBM you think computers, the

562
00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:15.079 A:middle L:90%
first machine that have been made that millions of dollars

563
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.990 A:middle L:90%
on was a meat slicer and I don't understand international

564
00:30:18.990 --> 00:30:22.990 A:middle L:90%
business machine. That was the business machine. And

565
00:30:22.990 --> 00:30:25.349 A:middle L:90%
I hope you know he said Mikey, he said

566
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.130 A:middle L:90%
my hand about how about tomorrow night and I think

567
00:30:27.130 --> 00:30:32.119 A:middle L:90%
you might like that. And they said the gaze

568
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:33.920 A:middle L:90%
in and run, the blonde blonde came in.

569
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.109 A:middle L:90%
Those bomb come in packs, you can go with

570
00:30:37.109 --> 00:30:40.480 A:middle L:90%
this one and they love mama and this slice it

571
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:44.019 A:middle L:90%
slice it and my dad's let's say, I think

572
00:30:44.019 --> 00:30:45.490 A:middle L:90%
that's pretty Yeah. And we get a whole pack

573
00:30:45.490 --> 00:30:49.170 A:middle L:90%
of blankets and they put on a white bitches paper

574
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:53.250 A:middle L:90%
. Sometimes they slice it and maybe we have to

575
00:30:53.250 --> 00:30:57.829 A:middle L:90%
abide by the role love bologna and cheese the same

576
00:30:57.829 --> 00:31:02.140 A:middle L:90%
way to switch. You are not switches but you

577
00:31:02.140 --> 00:31:03.259 A:middle L:90%
know, again I remind you got she's got home

578
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.380 A:middle L:90%
Malcolm's 10 years. Does you know what those holes

579
00:31:07.380 --> 00:31:08.720 A:middle L:90%
came from? Not here has a noise here.

580
00:31:08.910 --> 00:31:12.019 A:middle L:90%
That's believe it the trying times for a while.

581
00:31:12.029 --> 00:31:15.490 A:middle L:90%
But that's not to play arrest not being there because

582
00:31:15.490 --> 00:31:19.269 A:middle L:90%
I also went after cheese. So back in democracy

583
00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:23.430 A:middle L:90%
. Mm hmm. Problems with but we go down

584
00:31:23.430 --> 00:31:30.390 A:middle L:90%
there and get the money chief hand fish Turkey.

585
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:32.200 A:middle L:90%
That was the big, that was the big thing

586
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:36.700 A:middle L:90%
because they go downtown. You felt welcome. He

587
00:31:36.700 --> 00:31:40.109 A:middle L:90%
had mobility Brooke and in the promised market, people

588
00:31:40.109 --> 00:31:42.930 A:middle L:90%
coming from north and south Carolina to sell the canucks

589
00:31:42.930 --> 00:31:47.859 A:middle L:90%
visit summertime, Kamloops, water moon pears, apples

590
00:31:47.869 --> 00:31:51.609 A:middle L:90%
. And then my man on that mountain. So

591
00:31:51.609 --> 00:31:52.910 A:middle L:90%
my dad knew apples, but we would never buy

592
00:31:52.910 --> 00:31:56.319 A:middle L:90%
apples because we want to not get our apples were

593
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.220 A:middle L:90%
running. So he's got a good times, bad

594
00:32:00.220 --> 00:32:05.690 A:middle L:90%
times because they tend, because people feel most long

595
00:32:05.690 --> 00:32:07.869 A:middle L:90%
, long, you can't transcend it that the race

596
00:32:07.869 --> 00:32:10.170 A:middle L:90%
bearing and show them around and make sure desire because

597
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:14.700 A:middle L:90%
sometimes we didn't go, I guess because we never

598
00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:17.130 A:middle L:90%
, we had called the names just because you know

599
00:32:17.170 --> 00:32:20.980 A:middle L:90%
, people come to our movie, but sometimes call

600
00:32:20.980 --> 00:32:22.430 A:middle L:90%
me, let's get any wrong thing to do because

601
00:32:22.430 --> 00:32:27.140 A:middle L:90%
these kids come out and on the bicycles who cost

602
00:32:27.140 --> 00:32:30.170 A:middle L:90%
any olympic, Oh man. We'll be doing like

603
00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:32.039 A:middle L:90%
once or twice you get once and got away with

604
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:35.880 A:middle L:90%
it the next time they did that we saw him

605
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.240 A:middle L:90%
coming. But I said we got part of this

606
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.460 A:middle L:90%
rocks and stones, that dog sit down on everything

607
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:44.759 A:middle L:90%
. But there's only those, one of the few

608
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:49.009 A:middle L:90%
times that we've had mm nation around because again,

609
00:32:49.009 --> 00:32:52.299 A:middle L:90%
and I think it was totally anybody, Well,

610
00:32:52.299 --> 00:32:57.759 A:middle L:90%
as many caucasian as we had in the news because

611
00:32:57.759 --> 00:32:59.950 A:middle L:90%
some of those people are there also, they felt

612
00:32:59.950 --> 00:33:01.720 A:middle L:90%
like they were stuck curriculum. You can visit them

613
00:33:01.730 --> 00:33:04.789 A:middle L:90%
. The boomer. Some of the older people have

614
00:33:04.789 --> 00:33:07.210 A:middle L:90%
grandparents, probably great grandparents, but some women that

615
00:33:07.220 --> 00:33:10.640 A:middle L:90%
say 2,000,008, 19 years old, it's about four

616
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:15.009 A:middle L:90%
years old is old. But remember for is maybe

617
00:33:15.019 --> 00:33:17.250 A:middle L:90%
reflected late 40s and 50s. Well I was talking

618
00:33:17.250 --> 00:33:22.230 A:middle L:90%
with, we play with the kids. I was

619
00:33:22.230 --> 00:33:25.349 A:middle L:90%
the newspaper of the newspaper boy for two years.

620
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:31.500 A:middle L:90%
So uh, my birthday christmas, you know,

621
00:33:31.509 --> 00:33:34.789 A:middle L:90%
how does that give me extra money or give me

622
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:37.599 A:middle L:90%
, give me a dress and stuff. So it

623
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:38.859 A:middle L:90%
was a good times. This was a good time

624
00:33:38.859 --> 00:33:42.160 A:middle L:90%
. Bad time. Good time because the way that

625
00:33:42.170 --> 00:33:44.890 A:middle L:90%
we were treated in our own neighborhood, bad time

626
00:33:44.890 --> 00:33:47.720 A:middle L:90%
because we were treated outside our neighborhood and we were

627
00:33:47.730 --> 00:33:51.059 A:middle L:90%
being in the treasury. I grabbed his arm was

628
00:33:51.059 --> 00:33:52.700 A:middle L:90%
out, was out. But it is a place

629
00:33:52.700 --> 00:33:57.430 A:middle L:90%
we can always go and school. Uh, school

630
00:33:57.430 --> 00:34:00.289 A:middle L:90%
called loud in school. I'm glad monument. I'll

631
00:34:00.289 --> 00:34:02.460 A:middle L:90%
be thinking there was no bus and investors that design

632
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:06.650 A:middle L:90%
. Well, uh huh. I'm worth more than

633
00:34:06.650 --> 00:34:09.449 A:middle L:90%
one. From one through six. Well nine school

634
00:34:09.460 --> 00:34:12.769 A:middle L:90%
was when it was used to be, people say

635
00:34:12.769 --> 00:34:15.519 A:middle L:90%
used to be uh, a hospital. It was

636
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.230 A:middle L:90%
in the hospital. It was the hospital able to

637
00:34:17.230 --> 00:34:21.500 A:middle L:90%
call Bull Memorial Hospital for one hospital that we could

638
00:34:21.500 --> 00:34:24.670 A:middle L:90%
go to. And the school and we had several

639
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:28.130 A:middle L:90%
uh, excuse, we could get the ones that

640
00:34:28.139 --> 00:34:32.300 A:middle L:90%
live in school on long navigation Harrison school give my

641
00:34:32.300 --> 00:34:37.000 A:middle L:90%
school gangs bro. And looking test that was written

642
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.750 A:middle L:90%
in the black neighborhoods so we could go to and

643
00:34:39.750 --> 00:34:43.860 A:middle L:90%
I went to Loudon the beautiful school people, white

644
00:34:43.860 --> 00:34:45.730 A:middle L:90%
school blowing the claim was born and never been here

645
00:34:45.739 --> 00:34:47.519 A:middle L:90%
. Big, big thing for us was walking to

646
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:51.420 A:middle L:90%
school because there was no buses where the only best

647
00:34:51.420 --> 00:34:53.239 A:middle L:90%
whatever city buses, the kids from the county.

648
00:34:53.250 --> 00:34:55.539 A:middle L:90%
You know what we're talking about. Kind of the

649
00:34:55.550 --> 00:34:59.300 A:middle L:90%
ugly ugly banana buses. We've come, all you

650
00:34:59.300 --> 00:35:00.869 A:middle L:90%
want is rugby banana buses. We hate those things

651
00:35:00.869 --> 00:35:04.289 A:middle L:90%
because they were real mom. I was just so

652
00:35:04.289 --> 00:35:07.139 A:middle L:90%
scared. Right? And then the black kids will

653
00:35:07.139 --> 00:35:08.170 A:middle L:90%
bust the black school that will go right past the

654
00:35:08.170 --> 00:35:13.269 A:middle L:90%
high school most close to them Well. But sometimes

655
00:35:13.269 --> 00:35:16.820 A:middle L:90%
three or 4 miles away could black school. The

656
00:35:16.829 --> 00:35:20.010 A:middle L:90%
thing that was bothering me was, and I was

657
00:35:20.019 --> 00:35:22.699 A:middle L:90%
conscious than that because you see, I'm thinking like

658
00:35:22.710 --> 00:35:25.170 A:middle L:90%
why did you go to your school? Because my

659
00:35:25.170 --> 00:35:30.170 A:middle L:90%
parents didn't because she said like and why don't mix

660
00:35:31.139 --> 00:35:36.210 A:middle L:90%
? That's what jimmy is my friend day and we

661
00:35:36.210 --> 00:35:38.900 A:middle L:90%
live with lenses today. But kids before you got

662
00:35:38.900 --> 00:35:44.300 A:middle L:90%
10 kids in the room, what's the parents?

663
00:35:44.739 --> 00:35:46.130 A:middle L:90%
Those kids were communists. They find a ball or

664
00:35:46.130 --> 00:35:49.269 A:middle L:90%
truck or something. Only when they fight them.

665
00:35:49.269 --> 00:35:51.809 A:middle L:90%
They want the same toy. But then look at

666
00:35:51.809 --> 00:35:53.340 A:middle L:90%
the color of skin. You're always in the same

667
00:35:53.340 --> 00:35:57.539 A:middle L:90%
way like King said, content of character. The

668
00:35:57.550 --> 00:36:00.179 A:middle L:90%
first thing you say, hi, you got kids

669
00:36:00.190 --> 00:36:02.619 A:middle L:90%
when I was in the belt man. What people

670
00:36:02.619 --> 00:36:06.869 A:middle L:90%
ask my kids how you got kids who are your

671
00:36:06.869 --> 00:36:08.039 A:middle L:90%
kids. All they wanna do is get the kids

672
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:10.059 A:middle L:90%
off the program. You can, what it looks

673
00:36:10.059 --> 00:36:14.420 A:middle L:90%
like when you're kidding the board or whatever. So

674
00:36:14.429 --> 00:36:16.889 A:middle L:90%
kids playing uh you even have a very valuable lesson

675
00:36:16.900 --> 00:36:22.099 A:middle L:90%
because they didn't care about policy payments are the ones

676
00:36:22.099 --> 00:36:23.860 A:middle L:90%
who influenced him. Don't touch them, don't don't

677
00:36:23.860 --> 00:36:27.960 A:middle L:90%
go with them. Don't they told him what matter

678
00:36:28.630 --> 00:36:30.090 A:middle L:90%
? Is this it? No, it's not sick

679
00:36:30.099 --> 00:36:31.920 A:middle L:90%
. Why not? I wonder why you can't come

680
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:35.460 A:middle L:90%
up with a dr answer. And other than that

681
00:36:35.469 --> 00:36:37.590 A:middle L:90%
he's a different, she's a different color and that

682
00:36:37.590 --> 00:36:42.849 A:middle L:90%
was saying that and that was for years that the

683
00:36:42.849 --> 00:36:46.719 A:middle L:90%
color would rub off and that I heard for a

684
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:52.170 A:middle L:90%
lot of years I'm thinking like so me and you

685
00:36:52.170 --> 00:36:53.900 A:middle L:90%
know our restaurant was the church because we could go

686
00:36:53.909 --> 00:36:59.750 A:middle L:90%
to two scouting memories. Never had responsible one.

687
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:01.840 A:middle L:90%
And then the colorado there there is no too late

688
00:37:01.849 --> 00:37:06.840 A:middle L:90%
than National Scout Boy Scouts Association. There's no too

689
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.070 A:middle L:90%
late kind of convenient. You know our neighborhood was

690
00:37:09.070 --> 00:37:12.409 A:middle L:90%
rather behind us where we need if we want to

691
00:37:12.409 --> 00:37:15.500 A:middle L:90%
go to a jamboree what's up cookies, tens of

692
00:37:15.500 --> 00:37:20.099 A:middle L:90%
cookies, crispy cream doughnut was probably the premier uh

693
00:37:20.110 --> 00:37:22.969 A:middle L:90%
, sponsor and that's why I love chris green today

694
00:37:22.969 --> 00:37:23.960 A:middle L:90%
. I thought people you know history christmas green.

695
00:37:24.329 --> 00:37:29.639 A:middle L:90%
Well I was elementary school and cups comes with,

696
00:37:30.329 --> 00:37:32.880 A:middle L:90%
they get fundraisers. We said doesn't burn us with

697
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:37.150 A:middle L:90%
me but 87 I would give it was real cheap

698
00:37:37.829 --> 00:37:40.739 A:middle L:90%
hot oil burners and people back home We have like

699
00:37:40.739 --> 00:37:45.480 A:middle L:90%
about 30 cents programs, high school in Virginia.

700
00:37:46.130 --> 00:37:50.880 A:middle L:90%
We went to Canada in Chicago and you are protected

701
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:55.260 A:middle L:90%
because of crispy cream. Mm good. And yourself

702
00:37:55.260 --> 00:37:58.949 A:middle L:90%
christian came to us to the neighborhood. We're not

703
00:37:58.949 --> 00:38:01.820 A:middle L:90%
going there. Excuse me Miss bazooka. Uh how

704
00:38:01.849 --> 00:38:05.219 A:middle L:90%
can you do? How much we got? We

705
00:38:05.219 --> 00:38:07.329 A:middle L:90%
got that can finish it. How much are they

706
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:09.599 A:middle L:90%
? A dollar. Okay give me two boxes.

707
00:38:09.610 --> 00:38:13.250 A:middle L:90%
That's where I went on the basket on the basket

708
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.289 A:middle L:90%
And I said I'm doing this because you think number

709
00:38:15.289 --> 00:38:17.840 A:middle L:90%
seven. Okay. Like how much is it?

710
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.869 A:middle L:90%
Yeah it was something because well then you know that

711
00:38:22.869 --> 00:38:27.769 A:middle L:90%
was our neighborhood and that's our community. People stayed

712
00:38:27.769 --> 00:38:30.389 A:middle L:90%
there till they die. Mm And then the houses

713
00:38:30.389 --> 00:38:35.260 A:middle L:90%
got so then african merchants came in because the houses

714
00:38:35.260 --> 00:38:38.579 A:middle L:90%
remains houses they were in this housing someone older houses

715
00:38:38.590 --> 00:38:42.639 A:middle L:90%
we'll take care of but now has a romantic your

716
00:38:42.730 --> 00:38:46.289 A:middle L:90%
iron man at this time. And they were they

717
00:38:46.289 --> 00:38:51.099 A:middle L:90%
were really really uh proud of that in the neighborhood

718
00:38:51.110 --> 00:38:52.590 A:middle L:90%
, proud of the hatches And we ate more italian

719
00:38:52.590 --> 00:38:57.710 A:middle L:90%
food and drink food and I had back Levar I

720
00:38:57.710 --> 00:39:00.679 A:middle L:90%
had all kinds of different food with every ethnic group

721
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:05.079 A:middle L:90%
in there except chinese. Because you know in the

722
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.699 A:middle L:90%
movies when they're the mother start cooking it was like

723
00:39:07.710 --> 00:39:10.139 A:middle L:90%
uh the numbers for the Yankees there. Huh.

724
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:14.900 A:middle L:90%
And that mr malhotra was greek and she noticed the

725
00:39:14.900 --> 00:39:16.869 A:middle L:90%
baklava. Well yeah just kind of, what is

726
00:39:16.869 --> 00:39:20.840 A:middle L:90%
that? I said I said that I just got

727
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.360 A:middle L:90%
some baklava said no it's back up and we come

728
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:28.530 A:middle L:90%
home and say almost joseph and James said something joe

729
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.170 A:middle L:90%
joe was addressed it so and gathered next to him

730
00:39:31.170 --> 00:39:36.659 A:middle L:90%
looking pudgy. He was polish and we don't think

731
00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:38.650 A:middle L:90%
about the polish sausage we love because it's uncle to

732
00:39:38.650 --> 00:39:44.019 A:middle L:90%
come in there and build this polish sausage and the

733
00:39:44.030 --> 00:39:46.289 A:middle L:90%
early no branch has been like that one because that

734
00:39:46.289 --> 00:39:51.320 A:middle L:90%
was and that was fun because more of the gas

735
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:52.590 A:middle L:90%
. Okay come on man. Did you come back

736
00:39:52.590 --> 00:39:57.349 A:middle L:90%
to it? People the church, But when they

737
00:39:57.349 --> 00:40:01.449 A:middle L:90%
came there there's all white, black greek, italian

738
00:40:01.460 --> 00:40:07.619 A:middle L:90%
a second. Mhm Yeah, because that word we

739
00:40:07.619 --> 00:40:09.820 A:middle L:90%
said, we drink out of the chalice. This

740
00:40:09.820 --> 00:40:13.559 A:middle L:90%
challenge, this is a simple challenge. Her mother

741
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.380 A:middle L:90%
drinks are the same, same covers. Mm Okay

742
00:40:17.389 --> 00:40:21.869 A:middle L:90%
, let me say, is that not to modernize

743
00:40:21.929 --> 00:40:22.539 A:middle L:90%
? I'm never going to get the service. And

744
00:40:22.539 --> 00:40:25.989 A:middle L:90%
I said, you know, silver actually cleanses jams

745
00:40:27.329 --> 00:40:30.659 A:middle L:90%
that up yourself and say no. I said yes

746
00:40:30.670 --> 00:40:34.610 A:middle L:90%
. Yeah. And they take them out. That's

747
00:40:34.610 --> 00:40:36.909 A:middle L:90%
it. I don't think it's real wine is not

748
00:40:36.909 --> 00:40:37.519 A:middle L:90%
great juices, real wine. They were like,

749
00:40:37.530 --> 00:40:43.210 A:middle L:90%
okay. And I even I got older, I

750
00:40:43.210 --> 00:40:45.880 A:middle L:90%
was wrong and I arrived at my church. Well

751
00:40:45.889 --> 00:40:47.269 A:middle L:90%
that's um that's what we talk about it. You

752
00:40:47.269 --> 00:40:50.320 A:middle L:90%
know, they have received the bread and wine.

753
00:40:50.329 --> 00:40:52.780 A:middle L:90%
It's real wine. Mhm. He's on a van

754
00:40:52.780 --> 00:40:55.030 A:middle L:90%
Gogh churches us, it what do you mean?

755
00:40:57.110 --> 00:41:00.510 A:middle L:90%
He said, I'm a recovering alcoholic, and I

756
00:41:00.510 --> 00:41:02.130 A:middle L:90%
think that that I said, you know what,

757
00:41:05.309 --> 00:41:07.030 A:middle L:90%
maybe you dip it, maybe it's different, that's

758
00:41:07.030 --> 00:41:09.559 A:middle L:90%
because and I thought my encounter, I know I

759
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:13.510 A:middle L:90%
felt going to bother us because we're coming at college

760
00:41:13.510 --> 00:41:15.469 A:middle L:90%
, no more than one drink away from being back

761
00:41:15.469 --> 00:41:16.130 A:middle L:90%
on it, you know, that's the only way

762
00:41:16.130 --> 00:41:20.199 A:middle L:90%
. And ultimately, I'm saying, wow, I

763
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:23.820 A:middle L:90%
thought aware, but I appreciate it and why,

764
00:41:24.510 --> 00:41:29.639 A:middle L:90%
and you know that our neighborhood was this thing epitome

765
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:31.320 A:middle L:90%
of what neighborhood should be and how they should function

766
00:41:31.809 --> 00:41:34.820 A:middle L:90%
. The neighborhood can get it as a neighborhood.

767
00:41:35.610 --> 00:41:37.469 A:middle L:90%
The parents of the time, you said the church

768
00:41:37.469 --> 00:41:40.389 A:middle L:90%
was in your backyard behind me, It was one

769
00:41:40.389 --> 00:41:43.500 A:middle L:90%
thing to be divided. The church for me was

770
00:41:43.500 --> 00:41:45.110 A:middle L:90%
one, it was an alley, and I looked

771
00:41:45.110 --> 00:41:49.110 A:middle L:90%
at the input can pick up alcohol, right,

772
00:41:49.110 --> 00:41:51.440 A:middle L:90%
Kirsten Alley? And I was on the church grounds

773
00:41:51.909 --> 00:41:54.940 A:middle L:90%
. Was it in a church building in ST louis

774
00:41:54.940 --> 00:42:00.929 A:middle L:90%
was just uh, is now uh daycare. Yeah

775
00:42:00.940 --> 00:42:02.280 A:middle L:90%
. And they've got to be one of the first

776
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:06.690 A:middle L:90%
one, The first one is the church and the

777
00:42:06.690 --> 00:42:08.590 A:middle L:90%
other one they built subsequently. So that was the

778
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:12.269 A:middle L:90%
which is now the daycare. But all of that

779
00:42:12.269 --> 00:42:14.989 A:middle L:90%
was were playing and playing when we had a basketball

780
00:42:14.989 --> 00:42:17.519 A:middle L:90%
growing up here that I love the church. Put

781
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:22.090 A:middle L:90%
that up or not. Basketball, basketball going in

782
00:42:22.090 --> 00:42:23.750 A:middle L:90%
my football place. We play football during the meeting

783
00:42:23.809 --> 00:42:28.360 A:middle L:90%
meeting meeting on Grayson Man because it from the street

784
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.480 A:middle L:90%
was gross and avenue and the back was Yeah,

785
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.090 A:middle L:90%
I mean when the baby was boulevard, because if

786
00:42:34.090 --> 00:42:36.000 A:middle L:90%
I would walk still out there and then he took

787
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:37.380 A:middle L:90%
me three minutes to get the church, I could

788
00:42:37.380 --> 00:42:40.780 A:middle L:90%
get up to instantly about quarter eight and I will

789
00:42:40.780 --> 00:42:45.139 A:middle L:90%
be church. They're not so happy just as well

790
00:42:45.139 --> 00:42:46.320 A:middle L:90%
. Have been acting like, uh we got the

791
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:50.039 A:middle L:90%
act like they oh man. And let's end up

792
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.769 A:middle L:90%
being teenagers. And we got probably and drinking real

793
00:42:52.769 --> 00:42:54.869 A:middle L:90%
100 that said mom's okay. I'll let you stay

794
00:42:54.869 --> 00:42:58.980 A:middle L:90%
out. You got to go to church and we

795
00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:00.329 A:middle L:90%
did that. But that's, that's the only thing

796
00:43:00.329 --> 00:43:02.829 A:middle L:90%
to divide it. The church must have used to

797
00:43:02.829 --> 00:43:07.539 A:middle L:90%
camp out. They have tents. Mom said a

798
00:43:07.550 --> 00:43:09.860 A:middle L:90%
scotch would be careful and I had to uh,

799
00:43:09.869 --> 00:43:13.099 A:middle L:90%
so they can I got finally got tense. He

800
00:43:13.099 --> 00:43:15.579 A:middle L:90%
was, he was the most industrious man. He

801
00:43:15.579 --> 00:43:17.719 A:middle L:90%
was like my Gara. He came one stuff and

802
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:21.670 A:middle L:90%
he'd get get anybody to do anything about. Got

803
00:43:21.670 --> 00:43:22.050 A:middle L:90%
some clubs, guys, we need to get some

804
00:43:22.050 --> 00:43:24.630 A:middle L:90%
attention this and he went down to a place that's

805
00:43:24.630 --> 00:43:27.590 A:middle L:90%
so intense and they gave us the 10 for the

806
00:43:27.590 --> 00:43:30.679 A:middle L:90%
weekend, right? We stayed intense. That's a

807
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:32.769 A:middle L:90%
big thing camping out because I'm about 50 ft from

808
00:43:32.780 --> 00:43:36.539 A:middle L:90%
from my back door. But we had and some

809
00:43:36.550 --> 00:43:38.119 A:middle L:90%
this one guy wanted me to stay with his son

810
00:43:38.130 --> 00:43:40.130 A:middle L:90%
because he had this 10. I got a 10

811
00:43:42.099 --> 00:43:44.139 A:middle L:90%
. I hope that they could be here. He

812
00:43:44.139 --> 00:43:45.510 A:middle L:90%
tasted like it was some of the worst are staying

813
00:43:46.099 --> 00:43:47.690 A:middle L:90%
. Well he had a tent that he brought from

814
00:43:47.690 --> 00:43:52.150 A:middle L:90%
more and more to and having this basement out of

815
00:43:52.150 --> 00:43:53.659 A:middle L:90%
the temple was awful. Yes. You know like

816
00:43:53.670 --> 00:43:55.690 A:middle L:90%
, you know, it's gonna get once you tied

817
00:43:55.789 --> 00:43:58.949 A:middle L:90%
the knot with 10. Well, I think that

818
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:00.909 A:middle L:90%
I can think of. So you guys came out

819
00:44:00.909 --> 00:44:04.190 A:middle L:90%
here and I knocked on the back door. My

820
00:44:04.190 --> 00:44:06.349 A:middle L:90%
parents came by. My dad mom came to this

821
00:44:06.349 --> 00:44:09.590 A:middle L:90%
is it. Hello camper. I can't stand the

822
00:44:09.590 --> 00:44:14.699 A:middle L:90%
10 mistakes just within here. I said that he

823
00:44:14.699 --> 00:44:16.250 A:middle L:90%
was a Pink Tech. I would say that's a

824
00:44:16.250 --> 00:44:19.510 A:middle L:90%
big 10 states all the time with this, you

825
00:44:19.510 --> 00:44:22.909 A:middle L:90%
know, check it. Can can there be So

826
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:24.750 A:middle L:90%
I said Chucky Chucky Patterson Danny and we stand at

827
00:44:24.750 --> 00:44:28.429 A:middle L:90%
10. He's gonna I don't trust anyone. The

828
00:44:28.429 --> 00:44:30.099 A:middle L:90%
other times. That's ok. We'll do it.

829
00:44:30.099 --> 00:44:30.940 A:middle L:90%
But that's it. You're getting up, you're gonna

830
00:44:30.940 --> 00:44:34.579 A:middle L:90%
see. But your next one business. I think

831
00:44:34.590 --> 00:44:37.980 A:middle L:90%
I'm coming up. So he's got the last night

832
00:44:37.989 --> 00:44:39.860 A:middle L:90%
except Ryan all the last night. The bananas on

833
00:44:39.860 --> 00:44:43.409 A:middle L:90%
the bus. I had everything. He had scars

834
00:44:43.409 --> 00:44:45.230 A:middle L:90%
and I was a close call from right. I

835
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.059 A:middle L:90%
went back over as I step in the tent with

836
00:44:47.070 --> 00:44:51.250 A:middle L:90%
other people. I said they check it was stepped

837
00:44:51.250 --> 00:44:52.050 A:middle L:90%
up and said he was he was crying because he

838
00:44:52.050 --> 00:44:54.769 A:middle L:90%
slipped into. But it was thinking so the next

839
00:44:54.769 --> 00:44:59.780 A:middle L:90%
morning. Mhm. We make a campfire right there

840
00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:01.659 A:middle L:90%
. She didn't supervise everything they can find. Who

841
00:45:01.659 --> 00:45:04.159 A:middle L:90%
do you have? Really? Rose? Yeah.

842
00:45:04.170 --> 00:45:06.610 A:middle L:90%
Well some works for him. We've been hot dogs

843
00:45:06.610 --> 00:45:08.670 A:middle L:90%
and I did mother was loving or make her some

844
00:45:08.670 --> 00:45:12.460 A:middle L:90%
small ones, but I've never had someone should get

845
00:45:12.460 --> 00:45:15.300 A:middle L:90%
these graham crackers rehearsal bar with the marshmallow when we

846
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:19.300 A:middle L:90%
put on my own with that kind of remark O'Hagan's

847
00:45:19.789 --> 00:45:22.500 A:middle L:90%
and want to make money. Yeah, it was

848
00:45:22.500 --> 00:45:24.000 A:middle L:90%
the best thing I ever had. Or did you

849
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:30.000 A:middle L:90%
see ginger snaps and apple cider? Every couch is

850
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.309 A:middle L:90%
coming and we had some snacks. They were just

851
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:37.309 A:middle L:90%
absolutely just, well we've never had before. So

852
00:45:37.889 --> 00:45:40.699 A:middle L:90%
she was, she was the wife of your dentist

853
00:45:40.710 --> 00:45:45.150 A:middle L:90%
. And were they african american? Yes, that

854
00:45:45.150 --> 00:45:50.210 A:middle L:90%
loan was Pump one of the best dentist in Ronald

855
00:45:50.789 --> 00:45:52.599 A:middle L:90%
And I would never say that because he could,

856
00:45:52.610 --> 00:45:57.059 A:middle L:90%
most things wouldn't put up 2000 abscess. He put

857
00:45:57.059 --> 00:46:00.050 A:middle L:90%
2000 websites and get a gig. What did your

858
00:46:00.050 --> 00:46:01.510 A:middle L:90%
father did? My father worked for Epilepsy and Power

859
00:46:01.510 --> 00:46:08.039 A:middle L:90%
Company. He stand off in the 50's in the

860
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:13.630 A:middle L:90%
garage, he didn't want the mechanic in me.

861
00:46:13.630 --> 00:46:15.070 A:middle L:90%
But when he did he was in charge of the

862
00:46:15.070 --> 00:46:17.280 A:middle L:90%
vehicles and they watched the we didn't make sure they

863
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.760 A:middle L:90%
would maintain but because of him. But all these

864
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:22.650 A:middle L:90%
were the president of the company, the vice president

865
00:46:22.650 --> 00:46:24.750 A:middle L:90%
executive and put all the people on them. These

866
00:46:24.750 --> 00:46:28.969 A:middle L:90%
are the offices of the Appalachian rano. So who's

867
00:46:28.980 --> 00:46:31.340 A:middle L:90%
uh it wasn't in charge of first but then later

868
00:46:31.340 --> 00:46:35.550 A:middle L:90%
on he became in charge of the whole garage.

869
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.139 A:middle L:90%
Then he became a fleet service manager. Uh This

870
00:46:38.139 --> 00:46:42.639 A:middle L:90%
article written about him point before he um mom before

871
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:44.960 A:middle L:90%
he passed he was gonna be, was the first

872
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:51.500 A:middle L:90%
african american that was was elevated to management john terry

873
00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:57.320 A:middle L:90%
and you have a some great education. He's determined

874
00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:58.699 A:middle L:90%
he's gonna get his G. E. D.

875
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:01.210 A:middle L:90%
He was 65 when you complete the G. D

876
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.099 A:middle L:90%
. And at that time he were about the high

877
00:47:05.099 --> 00:47:07.769 A:middle L:90%
schools that was made in the state of Virginia and

878
00:47:07.769 --> 00:47:12.170 A:middle L:90%
then you took college courses and associate the way The

879
00:47:12.170 --> 00:47:15.820 A:middle L:90%
whole time he is 9 to play the guitar guitar

880
00:47:15.820 --> 00:47:17.090 A:middle L:90%
lessons and told himself with them and then they go

881
00:47:17.090 --> 00:47:23.650 A:middle L:90%
down lessons on playing guitar keyboards. Um the G

882
00:47:23.650 --> 00:47:27.460 A:middle L:90%
. D. All the same year. I was

883
00:47:27.460 --> 00:47:30.780 A:middle L:90%
like God I believe it's easy studying, are you

884
00:47:30.780 --> 00:47:32.559 A:middle L:90%
playing like that? We'll be playing every studying playing

885
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:37.039 A:middle L:90%
the same time but and mama's uh she was in

886
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.409 A:middle L:90%
the living Ohio long time of the Youngstown University.

887
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:44.909 A:middle L:90%
Mhm. And my mom is uh my pension unique

888
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:45.809 A:middle L:90%
because they would let us, they never had a

889
00:47:45.809 --> 00:47:50.099 A:middle L:90%
bedtime for you know, so the bedtime now I

890
00:47:50.099 --> 00:47:52.989 A:middle L:90%
was to have been made to every, every summer

891
00:47:52.780 --> 00:47:57.090 A:middle L:90%
the family took one for vacation. We went to

892
00:47:57.090 --> 00:47:59.900 A:middle L:90%
the world's fair, we don't have any more in

893
00:47:59.900 --> 00:48:02.670 A:middle L:90%
the 1965 or 66 because that was something that they

894
00:48:02.670 --> 00:48:07.289 A:middle L:90%
had the riots up in new york and Harland but

895
00:48:07.969 --> 00:48:10.179 A:middle L:90%
her sister's and guns giving young son around so she

896
00:48:10.179 --> 00:48:12.940 A:middle L:90%
could go, we go back at the user every

897
00:48:12.940 --> 00:48:17.559 A:middle L:90%
summer for two weeks and visit and be the Transition

898
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:22.440 A:middle L:90%
from from Mason Dixon. one side of Nixon.

899
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:23.659 A:middle L:90%
Nixon was um you know, we go when we

900
00:48:23.659 --> 00:48:28.559 A:middle L:90%
would go to, we had the love with Virginia

901
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:31.019 A:middle L:90%
had part of uh Indiana because of your brothers on

902
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.849 A:middle L:90%
interstate that you wanna tell people there can imagine pre

903
00:48:34.849 --> 00:48:37.860 A:middle L:90%
81. Huh? I think I wonder what's taking

904
00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:39.489 A:middle L:90%
down. That's all we got real love in north

905
00:48:40.070 --> 00:48:42.630 A:middle L:90%
and you have to go wine. You know what

906
00:48:42.630 --> 00:48:45.090 A:middle L:90%
? You got to go through a part of indiana

907
00:48:45.670 --> 00:48:50.710 A:middle L:90%
, A part of Kentucky to get to the pennsylvania

908
00:48:50.710 --> 00:48:52.619 A:middle L:90%
. Turn back. Okay. And then you found

909
00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:55.170 A:middle L:90%
the pennsylvania turnpike. I think we got chip in

910
00:48:55.170 --> 00:48:58.659 A:middle L:90%
the mail into because these bridges you have to go

911
00:48:58.659 --> 00:49:00.280 A:middle L:90%
through but when she depends on trump and it's like

912
00:49:00.289 --> 00:49:02.679 A:middle L:90%
, well this is seven heaven. You have a

913
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:07.309 A:middle L:90%
personal major back to the Ohio turnpike. We stop

914
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.159 A:middle L:90%
in um going to Ohio we're stopping howard johnson was

915
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:16.530 A:middle L:90%
in korean ho jo's we stopped there and we get

916
00:49:16.530 --> 00:49:21.699 A:middle L:90%
these big old buttermilk pancakes and the way people treat

917
00:49:21.699 --> 00:49:23.400 A:middle L:90%
his name was unreal because you got the best you

918
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:27.239 A:middle L:90%
can tell me I didn't South can't you? What

919
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:29.269 A:middle L:90%
are you doing this morning? So people are speaking

920
00:49:29.269 --> 00:49:31.920 A:middle L:90%
because like with long lost friends that you guys use

921
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.719 A:middle L:90%
guys from Virginia And maybe I was getting I was

922
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:37.920 A:middle L:90%
having a nice vehicle. Just got your travel and

923
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.199 A:middle L:90%
said, well we look forward to seeing you because

924
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:43.800 A:middle L:90%
you're coming everywhere. We dated for 30 years I

925
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:47.250 A:middle L:90%
guess. Well we have just the food was good

926
00:49:47.510 --> 00:49:50.099 A:middle L:90%
. And then you get the pancake, the pancake

927
00:49:50.110 --> 00:49:52.099 A:middle L:90%
make the big as a plate. They have a

928
00:49:52.110 --> 00:49:59.030 A:middle L:90%
so michael tummy a little bit. What what you

929
00:49:59.030 --> 00:50:01.110 A:middle L:90%
may recall about the integration and in the closing of

930
00:50:01.110 --> 00:50:05.079 A:middle L:90%
saint Lukes. If you recall that time I do

931
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:08.719 A:middle L:90%
because they told us that the church would be closing

932
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:12.139 A:middle L:90%
and it would be absorbed to the other churches.

933
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:16.079 A:middle L:90%
I was from the medicine about that because it was

934
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:20.110 A:middle L:90%
, but it wasn't because whenever we would uh have

935
00:50:20.110 --> 00:50:22.809 A:middle L:90%
to go to and they asked us encourage us to

936
00:50:22.820 --> 00:50:25.949 A:middle L:90%
go visit other pistol churches. And they mentioned churches

937
00:50:27.130 --> 00:50:31.389 A:middle L:90%
ST john saint lesbians Saint paul is saying, so

938
00:50:31.389 --> 00:50:35.909 A:middle L:90%
there's all sister churches in the diocese. Well,

939
00:50:35.909 --> 00:50:37.280 A:middle L:90%
and then see what church do you think you like

940
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.489 A:middle L:90%
it? And your church was closest to you.

941
00:50:40.260 --> 00:50:44.869 A:middle L:90%
Well, the thing that did, I was like

942
00:50:44.869 --> 00:50:46.639 A:middle L:90%
about the church was that my sister was in the

943
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:51.900 A:middle L:90%
hospital million years ago for something. She had a

944
00:50:51.909 --> 00:50:54.199 A:middle L:90%
minor surgery. Well, people found her, she

945
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:57.750 A:middle L:90%
was in the hospital and they came to visit her

946
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.570 A:middle L:90%
or flowers or a fruit basket and she said,

947
00:51:00.579 --> 00:51:01.690 A:middle L:90%
I don't know these people, I see it all

948
00:51:01.690 --> 00:51:06.250 A:middle L:90%
. They knew you're Episcopalian. And she said,

949
00:51:06.289 --> 00:51:07.440 A:middle L:90%
as soon as I get out of church, I

950
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.670 A:middle L:90%
got a hospital, I'm going to go to the

951
00:51:09.670 --> 00:51:12.570 A:middle L:90%
church. And that's when she went to, because

952
00:51:12.570 --> 00:51:15.389 A:middle L:90%
I'm going to visit the church. Let's go visiting

953
00:51:15.389 --> 00:51:19.059 A:middle L:90%
ships with the ST James because people found out that

954
00:51:19.059 --> 00:51:22.119 A:middle L:90%
the people who bought the food baskets both live from

955
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:24.929 A:middle L:90%
ST James church, You know, 2nd ST James

956
00:51:24.929 --> 00:51:28.050 A:middle L:90%
Shit. I said, you know, because I've

957
00:51:28.050 --> 00:51:31.269 A:middle L:90%
gone to ST Elizabeth, being there for about 15

958
00:51:31.269 --> 00:51:36.179 A:middle L:90%
years with the ST john's a couple of times.

959
00:51:37.059 --> 00:51:39.280 A:middle L:90%
And you know, I always felt like, did

960
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:43.869 A:middle L:90%
you know, I didn't necessarily uncomfortable there, but

961
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:46.510 A:middle L:90%
they feel the most comfortable and ST john's was,

962
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:50.570 A:middle L:90%
it was really touted as the money church because all

963
00:51:50.570 --> 00:51:52.650 A:middle L:90%
the problem with business leaders, the a matter of

964
00:51:52.650 --> 00:51:53.730 A:middle L:90%
fact, the ceo of the north, uh,

965
00:51:53.739 --> 00:51:59.380 A:middle L:90%
southern Northwestern time, he and the executive vice president

966
00:51:59.389 --> 00:52:01.969 A:middle L:90%
. But there a lot of people, business people

967
00:52:01.969 --> 00:52:05.440 A:middle L:90%
and running With the ST John's. and then,

968
00:52:05.449 --> 00:52:07.570 A:middle L:90%
you know, when people say you pass play around

969
00:52:07.570 --> 00:52:08.889 A:middle L:90%
, if you can put$1,000 in the collection plate

970
00:52:08.900 --> 00:52:12.960 A:middle L:90%
, you can be a member. So, you

971
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:14.619 A:middle L:90%
know, I heard those wives, they'll listen.

972
00:52:14.619 --> 00:52:16.269 A:middle L:90%
Yeah. So I want to say this was for

973
00:52:16.269 --> 00:52:20.360 A:middle L:90%
a number of years. It runs an old friend

974
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:23.929 A:middle L:90%
by the end of uh tom mustard and it was

975
00:52:23.929 --> 00:52:27.719 A:middle L:90%
erected in and we just, we stopped talking after

976
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:30.980 A:middle L:90%
I felt the kinship right away and then that's a

977
00:52:30.980 --> 00:52:32.599 A:middle L:90%
charm left. He went to, went to Georgia

978
00:52:32.610 --> 00:52:36.809 A:middle L:90%
. His wife passed and traumatic things happening. I

979
00:52:36.809 --> 00:52:40.099 A:middle L:90%
think his son and the source they have and it

980
00:52:40.099 --> 00:52:44.119 A:middle L:90%
was just a, but the tragic things happen to

981
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:46.769 A:middle L:90%
town in a space of probably a couple of years

982
00:52:47.449 --> 00:52:51.980 A:middle L:90%
then. Uh, well I asked that that kind

983
00:52:51.980 --> 00:52:54.960 A:middle L:90%
of went to another church and okay, I'm arrested

984
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:57.869 A:middle L:90%
going, I would come back in front of cameras

985
00:52:57.869 --> 00:52:59.969 A:middle L:90%
. Never had been going a long time at all

986
00:53:00.650 --> 00:53:01.869 A:middle L:90%
. So start going and start visiting the church that

987
00:53:01.869 --> 00:53:06.800 A:middle L:90%
I went to visit ST James with my sister And

988
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:09.119 A:middle L:90%
on the whole time I was there when I said

989
00:53:09.130 --> 00:53:12.389 A:middle L:90%
, oh man, that's it. And it was

990
00:53:12.389 --> 00:53:15.099 A:middle L:90%
closer to my, my community where I live and

991
00:53:15.099 --> 00:53:17.090 A:middle L:90%
you have old friends and some of people I didn't

992
00:53:17.090 --> 00:53:20.409 A:middle L:90%
know, but some of the people who are there

993
00:53:20.409 --> 00:53:23.869 A:middle L:90%
who brought their food baskets and brought the cards and

994
00:53:23.869 --> 00:53:29.159 A:middle L:90%
flowers to my sister and denounced them all, they

995
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:30.230 A:middle L:90%
knew that she was a Prisca pain, remember at

996
00:53:30.230 --> 00:53:32.829 A:middle L:90%
that church, but just in the same diocese,

997
00:53:32.829 --> 00:53:36.530 A:middle L:90%
I thought that was awesome. What year was this

998
00:53:36.530 --> 00:53:39.719 A:middle L:90%
that you were doing this? This problem? About

999
00:53:39.730 --> 00:53:45.190 A:middle L:90%
85 86. Okay. So long after integration.

1000
00:53:45.190 --> 00:53:47.559 A:middle L:90%
Yeah, Okay. But you know the thing that

1001
00:53:49.750 --> 00:53:52.849 A:middle L:90%
, and that's what it was. I thought about

1002
00:53:52.849 --> 00:53:54.690 A:middle L:90%
two hours a day, You know what? Congress

1003
00:53:54.690 --> 00:53:59.090 A:middle L:90%
has been integrated for years and people from the ladies

1004
00:53:59.090 --> 00:54:02.440 A:middle L:90%
from Holland who came over and who participated in our

1005
00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:06.090 A:middle L:90%
church. You know, the years, they just

1006
00:54:06.090 --> 00:54:07.489 A:middle L:90%
gave me a kind of sense of like, you

1007
00:54:07.489 --> 00:54:10.739 A:middle L:90%
know, and if I go and the thing about

1008
00:54:10.739 --> 00:54:14.139 A:middle L:90%
it, which we didn't try that, but we

1009
00:54:14.139 --> 00:54:16.230 A:middle L:90%
talked to and then amongst ourselves in the congregation at

1010
00:54:16.230 --> 00:54:19.920 A:middle L:90%
ST louis, so we didn't go to church.

1011
00:54:21.739 --> 00:54:22.329 A:middle L:90%
So I kind of like saint looks, I mean

1012
00:54:22.329 --> 00:54:28.289 A:middle L:90%
ST ST john's okay, I kind of like ST

1013
00:54:28.300 --> 00:54:30.659 A:middle L:90%
Elizabeth, okay, my godfather going mr Jordan and

1014
00:54:30.659 --> 00:54:32.730 A:middle L:90%
I'm going to ST Elizabeth. He was a junior

1015
00:54:32.730 --> 00:54:37.909 A:middle L:90%
warden there. So when you asked me because uh

1016
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:42.369 A:middle L:90%
college, just like um, you still want physical

1017
00:54:42.369 --> 00:54:45.719 A:middle L:90%
choose. I said, yeah, I wanna go

1018
00:54:45.730 --> 00:54:46.989 A:middle L:90%
because of the time I had, the guy got

1019
00:54:46.989 --> 00:54:50.550 A:middle L:90%
married, my wife was baptist, but I'd always

1020
00:54:50.550 --> 00:54:52.130 A:middle L:90%
go to pistol shrimps first and then we got there

1021
00:54:52.130 --> 00:54:55.269 A:middle L:90%
and then we go to check from here. So

1022
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:59.510 A:middle L:90%
, but I think the fiscal church especially, no

1023
00:54:59.510 --> 00:55:01.230 A:middle L:90%
, no saint Lukes was, they had been at

1024
00:55:01.230 --> 00:55:05.800 A:middle L:90%
the forefront and integration and backward. It wasn't,

1025
00:55:05.809 --> 00:55:07.780 A:middle L:90%
it wasn't chic, it was involved to be the

1026
00:55:07.780 --> 00:55:12.730 A:middle L:90%
integrated that said that between 11 and 12 o'clock on

1027
00:55:12.730 --> 00:55:15.059 A:middle L:90%
some of the most segregated out on the week.

1028
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:17.590 A:middle L:90%
I believe that because you know, it was all

1029
00:55:17.590 --> 00:55:20.400 A:middle L:90%
things that many people, white choices, black people

1030
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:22.590 A:middle L:90%
in my choices and some people said they wanted that

1031
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:27.369 A:middle L:90%
black experience, they wanted the find brimstone preaching,

1032
00:55:27.369 --> 00:55:30.409 A:middle L:90%
They wanted the something wanted to shouting, I want

1033
00:55:30.409 --> 00:55:31.909 A:middle L:90%
the good music. Well, I think people that

1034
00:55:31.909 --> 00:55:34.349 A:middle L:90%
church, I said, no, you're not gonna

1035
00:55:34.349 --> 00:55:36.119 A:middle L:90%
get all the music, you know, the bang

1036
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:37.309 A:middle L:90%
on PM, you just music or something like,

1037
00:55:37.309 --> 00:55:39.909 A:middle L:90%
you know, like I said, you know,

1038
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.659 A:middle L:90%
I've been like a heart moving with it. I

1039
00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:45.320 A:middle L:90%
said no, but your music and I said it

1040
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:47.389 A:middle L:90%
would be something you probably heard of. Never heard

1041
00:55:47.389 --> 00:55:51.260 A:middle L:90%
that. He said about the draft of the movie

1042
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:54.590 A:middle L:90%
. Well, okay. I said, but I

1043
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:57.059 A:middle L:90%
wasn't meaning to it. That's it. Yeah.

1044
00:55:57.539 --> 00:56:02.530 A:middle L:90%
So, and people in the UK change people's upbringing

1045
00:56:02.539 --> 00:56:05.239 A:middle L:90%
. But do you know, they didn't introduce them

1046
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.639 A:middle L:90%
to different things because I'm not trying to force the

1047
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:12.090 A:middle L:90%
government institutions to treat that's never been to into a

1048
00:56:12.099 --> 00:56:15.429 A:middle L:90%
greek greek, Orthodox church. No, nothing,

1049
00:56:15.429 --> 00:56:16.550 A:middle L:90%
nothing. Religion. No, But I heard,

1050
00:56:17.329 --> 00:56:20.340 A:middle L:90%
you know, that your bedroom, I see you

1051
00:56:20.340 --> 00:56:22.389 A:middle L:90%
have the privilege. And I said, this would

1052
00:56:22.389 --> 00:56:24.570 A:middle L:90%
be a privilege to go to a synagogue. She

1053
00:56:24.570 --> 00:56:25.920 A:middle L:90%
said, oh, God, no. I said

1054
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:28.150 A:middle L:90%
, you know, you don't need a tour.

1055
00:56:28.730 --> 00:56:30.630 A:middle L:90%
But you know, I said, if you don't

1056
00:56:30.630 --> 00:56:31.860 A:middle L:90%
get to just go and voted in one of the

1057
00:56:31.860 --> 00:56:35.250 A:middle L:90%
services, if you have a good one and see

1058
00:56:35.260 --> 00:56:37.349 A:middle L:90%
how either do you think you feel you fit in

1059
00:56:37.829 --> 00:56:42.789 A:middle L:90%
or how far removed that you think you are as

1060
00:56:42.789 --> 00:56:47.480 A:middle L:90%
you better way positive attitude. He said uh I

1061
00:56:47.489 --> 00:56:50.869 A:middle L:90%
said man does not want to 11 time in West

1062
00:56:50.869 --> 00:56:53.380 A:middle L:90%
Virginia where they handle snakes. I said let me

1063
00:56:53.380 --> 00:56:58.440 A:middle L:90%
tell you we are all educated simulation. But then

1064
00:56:58.449 --> 00:57:00.719 A:middle L:90%
there are different variations of the same thing and I

1065
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.909 A:middle L:90%
still this year's I said just like and so there's

1066
00:57:04.909 --> 00:57:07.820 A:middle L:90%
arab but this year there's a Sunni, there's a

1067
00:57:07.829 --> 00:57:10.500 A:middle L:90%
Hanafi, there's all different, they're all Arabs,

1068
00:57:10.510 --> 00:57:15.239 A:middle L:90%
there are muslim but they're different sects are the same

1069
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:19.480 A:middle L:90%
sect. He said okay lets you know S.

1070
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:20.960 A:middle L:90%
E. X. S E C. T.

1071
00:57:20.969 --> 00:57:22.559 A:middle L:90%
That's a religious sect, that's the so but they

1072
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:27.059 A:middle L:90%
are the same set but they have just a little

1073
00:57:27.059 --> 00:57:30.559 A:middle L:90%
different sway on their on their religious things and what

1074
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:34.300 A:middle L:90%
they think of what they do. So but the

1075
00:57:34.300 --> 00:57:37.760 A:middle L:90%
wrong kind of led the forefront because when mama he

1076
00:57:37.769 --> 00:57:39.739 A:middle L:90%
came here, he wanted to come to, he

1077
00:57:39.739 --> 00:57:43.449 A:middle L:90%
heard about saint Lukes, how he had about saying

1078
00:57:43.449 --> 00:57:45.989 A:middle L:90%
things I don't know he needed, but because it

1079
00:57:45.989 --> 00:57:47.219 A:middle L:90%
was from Holland were always, they were the ones

1080
00:57:47.219 --> 00:57:51.239 A:middle L:90%
who pushed that, but he heard about the same

1081
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:57.539 A:middle L:90%
books and they integrated uh koji and integrated uh combination

1082
00:57:58.130 --> 00:58:00.199 A:middle L:90%
because I guess that was not, that was not

1083
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:02.150 A:middle L:90%
impaired, that's almost it was like you do it

1084
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:06.559 A:middle L:90%
, you know, you go just where but you

1085
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:08.579 A:middle L:90%
know nobody the people, they're just saying, hey

1086
00:58:08.590 --> 00:58:13.670 A:middle L:90%
we're all God's Children and I believe that from a

1087
00:58:13.670 --> 00:58:15.829 A:middle L:90%
long, long time ago. So did he come

1088
00:58:15.829 --> 00:58:19.059 A:middle L:90%
to ST louis? Did do you remember it?

1089
00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:22.269 A:middle L:90%
Because I don't think I was like wow, could

1090
00:58:22.269 --> 00:58:25.110 A:middle L:90%
we sit down on the floor? And I just

1091
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:29.159 A:middle L:90%
talked to him just like we all kind of gathering

1092
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:31.670 A:middle L:90%
and sit down and we're talking in this influence had

1093
00:58:31.670 --> 00:58:36.190 A:middle L:90%
seats and just talking about different things and we're talking

1094
00:58:36.190 --> 00:58:39.150 A:middle L:90%
about the Montgomery boycotts and how people had fought for

1095
00:58:39.150 --> 00:58:43.250 A:middle L:90%
equality. I think this is what people are fighting

1096
00:58:43.250 --> 00:58:45.639 A:middle L:90%
for. They said, yeah, we have,

1097
00:58:45.650 --> 00:58:49.050 A:middle L:90%
you know, have achieved what people are thinking for

1098
00:58:49.059 --> 00:58:52.829 A:middle L:90%
. We all had to come together in there because

1099
00:58:52.829 --> 00:58:55.130 A:middle L:90%
we all had company that great awakening great day because

1100
00:58:55.130 --> 00:59:00.420 A:middle L:90%
we're all God's Children. You said that you remember

1101
00:59:00.420 --> 00:59:04.340 A:middle L:90%
what year this was the women who she was.

1102
00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:07.099 A:middle L:90%
I had to google. It seems he he was

1103
00:59:07.099 --> 00:59:08.920 A:middle L:90%
here because that was during the time they had to

1104
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:12.659 A:middle L:90%
go the freedom riders when they were going through the

1105
00:59:12.670 --> 00:59:15.579 A:middle L:90%
different doing the south china and make people say you

1106
00:59:15.579 --> 00:59:16.829 A:middle L:90%
have two big people up just to hang up,

1107
00:59:17.219 --> 00:59:21.900 A:middle L:90%
just don't take any more. You know, it's

1108
00:59:21.900 --> 00:59:22.760 A:middle L:90%
wrong. You see how long you say, I

1109
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:25.869 A:middle L:90%
think that's an atrocity speak up speak for because if

1110
00:59:25.869 --> 00:59:30.880 A:middle L:90%
you look around and say personally want stanford were far

1111
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:32.400 A:middle L:90%
for does it stand for something? You'll fall for

1112
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:36.809 A:middle L:90%
anything. So and people lost their lives, you

1113
00:59:36.809 --> 00:59:38.219 A:middle L:90%
know, it was a scary time. Do you

1114
00:59:38.219 --> 00:59:42.010 A:middle L:90%
remember who the priest was at that at that time

1115
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:45.150 A:middle L:90%
? I would go gator. He was the president

1116
00:59:45.150 --> 00:59:45.500 A:middle L:90%
. I can't think that. I wish I could

1117
00:59:45.500 --> 00:59:51.030 A:middle L:90%
think the other generals name because uh was the white

1118
00:59:51.030 --> 00:59:52.340 A:middle L:90%
priest with black priest priest and then there was a

1119
00:59:52.340 --> 00:59:57.389 A:middle L:90%
white right and they were there every sunday together or

1120
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:00.610 A:middle L:90%
did they take turns deterrents and in the long term

1121
01:00:00.610 --> 01:00:05.610 A:middle L:90%
because one go around and then it please well many

1122
01:00:05.610 --> 01:00:07.429 A:middle L:90%
whites as blacks and when the other piece of rituals

1123
01:00:07.429 --> 01:00:09.840 A:middle L:90%
went black square. So one thing like this is

1124
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:12.719 A:middle L:90%
black week, this is one week. You know

1125
01:00:12.730 --> 01:00:14.769 A:middle L:90%
, it was just, so why did bishop money

1126
01:00:14.769 --> 01:00:16.349 A:middle L:90%
and clothes, saint Lukes? I know, you

1127
01:00:16.349 --> 01:00:20.920 A:middle L:90%
know, I didn't get a look because I think

1128
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:22.800 A:middle L:90%
the, because we had the families, we have

1129
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:27.130 A:middle L:90%
the, uh, the people, How many people

1130
01:00:27.130 --> 01:00:30.809 A:middle L:90%
do you remember? What was your sense of it

1131
01:00:30.820 --> 01:00:34.800 A:middle L:90%
? About 100 and then not that many came every

1132
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:37.360 A:middle L:90%
Sunday, but 100 altogether. And then, or

1133
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.489 A:middle L:90%
maybe 100 church on Sundays, but because you're a

1134
01:00:40.489 --> 01:00:45.150 A:middle L:90%
big church. Yeah. And then seven people came

1135
01:00:45.150 --> 01:00:49.570 A:middle L:90%
all the time and with the kids and the grandkids

1136
01:00:49.570 --> 01:00:53.590 A:middle L:90%
and uh, it was just a sunday school coffee

1137
01:00:53.789 --> 01:00:58.909 A:middle L:90%
with chocolate marshmallow. Like we're participating everywhere. It

1138
01:00:58.909 --> 01:01:00.760 A:middle L:90%
was like, I was like interesting in front and

1139
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:05.409 A:middle L:90%
you miss churches like this church out and you feel

1140
01:01:05.409 --> 01:01:07.559 A:middle L:90%
like, man, I miss my hot chocolate and

1141
01:01:07.570 --> 01:01:09.809 A:middle L:90%
do snaps and marshall. But before you miss something

1142
01:01:09.820 --> 01:01:13.690 A:middle L:90%
because it was a lesson they give you a lesson

1143
01:01:13.690 --> 01:01:16.170 A:middle L:90%
about. And he said, because instead of sometimes

1144
01:01:16.179 --> 01:01:20.820 A:middle L:90%
you preach that's fine, that's good stuff. And

1145
01:01:20.820 --> 01:01:22.780 A:middle L:90%
some of them I'm gonna chase a rabbit and said

1146
01:01:22.789 --> 01:01:24.429 A:middle L:90%
, what is he talking about? Because I'm a

1147
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:30.460 A:middle L:90%
kept it short and sweet because once you, once

1148
01:01:30.460 --> 01:01:31.170 A:middle L:90%
your chicks in the city, once he starts,

1149
01:01:31.179 --> 01:01:34.989 A:middle L:90%
when you start shifting weight, your minds isn't,

1150
01:01:34.989 --> 01:01:38.699 A:middle L:90%
that's that's uncle that got the Stovall and the partners

1151
01:01:38.699 --> 01:01:43.179 A:middle L:90%
, They want to keep it short and sweet and

1152
01:01:43.179 --> 01:01:45.610 A:middle L:90%
people in the house and that's what the album liked

1153
01:01:45.610 --> 01:01:47.849 A:middle L:90%
about the physical changes even today. And uh,

1154
01:01:47.860 --> 01:01:51.809 A:middle L:90%
45 Mr. Now with community, I tell people

1155
01:01:51.809 --> 01:01:53.510 A:middle L:90%
that go to eight o'clock says, yeah, We're

1156
01:01:53.510 --> 01:01:57.300 A:middle L:90%
in their swelling music. 8:00, that's about um

1157
01:01:57.300 --> 01:01:59.849 A:middle L:90%
, they're out there for if I missed the hour

1158
01:01:59.860 --> 01:02:02.820 A:middle L:90%
and we're done. Yeah, I said, you

1159
01:02:02.820 --> 01:02:05.760 A:middle L:90%
love this person. Summertime message. But you know

1160
01:02:05.769 --> 01:02:07.610 A:middle L:90%
because at one time I got out and I had

1161
01:02:07.610 --> 01:02:09.320 A:middle L:90%
been cleaned up a building and this one would be

1162
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:12.699 A:middle L:90%
cleaned up late at night and we had our workhorse

1163
01:02:12.699 --> 01:02:14.900 A:middle L:90%
zone. I said I can't look just like they

1164
01:02:14.900 --> 01:02:17.610 A:middle L:90%
said gotta take you just like you are good work

1165
01:02:17.610 --> 01:02:21.889 A:middle L:90%
. Hold on. Well from that job to the

1166
01:02:21.889 --> 01:02:23.969 A:middle L:90%
church, the church. And then when I'm mrs

1167
01:02:24.329 --> 01:02:28.800 A:middle L:90%
oh my Because he was a cameraman at the t

1168
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:30.059 A:middle L:90%
. v. 10 that inside the t. v

1169
01:02:30.059 --> 01:02:31.690 A:middle L:90%
. 10 then he has some other part time job

1170
01:02:31.699 --> 01:02:38.179 A:middle L:90%
. He was much in Jordan so it was and

1171
01:02:38.179 --> 01:02:43.420 A:middle L:90%
the interesting time because people, it just never was

1172
01:02:43.420 --> 01:02:45.320 A:middle L:90%
a bump in the road for us at ST Lukes

1173
01:02:45.699 --> 01:02:49.000 A:middle L:90%
when you go to church. I think also missed

1174
01:02:49.010 --> 01:02:51.250 A:middle L:90%
this band, the church but a lot of people

1175
01:02:51.250 --> 01:02:54.179 A:middle L:90%
just feel disjointed and didn't have felt that they fit

1176
01:02:54.190 --> 01:02:57.969 A:middle L:90%
into the other church. The saint jean at the

1177
01:02:57.980 --> 01:03:00.260 A:middle L:90%
ST James is the same. Uh, ST Elizabeth

1178
01:03:00.269 --> 01:03:05.059 A:middle L:90%
, ST john's Yeah. Some staying power industry gets

1179
01:03:05.059 --> 01:03:07.500 A:middle L:90%
fragmented. The church goes well if people felt that

1180
01:03:07.500 --> 01:03:12.320 A:middle L:90%
they had commonality or new or another person, school

1181
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:15.369 A:middle L:90%
teacher, whatever the co worker and the church,

1182
01:03:15.369 --> 01:03:16.670 A:middle L:90%
they went there and so the church got counted.

1183
01:03:16.670 --> 01:03:20.730 A:middle L:90%
Just just for a minute now I talked to some

1184
01:03:20.730 --> 01:03:22.860 A:middle L:90%
people would say, yeah, I want to I

1185
01:03:22.869 --> 01:03:24.889 A:middle L:90%
am going to this church of this church that I

1186
01:03:24.889 --> 01:03:27.369 A:middle L:90%
went back to. I want to go back to

1187
01:03:27.369 --> 01:03:29.949 A:middle L:90%
my baptist church. My parents roots. Is it

1188
01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:31.090 A:middle L:90%
? Hmm. So that was that to me a

1189
01:03:31.090 --> 01:03:35.809 A:middle L:90%
big below never. They're trying out and maybe it

1190
01:03:35.809 --> 01:03:39.369 A:middle L:90%
was uh, I was like now teenager, no

1191
01:03:39.369 --> 01:03:43.820 A:middle L:90%
defender. Why there was not any reason given.

1192
01:03:44.300 --> 01:03:45.260 A:middle L:90%
But you knew it had something to do with integration

1193
01:03:45.269 --> 01:03:47.090 A:middle L:90%
. Or did you not know that? I didn't

1194
01:03:47.090 --> 01:03:51.010 A:middle L:90%
know because they know that that was the furthest thing

1195
01:03:51.010 --> 01:03:53.619 A:middle L:90%
from because because you were already integrated. Think of

1196
01:03:53.619 --> 01:03:58.239 A:middle L:90%
yourself as a black church. What about him Lock

1197
01:03:58.239 --> 01:03:59.400 A:middle L:90%
haven? Do you have any memories of him?

1198
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:02.429 A:middle L:90%
Like cave in? They want their once I think

1199
01:04:02.429 --> 01:04:08.329 A:middle L:90%
once, um, when Canadians warrants? Well tell

1200
01:04:08.329 --> 01:04:12.320 A:middle L:90%
him I can, but that was a long time

1201
01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:15.260 A:middle L:90%
ago and experience was was okay. But you know

1202
01:04:15.260 --> 01:04:18.170 A:middle L:90%
, again, you know, it's like anything you

1203
01:04:18.170 --> 01:04:20.480 A:middle L:90%
guys want. You see, you see familiar faces

1204
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:23.980 A:middle L:90%
like, oh, it's like putting on the old

1205
01:04:23.980 --> 01:04:27.019 A:middle L:90%
shoe. It's like, oh man, you know

1206
01:04:27.030 --> 01:04:29.250 A:middle L:90%
, Yeah, there isn't it? And that's where

1207
01:04:29.250 --> 01:04:31.420 A:middle L:90%
people go to, that's how it makes them feel

1208
01:04:32.070 --> 01:04:33.420 A:middle L:90%
. I can make them feel like they're at home

1209
01:04:33.420 --> 01:04:36.510 A:middle L:90%
against it. See one person that you've seen.

1210
01:04:36.889 --> 01:04:40.139 A:middle L:90%
Yeah, three years and you notice, oh man

1211
01:04:40.139 --> 01:04:42.679 A:middle L:90%
, this is great. So I'm going back home

1212
01:04:42.690 --> 01:04:46.409 A:middle L:90%
because no, I did I saw people that I

1213
01:04:46.409 --> 01:04:50.320 A:middle L:90%
knew but I didn't I didn't see anybody that and

1214
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:53.780 A:middle L:90%
then it's like it was it was different, it

1215
01:04:53.780 --> 01:04:56.619 A:middle L:90%
was fun. Um You go for summer camp,

1216
01:04:56.619 --> 01:04:58.710 A:middle L:90%
do you remember? No one wanted up there to

1217
01:04:58.710 --> 01:05:00.710 A:middle L:90%
visit for a full day. So it was like

1218
01:05:01.179 --> 01:05:03.699 A:middle L:90%
it was it was like in the woods. Yeah

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01:05:03.710 --> 01:05:05.940 A:middle L:90%
it is in the deep woods. Did you go

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01:05:05.949 --> 01:05:11.000 A:middle L:90%
with a church group with youth group or went with

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01:05:12.610 --> 01:05:15.059 A:middle L:90%
with the youth group, church group going to church

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01:05:15.059 --> 01:05:18.599 A:middle L:90%
group from ST louis and the whole A group of

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01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:24.170 A:middle L:90%
teenagers went up or uh quite a few point because

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01:05:24.170 --> 01:05:27.400 A:middle L:90%
it was a Muslim about 10 hours and girls that

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01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:29.000 A:middle L:90%
when you guys got to get outside, she saw

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01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:30.860 A:middle L:90%
a snake and she needs is an idea. I

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01:05:30.860 --> 01:05:32.550 A:middle L:90%
think I'm like well what do you want something with

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01:05:32.550 --> 01:05:34.360 A:middle L:90%
us? They're ready to go throw up there.

1229
01:05:34.369 --> 01:05:35.929 A:middle L:90%
You want to walk around, you didn't go for

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01:05:35.929 --> 01:05:39.199 A:middle L:90%
a dance or something. Uh, just went up

1231
01:05:39.210 --> 01:05:41.889 A:middle L:90%
and it was the place. And that's it because

1232
01:05:41.889 --> 01:05:43.889 A:middle L:90%
we had heard about him like, hey, we'll

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01:05:43.969 --> 01:05:45.920 A:middle L:90%
be right back to where they had to go fishing

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01:05:45.489 --> 01:05:47.710 A:middle L:90%
. There's a big, big like over in a

1235
01:05:48.289 --> 01:05:50.500 A:middle L:90%
, the guy starts to say that's a d playground

1236
01:05:50.500 --> 01:05:54.519 A:middle L:90%
goes from over there. So where did you visit

1237
01:05:54.519 --> 01:06:00.409 A:middle L:90%
? Do you remember had been in the early 60's

1238
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:03.820 A:middle L:90%
Because I was in high school in 64 high school

1239
01:06:03.860 --> 01:06:09.820 A:middle L:90%
, Lucy Addison High School Ensusiasm Marching 100. Did

1240
01:06:09.820 --> 01:06:13.409 A:middle L:90%
you get a look at you look at the Washington

1241
01:06:13.420 --> 01:06:15.599 A:middle L:90%
, which is right down the street on Douglas Avenue

1242
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:20.210 A:middle L:90%
. That's good. Uh, let's see. So

1243
01:06:20.210 --> 01:06:24.840 A:middle L:90%
you went from ST luke's when it closed and they

1244
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:27.099 A:middle L:90%
just came in and said ST luke's clothes and pick

1245
01:06:27.099 --> 01:06:30.460 A:middle L:90%
another church, right? And so you went to

1246
01:06:30.460 --> 01:06:33.010 A:middle L:90%
see Elizabeth and stay there for a number of years

1247
01:06:33.019 --> 01:06:35.900 A:middle L:90%
, 15 years? Uh 15 years. Okay,

1248
01:06:35.900 --> 01:06:38.969 A:middle L:90%
so that's where and then did you go off to

1249
01:06:38.980 --> 01:06:40.570 A:middle L:90%
, you went off to college? I was in

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01:06:40.570 --> 01:06:43.530 A:middle L:90%
college, they say, yeah, I was remember

1251
01:06:43.530 --> 01:06:47.960 A:middle L:90%
ST Elizabeth allowed to college and no, no,

1252
01:06:48.210 --> 01:06:50.250 A:middle L:90%
no Dominion. Did you go to church when you

1253
01:06:50.250 --> 01:06:57.269 A:middle L:90%
were in college once? Because there was not Episcopal

1254
01:06:57.269 --> 01:07:00.139 A:middle L:90%
church clothes from the catholic church? Uh not too

1255
01:07:00.139 --> 01:07:02.440 A:middle L:90%
far from where I lived because I didn't have a

1256
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:04.670 A:middle L:90%
car when I first went down there because the freshman

1257
01:07:04.670 --> 01:07:06.880 A:middle L:90%
Connecticut then I gotta call my second year. But

1258
01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:10.019 A:middle L:90%
then I lived out in the Virginia beach fire department

1259
01:07:10.030 --> 01:07:12.880 A:middle L:90%
without Virginia beach, which was like 20 miles,

1260
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:15.989 A:middle L:90%
30 miles when I was what the catholic church?

1261
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:21.380 A:middle L:90%
And I felt like I found the service. I

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01:07:21.389 --> 01:07:24.349 A:middle L:90%
think I went with a friend of a friend out

1263
01:07:24.349 --> 01:07:26.440 A:middle L:90%
there and we went there and he said like,

1264
01:07:26.449 --> 01:07:29.789 A:middle L:90%
wow, that's not too much different from the physical

1265
01:07:29.789 --> 01:07:32.519 A:middle L:90%
church because I'm the Jersey maybe father they also serves

1266
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:36.019 A:middle L:90%
and everything. And then, and then go for

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01:07:36.030 --> 01:07:39.110 A:middle L:90%
it, didn't go there, I would come home

1268
01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:41.389 A:middle L:90%
. Yeah. And then, uh, at the

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01:07:41.389 --> 01:07:45.030 A:middle L:90%
night I was came back home and went to second

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01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:51.019 A:middle L:90%
Send some more kept growing and then and had a

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01:07:51.030 --> 01:07:57.079 A:middle L:90%
disruption at the church because it wasn't because some of

1272
01:07:57.079 --> 01:08:00.380 A:middle L:90%
the members thought that the priest was taking advantage of

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01:08:00.420 --> 01:08:04.280 A:middle L:90%
the lady, that he was a widower and the

1274
01:08:05.070 --> 01:08:09.699 A:middle L:90%
director end up man here and some people in church

1275
01:08:09.699 --> 01:08:13.000 A:middle L:90%
that there was just out playing this go, she's

1276
01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.250 A:middle L:90%
gonna be like, hey, his wife has died

1277
01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:16.000 A:middle L:90%
and his name is David. How does a man

1278
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:20.720 A:middle L:90%
of means? Someone over come on. So then

1279
01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:23.239 A:middle L:90%
I just didn't like the way that that came out

1280
01:08:23.250 --> 01:08:25.489 A:middle L:90%
because they were like, you married her to me

1281
01:08:25.829 --> 01:08:28.340 A:middle L:90%
and they had a lot of money to. So

1282
01:08:28.350 --> 01:08:29.579 A:middle L:90%
, you know, I think, I think they

1283
01:08:29.579 --> 01:08:32.189 A:middle L:90%
thought that he was an opportunity to something that whatever

1284
01:08:32.189 --> 01:08:33.899 A:middle L:90%
. Yeah, I don't want you, but I'm

1285
01:08:33.899 --> 01:08:35.380 A:middle L:90%
thinking I can and I like, I guess I

1286
01:08:35.380 --> 01:08:38.279 A:middle L:90%
was personal because I like to have to make the

1287
01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:41.279 A:middle L:90%
person a lot personally and professionally. I'm thinking like

1288
01:08:42.170 --> 01:08:45.649 A:middle L:90%
, but so they kind of give them the sanitation

1289
01:08:45.930 --> 01:08:47.909 A:middle L:90%
and that's kind of okay. I was kind of

1290
01:08:47.909 --> 01:08:50.390 A:middle L:90%
drifting. I just didn't go to church for him

1291
01:08:50.390 --> 01:08:54.000 A:middle L:90%
for a while. And my sister said, hey

1292
01:08:54.010 --> 01:08:56.819 A:middle L:90%
, what about the ST James gas through all that

1293
01:08:56.819 --> 01:08:58.670 A:middle L:90%
? And I was the first day I was like

1294
01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:00.489 A:middle L:90%
, I've been kissing so much in my life,

1295
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:03.310 A:middle L:90%
like she don't know me. And then one idea

1296
01:09:03.310 --> 01:09:05.350 A:middle L:90%
over there, a couple of money boots, boots

1297
01:09:05.350 --> 01:09:09.600 A:middle L:90%
, ingram. I still love boots today. And

1298
01:09:09.609 --> 01:09:13.850 A:middle L:90%
uh, he pretends last name. Everybody's came back

1299
01:09:13.850 --> 01:09:15.630 A:middle L:90%
. I was like, how you doing? I

1300
01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:17.579 A:middle L:90%
don't think like, wow, okay. This is

1301
01:09:17.579 --> 01:09:20.020 A:middle L:90%
what I would move about. The post pictures down

1302
01:09:20.020 --> 01:09:23.829 A:middle L:90%
like, and to this day For that, I

1303
01:09:23.829 --> 01:09:25.500 A:middle L:90%
go to the doctor and I'm gonna go to the

1304
01:09:25.500 --> 01:09:28.810 A:middle L:90%
10:00. Just tell my fiance get kissed in the

1305
01:09:28.819 --> 01:09:30.569 A:middle L:90%
car. Yes. We just love Michael Lord.

1306
01:09:30.579 --> 01:09:33.500 A:middle L:90%
They'll see you much because it's like two different congregations

1307
01:09:33.970 --> 01:09:35.779 A:middle L:90%
. Yeah, eight o'clock, eight o'clock at 10

1308
01:09:35.779 --> 01:09:39.399 A:middle L:90%
o'clock till I go to 10 o'clock and then 10

1309
01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:41.350 A:middle L:90%
o'clock song. And some people were new. People

1310
01:09:41.350 --> 01:09:43.550 A:middle L:90%
say, hi, welcome to saying the same thing

1311
01:09:43.550 --> 01:09:45.390 A:middle L:90%
that's done. I've been working with us and that's

1312
01:09:45.390 --> 01:09:46.920 A:middle L:90%
what you think. I know what I've been here

1313
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:50.010 A:middle L:90%
about 20 years. Uh I'm the eight o'clock,

1314
01:09:50.020 --> 01:09:54.600 A:middle L:90%
Oh yeah, have been something. He's been his

1315
01:09:54.609 --> 01:09:57.149 A:middle L:90%
old, he's been here for years, so he's

1316
01:09:57.149 --> 01:09:59.189 A:middle L:90%
been, he's been Africa's kids came up here.

1317
01:09:59.569 --> 01:10:00.850 A:middle L:90%
My son has the Salomon sonia in kindergarten. I

1318
01:10:00.850 --> 01:10:05.789 A:middle L:90%
was teaching kindergarten there, qin wang crisis testicle,

1319
01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:08.909 A:middle L:90%
but I went to the uh, to the middle

1320
01:10:08.909 --> 01:10:12.180 A:middle L:90%
school, then the junior, there's a singer.

1321
01:10:12.189 --> 01:10:14.079 A:middle L:90%
So I had all the kids now, they got

1322
01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:16.699 A:middle L:90%
kids around, I'm just telling us it, How

1323
01:10:16.699 --> 01:10:18.600 A:middle L:90%
you doing, you know, it's actually, it's

1324
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:20.539 A:middle L:90%
like I said, My, because I went to

1325
01:10:20.539 --> 01:10:25.109 A:middle L:90%
10:00 about playing a couple of months ago as the

1326
01:10:25.109 --> 01:10:29.119 A:middle L:90%
grandmother ensemble missions of people. How you doing what

1327
01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:31.949 A:middle L:90%
I'm saying, James and I don't think Yeah,

1328
01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:36.380 A:middle L:90%
but this sound and that's what I liked about it

1329
01:10:36.380 --> 01:10:40.060 A:middle L:90%
and uh, not fancy, but she was like

1330
01:10:40.060 --> 01:10:41.970 A:middle L:90%
, hey, you went to church today because you

1331
01:10:41.970 --> 01:10:43.760 A:middle L:90%
got messing with. She was much know what I

1332
01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:45.399 A:middle L:90%
mean? I said, I sit down. Yeah

1333
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:46.529 A:middle L:90%
, I stopped going. Said, I said,

1334
01:10:46.529 --> 01:10:49.670 A:middle L:90%
you're going to see, yep. And she said

1335
01:10:49.670 --> 01:10:51.069 A:middle L:90%
something about it. And that time I said,

1336
01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:55.020 A:middle L:90%
you got like, you know, I think that

1337
01:10:55.020 --> 01:10:57.970 A:middle L:90%
the same showers. I said, yeah, just

1338
01:10:59.260 --> 01:11:02.090 A:middle L:90%
I see how germophobic are you. Did you know

1339
01:11:02.090 --> 01:11:05.189 A:middle L:90%
, she said, okay, it's a bit cousin

1340
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:09.920 A:middle L:90%
to my knowledge has ever died or got sick from

1341
01:11:09.930 --> 01:11:13.600 A:middle L:90%
, from channel saying what showers, cecilia. So

1342
01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:15.350 A:middle L:90%
yeah, that's it. And you think about some

1343
01:11:15.350 --> 01:11:18.270 A:middle L:90%
people were really gender farmers that we really gets to

1344
01:11:18.270 --> 01:11:20.729 A:middle L:90%
me. You think of smart sipping on johnson bigger

1345
01:11:20.729 --> 01:11:27.039 A:middle L:90%
and you're gonna get in there. So if you're

1346
01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:29.420 A:middle L:90%
going to, if you're gonna do guys working,

1347
01:11:29.420 --> 01:11:30.069 A:middle L:90%
you're going to listen to the boy, got it

1348
01:11:30.069 --> 01:11:32.350 A:middle L:90%
, let's get sick during their legacy or something.

1349
01:11:32.449 --> 01:11:34.550 A:middle L:90%
You know what I'm about to pass around somebody.

1350
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:40.630 A:middle L:90%
But as you know, but is interesting and I

1351
01:11:40.630 --> 01:11:42.500 A:middle L:90%
wouldn't want to be anything else but Episcopalian and I

1352
01:11:42.500 --> 01:11:45.279 A:middle L:90%
had other religious experience, is going to the church

1353
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:47.050 A:middle L:90%
is not just once or twice, but government,

1354
01:11:47.060 --> 01:11:50.569 A:middle L:90%
we've had the bases of going and all churches kind

1355
01:11:50.569 --> 01:11:54.569 A:middle L:90%
of the same except it is the experience you get

1356
01:11:55.060 --> 01:11:58.319 A:middle L:90%
. And I always felt closer to the guy,

1357
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:00.649 A:middle L:90%
young people and people just watching you go out.

1358
01:12:00.659 --> 01:12:02.210 A:middle L:90%
You know, you say your best, your food

1359
01:12:02.210 --> 01:12:03.750 A:middle L:90%
and stuff. You know, people use this,

1360
01:12:03.750 --> 01:12:06.720 A:middle L:90%
you know, people say, I always liked you

1361
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:09.180 A:middle L:90%
cause do you know what that means to say?

1362
01:12:09.189 --> 01:12:11.279 A:middle L:90%
Do you know what that means? Is that I

1363
01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:13.989 A:middle L:90%
do with these three fingers, I see those for

1364
01:12:14.149 --> 01:12:16.800 A:middle L:90%
that father son and Holy Spirit. He said,

1365
01:12:16.810 --> 01:12:18.569 A:middle L:90%
wow, that's, you know, the stations of

1366
01:12:18.569 --> 01:12:21.800 A:middle L:90%
the cross. He said, uh, you know

1367
01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:25.380 A:middle L:90%
the station that across, I said I said you

1368
01:12:25.380 --> 01:12:28.460 A:middle L:90%
here but each different, you hear that at least

1369
01:12:28.460 --> 01:12:31.210 A:middle L:90%
one game. But jesus christ, crucified is taking

1370
01:12:31.210 --> 01:12:33.909 A:middle L:90%
the dragon across, let's deal with the stations across

1371
01:12:33.909 --> 01:12:40.670 A:middle L:90%
it and that and only introduction to know the church

1372
01:12:41.250 --> 01:12:44.090 A:middle L:90%
. But to religion was the guy took philosophy,

1373
01:12:44.090 --> 01:12:47.079 A:middle L:90%
religion was in college and then my professor was standing

1374
01:12:47.079 --> 01:12:50.130 A:middle L:90%
, why wouldn't you get all this information? That's

1375
01:12:50.130 --> 01:12:53.529 A:middle L:90%
it. I came up in the Episcopal Church,

1376
01:12:53.539 --> 01:12:57.340 A:middle L:90%
uh that explains your catholic, I say well the

1377
01:12:57.350 --> 01:13:00.720 A:middle L:90%
catholic diocese, your Episcopal diocese, but we'll see

1378
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:02.750 A:middle L:90%
. Yeah, he said because they went back to

1379
01:13:02.750 --> 01:13:05.159 A:middle L:90%
breaths and he made that he was uh he s

1380
01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:10.420 A:middle L:90%
PhD post doctor in religion, philosophy relation, he

1381
01:13:10.420 --> 01:13:14.000 A:middle L:90%
just kind of uh and I understand I stood latin

1382
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.020 A:middle L:90%
too, you know, when he was just saying

1383
01:13:16.020 --> 01:13:24.250 A:middle L:90%
what wow in and he said yeah, and he

1384
01:13:24.250 --> 01:13:26.050 A:middle L:90%
said, and then then you had one thing in

1385
01:13:26.050 --> 01:13:30.369 A:middle L:90%
latin include mrs Kavita ago soon and he said,

1386
01:13:30.850 --> 01:13:32.670 A:middle L:90%
hey, can anybody tell me what that means?

1387
01:13:34.850 --> 01:13:39.409 A:middle L:90%
I think therefore I am. Yeah, I said

1388
01:13:39.420 --> 01:13:42.510 A:middle L:90%
yes. I said, he said where one way

1389
01:13:42.510 --> 01:13:44.770 A:middle L:90%
? He said, wow, you say, I

1390
01:13:44.770 --> 01:13:46.109 A:middle L:90%
know, you know that that's it, but you

1391
01:13:46.109 --> 01:13:49.350 A:middle L:90%
know said my country has to be in latin,

1392
01:13:49.350 --> 01:13:53.640 A:middle L:90%
that's part of the business service is being latin and

1393
01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:56.079 A:middle L:90%
they both get into english, that's it. And

1394
01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:58.609 A:middle L:90%
I sit there and listen to the people and then

1395
01:13:58.609 --> 01:14:00.270 A:middle L:90%
people yes, that's most of them. I do

1396
01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:03.359 A:middle L:90%
. That's it. That's it was really interesting because

1397
01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:06.960 A:middle L:90%
these are people now go to the other church and

1398
01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:10.229 A:middle L:90%
said, where is the name? What is it

1399
01:14:10.229 --> 01:14:13.720 A:middle L:90%
about? That? Uh that's the ultimate, he

1400
01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:17.409 A:middle L:90%
was okay because the stations of the cross to they

1401
01:14:17.409 --> 01:14:20.229 A:middle L:90%
like why? And that was like, how do

1402
01:14:20.229 --> 01:14:23.880 A:middle L:90%
you know this stuff? I don't know, I

1403
01:14:23.890 --> 01:14:26.890 A:middle L:90%
don't know. This confirmation classes in the car.

1404
01:14:27.050 --> 01:14:29.130 A:middle L:90%
And I said, well, you confirm, you

1405
01:14:29.130 --> 01:14:31.270 A:middle L:90%
know what, you know, that's it right now

1406
01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:34.920 A:middle L:90%
, that this transition relation they transcend goes to church

1407
01:14:34.930 --> 01:14:39.220 A:middle L:90%
, you probably found some ministers have probably been and

1408
01:14:39.229 --> 01:14:40.760 A:middle L:90%
, you know, and that's and all languages have

1409
01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:42.840 A:middle L:90%
been in church for years. Yes, the stations

1410
01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:45.159 A:middle L:90%
of the cross, this uh, stationed across not

1411
01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:48.739 A:middle L:90%
sadistic. Uh, because uh so it was just

1412
01:14:48.750 --> 01:14:50.970 A:middle L:90%
that and and that experience you can't take away from

1413
01:14:50.970 --> 01:14:55.890 A:middle L:90%
because and we were like, my sister was taking

1414
01:14:55.899 --> 01:15:00.060 A:middle L:90%
bible study classes because she actually joined another church before

1415
01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:06.420 A:middle L:90%
she passed mass dodge. And uh, she was

1416
01:15:06.430 --> 01:15:13.060 A:middle L:90%
becoming teaching class. The minister was doing the teaching

1417
01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:15.920 A:middle L:90%
, we can teach them using, it's tough.

1418
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:18.420 A:middle L:90%
And she's taken herself, she didn't say it's different

1419
01:15:18.420 --> 01:15:24.899 A:middle L:90%
. I already learned 8189 years old and you practice

1420
01:15:24.899 --> 01:15:26.869 A:middle L:90%
it every week, you know, and you do

1421
01:15:26.869 --> 01:15:30.680 A:middle L:90%
it. So, so with them even things about

1422
01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:32.750 A:middle L:90%
how to be an acolyte come on. Like when

1423
01:15:32.750 --> 01:15:35.050 A:middle L:90%
you like two cans when we just let the cameras

1424
01:15:35.050 --> 01:15:40.739 A:middle L:90%
and anything. I see the same thing that Peter's

1425
01:15:40.739 --> 01:15:45.329 A:middle L:90%
basilica and she has become multiple as you know and

1426
01:15:45.329 --> 01:15:48.250 A:middle L:90%
see him. I said that's the job because that's

1427
01:15:48.250 --> 01:15:55.130 A:middle L:90%
a highly religious conspiracy and what they do okay,

1428
01:15:55.140 --> 01:15:58.680 A:middle L:90%
dictates what to put approach dance because in a vacation

1429
01:15:58.689 --> 01:16:00.619 A:middle L:90%
, I mean you're gonna have to go through a

1430
01:16:00.619 --> 01:16:01.949 A:middle L:90%
training, correct, put something that we could,

1431
01:16:01.970 --> 01:16:04.130 A:middle L:90%
you know, we could be a who's Baltimore I

1432
01:16:04.130 --> 01:16:06.819 A:middle L:90%
see the color autoworkers acolyte because it could be an

1433
01:16:06.819 --> 01:16:11.739 A:middle L:90%
altar girl, okay. And they know it's really

1434
01:16:11.750 --> 01:16:16.470 A:middle L:90%
killing the killing and keenly aware of and the Children

1435
01:16:16.470 --> 01:16:21.079 A:middle L:90%
how impacts everybody, you know, and then how

1436
01:16:21.090 --> 01:16:25.319 A:middle L:90%
people are taking religious and be people across the head

1437
01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:28.079 A:middle L:90%
with it. And then now people are taking religion

1438
01:16:28.090 --> 01:16:31.560 A:middle L:90%
in just going to succumb to it, you know

1439
01:16:31.930 --> 01:16:35.789 A:middle L:90%
? But is this an interesting is how people that

1440
01:16:35.789 --> 01:16:41.529 A:middle L:90%
let you choose your own religious uh being and how

1441
01:16:41.529 --> 01:16:45.289 A:middle L:90%
you how you chancing that, you know later on

1442
01:16:45.289 --> 01:16:47.300 A:middle L:90%
in life, because some people just fall away from

1443
01:16:47.300 --> 01:16:48.979 A:middle L:90%
the church, those things that bring up in the

1444
01:16:48.979 --> 01:16:50.670 A:middle L:90%
world, the church and do not want to part

1445
01:16:50.670 --> 01:16:55.069 A:middle L:90%
from it. So then you'll see people and my

1446
01:16:55.069 --> 01:16:57.550 A:middle L:90%
son is in law enforcement, federal law enforcement.

1447
01:16:57.930 --> 01:16:59.510 A:middle L:90%
One of the things, they're doing a background check

1448
01:16:59.510 --> 01:17:01.750 A:middle L:90%
. That's what I said. I don't I have

1449
01:17:01.750 --> 01:17:03.170 A:middle L:90%
to ask you to do that, but they haven't

1450
01:17:03.180 --> 01:17:06.119 A:middle L:90%
asked them to go to church. Now people think

1451
01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:08.560 A:middle L:90%
that I don't care what people think about me.

1452
01:17:08.569 --> 01:17:10.970 A:middle L:90%
Yes, you do because when you run a background

1453
01:17:10.970 --> 01:17:14.189 A:middle L:90%
check, because we do a background check for me

1454
01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:15.460 A:middle L:90%
and my sister, because she went to families,

1455
01:17:15.460 --> 01:17:19.109 A:middle L:90%
fell along for Susan FBI. I don't want to

1456
01:17:19.109 --> 01:17:24.470 A:middle L:90%
know if you know how I got a person she

1457
01:17:24.470 --> 01:17:27.939 A:middle L:90%
was. You know, you see this, you

1458
01:17:27.939 --> 01:17:31.060 A:middle L:90%
have the other that's my grandmother, you know,

1459
01:17:31.069 --> 01:17:35.159 A:middle L:90%
uh interviews about two hours here with Michael Cannon,

1460
01:17:35.159 --> 01:17:38.109 A:middle L:90%
grams. It was growing up was just standing up

1461
01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:40.600 A:middle L:90%
and asked people who were in the neighborhood who,

1462
01:17:40.609 --> 01:17:43.029 A:middle L:90%
you know, he thought you didn't know who you

1463
01:17:43.039 --> 01:17:45.010 A:middle L:90%
Yeah, he was he was good luck guy.

1464
01:17:45.010 --> 01:17:46.340 A:middle L:90%
He's got my gas use this, that uh he

1465
01:17:46.340 --> 01:17:50.149 A:middle L:90%
was a hell right, You know, So that

1466
01:17:50.149 --> 01:17:55.130 A:middle L:90%
is something that Mhm. The kind of is with

1467
01:17:55.130 --> 01:17:58.850 A:middle L:90%
you all your life. Even to the end when

1468
01:17:58.850 --> 01:18:00.819 A:middle L:90%
he said, people say, well, you know

1469
01:18:00.829 --> 01:18:02.260 A:middle L:90%
, yes, you go to church. Yeah.

1470
01:18:02.270 --> 01:18:03.659 A:middle L:90%
Because some people don't go to church and they just

1471
01:18:03.659 --> 01:18:05.939 A:middle L:90%
have to have a, your family in the chapel

1472
01:18:05.949 --> 01:18:10.850 A:middle L:90%
. They have a preacher and neighborly love. I

1473
01:18:10.859 --> 01:18:12.890 A:middle L:90%
can almost after saying, okay, well he's sitting

1474
01:18:12.890 --> 01:18:14.890 A:middle L:90%
on church. To me, that's, that's always

1475
01:18:14.890 --> 01:18:15.770 A:middle L:90%
been big. And my dad was always, my

1476
01:18:15.770 --> 01:18:20.529 A:middle L:90%
mom told me always big on there because you need

1477
01:18:20.529 --> 01:18:23.810 A:middle L:90%
to have a uncle. What, what, what

1478
01:18:23.859 --> 01:18:26.130 A:middle L:90%
, what is uh, affiliation is known as you

1479
01:18:26.130 --> 01:18:28.789 A:middle L:90%
have one And those get baptized as long as you

1480
01:18:28.789 --> 01:18:30.810 A:middle L:90%
have one. Let me ask you a question.

1481
01:18:30.819 --> 01:18:32.640 A:middle L:90%
That goes back to that very point. You said

1482
01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:36.130 A:middle L:90%
that when you first started going to ST Lukes that

1483
01:18:36.140 --> 01:18:38.930 A:middle L:90%
they wanted you to be baptized. And your father

1484
01:18:38.930 --> 01:18:41.399 A:middle L:90%
said, well, you've already been baptized. So

1485
01:18:41.409 --> 01:18:45.149 A:middle L:90%
were you baptized again in the Episcopal Church? Okay

1486
01:18:45.149 --> 01:18:45.909 A:middle L:90%
. So do they call it? What do they

1487
01:18:45.909 --> 01:18:51.979 A:middle L:90%
call it? Because maybe I acknowledge that you don't

1488
01:18:51.979 --> 01:18:57.739 A:middle L:90%
even Yeah, because it happens because, you know

1489
01:18:57.739 --> 01:19:02.430 A:middle L:90%
, some treasures were saying you can come to my

1490
01:19:02.430 --> 01:19:05.229 A:middle L:90%
dad's baptism, we're gonna actually dunk in the water

1491
01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:08.949 A:middle L:90%
, You extra virgin water. And you're about to

1492
01:19:08.949 --> 01:19:13.420 A:middle L:90%
ask now and uh, pistol church was they Sprinkle

1493
01:19:13.430 --> 01:19:15.590 A:middle L:90%
, they actually have a women, they put it

1494
01:19:15.590 --> 01:19:16.680 A:middle L:90%
across there and it's very close by the whole of

1495
01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:19.109 A:middle L:90%
the world over and the million baseball go, how

1496
01:19:19.109 --> 01:19:20.619 A:middle L:90%
do whatever you make the sign of the cross?

1497
01:19:21.220 --> 01:19:25.810 A:middle L:90%
So that is then. And I guess that is

1498
01:19:25.810 --> 01:19:30.739 A:middle L:90%
there, um, yes, thanks for being baptized

1499
01:19:30.750 --> 01:19:33.289 A:middle L:90%
. Because they always say in the book of common

1500
01:19:33.289 --> 01:19:35.750 A:middle L:90%
prayer, you know, that you are on baptism

1501
01:19:36.420 --> 01:19:40.920 A:middle L:90%
because in your future for your baptized, you're baptized

1502
01:19:40.930 --> 01:19:44.100 A:middle L:90%
christ owned for life. You know, So I

1503
01:19:44.100 --> 01:19:45.689 A:middle L:90%
couldn't, I didn't know that. I mean that

1504
01:19:45.689 --> 01:19:48.279 A:middle L:90%
I was not thinking like I said as significant brother

1505
01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:51.060 A:middle L:90%
and sister both of baptize. I think I know

1506
01:19:51.069 --> 01:19:54.869 A:middle L:90%
what I think you say. Yeah, because you're

1507
01:19:54.869 --> 01:19:57.350 A:middle L:90%
baptized. I'm thinking like, okay, so I

1508
01:19:57.350 --> 01:20:00.180 A:middle L:90%
don't want to get baptized, you know? But

1509
01:20:00.189 --> 01:20:01.819 A:middle L:90%
everybody I tell them they've been baptized, okay,

1510
01:20:02.510 --> 01:20:08.060 A:middle L:90%
well I never saw anybody in the Episcopal Church get

1511
01:20:08.060 --> 01:20:10.489 A:middle L:90%
dunked in the water, so they're always for a

1512
01:20:10.489 --> 01:20:12.840 A:middle L:90%
Sprinkle, you know? So I think of like

1513
01:20:12.850 --> 01:20:17.510 A:middle L:90%
mm so that was my my dad was ended by

1514
01:20:17.510 --> 01:20:19.579 A:middle L:90%
big McShay said one of the little kids and you

1515
01:20:19.579 --> 01:20:21.909 A:middle L:90%
never know what's gonna happen to you. But so

1516
01:20:21.909 --> 01:20:26.510 A:middle L:90%
I was so young. I didn't remember it because

1517
01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:29.680 A:middle L:90%
he said he was in a creek. I really

1518
01:20:29.859 --> 01:20:31.500 A:middle L:90%
don't think my older cousin told me because my dad

1519
01:20:31.500 --> 01:20:32.939 A:middle L:90%
told me, I think, but I never read

1520
01:20:32.939 --> 01:20:36.199 A:middle L:90%
the details of, because my daddy passed though because

1521
01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:39.430 A:middle L:90%
she said, oh I was there. She said

1522
01:20:39.430 --> 01:20:41.140 A:middle L:90%
you and jan on the book I baptized, let's

1523
01:20:41.140 --> 01:20:44.960 A:middle L:90%
say yes, yes, we're going to put you

1524
01:20:44.960 --> 01:20:46.270 A:middle L:90%
on. That's, wow. That's something, you

1525
01:20:46.270 --> 01:20:47.640 A:middle L:90%
know that. So, you know, that was

1526
01:20:47.640 --> 01:20:50.739 A:middle L:90%
something that I, that we never, we never

1527
01:20:50.739 --> 01:20:54.529 A:middle L:90%
talked about it and say we've been baptized. Yeah

1528
01:20:54.539 --> 01:20:57.010 A:middle L:90%
. Because maybe I told the people at the church

1529
01:20:57.020 --> 01:20:59.520 A:middle L:90%
, you've been baptized and they wanted to baptize you

1530
01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:02.729 A:middle L:90%
again. Anyway, I guess that there's there there

1531
01:21:03.710 --> 01:21:05.819 A:middle L:90%
, yes. The information of the baptism, I

1532
01:21:05.819 --> 01:21:09.869 A:middle L:90%
guess there was because they, and as I can

1533
01:21:10.090 --> 01:21:13.850 A:middle L:90%
remember, was it in the baptist tradition that you

1534
01:21:13.850 --> 01:21:16.270 A:middle L:90%
were baptized before and they baptized you again? And

1535
01:21:16.270 --> 01:21:19.039 A:middle L:90%
how soon after that were you confirmed? Do you

1536
01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:25.829 A:middle L:90%
remember? It was probably shortly after that, hmm

1537
01:21:26.409 --> 01:21:29.460 A:middle L:90%
, going to be going to all the confirmation um

1538
01:21:29.470 --> 01:21:33.479 A:middle L:90%
, glasses and, and the biggest I learned so

1539
01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:36.619 A:middle L:90%
much about the, the Church in general, the

1540
01:21:36.619 --> 01:21:40.130 A:middle L:90%
Episcopal Church in particular, but Church in general,

1541
01:21:40.609 --> 01:21:43.229 A:middle L:90%
because it was uh, you know, so many

1542
01:21:43.229 --> 01:21:45.050 A:middle L:90%
people don't know not about the Church, they're going

1543
01:21:45.050 --> 01:21:47.270 A:middle L:90%
to sit there and I think it's what people want

1544
01:21:47.270 --> 01:21:48.710 A:middle L:90%
to, because that's the way, you know,

1545
01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:51.149 A:middle L:90%
churches church, God's got. Yeah. Yeah.

1546
01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:56.829 A:middle L:90%
But you know, if you know the different things

1547
01:21:56.829 --> 01:21:58.859 A:middle L:90%
about church, you makes you want to have a

1548
01:21:58.869 --> 01:22:01.029 A:middle L:90%
little deeper into religion. You know, the different

1549
01:22:01.029 --> 01:22:03.500 A:middle L:90%
passions of the battle when you say you have something

1550
01:22:03.500 --> 01:22:05.470 A:middle L:90%
not stop talking. So it's 23rd song, you

1551
01:22:05.470 --> 01:22:08.399 A:middle L:90%
know, It was myself and a 2nd 1.

1552
01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:11.420 A:middle L:90%
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he started

1553
01:22:11.430 --> 01:22:17.500 A:middle L:90%
never money passes in the bible and it's starting you

1554
01:22:17.500 --> 01:22:19.720 A:middle L:90%
kind of users rest your life, you know,

1555
01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:24.220 A:middle L:90%
I think, Yeah. You know, and then

1556
01:22:24.220 --> 01:22:26.630 A:middle L:90%
some people don't know where the girl for solid,

1557
01:22:26.630 --> 01:22:29.390 A:middle L:90%
sometimes they go to the battle. Battle hasn't changed

1558
01:22:29.390 --> 01:22:30.470 A:middle L:90%
in all these years. You get to the new

1559
01:22:30.470 --> 01:22:32.369 A:middle L:90%
testament, the old testament. And I tell people

1560
01:22:32.369 --> 01:22:33.640 A:middle L:90%
. And then he took us to the Book of

1561
01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:38.479 A:middle L:90%
Revelation that was different. I said Book of Revelation

1562
01:22:38.489 --> 01:22:42.550 A:middle L:90%
was written yesterday because relations suppose stuff they're supposed to

1563
01:22:42.550 --> 01:22:45.149 A:middle L:90%
be happening kind of, you know, So I'm

1564
01:22:45.149 --> 01:22:46.930 A:middle L:90%
saying that maybe wars, rumors of wars will be

1565
01:22:46.930 --> 01:22:49.470 A:middle L:90%
dis invent something like wow to be less. If

1566
01:22:49.470 --> 01:22:51.659 A:middle L:90%
you're not ready for revelation, they're not read it

1567
01:22:51.659 --> 01:22:56.069 A:middle L:90%
because it's scared. Yeah, I said but that

1568
01:22:56.069 --> 01:22:59.909 A:middle L:90%
was hardly was written many hundreds of years ago.

1569
01:23:00.500 --> 01:23:04.039 A:middle L:90%
So then as you know, as much economic Episcopal

1570
01:23:04.039 --> 01:23:06.920 A:middle L:90%
Church as far as two people come out another church

1571
01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:09.670 A:middle L:90%
because they'll just go to church. Yeah, I

1572
01:23:09.670 --> 01:23:11.350 A:middle L:90%
want you to get back to them and they stand

1573
01:23:11.359 --> 01:23:15.529 A:middle L:90%
but some there's no require you to know or not

1574
01:23:15.539 --> 01:23:15.899 A:middle L:90%
. They want, you know, they want their

1575
01:23:15.909 --> 01:23:19.539 A:middle L:90%
banks and new members mean? But remember the church

1576
01:23:19.550 --> 01:23:23.939 A:middle L:90%
? Not much. No. double secret handshake and

1577
01:23:23.939 --> 01:23:25.899 A:middle L:90%
like that. But you got to know some things

1578
01:23:25.899 --> 01:23:28.409 A:middle L:90%
about the church. I kept you away long.

1579
01:23:28.409 --> 01:23:30.079 A:middle L:90%
We've got another 30 minutes. Okay, let me

1580
01:23:30.079 --> 01:23:31.460 A:middle L:90%
ask you 12 more questions. I keep saying that

1581
01:23:31.470 --> 01:23:34.140 A:middle L:90%
. Okay. Any last thoughts about Bishop Marmee?

1582
01:23:34.140 --> 01:23:36.829 A:middle L:90%
And that's one question. And are there any other

1583
01:23:38.300 --> 01:23:42.039 A:middle L:90%
african american peers from ST luke's who were still around

1584
01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:45.289 A:middle L:90%
that? I might want to talk to um Bishop

1585
01:23:45.289 --> 01:23:47.970 A:middle L:90%
Mommy that he was you know, he came to

1586
01:23:47.970 --> 01:23:54.359 A:middle L:90%
us, we open our arms and with open heart

1587
01:23:54.369 --> 01:23:56.100 A:middle L:90%
and you know, and that's again a kind of

1588
01:23:56.100 --> 01:23:58.510 A:middle L:90%
but I guess we were kind of let's say giving

1589
01:23:58.510 --> 01:24:03.020 A:middle L:90%
people kind of experiments experience uh huh in southwest Virginia

1590
01:24:03.020 --> 01:24:06.989 A:middle L:90%
in Virginia and rock in a particular because yeah,

1591
01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:10.520 A:middle L:90%
again, I said that didn't happen in rural Virginia

1592
01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:13.170 A:middle L:90%
. I mean, even though people didn't fighting for

1593
01:24:13.170 --> 01:24:15.510 A:middle L:90%
us and but people just kind of, it's kind

1594
01:24:15.510 --> 01:24:20.789 A:middle L:90%
of unspoken racism like mm he said we want another

1595
01:24:20.789 --> 01:24:25.329 A:middle L:90%
guys, you know, and I think in our

1596
01:24:25.329 --> 01:24:30.750 A:middle L:90%
neighborhood, our particular neighborhood we didn't okay can venture

1597
01:24:30.750 --> 01:24:32.140 A:middle L:90%
out much. But I guess there's a lot of

1598
01:24:32.140 --> 01:24:35.680 A:middle L:90%
people didn't have that racism. Hardhearted racism. Some

1599
01:24:35.680 --> 01:24:39.090 A:middle L:90%
of them are on to the core, but there's

1600
01:24:39.090 --> 01:24:40.590 A:middle L:90%
a reason by them. They don't bother us.

1601
01:24:40.590 --> 01:24:43.609 A:middle L:90%
But the bishop is I guess trying to do this

1602
01:24:43.619 --> 01:24:46.619 A:middle L:90%
, try to institute some change and to say sometimes

1603
01:24:46.619 --> 01:24:50.710 A:middle L:90%
you enforce racism individual people, but you do because

1604
01:24:51.390 --> 01:24:55.020 A:middle L:90%
that's the thing to do because God said we all

1605
01:24:55.020 --> 01:24:58.090 A:middle L:90%
want, we're all one church and that's it was

1606
01:24:58.100 --> 01:25:00.699 A:middle L:90%
because you get church divided. It's different. But

1607
01:25:00.699 --> 01:25:03.619 A:middle L:90%
as far as any other people of americans in,

1608
01:25:04.390 --> 01:25:06.170 A:middle L:90%
most of them happen, I'm saying the muslim have

1609
01:25:06.170 --> 01:25:11.090 A:middle L:90%
passed on. Another one would have been my sister

1610
01:25:11.100 --> 01:25:14.149 A:middle L:90%
, um, what's her name, john ella jean

1611
01:25:14.149 --> 01:25:17.439 A:middle L:90%
military and she has passed in july, the one

1612
01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:24.100 A:middle L:90%
sister has, there's two of us and In most

1613
01:25:24.100 --> 01:25:26.310 A:middle L:90%
of the people in their age, their, you

1614
01:25:26.310 --> 01:25:31.670 A:middle L:90%
know, 65-67-68 and said because there's because we grew

1615
01:25:31.670 --> 01:25:33.699 A:middle L:90%
up with that a lot of my pants down,

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some wanted to the other person, they got married

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01:25:38.380 --> 01:25:41.380 A:middle L:90%
with other states and places and passed on. And

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I can't think of one other person. She was

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01:25:44.250 --> 01:25:45.710 A:middle L:90%
in south Carolina where no one lives here, but

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01:25:46.289 --> 01:25:48.699 A:middle L:90%
she looks for the city wrong. And I don't

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01:25:48.699 --> 01:25:53.460 A:middle L:90%
know if she how involved she would be, she's

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01:25:53.460 --> 01:25:56.840 A:middle L:90%
been involved in the church. But then count yourself

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01:25:56.840 --> 01:26:00.859 A:middle L:90%
, she end up going baptist church because again,

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01:26:00.869 --> 01:26:05.010 A:middle L:90%
when that happens like exploded. You know, employed

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01:26:05.010 --> 01:26:06.520 A:middle L:90%
the next day at the same time. So she

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01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:10.439 A:middle L:90%
left the Episcopal Church and joined the baptist church after

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01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:13.010 A:middle L:90%
ST louis was closed. I might be interested in

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01:26:13.010 --> 01:26:15.090 A:middle L:90%
talking to someone who didn't stick with the Episcopal Church

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01:26:15.100 --> 01:26:18.229 A:middle L:90%
. What was her name? Andrea? Andrea Haley

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01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:20.460 A:middle L:90%
, Is that her name now? She was she

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01:26:20.460 --> 01:26:24.210 A:middle L:90%
was Andrea Galloway and she works for the city.

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Do you have her contact information? Yeah, because

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01:26:30.380 --> 01:26:34.579 A:middle L:90%
yes, she was coming up About 10 paces,

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01:26:34.579 --> 01:26:36.850 A:middle L:90%
nothing here to, you know, the different where

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01:26:36.850 --> 01:26:40.520 A:middle L:90%
I lived. And then she's going to church members

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01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:43.000 A:middle L:90%
and she had a sister lives in south Carolina.

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01:26:43.479 --> 01:26:45.279 A:middle L:90%
But the other ones, uh we had a we

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01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:48.479 A:middle L:90%
had a mess school of about 35-40 kids. A

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01:26:48.489 --> 01:26:50.340 A:middle L:90%
lot of them are gone and gone on there like

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01:26:50.350 --> 01:26:54.500 A:middle L:90%
. Well, that's the last thing about going,

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01:26:54.670 --> 01:26:58.600 A:middle L:90%
I've enjoyed hearing about growing up years. And in

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01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:04.010 A:middle L:90%
your neighbourhood. A ball ball. Any anything I

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01:27:04.010 --> 01:27:06.579 A:middle L:90%
didn't ask that I need to ask or anything you

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01:27:06.579 --> 01:27:10.489 A:middle L:90%
want to comment on. I think it's pretty kind

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01:27:10.489 --> 01:27:13.380 A:middle L:90%
. I hated that that happened that I did because

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, you know, I'm just, I'm like this

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and I found out there is because of integration.

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01:27:16.340 --> 01:27:18.659 A:middle L:90%
I just thought the church was a lot of times

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01:27:18.659 --> 01:27:21.810 A:middle L:90%
you have churches, not financially, uh, they

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01:27:21.819 --> 01:27:24.329 A:middle L:90%
say, okay, well, let's close this one

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01:27:24.329 --> 01:27:27.619 A:middle L:90%
because it's not meaningless functions work. But I know

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01:27:27.630 --> 01:27:31.229 A:middle L:90%
the people that gave nice sums of money. But

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01:27:31.239 --> 01:27:36.050 A:middle L:90%
yeah, he because there because it's like, you

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01:27:36.050 --> 01:27:38.579 A:middle L:90%
know, as I'm saying, we've really got to

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01:27:38.579 --> 01:27:40.710 A:middle L:90%
confirm, but not bring people over there and then

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01:27:40.710 --> 01:27:43.210 A:middle L:90%
we went to the other people because once you,

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01:27:43.579 --> 01:27:45.180 A:middle L:90%
you know, fragment that church, that body,

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01:27:45.180 --> 01:27:47.800 A:middle L:90%
you never get it back together again. So I

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01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:51.590 A:middle L:90%
was like, and I think some people, and

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01:27:51.590 --> 01:27:54.949 A:middle L:90%
if you get an opportunity, like the homeless students

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01:27:54.949 --> 01:27:56.949 A:middle L:90%
there, then they'll come to ST look and say

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01:27:56.960 --> 01:27:59.710 A:middle L:90%
, wow, it's not just with a small church

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01:28:00.069 --> 01:28:00.420 A:middle L:90%
. And I guess, I guess that was the

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01:28:00.420 --> 01:28:03.239 A:middle L:90%
things you look at two. But the bigness of

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01:28:03.239 --> 01:28:06.470 A:middle L:90%
the building doesn't necessarily make the, the the place

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01:28:06.479 --> 01:28:11.479 A:middle L:90%
it's gonna be even warmer. And then to make

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01:28:11.479 --> 01:28:15.739 A:middle L:90%
it any more better religious experience because we had a

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01:28:15.750 --> 01:28:18.020 A:middle L:90%
wonderful religious in that. And then the church we

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have, so it's like a guess what we got

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01:28:20.229 --> 01:28:23.529 A:middle L:90%
across a long time. So I should cross over

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01:28:23.529 --> 01:28:27.079 A:middle L:90%
us. You know, so that's I kind of

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01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:29.920 A:middle L:90%
saw that Campbell because when people are approaching you like

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01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:31.890 A:middle L:90%
we can go, I mean chinese church and transfers

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01:28:31.890 --> 01:28:35.180 A:middle L:90%
them. Uh, hey, apprehension was they want

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01:28:35.189 --> 01:28:39.279 A:middle L:90%
, you won't get the same as the same looks

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01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:42.220 A:middle L:90%
experiencing. Yeah, maybe one or two people to

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01:28:42.220 --> 01:28:45.670 A:middle L:90%
know. But then you kind of go policy is

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01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:47.930 A:middle L:90%
white people, black people. And when people feel

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01:28:47.930 --> 01:28:50.420 A:middle L:90%
comfortable, you know what I'm getting. Some people

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01:28:50.420 --> 01:28:54.529 A:middle L:90%
come from seeing people had some ice from another account

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01:28:54.529 --> 01:28:59.489 A:middle L:90%
here. But you know that that's right. That's

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01:28:59.489 --> 01:29:00.949 A:middle L:90%
right. And that last bit is going to end

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01:29:00.949 --> 01:29:02.590 A:middle L:90%
up in dissertation, Okay?