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All right. Well, welcome to the final session

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here of the second. Well, that the final

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, Because we have a movie. But the final

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panel of, uh, of this, uh,

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second Veterans and Society Conference, and I just want

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to start by first, um, thanking all of

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you for coming. Uh, you know, without

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you hear, nothing really will happen. And the

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potential for what we envision can only be realized through

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the kinds of conversations that have begun here. So

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, um, you know, we'll be talking more

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about that as the panel goes on. I secondly

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, want to thank everybody here on to my left

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and the one person who is not to my left

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. But there she is in the back, who

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has been, um, absolutely essential support. So

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this is this is your planning committee. Uh,

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and and Heidi is our co chair, as you

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well know. And, uh, where is Kelly

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Kelly's back there? Yeah, Thanks. Kelly,

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back there. Okay. So, yeah. Kelly

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, how come you're not up here? Okay,

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Alright. Alright. So, Kelly, but And

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the other side about Kelly Bellinger up there is that

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, uh, as you as you read the program

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, I mean, We needed a home this year

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, and the Center for the Study of Rhetoric and

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Society made a perfect home for what we're doing.

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And so that's that's That's where we are. Since

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this is a an opportunity for us to talk about

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this concept of veterans in society, Um, and

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it's about humanizing the discourse. And since although my

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PhD is in the rhetoric, my first degrees in

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literature and I thought I'd start by reading a poem

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, and I'm going to use that as a sort

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of Touchstone to try to frame my comments and it

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might, I think it will make it will be

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appropriate based upon some of the discussions that we've heard

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today. It's a very short poem. It's on

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it, written by Robert Frost, whom I wrote

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my master's thesis on at Berkeley when I was on

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active duty, and I basically wrote that Robert Frost

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was a war poet and people were like couldn't figure

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out how and why I would say such a thing

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. But this poem is called a soldier. He

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is that fallen lance that lies as hurled, that

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lies unlisted, now come due come rust but still

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lies pointed as it plowed the dust. If we

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who site along it around the world see nothing worthy

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to have been, it's Mark is because, like

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men we look to near forgetting that is fitted to

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the sphere. Our missiles always make too short and

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arc. They fall. They ripped the grass,

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they intersect the curve of earth and striking break their

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own. They make us cringe for metal point on

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stone. But this we know the obstacle that checked

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and tripped the body, shot the spirit on further

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then Target ever showed or show that really a strange

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way to start this conversation. But you know,

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there's several things that are going on there for me

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. And one of the facts is that, you

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know, Frost lost one of his best friends.

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Edward Thomas, a fellow poet, a British poet

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in the war. And this poem is really written

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about Edward Thomas, but it's written about everybody as

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well who who has served. And so there's a

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There's a there's a there's a respect that's going on

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there that I value I respect for some some act

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of courage or heroism or, um, it may

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be beyond our understanding at this moment. At the

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same time, there's an anonymity anonymity. That bothers

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me, and I think that part of the fact

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that the poem is called a soldier is sort of

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why it was one of the reasons why we're here

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, because it's very It's very easy to not see

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a soldier and airmen, a Marine, a sailor

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. They have no name, they have no family

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, they have no community. And one of the

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things that we have tried to do here, I

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think and we want to do in the long run

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is to build communities, communities of scholars and communities

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around what we're doing. I think Nancy's presentation today

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talked about that and the fact that the veterans hospital

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and the fact that the wounded the Virginia Wounded Warrior

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program and the fact that the association United States Army

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and the fact that all of these organizations came and

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are here today and have been here with us,

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that is a huge step forward for what we're trying

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to do because as a veteran, as we're tired

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Army as a scholar, as someone who wants to

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see a scholarly program created around my fellow veterans and

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their families, that cannot be done by scholars alone

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. In fact, scholars alone talk themselves and probably

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will not accomplish much of anything. However more can

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it be accomplished by the military in any form.

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Shape? It's not. They're not cable. That's

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not their job. And nor is it going to

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be accomplished by our policymakers because we already we're here

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because they're not. They're not fulfilling their obligations long

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term to the communities that veterans belong to. So

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what we're here today to do, in my mind

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, is to begin building communities. Thank you.

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What are we You're just speaking. Yeah. Just

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a few words. You know, I don't want

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to. Back following. I guess our charge was

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just to say a few words about what we've been

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thinking about. My name is David Klein. Uh

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, I teach in the history department at Tech,

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and, um, I've been working on, I

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guess, for about I'm embarrassed to say maybe 12

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years now, on and off a project on the

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African American experience during the Korean War and the integration

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of the military. I'm very much a historian,

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uh, from the school of bottom up history.

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Um, I use lots of oral history. In

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my work, I corroborate everything against other sources.

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But I'm very much listening to the people who experienced

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, um, and the book that I'm working on

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and the radio documentary that worked on 10 years ago

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for NPR. That's the core of this project.

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Was the veterans telling their own stories? Um,

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so the question that I'm thinking about and I just

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want to say and recognizes that they're the experts,

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Right. Um, so the question I've been thinking

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about sort of all day is about perspective and voice

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and in thinking about what a future program might look

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like, or the future of discussions like this.

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Um, what truly Democratic forms can veteran studies in

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an academic setting? Um, take that. Recognizes

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, um, the expertise through direct experience of the

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veteran. And this gets at what you are saying

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half smiling and but totally serious. As far as

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I'm concerned that, you know, leave it to

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the academics. We're gonna get it wrong. Um

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, So how do we do this? As a

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as a truly representative community, um, and move

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the discussion forward. So that's what I've been thinking

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about all day, and I've been seeing that in

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all the various panels that's been resonating for me.

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I'm really glad David's a part of this. So

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, I mean, this is again were the fact

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that we're moving interdisciplinary Lee right up here on is

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a huge step forward. So because bring it closer

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. Yep. My name is Barb Virgin. I

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existence. Yeah, you can support you for undergraduate

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students. Uh huh. About three years ago,

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I got involved with Veterans Support Initiative Team, which

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is a university wide committee that was formed Oh,

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about three. About 3.5 to 4 years ago to

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identify, to look into what the needs were of

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our student veterans on campus and to see how we

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can you know that support them and promote their academic

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success very much like the babies appropriate at lunch today

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. Talk about how did what programs and services do

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we implement that are going to help with the transition

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that are going to help them be successful? The

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school also, what we're looking at is educating faculty

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and administrators staff on campus. How do you interact

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? And how do you work with veterans in your

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classroom? Not only recognizing that, maybe yes,

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they have certain, um, different needs from your

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traditional age students, but also contributions that veterans can

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bring. They have a life experiences, that they're

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very mature thoughts, um, students. And they

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really can contribute to your classroom. So, uh

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, anyway, I have been on this is my

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second year on on the planning Committee, and my

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personal interest in this, and I guess, is

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that I'm looking at the real practical application of veteran

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studies taking the research and theory and being in say

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so how do we take that and translate that into

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our practices That kept in the university in the university

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, said we have actually made some good progress.

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We have a long way to go, but we

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do have special transition program for, um for our

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veterans. I'm forgetting everything else. So, uh

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, okay, but that is, um that's where

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I see the need. I worked closely with the

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student veterans of America. Right now, that's where

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my information comes from. I don't I don't want

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to say I know what they need. I want

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them to tell me what So all the programs we

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are putting together really comes from the student veterans and

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the student, veteran organization, Eric. Some of

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the others. Thanks. Yes, this man is

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this song. You guys hear me. Okay.

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So I'm gonna bring it back up into the clouds

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a little bit. Yeah, it's like the school

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of Athens up here, but anyway, so my

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training is as a besides being a Marine. My

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academic training is as a moral and political philosopher.

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And one of the questions that always I I usually

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get started with is the Why question? You know

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what? Why have a veteran studies program and in

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another way, to look at that which I've had

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several people ask me throughout this conference is I can't

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believe there hasn't been one of these already. So

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I guess the question is, why hasn't there been

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a veteran studies program? And I think the answer

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to that question has something to do with the growing

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separation between citizens and soldiers in our society. You

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know, uh, 50 years ago, 50 60

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years ago, there really wasn't a need for sort

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of a separation of a veteran studies because the veterans

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themselves were embedded into communities and we're, you know

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all volunteer military force, and this boundary has continued

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to increase between, you know, the people who

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have served in the military and people who have not

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current generation of veterans. You know, the high

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suicide rates PTSD, uh, you know, unemployment

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presentations throughout this conference are the costs of war,

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how great the cost of war are. I mean

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combat know it firsthand, but not only to the

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soldiers themselves but to their families and to their Children

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this morning, one of the questions that came to

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mind for me because how does growing up as a

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military brat affect them as parents, you know,

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the military, Brad's parents themselves, and does that

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carry on into the next generation? So it's kind

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on here. So the cost to being at war

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are tremendous. And right now they're being born by

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a real problem in a lot of ways. I'm

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which I didn't expect to be returning to Paris Island

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for my dissertation. But it's just kind of the

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way it turned out. And I was interested in

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looking at whether military training, in this case,

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Marine Corps basic training develops certain values and skills that

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contribute to community involvement. And the reason that that

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was important to me was I believed, in a

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democratic society, the lifeblood of a democracy, a

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civic engagement, you know, and and there have

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been studies that have come out recently. I think

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the Pew Pew just published a study on the millennial

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generation. There was an op ed written in the

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about how this current generation is so separated from communities

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, political engagement, religious affiliation, you know,

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it's it's becoming more and more fragmented. So I

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think we're becoming less and less civically engaged. And

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way of life if these trends continue. So my

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question was our military veterans more civically engaged than others

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to answer in dissertation. Um, so I wanted

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to know, rather, is the military teaching skills

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and values that could be considered to lead to civic

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engagement? And, you know, I found out

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that, in fact, that they were depending upon

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the framework that I looked at and in the small

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case of Marine Corps basic training. Um, so

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you know, for me, the question of veterans

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. While it is a small segment of the population

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the question. It's a microcosm of the problems that

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we're facing as a society. And I think if

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we can answer perhaps some of these questions that are

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playing veterans and whether veterans can help, you know

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, be more engaged in their communities and serve as

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a model, and that there are lessons that we

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can learn from what the military is doing to help

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us become more engaged, I think that could help

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us as a democracy. So that's sort of where

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I'm coming from. Yeah, here, Yes.

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But please threw it away because in the course of

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our conversations, both formal and the informal ones,

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plenty of people have said it better than I could

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again. I'm here partially as a last professor of

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political and moral philosophy, currently the public affairs and

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History librarian and also, in fact, a librarian

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for ROTC. So Colonel Montgomery should have been getting

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my emails. That's okay up. There are so

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many things that have come up in the course of

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this conference, in the things we've been thinking about

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in planning this one. And as we as we

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reflect that last year's initial conference back on campus attack

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, there are a couple of trends along the line

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, and they really depend upon not just us up

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here or just tech, but upon all of you

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and your colleagues, including folks for whom a spring

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conference is difficult and a Monday meeting especially difficult.

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Uh, and that is points that we raised in

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the call for papers back in the fall. Looking

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at what would veteran studies as an inclusive field B

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one that is sensitive to historical change and continuity,

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one that looks beyond the boundaries of the United States

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? Other countries have veterans now from the same war

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. Other countries have had better since before this country

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existed. Maybe we can learn from them. And

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I would hope that we would take that broader view

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both from the standpoint of what would inform scholarship and

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meet the kind of criteria that would allow Eric and

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other rising scholars who are taking veterans seriously Well,

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I will get jobs and get publications and advance the

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field. It is a kind of student success there

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. When a rising scholar can say this is something

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I want to know more about, and I think

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it's important that the rest of find out we've talked

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previously or through this session about the necessity. And

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we tried to demonstrate in putting this program together that

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multiple disciplines, multiple methodologies can contribute to the understanding

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. And we've asked you here and thank you for

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paying for the privilege to engage in those broader conversations

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so that we can avoid some of the pitfalls of

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stories that we can get a more nuanced view.

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Some of you have heard us batting around slogans like

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all sides, all eras, all modes of service

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which might include addressing the unfortunate aspects the people who

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served. You got bad paper being an obvious example

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you talked about outside of some of these sessions and

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now along those lines were going to give you the

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library pitch, part of what my job is to

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develop the collection of tech library in the fields that

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I support. There are a couple of things going

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on related to that you are actually participating. If

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you presented at this conference, you will be getting

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a letter from Jim and or be and were hiding

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, asking you to contribute to the proceedings which would

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be online and open access. And some people get

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scared by the idea of open access scholarship, particularly

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humanities, because you're worried someone is going to steal

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your ideas. Mhm Well, by putting it on

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our institutional repository, you will get a date step

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permanent u R l and university certification that you said

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it here first, and we hope that you will

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contribute the papers. We'll send you instructions and what

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they should look like. And you get to fill

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out a release just as all of us up here

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got to fill out a release because this panel and

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the one we just finished his video and is going

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to be on the university libraries, institutional repository or

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B tech works. And that should go up within

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a couple of weeks so that we can contribute these

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conversations. It's not going to be so interesting for

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us who look at them and say, Darn,

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I meant to say something else, but at least

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you can hear the more developed versions of what we

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say elaborate upon the ideas, just as you would

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with the traditional papers to make that conversation possible.

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Of course, those of you presented we need your

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contributions. Last year's proceedings covered at the conference we

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would like a higher input rate this year. There

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one pair of points that I'll end here before we

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open up further conversation. One of my interests and

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it's been expressed in some of these views is thinking

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about veterans as the independent various. So much of

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the conversation has treated veterans as the objects of society

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for the people who have been manipulated by some aspects

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of their environment, whether it's military training, environment

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or combat, or any number of things as well

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. Well, I think. And some of the

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presentations have addressed this already. We think we need

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if we're going to take veteran studies seriously as a

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field, not simply to look at the veterans as

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objects, but as agents. That's the idea of

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veterans, the independent terror. What are the contributions

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, including the bad stuff? So that we can

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understand that? And I'm hoping as a consequence of

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conversations that we've tried to cultivate in two years of

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doing this conference to start laying out what would an

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agenda for veteran studies as an academic, particularly on

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the research side, you see how complicated it is

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and probably no one institution in blame. The monopoly

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on finding, but collectively we might be able to

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make a cut. Follow the Roman of Declaration of

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Principles. Those studied public administration may have heard about

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Blacksburg Manifesto. Obviously not. It's one of those

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arcane items in the library. It's actually important work

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created by one department I've worked with some decades ago

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to try and give a normally for us to what

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public relations could be. It's not the only way

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to approach public administration just as the way we try

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to articulate what better in studies, but as a

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Touchstone for point of departure. It's something we might

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want try to work towards. As we continue our

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conversations, I think the floor is open to all

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of you, and there are two mix I believe

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they're turned on. So if you have a question

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, it might help. If you would get up

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and walk to the mic rather than someone like old

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me trying to run up and down the piles,

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giving you the mic and and and ask the questions

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are sharing your thoughts because this is really about building

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. As Bruce was saying, we're building something that

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would be both collaborative and interdisciplinary and and and and

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really international, ultimately. I mean, we had

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two papers read today from our colleagues in Nigeria.

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officers interested in this work is pretty heartening in my

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mind. So Well, what we have is,

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um I think the results of this this conference which

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I in the last year's conference, which I think

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are fairly substantial beginnings for making a case that no

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, the university might understand. We have a grant

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this summer to write a grant, which is pretty

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cool.$10,000 to write a grant that would from

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the any any h that would build, um,

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a symposium and more than likely try to put together

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a published collection, a book around this topic.

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So those of you who are scholars, uh,

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you know, you might get interested in what we

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end up with and and come together. We have

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, um, for example, is what unfortunately,

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Jim just had to pick up and leave to catch

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the shuttle. But, I mean, I know

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we have Eastern Kentucky and and, uh, Missouri

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ST Louis, who have begun programs that we can

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both share, learn from and use as Touchstones and

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we have the interests of the community. Um,

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who are here? Community members who are here who

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are not academics. And I think that is going

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to make a big statement. And we have the

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fact, and I and I This was sort of

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the point that I made at all, um,

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the number of the PR pieces which we had a

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Virginia Texas principles of community allied veterans as a as

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a the constituent element of of what it calls diversity

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. And, uh, we are the least under

439
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, you know, at least served and most underrepresented

440
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.579 A:middle L:90%
element of diversity on the campus. And we are

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the only one really, without some kind of academic

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focus behind it and at a military friendly school like

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Virginia Tech. Um, I can tell you that

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my colleagues, the former criminals who are in charge

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of all the veterans associations around here, they are

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appalled and and they want to put every resource they

447
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have to help do something about that. I mean

448
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, they think they can again, they can't understand

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. To paraphrase Eric, why why hasn't this been

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done? And and they seem to think that Virginia

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Tech is a great place to do it, At

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least in our state. You know, I'm not

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gonna We already have some begins other places, but

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I don't know if that's enough, but that's where

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we are. Yeah, that's that's where we are

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. I know we've discussed several other things as well

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. For instance, you know, starting an association

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veteran studies association, starting a journal, things like

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that. So we're hoping that with some of the

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, you know, the funds that we have this

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summer, we can start to really put together some

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more substantial elements as far as developing it as an

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academic field. No. Yeah. Oh, yeah

464
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. Around innovation, community mourning and nationalism, Right

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. Research. So just think about raising my letters

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. That because I think all over could come from

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them interdisciplinary. Those are all demonstrated in my in

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my practice is to never have, Sir. Sir

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, is this program going through the risk like,

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Well, we're going to studying was probably initiated 40

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years ago because the Virginia Tech magazines there's articles about

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, uh, we have no home with Ernest returning

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because I don't know who my copy that help with

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Uh huh. It also conflicted whenever the students took

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over the campus to protest the war. And I

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find this really unique is most everything has come full

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circle and even we talk about our labors. Uh

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, speaking of Secretary General, uh, he was

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very outspoken against the Lord to testify. Fathers?

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Uh, cable doesn't broken up a reputation. I

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mean, areas in here now and service. So

482
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I'm only going to China. Put this program together

483
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whenever you say you're disciplined. Like, uh,

484
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whenever I was going to college getting justice, uh

485
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, we got the worst free program. Got courses

486
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that psychology lots to have sociology and political science and

487
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said this is what you need to go out and

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work also in addressing this, I really see this

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invisible coming out the word as they've ever on your

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military that I would want to Uh huh. Seeking

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fine rather than hunting star thing. Your presence here

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, I should let know that you were a part

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of sure. A way to put it hazed all

494
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over again. Uh, but there's so many potential

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00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:41.839 A:middle L:90%
starting there are so many. Yeah. Uh huh

496
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. Heard a number of observations of the question world

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civilians one. Get again. So what movie get

498
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and that those are empirical question. Yes, sir

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, it might be. And I don't plan.

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We have consensus up here will be having Yes,

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it is Already. It might be that the research

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agenda comes first in trying to articulate what are the

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important questions that particular undergraduate should know And his self

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isn't undergraduates who are veterans, who we are healthy

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00:32:27.220 --> 00:32:32.950 A:middle L:90%
. We're trying to help or sessions supporting Is it

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00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:42.130 A:middle L:90%
again the civilian undergraduates who are sometimes clueless and not

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necessarily motivated aside for yes and credits to take the

508
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course? I don't know what those and this is

509
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again. Where our conversations about what? The priorities

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on the results side on the educational side I need

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or who Veteran study Uh huh. 11 small addition

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that I don't have. First, I'm gonna I'm

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gonna very much want to gather some of the information

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00:33:16.529 --> 00:33:20.319 A:middle L:90%
that you have raised and learn more about it.

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00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.420 A:middle L:90%
To think about the historical connections to Virginia Tech and

516
00:33:23.460 --> 00:33:25.549 A:middle L:90%
that we might be able to draw upon to see

517
00:33:27.140 --> 00:33:30.670 A:middle L:90%
how we might make use of that. And I

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think about, uh, the places where I've been

519
00:33:35.390 --> 00:33:36.630 A:middle L:90%
and, you know, I started. I started

520
00:33:36.630 --> 00:33:37.890 A:middle L:90%
educational at 1st and 73 then I went to Berkeley

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00:33:37.890 --> 00:33:40.730 A:middle L:90%
. And then I went to Miami and I in

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each place the sort of tenor of the university changed

523
00:33:44.849 --> 00:33:47.720 A:middle L:90%
. And and but at each place I grew as

524
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:51.250 A:middle L:90%
a student at a person and a citizen because I

525
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was subjected to inquiry, that it made me uncomfortable

526
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in areas in which I was not familiar. And

527
00:33:59.849 --> 00:34:01.970 A:middle L:90%
I think that that's been one of the beauties of

528
00:34:01.970 --> 00:34:07.359 A:middle L:90%
the university system in all areas of civil rights,

529
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.789 A:middle L:90%
whether you're talking about race or gender or sexual preference

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00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:15.309 A:middle L:90%
, Um, courses of study or even single courses

531
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:21.000 A:middle L:90%
in a department have helped educate and whether enlighten or

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00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.260 A:middle L:90%
change, or at least at least educate and expose

533
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:28.460 A:middle L:90%
young people to ideas that it might even be anathema

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00:34:28.460 --> 00:34:30.699 A:middle L:90%
to them or their parents but certainly would cause them

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00:34:30.710 --> 00:34:32.969 A:middle L:90%
. We hope to at least pause and reflect.

536
00:34:35.139 --> 00:34:38.019 A:middle L:90%
So I would say at a minimum, and that

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00:34:38.019 --> 00:34:40.500 A:middle L:90%
goes to everything to include the panel that we had

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00:34:40.500 --> 00:34:44.250 A:middle L:90%
up here before, so that any student who walks

539
00:34:44.260 --> 00:34:46.429 A:middle L:90%
out of a course like that would at least understand

540
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:52.139 A:middle L:90%
. If I say support the troops, I'm taking

541
00:34:52.139 --> 00:34:53.420 A:middle L:90%
into account a number of perspectives that might be out

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00:34:53.420 --> 00:34:57.730 A:middle L:90%
there on that. That particular phrase and perspectives that

543
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might have embedded in them ideologies or agendas. And

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I think that that maybe at least enough of a

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certain place, of course I'd love to hear from

546
00:35:06.110 --> 00:35:07.199 A:middle L:90%
Our colleagues have already have courses on this. I

547
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.469 A:middle L:90%
mean, this is where we need we need help

548
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:14.059 A:middle L:90%
. Uh, that's something I think is really important

549
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:19.130 A:middle L:90%
. I am. I am responding first to your

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00:35:19.130 --> 00:35:22.289 A:middle L:90%
question for whom would would veteran studies be if it

551
00:35:22.289 --> 00:35:25.250 A:middle L:90%
was the studies program at our universities, for all

552
00:35:25.250 --> 00:35:28.510 A:middle L:90%
of us, Which is pretty much what you did

553
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:30.059 A:middle L:90%
with this conference, right? You, uh,

554
00:35:30.070 --> 00:35:34.989 A:middle L:90%
did not put a fence around the community. And

555
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.949 A:middle L:90%
I think that what Jim just said really, really

556
00:35:37.949 --> 00:35:40.860 A:middle L:90%
plays that out. All of these courses for things

557
00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:43.340 A:middle L:90%
you took advantage of or you didn't, But they

558
00:35:43.340 --> 00:35:46.320 A:middle L:90%
were on your campus. So if if you we

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00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:50.090 A:middle L:90%
are serious about having veteran studies, it needs to

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00:35:50.090 --> 00:35:52.710 A:middle L:90%
be something that serves a complex. A diverse and

561
00:35:52.710 --> 00:35:57.440 A:middle L:90%
an academic community in the academic community is not only

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in the classroom, so that would be my response

563
00:36:00.230 --> 00:36:04.130 A:middle L:90%
. I'd like to jump to a question that's a

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bit more Taipei, and that's I would assume that

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everyone here and up there and people who were at

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the last year's conference will figure out what the curriculum

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00:36:13.929 --> 00:36:15.010 A:middle L:90%
is going to look like. I also know the

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00:36:15.010 --> 00:36:20.889 A:middle L:90%
curricula change with alarming regularity and that we all have

569
00:36:20.889 --> 00:36:22.929 A:middle L:90%
to sit on those committees and change it. So

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00:36:22.929 --> 00:36:24.320 A:middle L:90%
it's not like you're carving it in stone, right

571
00:36:24.329 --> 00:36:27.199 A:middle L:90%
? You know, So you can make, um

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00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.059 A:middle L:90%
, it's not even mistake. You grow. My

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00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:30.489 A:middle L:90%
question is, how are you going to pay for

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00:36:30.489 --> 00:36:34.920 A:middle L:90%
it? And, um and I think that that's

575
00:36:35.630 --> 00:36:38.380 A:middle L:90%
question that can't be asked to early. Is there

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00:36:38.380 --> 00:36:45.630 A:middle L:90%
a new way to build apartment? Or I don't

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00:36:45.630 --> 00:36:47.809 A:middle L:90%
know if you're thinking major or if you're thinking certificate

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00:36:47.820 --> 00:36:51.789 A:middle L:90%
or if you're thinking minor or if you're thinking department

579
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:52.739 A:middle L:90%
, you know, those are all all options,

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00:36:54.530 --> 00:36:58.269 A:middle L:90%
and this is these are hard economic times. I

581
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:00.349 A:middle L:90%
think they've always been hard economic times for academia.

582
00:37:00.929 --> 00:37:06.980 A:middle L:90%
But do you think that there's a possibility that that

583
00:37:06.989 --> 00:37:15.460 A:middle L:90%
the interdisciplinary initiative wow could be co funded with maybe

584
00:37:15.460 --> 00:37:16.849 A:middle L:90%
not veterans societies, but with our own military?

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00:37:17.329 --> 00:37:22.159 A:middle L:90%
Um, with the Pentagon, I know that many

586
00:37:22.170 --> 00:37:25.630 A:middle L:90%
of our science projects on our public universities have a

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00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:30.349 A:middle L:90%
deep, deep funding that that has made science possible

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00:37:30.730 --> 00:37:32.829 A:middle L:90%
, sometimes at times in our country, when it

589
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:36.949 A:middle L:90%
wouldn't be possible. Otherwise, what about this?

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00:37:37.110 --> 00:37:38.679 A:middle L:90%
Is there a way for you to build bridges or

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00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:42.969 A:middle L:90%
walk across bridges you may already have access to to

592
00:37:42.969 --> 00:37:49.900 A:middle L:90%
get funding outside of our university in our legislature and

593
00:37:49.900 --> 00:37:52.380 A:middle L:90%
our board of whoever they are friends? Visitors?

594
00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:53.929 A:middle L:90%
I'm not sure we've got one of our colleagues in

595
00:37:53.929 --> 00:37:55.789 A:middle L:90%
the back has would love to respond, and I

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00:37:55.789 --> 00:38:00.969 A:middle L:90%
think that's you heard or not. But we've been

597
00:38:00.980 --> 00:38:04.349 A:middle L:90%
developing this conference this year like Jim said through a

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00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.559 A:middle L:90%
research center at Virginia Tech that is focused on various

599
00:38:07.570 --> 00:38:12.440 A:middle L:90%
elements of diversity and is charged with looking for external

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00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.329 A:middle L:90%
funding to pursue our research projects. So we've had

601
00:38:15.329 --> 00:38:17.710 A:middle L:90%
a great time working together this committee and putting this

602
00:38:17.710 --> 00:38:22.889 A:middle L:90%
conference together. And so I think that that is

603
00:38:22.889 --> 00:38:27.309 A:middle L:90%
a good kind of see better place to continue doing

604
00:38:27.309 --> 00:38:30.309 A:middle L:90%
just what you said Jane to look for external funding

605
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:31.699 A:middle L:90%
. Um, and you know, maybe eventually,

606
00:38:31.710 --> 00:38:37.420 A:middle L:90%
the veteran studies program would not be always located in

607
00:38:37.420 --> 00:38:38.440 A:middle L:90%
that research center, but it could be a place

608
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:43.139 A:middle L:90%
to incubate it and to find those funds to either

609
00:38:43.150 --> 00:38:46.239 A:middle L:90%
become a major part of the center or even the

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00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:50.750 A:middle L:90%
whole center. But then eventually, perhaps something different

611
00:38:50.750 --> 00:38:52.309 A:middle L:90%
. But anyway, I think it's a good place

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00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.019 A:middle L:90%
to do that work of looking for external funding,

613
00:38:55.019 --> 00:39:00.909 A:middle L:90%
which I agree it's really important. Actually, I

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00:39:00.909 --> 00:39:05.099 A:middle L:90%
think that veterans studies is a great opportunity for higher

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00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:09.610 A:middle L:90%
education and for the arts and humanities, especially because

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, you know, right now, with the funding

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being under fire for the auction, humanity, especially

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the question that often is asked, Is this relevant

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to society? And how is this relevant to society

620
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? Well, here's a pressing public problem. Veterans

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in society you know, we're killing themselves at a

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rate of 25 per day who make up 30% of

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the homeless population. Things like that. And I

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think we we've seen throughout this conference there ways that

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the arts and Humanities scholarship can help answer some of

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these questions. Um, so, yeah, I

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mean, I think this is a great way for

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us to demonstrate how we can be relevant to society

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. And I would hope that by doing that there

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would be some funding available for us to do that

631
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. I guess another way to try to tie together

632
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a couple of questions is this question of interdisciplinary t

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, you know, and how can we ensure that

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we're doing good interdisciplinary scholarship rather than just doing a

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poor job of three fields or whatever? And once

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again, veteran studies is a topic that lends itself

637
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extremely well to interdisciplinary and inter disciplinary methodology. Because

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there are two characteristics of good, interdisciplinary work,

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at least two one is that it needs to be

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focused on a particular area or particular problem. In

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this case, you know, helping veterans reintegrate into

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society and things like that. So it's directed towards

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a particular purpose, and the second thing is that

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it needs to be grounded in the disciplines themselves.

645
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Interdisciplinary t. It depends upon disciplinary to inform it

646
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. Um, so the way you did, and

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perhaps even one of the ways that you pay for

648
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it is by leveraging the disciplinary strengths that already exist

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, you know, and encouraging people who already have

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these disciplinary expertise is in particular areas. To perhaps

651
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, look, you know how their disciplines can inform

652
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this particular discourse on veterans So you know, there

653
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are a lot of stuff that can be done internally

654
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.219 A:middle L:90%
. I would say to just sort of redirect the

655
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focus of the disciplines towards this particular issue. Here

656
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may also be a question of where Hello? Scary

657
00:41:14.909 --> 00:41:16.550 A:middle L:90%
. Uh, well, it would seem to me

658
00:41:16.550 --> 00:41:22.510 A:middle L:90%
that a key area for the question What? What

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00:41:22.510 --> 00:41:24.809 A:middle L:90%
should we know about veterans and the Relations Society?

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00:41:24.820 --> 00:41:29.679 A:middle L:90%
It would seem to be appropriate that created some respect

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00:41:29.690 --> 00:41:31.900 A:middle L:90%
in military training. I don't know if there is

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a rule in the official RTC for service academy,

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correct, so that particularly rising officers, whether for

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themselves and their colleagues or for their enlisted personnel,

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00:41:47.409 --> 00:41:52.059 A:middle L:90%
can help make this transition. That might be four

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00:41:52.059 --> 00:41:57.179 A:middle L:90%
years ago. What here is like but where the

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00:41:57.179 --> 00:42:01.469 A:middle L:90%
opportunities to work with military? Yes, there might

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00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:07.780 A:middle L:90%
be a all right certain other settings and therefore the

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correct whatever the ideal model, first slice of correct

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00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:23.610 A:middle L:90%
. Yeah, yeah, first of my family.

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It's not good. I have to say, I

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really appreciate you said earlier response to a question for

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boom. Uh, I agree, um, release

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sort of thinking about that handle back here where there

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is a question at one time. Uh huh.

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Can you argue this? Truce it right. And

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without any interest in my back pocket, I don't

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have you, Eric. What? We shared less

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than 1% population. One of the argument that many

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00:43:04.090 --> 00:43:07.769 A:middle L:90%
people don't have connection. Those who are veterans have

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00:43:08.619 --> 00:43:15.739 A:middle L:90%
to serve accelerations and so that I think there probably

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00:43:15.739 --> 00:43:20.869 A:middle L:90%
are support troops, personal connection. They have what

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00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.800 A:middle L:90%
it is something that is eventually designed. We are

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00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:32.019 A:middle L:90%
standing for, uh, personal history with personal passions

685
00:43:32.019 --> 00:43:37.190 A:middle L:90%
. Why this? So the reason I put together

686
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:39.699 A:middle L:90%
the question I had to look for some folks in

687
00:43:39.699 --> 00:43:44.320 A:middle L:90%
the room who have programs to focus on better studies

688
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:49.010 A:middle L:90%
. Um, is this question of civilian and just

689
00:43:49.010 --> 00:43:52.530 A:middle L:90%
to help veterans program is really important. Because I

690
00:43:52.530 --> 00:43:57.090 A:middle L:90%
think you were saying earlier something I have this conference

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00:43:57.090 --> 00:44:00.760 A:middle L:90%
was, um what do you see as ways to

692
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:07.309 A:middle L:90%
engage civilities Syrian students in joining this program? Because

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00:44:07.590 --> 00:44:12.000 A:middle L:90%
I think the reason that this engagement, um,

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would be publishing shame for veterans were coming over truly

695
00:44:16.949 --> 00:44:22.449 A:middle L:90%
aren't students for days. And that's the issue.

696
00:44:22.460 --> 00:44:25.320 A:middle L:90%
You proceed well for everything, but it's a style

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00:44:27.090 --> 00:44:31.940 A:middle L:90%
. So this is a wonderful for inviting people into

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00:44:31.949 --> 00:44:38.110 A:middle L:90%
this course across, disciplines just recognizing should. And

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00:44:38.110 --> 00:44:43.159 A:middle L:90%
we're broadly sort of, uh, don't provide.

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00:44:44.590 --> 00:44:50.679 A:middle L:90%
Yeah. So that's how you'll engage civilians who might

701
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:54.630 A:middle L:90%
not Otherwise, uh, because language, military cultural

702
00:44:54.639 --> 00:45:05.159 A:middle L:90%
codes, those truly appropriate, right? Shot answering

703
00:45:05.179 --> 00:45:14.789 A:middle L:90%
, Yes. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah

704
00:45:17.789 --> 00:45:24.059 A:middle L:90%
. Yes, yeah, Yeah, Obviously the same

705
00:45:24.070 --> 00:45:30.309 A:middle L:90%
. Kind of I'd like to answer your as and

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00:45:30.309 --> 00:45:37.139 A:middle L:90%
a lot of Americans. And we continue for me

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00:45:37.150 --> 00:45:39.409 A:middle L:90%
. My this morning, I was finger as watching

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00:45:39.420 --> 00:45:45.639 A:middle L:90%
the panel discussion, um, on rhetoric. Then

709
00:45:45.650 --> 00:45:49.880 A:middle L:90%
what was fascinating about this morning's discussion was better.

710
00:45:50.590 --> 00:45:57.039 A:middle L:90%
Was that? Yeah. Yeah. Process of of

711
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.260 A:middle L:90%
the panel discussion. The first question was better in

712
00:46:00.260 --> 00:46:04.289 A:middle L:90%
terms of military. Tried to bridge the gap.

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00:46:04.980 --> 00:46:10.699 A:middle L:90%
Military is. And by involving what happened was there

714
00:46:10.699 --> 00:46:19.710 A:middle L:90%
is forever they might don't make your with art.

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00:46:22.780 --> 00:46:27.969 A:middle L:90%
Those three people have skills. Two of them were

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00:46:27.969 --> 00:46:35.900 A:middle L:90%
civilians. Their skills that bridge. And I am

717
00:46:36.260 --> 00:46:44.329 A:middle L:90%
here I am. And in 1990 19, 82,000

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00:46:45.179 --> 00:46:49.250 A:middle L:90%
, I was, uh, bagel shop and we

719
00:46:49.250 --> 00:46:53.719 A:middle L:90%
were over. And there are meeting. You look

720
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:58.409 A:middle L:90%
very better. Who wanted to start a program?

721
00:46:59.380 --> 00:47:05.340 A:middle L:90%
Military banners that included you. And? And we

722
00:47:05.340 --> 00:47:07.090 A:middle L:90%
started here. It was really great. And what

723
00:47:07.090 --> 00:47:14.400 A:middle L:90%
I learned for myself, whereas when definitions support through

724
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:20.840 A:middle L:90%
change, it was started out as support. The

725
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.909 A:middle L:90%
troops means support the, you know, the the

726
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:34.239 A:middle L:90%
the political discourse and now my definition of support help

727
00:47:34.250 --> 00:47:39.730 A:middle L:90%
have reason to break by Michigan. And so I'm

728
00:47:39.730 --> 00:47:46.610 A:middle L:90%
really excited that, actually is there. I think

729
00:47:46.619 --> 00:47:52.280 A:middle L:90%
my question is, how do we know? Yeah

730
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:57.480 A:middle L:90%
, yeah. Do you have a comment about that

731
00:47:57.480 --> 00:47:59.960 A:middle L:90%
as well? But I just wanted to ask for

732
00:47:59.960 --> 00:48:02.079 A:middle L:90%
you guys with all the veteran studies. Are you

733
00:48:02.090 --> 00:48:07.179 A:middle L:90%
really interested in developing curriculum from, like a military

734
00:48:07.190 --> 00:48:12.050 A:middle L:90%
child? Studies, as you know, separate in

735
00:48:12.050 --> 00:48:14.599 A:middle L:90%
this thing and not not just the divorce step,

736
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:16.579 A:middle L:90%
child, because I have seen a lot of things

737
00:48:16.579 --> 00:48:19.429 A:middle L:90%
in the past where they lump us in with,

738
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.440 A:middle L:90%
You know, it's like the family, and what

739
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.070 A:middle L:90%
really happens is they end up still talking about this

740
00:48:24.070 --> 00:48:30.960 A:middle L:90%
over the spouses and the kids never really get seriously

741
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:35.000 A:middle L:90%
, so I would love to be a part of

742
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.780 A:middle L:90%
something like that. You guys are really open to

743
00:48:37.789 --> 00:48:44.340 A:middle L:90%
control Group said Wait, a literature review for us

744
00:48:44.349 --> 00:48:47.380 A:middle L:90%
. You know these because it's letting us know what

745
00:48:47.389 --> 00:48:52.250 A:middle L:90%
the important issues are within the field of study and

746
00:48:52.250 --> 00:48:53.579 A:middle L:90%
, you know, you have identified this may be

747
00:48:53.579 --> 00:48:55.750 A:middle L:90%
a lot. Have you considered it should have been

748
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.429 A:middle L:90%
doing this work identifies this very important area of research

749
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:05.530 A:middle L:90%
to support veterans and their families. So So,

750
00:49:05.530 --> 00:49:07.030 A:middle L:90%
yeah, I think any of the things that have

751
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:09.039 A:middle L:90%
come up during this conference are certainly things you're definitely

752
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:15.860 A:middle L:90%
considering to include program. And you promised. I

753
00:49:15.860 --> 00:49:21.159 A:middle L:90%
think it's important for us to understand study a stamp

754
00:49:21.769 --> 00:49:24.260 A:middle L:90%
like when I'm trying to plan a program just recognizing

755
00:49:24.269 --> 00:49:30.050 A:middle L:90%
that veterans themselves are very diverse population. And I

756
00:49:30.050 --> 00:49:31.559 A:middle L:90%
think we have to be careful to say what advice

757
00:49:32.969 --> 00:49:37.059 A:middle L:90%
does not necessarily like to someone else because you have

758
00:49:37.340 --> 00:49:42.090 A:middle L:90%
retired. Retired. Um, you've got a career

759
00:49:42.469 --> 00:49:45.309 A:middle L:90%
as opposed to the young veterans. You make it

760
00:49:45.309 --> 00:49:46.949 A:middle L:90%
in there to four years and he comes back.

761
00:49:46.949 --> 00:49:50.960 A:middle L:90%
And so I think that, you know, we

762
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:53.070 A:middle L:90%
have to look at them very differently, inciting them

763
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:58.469 A:middle L:90%
differently and know how to serve all of it.

764
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:00.579 A:middle L:90%
But there are still transition issues, and when they

765
00:50:00.590 --> 00:50:07.989 A:middle L:90%
retire or coming from me, that's kind of yes

766
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:21.500 A:middle L:90%
, we'll take anything mhm need to look at our

767
00:50:21.500 --> 00:50:23.650 A:middle L:90%
community and change over time. There's a real temptation

768
00:50:23.650 --> 00:50:27.820 A:middle L:90%
to focus on because there is a need right now

769
00:50:27.829 --> 00:50:31.300 A:middle L:90%
to present user preferences lands. There's so much that

770
00:50:31.309 --> 00:50:37.670 A:middle L:90%
we where from cast and some veterans Has it worked

771
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:43.309 A:middle L:90%
? I just want to say something. I work

772
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.309 A:middle L:90%
out of the Veterans Employment Commission. One meeting and

773
00:50:46.309 --> 00:50:50.769 A:middle L:90%
one of the things that struck me was with employment

774
00:50:50.909 --> 00:50:53.369 A:middle L:90%
credit credits that companies could get for hiring vets.

775
00:50:53.380 --> 00:50:57.610 A:middle L:90%
But the vet, uh, employment officers still say

776
00:50:57.619 --> 00:51:00.570 A:middle L:90%
how difficult it is for him to place veterans work

777
00:51:00.579 --> 00:51:04.889 A:middle L:90%
environment because a lot of these companies just don't They

778
00:51:04.889 --> 00:51:07.239 A:middle L:90%
don't want they say they don't want that. They

779
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:08.730 A:middle L:90%
don't want to hire that. So that area giving

780
00:51:08.739 --> 00:51:12.780 A:middle L:90%
, you know, someone who is in that arena

781
00:51:12.780 --> 00:51:14.800 A:middle L:90%
might be helpful to come here as well. I

782
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:17.250 A:middle L:90%
haven't really heard of reform issues specifically in that realm

783
00:51:17.250 --> 00:51:19.989 A:middle L:90%
, but I just wanted to throw that out there

784
00:51:21.380 --> 00:51:23.429 A:middle L:90%
. This lady over here had a question. So

785
00:51:23.429 --> 00:51:25.949 A:middle L:90%
I hang up the lock. That was like,

786
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:30.610 A:middle L:90%
Yeah, I've been playing with this all day.

787
00:51:30.630 --> 00:51:36.909 A:middle L:90%
You asked especially anything, and I actually I have

788
00:51:36.909 --> 00:51:39.400 A:middle L:90%
a nice little argue, but I am American and

789
00:51:39.409 --> 00:51:45.280 A:middle L:90%
nervous, uh, trade and such, uh,

790
00:51:45.659 --> 00:51:50.909 A:middle L:90%
at the University of Virginia and I've been playing with

791
00:51:50.909 --> 00:51:52.619 A:middle L:90%
the name and I really I don't know how cemented

792
00:51:52.619 --> 00:51:54.730 A:middle L:90%
you are in the name of whatever you're going to

793
00:51:54.739 --> 00:51:58.989 A:middle L:90%
be or maybe lots of other people can be with

794
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:00.389 A:middle L:90%
you. But I really think it is something coming

795
00:52:00.389 --> 00:52:05.510 A:middle L:90%
language where is really critical and high nights here,

796
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.679 A:middle L:90%
kind of trick to scratches. But I really think

797
00:52:07.690 --> 00:52:13.739 A:middle L:90%
being more interdisciplinary, more inclusive would certainly draw in

798
00:52:13.750 --> 00:52:15.980 A:middle L:90%
other disciplines with great in Children. You know,

799
00:52:15.980 --> 00:52:17.769 A:middle L:90%
I've worked. I've mentioned a couple of the A

800
00:52:17.769 --> 00:52:21.429 A:middle L:90%
. I worked at second at the hospital and,

801
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:24.590 A:middle L:90%
uh, whenever Texas, right outside of many Children

802
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:30.869 A:middle L:90%
with military, uh, the documents you will receive

803
00:52:32.550 --> 00:52:44.409 A:middle L:90%
. So, you know, I mean military families

804
00:52:44.429 --> 00:52:47.960 A:middle L:90%
in society and in society, part of this critical

805
00:52:47.969 --> 00:52:51.869 A:middle L:90%
families and Children. I do think that the Children

806
00:52:51.869 --> 00:52:55.780 A:middle L:90%
are lumped into families and ignored or forgotten, which

807
00:52:55.780 --> 00:53:01.030 A:middle L:90%
is part of the role anyway, So I think

808
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:06.409 A:middle L:90%
you know You know what? Yeah, I think

809
00:53:06.409 --> 00:53:22.119 A:middle L:90%
I really think the name is very critical and is

810
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:23.920 A:middle L:90%
that you were able to get doctors in various fields

811
00:53:23.929 --> 00:53:30.710 A:middle L:90%
to be interested and bring their perspective to upgrade the

812
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:37.989 A:middle L:90%
issues that are focused on for about education psychology about

813
00:53:38.750 --> 00:53:42.269 A:middle L:90%
deep, uh, whatever. Sure. All those

814
00:53:42.269 --> 00:53:45.090 A:middle L:90%
things, obviously. And there are a lot of

815
00:53:45.099 --> 00:53:55.469 A:middle L:90%
people with expertise, no together and reading choose bogus

816
00:53:55.480 --> 00:54:00.960 A:middle L:90%
on the crisis. But it wasn't like that the

817
00:54:00.969 --> 00:54:06.449 A:middle L:90%
last moment, I think. I mean, so

818
00:54:06.449 --> 00:54:19.860 A:middle L:90%
I just got a job I social sciences department and

819
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:25.269 A:middle L:90%
yeah, but, um, one of the things

820
00:54:25.269 --> 00:54:30.400 A:middle L:90%
they asked the application was to design interdisciplinary course.

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Of course, based on my back, I designed

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the interdisciplinary veterans in society and things like that,

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and they were so impressed with the course, and

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it did so well with their programs. They asked

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me to teach the course. So there are opportunities

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out there to get instructions in these departments, I

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think, various topics. So, yeah. I

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mean, it may not be recreating it as much

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as it is sort of martial sex or refocusing.

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So and I went to the first point out that

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Mark and I also done some work together in library

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, then on issue of better sites, oddly enough

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, but I don't want to Yeah, one of

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these use of creditors are as this, uh,

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down the arm, university archives and Special Collections Department

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. When they came up sessions, but I It

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shouldn't simply be about what we expect might be doing

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00:55:38.570 --> 00:55:44.039 A:middle L:90%
for a hypothetical. We've been trading in terms of

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the undergraduate program. Uh, yeah, the fact

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that you folks are here, whether your university affiliations

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or association affiliations, hospital affiliations, uh, public

842
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services affiliations, this should be a collective enterprise.

843
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We're not always going to be a big question,

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as they have been in all the other studies.

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Fields of attention between Identity, World. What helps

846
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there is what serves veterans. How, however,

847
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that turns to find and the aviation more disinterested,

848
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critical view that will come from the civilian academic side

849
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. There will be lots of differences, and that's

850
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where you and I hope we can collectively explore some

851
00:56:37.630 --> 00:56:44.519 A:middle L:90%
of these possibilities maybe in terms of pedagogical strategies,

852
00:56:44.530 --> 00:56:47.539 A:middle L:90%
development, individual courses and development. But again,

853
00:56:47.550 --> 00:56:54.159 A:middle L:90%
there are so many research worthy questions out there.

854
00:56:54.530 --> 00:56:58.800 A:middle L:90%
Then, as a farmer said, there are so

855
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many differences among veterans as a population where we love

856
00:57:01.570 --> 00:57:07.449 A:middle L:90%
things together, that we simply don't know where the

857
00:57:07.460 --> 00:57:12.269 A:middle L:90%
distinctions live in terms of experiences, bringing in terms

858
00:57:12.269 --> 00:57:15.510 A:middle L:90%
of responses to experiences in different situations in the military

859
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:22.119 A:middle L:90%
or ending being part of the larger military community,

860
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whether it's family and journalists, civilian contractors, most

861
00:57:27.650 --> 00:57:31.000 A:middle L:90%
of whom are not mercenary in the traditional sense of

862
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:36.809 A:middle L:90%
the term. But we just don't know about before

863
00:57:36.809 --> 00:57:38.079 A:middle L:90%
we close. I know we had several people who

864
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.559 A:middle L:90%
have their hands up and carry guns. Was one

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00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:45.250 A:middle L:90%
of them, would you? Very school. Well

866
00:57:45.260 --> 00:57:47.280 A:middle L:90%
, I mean, I think just the whole discussion

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00:57:47.289 --> 00:57:51.809 A:middle L:90%
, you know, lends itself is not Virginia Tech

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00:57:51.809 --> 00:57:53.949 A:middle L:90%
the land grant mission. I mean, the engagement

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00:57:53.949 --> 00:57:58.750 A:middle L:90%
of community partners, the, um, connections to

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00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:02.639 A:middle L:90%
core democratic principles that air raids, Um, the

871
00:58:02.650 --> 00:58:07.590 A:middle L:90%
need to educate undergrad, um, society in general

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00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:12.130 A:middle L:90%
. I do appreciate Bruce is, uh, reference

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00:58:12.130 --> 00:58:16.320 A:middle L:90%
to the Blacksburg manifesto, and I would like to

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00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:20.489 A:middle L:90%
offer that if we need to frame where we should

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00:58:20.489 --> 00:58:23.030 A:middle L:90%
go with this area of study. Look at the

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00:58:23.030 --> 00:58:27.469 A:middle L:90%
advocacy coalition framework. I think all the issues that

877
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:31.079 A:middle L:90%
we talked about today are represented in that framework.

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00:58:31.090 --> 00:58:34.389 A:middle L:90%
And better yet, we have a window of opportunity

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00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:38.340 A:middle L:90%
. We have the veteran and military family population which

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00:58:38.820 --> 00:58:43.099 A:middle L:90%
politicians like to find, so I think the timing

881
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Trife, if you need someone to do the assessment

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00:58:45.730 --> 00:58:55.449 A:middle L:90%
and study, I'm available. Mhm. Follow somebody

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Mhm heart. Seven. Uh huh. This is

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, uh huh. And so there are like that

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. But my my help, the questions that were

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and yeah, just because. Yeah, but the

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design A program like that. I'm just thinking about

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the idea that there's a way to have some of

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00:59:44.250 --> 00:59:49.219 A:middle L:90%
the things that you're talking about. Any that engine's

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not responsible business. There will be a way.

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Um, you know, business will possibly that it's

892
00:59:58.469 --> 01:00:00.880 A:middle L:90%
not just always something measure. They got you to

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better the type of person. In addition, you

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can like horses. Okay. So I don't know

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his hell, yeah. How about half that's another

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01:00:22.230 --> 01:00:25.340 A:middle L:90%
extra things and eating them they don't even know about

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01:00:25.349 --> 01:00:30.639 A:middle L:90%
become asked this Mhm. I mean, as far

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01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:37.260 A:middle L:90%
as the language. Why are you got around any

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01:00:37.269 --> 01:00:43.639 A:middle L:90%
new courses? And this is It is okay,

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01:00:44.710 --> 01:00:52.389 A:middle L:90%
so yeah, right. We have maybe two more

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01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:54.610 A:middle L:90%
, and then we have to j. And it

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01:00:54.610 --> 01:01:00.050 A:middle L:90%
was very but they also have something pressing like you

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01:01:00.050 --> 01:01:02.920 A:middle L:90%
could try to get everybody because we want to.

904
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We have eight o'clock. There's there's a constraint.

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Trade eight o'clock. 20$100. So we got

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01:01:12.010 --> 01:01:14.119 A:middle L:90%
my name is very quick and then maybe Jane can

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01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:15.340 A:middle L:90%
finish. I was bouncing off. What? Gary

908
01:01:15.340 --> 01:01:17.500 A:middle L:90%
just said that. Sort of like writing across the

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01:01:17.500 --> 01:01:21.730 A:middle L:90%
curriculum. Veteran studies across the curriculum in a sort

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01:01:21.730 --> 01:01:23.650 A:middle L:90%
of smaller way. All around the curriculum, in

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01:01:23.650 --> 01:01:28.199 A:middle L:90%
addition to a more institutionalized set of courses are minor

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01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.530 A:middle L:90%
or major. That's sort of a neat idea.

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01:01:30.539 --> 01:01:35.550 A:middle L:90%
So just wanted to give it a name and is

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very responsible here talking about why he's with the incense

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01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:45.710 A:middle L:90%
himself. Yeah. Talk about the president's suicide.

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I am. And yes, but I see a

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01:01:51.590 --> 01:01:54.679 A:middle L:90%
need supreme focus on what I'm eating. I'm sure

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01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:59.940 A:middle L:90%
the president's side understand while we came. Okay.

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01:02:00.699 --> 01:02:04.719 A:middle L:90%
How's yours? What you saw? Well, when

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01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:07.340 A:middle L:90%
you talk about creating civic environment, leading very acidic

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01:02:07.340 --> 01:02:15.670 A:middle L:90%
environment, so many ways report. Yeah, Yeah

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01:02:16.369 --> 01:02:27.289 A:middle L:90%
. So huge. I love that total titles Get

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down. There are many Really? Yeah. The

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property was right. Yes. I always have a

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01:02:42.179 --> 01:02:52.650 A:middle L:90%
great girl. Yes, sir. I don't see

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this at a a major, because my you can

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only there. Okay, So I remember this shaded

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area. This is the place to support the red

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with research to eliminate the heart of Somali population,

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uh, to build social workers to go with whoa

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to connect and encourage other programs as wired up once

932
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the city is despised. His words talented informal point

933
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or like this, they study for you. Or

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that they have a ask clarifying. And then James

935
01:03:59.460 --> 01:04:01.550 A:middle L:90%
said, this specific environment, which goes with the

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land grant, called specifically the one that for our

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what you'll see that I actually can't see. This

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has agreed 100. I can see a smattering of

939
01:04:15.449 --> 01:04:17.750 A:middle L:90%
courses that are here there, that act of the

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Bible. We are Land Grant College and part of

941
01:04:21.500 --> 01:04:28.219 A:middle L:90%
coming into land. Grant College is is averaging over

942
01:04:28.590 --> 01:04:34.880 A:middle L:90%
camping here. The core reasons were our land right

943
01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:39.159 A:middle L:90%
column has a passive line by the world, but

944
01:04:39.170 --> 01:04:42.599 A:middle L:90%
other than writing studies, I can't give you an

945
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:47.179 A:middle L:90%
impression. Really, right, Irene. How,

946
01:04:47.190 --> 01:04:49.989 A:middle L:90%
Paul, Welcome and say that where I see it

947
01:04:49.989 --> 01:04:56.769 A:middle L:90%
quitting is as a mine that I can see people

948
01:04:56.780 --> 01:05:02.869 A:middle L:90%
who are heading interactions, uh, involved. One

949
01:05:02.869 --> 01:05:12.670 A:middle L:90%
of the background studies military part of it of particular

950
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:17.210 A:middle L:90%
kinds of businesses that we try to educate military families

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01:05:17.219 --> 01:05:21.340 A:middle L:90%
and members for years, whether it be used cars

952
01:05:21.349 --> 01:05:27.480 A:middle L:90%
outside the gates or the pose we're lending or you

953
01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:30.400 A:middle L:90%
know I go along. But in any case,

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01:05:30.789 --> 01:05:35.320 A:middle L:90%
we also had an agent society, and we I

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01:05:35.329 --> 01:05:38.199 A:middle L:90%
think there's a look around. There are a fair

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01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:43.420 A:middle L:90%
number of baby university. A fair number of baby

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01:05:43.420 --> 01:05:47.630 A:middle L:90%
boomers do have direct connections with the military, and

958
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:50.710 A:middle L:90%
some things have been talk fast. I alluded to

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01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:56.869 A:middle L:90%
the fact what we need as we age so I

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01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:00.519 A:middle L:90%
can see some way dermatology as well as the consumer

961
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and business. So minor way and also something that

962
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way. Right? And given I think that's that

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01:06:15.369 --> 01:06:19.369 A:middle L:90%
. A places to start and see how a series

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01:06:19.369 --> 01:06:24.829 A:middle L:90%
of four or five horses, uh, together a

965
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:28.409 A:middle L:90%
range of perspectives. I think there's a beginning,

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So yeah, it's probably where we would start.

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01:06:30.099 --> 01:06:35.460 A:middle L:90%
I think I can't say I'm speaking just my perspective

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. Developed for English and help design a program designed

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01:06:41.769 --> 01:06:45.179 A:middle L:90%
PhD. His focus was the American society, and

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01:06:45.190 --> 01:06:49.460 A:middle L:90%
, uh so I think that's, um, makes

971
01:06:49.460 --> 01:06:53.659 A:middle L:90%
sense, since we just have a recent, uh

972
01:06:53.670 --> 01:06:56.340 A:middle L:90%
, minor in civic engagement and our problems, we

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01:06:56.349 --> 01:06:58.429 A:middle L:90%
certainly could be one, but I think it shouldn't

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01:06:58.429 --> 01:07:01.070 A:middle L:90%
just be within our policies across colleges. So I

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01:07:01.070 --> 01:07:05.559 A:middle L:90%
think you're right. So this is it is and

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01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:11.530 A:middle L:90%
I am thrilled you ask my wife and I think

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how much by lots and how much I'm worried about

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01:07:15.610 --> 01:07:18.769 A:middle L:90%
all this. But I am overjoyed, uh,

979
01:07:18.780 --> 01:07:24.739 A:middle L:90%
at the reception and the turnout and the energy that

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you all drop to this room in the other rooms

981
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and interesting scholarship that you're doing. I've learned so

982
01:07:30.369 --> 01:07:34.179 A:middle L:90%
much today, my colleagues have as well and I

983
01:07:34.179 --> 01:07:39.820 A:middle L:90%
hope that we will continue this conversation in many different

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ways. We outlined several and we'll come up with

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more. And if you have other ways, we're

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easy to find. We have Facebook, We have

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01:07:48.820 --> 01:07:51.820 A:middle L:90%
a link to a page. We have ways that

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01:07:51.829 --> 01:08:00.929 A:middle L:90%
we can talk and we should use it. Yeah

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01:08:00.949 --> 01:08:02.829 A:middle L:90%
, because you've been You've been sitting down there,

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01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:13.230 A:middle L:90%
Your duty, I recording. I'm just thinking administratively

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01:08:13.230 --> 01:08:16.310 A:middle L:90%
down context. I know we're having a We're having

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01:08:16.779 --> 01:08:19.729 A:middle L:90%
meetings again. A couple more meetings the semester Discuss

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how this conference is gone. What we want to

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capture for this summer as we're doing the grant writing

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and then thinking for the future. So we'll be

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sending information about that. If you have any questions

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01:08:30.329 --> 01:08:31.899 A:middle L:90%
or you want to follow up with us, Yeah

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01:08:31.909 --> 01:08:33.500 A:middle L:90%
. Please do be in touch as we want to

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keep. The community is vibrant, so thank you

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.