I'm Carlos. So I worked for the European Commission
in the in the area of research and development programs
and in particular in an area called infrastructure. For those
that are not acquainted with the way the commission is
organized, it's more or less the equivalent to the
cyber infrastructure, the Department of the National Science Foundation
in the US. So and present already? Okay. So
then we have agreed that I can start with a
short presentation on on what we do at the commission in
the area of data infrastructures and the relevance for this
community that is meeting today and the topic of preservation.
And I'll try to to say a few things to
in context because in fact I should be celebrating or
we should be celebrating in Europe. The fact that yesterday
the European parliament voted the financial envelope from 2014
to 2020 means that we are now pretty sure that
we will have the resources to deploy the Research Development
and Innovation Program Horizon 2020 in the coming seven years.
So this is good news for us and doing
and one of the parts of this relatively deep
program is related with the research infrastructure and the infrastructure
is as I said. And, it's a seven year
program. So it gives us time to think and
to approach things in a in a way that brings
the right decisions, the right informed decisions about deploying
infrastructures. So, and it will start by actually
exchanged discussing with you yesterday during dinner on what is the relation
between the infrastructures and the things that you have been
discussing. I have to say that I can't help
looking at this community as being people involved in designing
and actually operating infrastructure. So the world of libraries
and the world of archives for me is the world
of infrastructures and I insist because in in the commission
where we are organized, we have some resources of
the budget is actually for building capacity and funding,
infrastructures, not research. So we have a very
strong and clear mandate from the European member states not
to spend this money which is not a lot compared
to the full envelope on research but rather on the
infrastructures in support of research and education in Europe.
So, and this is actually expected from a meeting
from the Swedish Royal Academy where where there is a
there was an attempt to define what we mean by
infrastructure and if we read it point by point,
you see that and you are in fact an infrastructure.
So a research infrastructure is something that is of
broad interest for research, education, innovation and so
on. And I offer a scope for leading research.
It's used by several research teams for advanced projects.
It's so large in some sense that individual groups cannot
operate them on their own. Have long term plans
for scientific objectives felony and exploitation. It's open accessible
for researchers and it is persistently providing services. So
this definition really can be of a big installation like
a telescope of the square kilometer already which is usually
very big investments and it's part of actually the program
I am involved in. But it's also a good
definition for archives and for for the topics we are
discussing today. So we have in Europe a very clear um
framework, policy framework with very clear objectives and preservations part
of the so called framework and scientific information which is
basically set in these three documents that are communications from
the commission to the parliament and to the Council of
Member States. So they they are documents that the
commission provides to the european parliament to the council and
then they undergo a process of discussion and then then
I finally closed this dialogue takes one year um and
finally they are closed with what we call council conclusions
. But this is not important. The important thing
is to say that we have these three documents which
are quite important for the frame for framing our work
in this area. So one is the concept of
the european research area, which is something we are
very much engaged in the commission to provide the conditions
. So things like mobility of researchers is not yet
completely an easy thing. It's something easy to achieve
in europe. So someone from the university in a
member state wants to change um as an offer and
another university in another Member States, it's not so
easy to move from one country, believe it or
not, it's it's the case. So this is
just one example of the european research Then we have
the scientific information package which has basically four parts one
on open access to scientific publications, another one on
open access to research data and a third one on
long term data preservation, scientific data preservation And the
the infrastructure that could have been the 33. But
and finally we have a document which is very much
like the objective of this group which is about aligning
. So it's a recommendation, it's not a communication
, it's a recommendation from the Commission to the Member
States recommending them a number of actions in which way
the digital long term preservationists, one of these actions
and these recommendations these recommendations. Allied attempt to align
national policies which is really one of the important objectives
of our work. So now I go immediately to
the concept of of the architectures we are promoting in
terms of of research infrastructures and increase presented the research
data alliance, which is something we consider strategic to
help us building this sort of scenario. So we
see the research that infrastructure in europe emerging as a
distributed and participatory architecture. So having notes that can
be actually individuals or institutions coming together to offer services
. So the logic is really the service concept of
a service provided to someone is at the core the
logic of what we mean by distributed open architecture for
them for them for the infrastructures we support that provide
services for discovery ability, access and interoperability of data
. Um that also ensures that storage the data part
and the computing part are seen as as part of
the same problem that we don't have a stream of
funding for data infrastructures and for computing but there is
two worlds come as close as possible and of course
all of it relying on high speed connectivity, global
connectivity issued by performance. Finally I will skip a
bit of this you know this article about who's going
to pay you are discussing and this is one of
the things now I would like to focus your attention
on actually the good news is that we have a
budget as I said and the red blocks the parts
I directly involved in in in the unit. I
work on the infrastructures and you see that the data
part is here As these four boxes. One is
the topic as you call it. And managing preserving
and computing with big research data infrastructure for open access
towards global debt infrastructure, research data lines. So
, very specific objective, supporting the research data alliance
and the provision of course services across the infrastructure which
is also very much related with this domain. We
will have we have also other domains, as I
said before related with distributed computing and high performance computing
. Which is something I would invite this audience also
to look very close in the future too, to
collaborate with the communities that we are also funding related
to dealing with the services, computational services and software
. So in this area these areas are resourced,
we will launch calls end of this year and with
closing dates meet next year roughly. And I think
I would close here and then open to discussion will
be part of the discussion. But what I wanted
actually to say is that I think that this community
is uh has already a lot of work done.
This is what I understand from being here and discussing
with you and that europe believes that the topic of
preservation is an important one from an infrastructure point of
view. So resources will be put there that it's
not only an european objective but it's actually required global
collaboration to to achieve also 1 1 objective of getting
the solutions that are cost effective. So this will
be an important aspect to consider so that whatever solution
is done and collaborations across the globe with colleagues in
the U. S. And so on, leads
to to cost effective solutions towards to economies of scale
and I can give you a little bit more details
about about the program later on. But what in
summary we in europe will support this area. We
would like this community too to step forward and I
pass you the hot potato too to organize yourselves in
a way that we can have really global approach an
effective approach to the topic of long term data and
I think that was a great I know um idea
of passing the hot potato to us as a community
because we'll talk about online. Um in my mind
, it assumes that there's going to be more than
one, there isn't going to be one range,
you should rule them all. And that it's those
linkages between our organizations that's going to make this work
. We are always we're not just a number of
one community we own, I guess voices in many
communities. So um actually I'm gonna go with that
thought and pass it over to because I mean she
has some things to show. No right that it's
great The 1st town bigger. Associate Universal library for
the scholarship and preservation of corner the program X and
physics. Actually in this panel we're asked to think
about next steps toward alignment. And what about future
opportunities? Strategy. This is a huge task.
I will just modestly share with you. Just a
few ideas and I hope you don't mind that I
may admit some of the work that we are doing
at Cornell as some of the examples to illustrate just
as they came. The media plays, I was
thinking about examples Cliff flinch when he started, he
pointed out that alignment is not interdependence, but it
is the process of reflecting values themes and creating a
cohesive agenda. So I guess what I'm reflecting on
alignment issues. That's useful. You see the script
that Cliff Stardust digital preservation more and more reminds me
of Digital humanities, those of you who are working
in humanity is actually being called now because so many
shoes are moved into the Digital humanities that when I'm
at the meetings especially extract them when they ask you
what is digital humanities, I had the hardest time
. I'm just wishing that they will not ask you
what it is. I usually so right With digital
preservation, we might be approaching that stage. When
we began our conversation 20 years ago we began with
retrospective conversion, digitizing special suspicious special material, historic
photographs, periodicals. And very soon it turned into
this kind of in a way confusing with prospective conversion
of preservation. But we very long way since then
, because now if you look at our scope last
three days talked about from born digital ties from static
to dynamic from Scotland. So we had a very
, very broad scope. So obviously, you know
, we are energized, charged and worried and we
are all getting ready to leave and as we are
getting on the plane and landing inevitably what will happen
is that although we are very clear minded organization and
community think about what the local needs are that one
institutions. So when I think about alignment and next
concrete steps true, it's kind of a more of
a practical approach because, you know, when we
think about an action agenda, form new groups,
but also video of us belong to groups already.
So we can contribute to those groups. We heard
about groups, we can join those groups, but
most importantly, we are all change agents, that
we can spread some of these ideas in our networks
. When I these ideas please think about those three
steps. But I also feel that we do have
many organizations that are mainly initiatives already. So I
think it's a good thing about streamlining mainstream. First
of all, I want to talk about two or
three words that I've heard of the working class,
I think it's sustainable, huge word. And then
the register would be another and collaboration at least in
my mind, that's kind of my work. I
want to start with sustainability and I'm sorry that will
begin referred to click flinch because he said, he
said that cinema became a code word for someone needing
someone else to pay for it. So I think
as an action agenda, I suggest that we reinterpret
sustainability without community maybe being inspired by how environmental sciences
approaching sustainability, sustainability is the capacity to endure and
by buildings. Of course money is very important,
but it is not sufficient. There are other things
that really feed into what makes an enterprise state it
has, sort cannot be pretentious. And I want
to just give you a couple of examples in the
street. Anyway, my suggestion of us thinking about
Sabrina good and much, much richer. First of
all, I was really happy to hear this,
but we are all spiro acknowledging that although we are
cultural institutions, many of us are nonprofit having business
perspectives should not necessarily seen as a non profit concept
, having a business approach critically issue for us,
especially as we have an increasing mandates and shrinking budgets
. So I was very pleased to hear risk assessments
, return investment cost models, marketing plans, annual
budgets. So I suggest that we really bring in
these concepts more of obviously the other issue which really
ties in sustainability is stakeholder analysis and awareness building.
We are a wonderful group but I think we're also
homogeneous that I would have loved to see maybe a
couple of faculties can any technology is a little more
commercial and these presented maybe more government agencies and from
stakeholder analysis actually tie into this concept of information literacy
. Again, was it was a constant mentioned figure
at all. Again, looking at it from Stanwood
perspective, I also suggest that we think about more
digital literacy cities than information literacy, digital literacy czar
, comprehensive questions how we survive, how we thrive
in a digital culture rather than just focusing on information
and a part of these delicious eases in use of
engaging our stakeholders, having our provost, faculty administrators
understand the importance of preservation, vulnerability of digital data
theories and of course other important stakeholders. I know
that many of you do, but he said we
have fantastic opportunities especially in libraries to offer workshops or
training sessions or embedded session courses to teach. But
its faculty or grad students about the best practice to
create digital because that is the content that we will
be maintain as long as we came was wonderful to
put it upstream again, thinking about sustainability and environmental
concepts before we address cleaning up or preserving. Want
to think about how can create an environment that kind
of minimizes other issues. Assessment again, Cliff mentioned
this, I think assessment and outcomes are really,
really important issues. It's also overwhelming. But make
small budgets. I will give an example for now
Cornell and Columbia last two years have been collaborating on
Egypt reservation around you probably know that, you know
, depending on how we are counting, we have
30-48,000 journals, journals out there. And unfortunately libraries
, cultural institutions collections building as Vicki and I were
discussing, it would be very insightful. E pointed
out from collection building, we're kind of moving into
more managing licenses. So one of our interest areas
from Columbia and Cornell perspective was you know, we
all are heavily dependent on the journal subscriptions. What
presidential of them are being preserved, whether it's locks
or clocks or And just to generalize a couple other
institutions also actually went through the same exercise and their
conclusion was 20- 25%. The journals that men's
depending on their souls. That depending on had had
some sort of I want to highlight When I say
20, this is what we are collecting not what
is being could be published and especially so actually with
support from the Mellon Foundation continuous study and I give
you an example of assessment because I know it's such
a small study and minor dance but having these numbers
are looking again five years from now and saying oh
we are now at 35%. We do need to
have some measures just go to give us a better
sense of where we are but also give us a
sense of four strategies uh with sustainability very very quickly
. I also want to mention that many of us
again at Cornell the institutions I know we continue to
depend on grant funds for anything we do in this
preservation area that is important substantial. I can argue
that 70% of what we hope during this conference was
soft money based. Especially I also am well aware
that many of you have been very successful in embedding
programs and responsibilities into your organizational structure. Maybe you
are next conference. I would love to see more
emphasis on new organizations. How are we? How
are we engineering libraries? How are we distributing these
roles? Because we are not going to go too
far away by creating preservation department. It has to
be embedded in the acquisitions from licensing stage two public
services collection building. So this is an area that
I think it's critical. Mhm saying about that person
. The second word that I heard a lot was
registry and think I'm not running out of time.
Probably should speed up a bit with registry. We
talked about registry with failures tools, learning objects initiatives
that I'm worried about registries because registries sometimes are forgotten
. We have Around seven incomplete registries. So the
proposal is for us to look into or purpose and
think about the tools maybe from a fresh perspective,
what are the new communication tools and patterns like I
was wondering, you know, maybe I wasn't involved
in moocs massive, open online courses work within our
institutions and create a couple of courses in this area
just to be global. So it's just one example
thinking about What are the 21st century's of maintaining and
spreading this information. Um collaboration. Again, I'm
going to go fast and give you just examples of
collaboration. First of all, I should note that
obviously highly desirable but if you're demanding process there are
politically social interpersonal. Many of the collaborations I have
enjoyed and I found were productive were also energized by
the good interpersonal skills and team building skills of leaders
. But looking at us as collaborators, we may
learn from the research because when you look at the
research science data community, we are seeing complementary organizations
coming together. We have domain scientists, government agencies
funding funding bodies, librarians, archivists technologies. So
again it's my call for branding and partner. So
that's kind of more of a win win situation.
Quick example at Cornell, we start a new audio
video initiatives and we are actually argument whatever learning knowledge
technologies unit because in theory large portion of learning objects
that were faculty are creating or research people research material
. Therefore our academic technology is very much interested in
a kind of just conclude I would actually, I
heard more about two concepts. One of them is
used and usability issues. You know, we have
a hard how are we going to use the content
that we are preserving access issues, discover how are
they going to discover, how are they going to
be access? And also from using musical perspective David
Rosenthal's notion of taking risks maybe with loss to gain
capacity. So that sort of user issues. And
the last thing I want to point out, there's
an example of an issue. I would have loved
to hear more and I hope we will hear more
of his open access and new forms of scholarly communication
as we are seeing blur boundaries between scholarly and popular
content. And also we're the same. I'm jeremy
york Assistant director Cross. And I just want just
thank the conference organizers briefly for giving this one more
go. It's a lot to organize. I think
it's incredibly important. Plastic. Yeah. Um it's
really been a rich, rich discussion. A lot
of ways. I've taken a particular slice. You'll
hear a lot of the same things. I hope
it's valuable here things in a slightly different way.
Some of the things that have struck me are the
enormity of the work. Ah that's been expressed with
the small number of people that are here. All
the issues funding, trying to fund grants. It
just seems coachable for some of the issues that stood
out days. Our first what what Cliff mentioned is
specialization of Linkages between preservation and access one. Digital
preservation. What does digital presentation have to do with
access and Discovery? The 2nd 1 is the idea
of preservation in place. That David, I think
he's session that they write Flynn. The 3rd is
the succession of content strategies and the fourth, I
was speaking with a common voice. Also known as
alignment of goals and including inclusion of diverse voices.
So the idea of the global versus the international.
So what are some specific things that we can do
? And they just kind of informed my advice things
. But excuse me for reading a little bit.
So libraries and other cultural heritage institutions are existing now
in a diverse and increasingly complex ecosystem. Where despite
the challenges we have in securing funding for digital preservation
. There are many, many entities out there that
are offering digital preservation services and many who are paying
for those services. We are not the only ones
interested are the only ones developing cheese and digital considerations
. We need to find our place in the new
ecosystem, identify what the special value is that we
bring its libraries and cultural heritage institutions and how we
can interact with all the players to be members of
the team other than the only ones. To be
sure we're achieving our objectives. So I get the
sense sometimes that when we talk about alignment, we're
talking, talking aligning my service that silo with your
stewardess backside reservation. That's Discovery. And I think
we might take a broader view. Uh and imagine
one broad stack that we all participate in that includes
preservation, Discovery, access and so forth and look
broadly across sectors and who's engaged in all those activities
. So the cross sector has come up a lot
of times so we could view ourselves for example,
rather than as a preservation service provider of providers becoming
part of a broad technical and human infrastructure that allows
preservation to occur and other services to run. So
there are companies today offering preservation services for things that
we might not collect now or don't have the capacity
to collect. I don't think that we should begrudge
that begrudge vendors or anyone who's doing preservation work.
We should encourage preservation activities to keep content that could
be valuable uh and of interest alive as long as
possible. We should seek to develop relationships with entities
that are keeping the content alive and pursue strategies that
achieve our goals. And I think this is where
the success. So some of the specific strategies and
concrete things we can do to create this infrastructure,
I think internally within our community, we can come
together around functions providing infrastructure where we can for access
services for discovery services, for services that enhance our
collecting abilities, knowledge gathering, knowledge sharing abilities because
of the linkages between these services and their their underlying
reliance on the preservation of information. I think if
we focus on the functions and the special aspect that
we as libraries bring to those functions broadly across the
sectors will ultimately be meeting our broader goals. I
think we should also think about infrastructure not only being
technical but humans and this is a sort of education
, teaching and outreach aspect. We've been talking about
how we can integrate our curriculum for digital preservation and
existing education curriculum. So the information organization curation and
preservation become a basic part of english class science class
history, haven't they? Always been? Literally literacy
is changing digital. Digital literacy is changing. What
can we do to be sure that the digital literacy
is an infrastructure are given when we learn in our
school and our lives. So then I just wanted
to close with three even more specific things we can
do to further our alignment and participate in infrastructure.
The first is to expose the specifications we're using for
our preservation and preservation practices. How many of us
are sharing information about our use of premise our validation
practices, documentation of our systems and workflows being more
transparent, can help us see our areas of blindness
. Okay. 2nd to the extent possible exposed educational
resources. The actual educational resources that were used.
If someone has a desire to learn how they can
manage their files better preserve the images on their phone
, where they can go to get their family photos
digitized and integrated as part of a larger collection.
An institution or a corporation wants to learn how to
do that. They should be able to very easily
go and find these resources and then lastly expose our
data, whether it's content rights information, any kind
of metadata we can be oriented towards exposing as much
as possible within our relevant circles. So it may
only be two partners at first, it may only
be in the closed circle, but I think the
more we practice sharing, the more we'll get better
experience, paul, will you please example, laughter
is a great example of this. You know,
we share normal developed strategies to facilitate. So all
of these I think are things that will help us
speak with a common voice, be and built the
infrastructure we need and accomplish more together than we ever
believed. Mm hmm. I'm not pushing you guys
abstract and abstract, but yeah, I'm gonna go
home and I'm going to put our premise documentation on
our website. It's been too long. It's been
finished for quite some time. It's been finished the
price at some time. But it's a certain thing
that's been holding me up. I'm gonna remove that
link to the document that's not quite finished. That's
one. Yeah. What are you gonna do?
Yeah. Mhm, fascinating. I mean, I
mean when we talk about me, whatever you've been
talking about me the last few days, it's everybody
in the room and I think that people talk about
will end up doing this or will those organizations do
this? You are that organization. Nothing happens unless
you do something and it can be as small as
writing up the logbook is about your experience here committing
to putting out promise doctor. So I'm throwing it
back to nancy. But you should be thinking about
what you're going to do postings hopefully. And wow
. And we're sure problem. Very inspired. And
what needed to share more of what we are doing
, Whether it's the new journal, we have some
stuff happening with the media. But also I think
when I go along, we had a small group
of colleagues were interested, there's no encourage us more
. Think about outsourcing. Yes. I sometimes worry
that some of us at an institutional level you were
looking at, especially on our own applause for assistance
. And so interesting. So Rachel came into him
, microphone. David David blockbuster. Mhm 8:00 in
California three. Okay, so in three hours there
will be summary of our session. Mhm and kate
without reviewing details. And and so, wow.
We are starting to align some currently. Yeah,
mm hmm. Yeah, I do have a pretty
detailed notes. He said it was a super Any
notes. No time now. So people can see
them now. We do that at the forum,
rough or not. That's nice. It's in a
session. Just put the title of the session and
stick it share language can help you guys. I
think sometimes as time goes by kind of edit and
clean things up and sometimes the best ideas were next
basically anybody else? What are you gonna do?
What? No, that really extends it. They
can extend it in a broader way. So we
two trips and surround them. Great idea not to
have to hear this Alaska, all my love.
That's good. Ah and we could drill down to
that end of the road better I think we can
about ways to extend. And so I'd like to
actually don't work directly my work. He was saying
perhaps the way about inventing it across the library.
Right. Yes, not so much. There's lots
of things like that. Two million living with that
. The conversation on the longer term The Horizon 2020
, 2014: 2020 I'm looking forward to that.
What would success look like for the program, will
it be about versions of infrastructure? Oh, for
some Exactly. All right. Yeah, it struck
me that some of the logic following more incense,
get a little bit tiny operation in terms. So
that the question to me is what I expect you
to to do in the coming days and weeks thinking
in long term. So I would say that expect
well I will go home and wait For 11 December
where we will publish please. So in the official
journal of the european. So we will have then
I expect some of the key program where the sun
goes first, it will be in ready to step
in and provide a very robust and clear plan from
now and projecting ourselves. We are already there,
look backwards on what was that? The goal of
this very robust and service for data. Yeah.
Covering all the research data in europe and in the
world you will be able so this that we have
this service well well defined with all the sub layers
from the linkage of of let's call them notes bye
. Global information that is so performing that can cover
needs but also cutting across domains that leverage investments than
at member state level and yeah, you know the
policy is alive so that you can agreements between member
states on for instance, yeah, providing seamlessly countries
one so that you will avoid investing all the time
if you expect the bus so to make it simple
that you start working on the proposal together we yeah
open access or the commune. Well you you that
was with the road map for the and and then
finally research means to ministers in europe science that your
discussion and then is well, you know, so
that in the Okay past when you where you're from
instead of shortly project resources or not. Mm hmm
. Um Carlos, Mark community curious. Mhm.
Some of ours mr in the US and europe,
we work closely with them um in Washington black.
Yeah, this I think abroad through our, what
we are discussing. Yeah, it will happen in
a sort of see it goes along the RDS process
that all of a sudden we are solutions are aware
of what the others are doing in terms of timing
, funding and so on. And this is something
we have by causing yes, what not to call
Yes work one kind of lightweight to coordinate. So
I would on the all our interlocutors. Well,
no thanks. Yes. Solution. That's good.
The scores just receive impossible to get more or less
in the same time frames the side we this kind
of natural. So by the age, important points
of this meeting, for instance, happens around the
planet ideas. One of the what we would like
also no make this community not meet each other.
Come on as you can. So, so in
europe we the collapse that form able forums, sir
the end and they with us because we have regular
meetings with them and one idea work. Why of
the user form use the form for all types of
service and in the last meeting we were made paid
for anyway. Landscape in europe. I said well
because he seems so you will have user for that
uses expect division and before you will. Mhm No
, started and joined forces. You very the idea
of form. So as we are daddy, there
you are us audience. But how interesting how many
have signed up for or just cue that up.
I mean, I mean it seems like, I
mean we often talk, I need to build schools
in the environment and it seems like this conversation is
that mm embed ourselves where the congress is. So
um, and then I questions from the group.
Yes. So when we're talking about spreading the word
about right with, wow, what about the government
and I don't have to say. Sure. So
hybrid and it's been interesting hearing on. Yes.
So I'm going to go and write a geology the
organization in Alabama Which has a 10 year anniversary coming
up which is the perfect time to raise awareness because
we submitted proposal two library association and so I'm gonna
be speaking and I'm gonna come. I'm gonna go
and include how fabulous this is and that because I
have yeah, I've been my game and expanding my
own horizons. Let's come here. And I hope
that maybe next time There will be two popular libraries
then we can have different really curious. Okay,
so just kind of wondering if this, if this
was the last the meeting you say there, I
promise or the have decided to say wait, you
guys talk about this and Mhm I would I think
even if we go in brand but missing something I'm
going away. That's great. But it was very
pretty you said. And so thank you summary.
But I would love to be able to go to
birds of a feather session say speaking. All right
, right here. That means that joint means version
. No way. What springer? Hey, thank
you. But how do we get it outside of
this? Hang on it. Yeah. Mhm I
think that's great. What what does you know bridge
the last two? Mhm How it works. See
coming up no one God, yeah. This broad
range of things that we've talked about here featured information
from different projects, initiatives, ideas that are springing
up. We'd be best surgeons made to be pointing
people in those directions. We've got to think Henry
I think about having a task that's useful but also
sustainable, capable of being with the tiny little Catherine
. This has been huge burn to rejection organized.
Mhm privilege. So, I mean the model I'm
thinking in my mind is that We have amended act
as a clearing house for for pushing people onto if
you're interested in cost Taylor's this thing called Foresee project
that's going on for the next 18 or 12 months
or 14 months this might be your best place to
go to for the time being. Do you think
your way around the economics of curation. Have the
soles registry called kata. We will last longer than
that, et cetera. We have if you want
to go to see a lot of school. Mm
hmm. Digital preservation platform membership only had an anti
trust. I mean, there are many ways and
many things that we can point at this community that
was hopefully deal with this problem of implications. And
so I guess I'm just saying, you know,
we should probably go attention in an ongoing Yeah documentation
to it is lightweight as possible. No. Okay
. That's deserve from the other side. Third approaches
Yes. Right. You good job. The fact
we had recently discussions again in the context of the
city commission like programs with all the led by the
Yeah. And that they were Yeah, they ventured
some figures the cost of presentation dating the and managers
in the commission become really uncomfortable with these entities.
One cannot saying members of it aligning policies. He's
felt a process that we have all to engage individually
. Okay. Resources. It doesn't mean that we
have to resources just to reshape them in wait that
those division of comfortable that what and then yes,
valid. And that is something that with the experience
said, well, if you go this way you
have the best or at least we think it's the
best of the world in terms of investment. Mhm
. So this community has the world of light.
I think this is a good asset and it's not
something for tomorrow, it has to be from today
2020 there's to be a process of alignment because we
have a lot of legacy passing from, from where
we are today, really resilient services, we do
the knowledge and skills because we, what is it
that was about at some point during the today or
yesterday, someone put up a slide that listed most
of the digital preservation related. Yes and and it
certainly wasn't a complete organ and organizations and it wasn't
a complete list and there were at least six or
eight and it didn't include things like that was and
one of the from Nancy in most sessions, one
checklists for why aren't we being question but I remember
the checkbox was um too many, too many activities
and efforts being done. Yeah, well I take
meals points, mhm probably don't Yeah and she benefited
from this is that year in person and talk to
people sitting on eventually research and I wonder if it
would be, if there's any motivation or possibility getting
together the leaders, all the ingredients is even happening
of the various and you know, maybe the alliance
that we can do as the alignment teeth, we
are now a team, you're now the alignment Brandon
, it is too ah make alignment part of those
other groups and and make them and at least make
more training to help everyone more transparent about why so
many. Yes and I have no idea. Okay
. Right. Mhm. Yeah. Agriculture we take
yeah so on under his perspective. Please solve the
problem. Yeah. No they're trying to solve problems
. Thanks fire. Yeah. All right. I
would say that yeah a lot of power being able
to align oh what we're used to doing that are
now that we're doing that. So your efforts contributing
. I'm thinking particularly the arguing participating in that round
the solution to that joint be a terrific last Canada
. I think it was perhaps Brand Vander Wert and
neal who suggested creating a labor exchange where people can
sign up to work on specific. I would very
much encourage that after and we have people that minds
very interested in working on specific. So jeremy stop
Yeah. How many that our services across this Pizza's
christmas day is that our professional librarians are used to
being an interdisciplinary right. Yeah. And some have
pointed out to me library theory something back my friendship
theory really Advanced since the 70s. Is that right
? Maybe we need to do some more. Right
, well thank you and I'm not not assigned judgment
or our plan. What I mean what what is
our job, what do we do? What do
we stand for? What are the problems we're trying
to solve and we talk when we talk about having
a unified voice. I mean when we go into
these other communities, what is what is what is
the mission of our profession and what is the value
that we bring to the table. And I think
that needs to be refreshed comments. He also helped
me. Mhm. I might artists scott really good
at our issues roll that are our currencies. Say
I think the library schools are in the US we're
seeing quite a lot of schools. The other one
. one of a kind of note that for now
we are seeing especial postdocs, assuming agent schrader also
managing data. So I think that's why it's really
important that I like it expected with not only think
about our own teams and skill sets, think about
distributing some of these responsibilities especially when they are okay
now research data. Various aspects. There's definitely managed
and happening within the laboratories. That's for you to
go researching the management plans or for us. Yeah
. Position preservation services as services to extend what skill
sets, best practices tools rather than inward that we
have the repository feeling. Yeah, I just wanted
to say that I want to reiterate something we've said
in a previous session. Um I don't think we
have this abundance of organizations who are all duplicating effort
. I think we are dividing and conquering. We
have some digital preservation organizations on national levels. There's
nestor, N. D. D. D.
D. P. C. And so on.
Were addressing practitioners issues uh and um policy issues on
a national level we have the O. P.
F. We're all integrated with the O. P
. F. On a technological level, we have
a memorandum of understanding. We work together. We
coordinate our activities where we are mm hmm. It
is actually reaching out massively. Our organizations are getting
more and more involved in extremely funded projects. Which
is a fantastic thing. Especially in the EU funded
projects with every project we have, we add new
industries, we add new sectors. We have partners
have previously never thought about preservation and it is,
it is an organically growing but very well organized and
very well communicated network that that is actually working.
I don't think we need to just be moaning.
We should actually just go out and do our jobs
. The DPC is building a network in the United
Kingdom and in Ireland and growing and people's competencies are
improved all the time. So what I will do
is just going to do my job when I go
back martin. So what I'm hearing is that there
may be less need for a new organization and the
network, something resembling, you know, something like
the internet, a inter networking protocol for communication and
coordination and an alignment, you know, specifically have
points, some kind of regular points nation and you
know, really these conversations started exactly that that impulse
and to try to figure out how can we we
know yourself right. Those are great doing security for
conversations would have, you know, in in ended
up sessions or workshops in individual other meetings and we
are going to have the right to call out.
Mm hmm I want to, we're having a session
on Canada upcoming CNN meeting in just a week or
so. So I think there's points to come away
with and also in the summary points carrying forward as
All right, scattered. We did this last I
thought a bit over well, ever since the first
, you know, what is the role of this
? Should it be a standing organization? And I'm
very much sure going through this meeting and having time
to digest halloweens, but I don't want to be
a standard. What what you really want to be
is a workshop years. Right. And you can
do sort of focus things as half day workshop bringing
stop. Um it's really about spinning off ideas for
fruit and used for collaboration just as you kind of
went through today and Here 10 12 things and the
nature of them in almost all cases, is there
some fairly logic continue to follow? I don't need
and you followed what you need is a place never
pretty diverse. Range to really just kind of brainstorm
. Where did these opportunities sit? And I would
really, or that's that's true forward now, of
course there's a bit of work besides having workshops which
mostly is about trying to itself delighted working book was
a very important piece of four. That's of course
please. That would be mhm. Um I also
borrowed really and push back a bit which was about
trying to really understand for what I don't want to
say. That's a bad idea. Want to say
that this that the right place that this is a
place that actually benefits from getting the not just librarians
and people out of the library tradition but out of
a whole lot of yes around cultural broadly archivists broadcast
and actually, yeah, whether at some point I
want to bring in almost political. I think that
there is a very important discussion we had within profession
. This is not the right. I think we
wrap this up also like closing words from librarian ship
and if you substituted librarian cultural marriages that aligning with
what you're thinking. Is that right? Or is
it? I guess I just sort of say at
least looking from the letters pretty how things are yes
, there is fashion of culture there there there's a
whole series, professions with very deep traditions that come
together somehow. Mhm. Move that very diverse.
And I think within each one there's there's plenty about
sorting how how those values. Mhm. I see
the conversation here though, expect yeah, being the
ability to speak, that's sort of great. You
don't compete. Close this down. Thanks panels.
Mm hmm.