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One of the co-hosts today with me is Cyndi 
Wyskiewicz and Inga Haugen so this is a zoom  

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session brought to you by the Horticulture program 
sub team for Virginia Cooperative Extension.  

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This was a issue that was identified in one of 
our needs assessments so better information on  

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copyright and image protection and those types 
of topics and very timely considering the world  

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of zoom these days. So welcome everybody 
if you want to ask a question feel free  

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it's a very kind of informal session 
because that's how Inga rolls  

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but to do that you're gonna need to 
unmute yourself and then Cyndi is going to  

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go ahead and start the session off. You 
may need to mute everybody again yeah okay  

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so we will let's see does that include me okay 
I'm still on all right so uh everybody feel  

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free to ask questions but unmute yourself and 
then to do it and then also to use the chat box  

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I'll be monitoring that Cyndi's going to be the 
facilitator for the main part of the session and  

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we'll just see how this goes and then we will be 
recording this and sending the link out with two  

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resource documents so don't be in a panic if 
you're not writing something down or catching  

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something as we're going over it we have all 
that information that we will send out with  

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the recording um afterwards so all right uh 
so miss Cyndi go ahead and take it away. Okay  

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good morning everybody I am Cyndi Wyskiewicz, 
horticulture agent with the city of Portsmouth  

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for Cooperative Extension. I'm going to 
introduce miss Inga she's been let's see if  

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I give you her official title agricultural life 
science and scholarly communications librarian  

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she's been with Virginia Tech for five 
and a half years starting in december of  

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she welcomes collaboration and dialogue about land 
grants extension data management and anything else  

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involving cows which is cool she ran her family's 
dairy farm before she got her library degree and  

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she is a 13th generation farmer so she's going 
to talk to us about how mickey mouse changed  

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copyright laws and how it applies to you so i'm 
just going to let her go ahead and take over.  

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Thank you so I've unmuted myself at this point 
in time can somebody allow me to share screens  

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please so I can work with that to be able to as 
a co-host you should be able to have access to  

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it's still saying that host disabled participant 
screen sharing okay Lori I'm telling you maybe I  

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came in on the wrong link and so didn't they 
recognize me as a host my apologies I should  

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just made you one so try it now hell yeah we've 
got all sorts of buttons to push now excellent  

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so I wrote in the chat but I 
will also verbalize I welcome  

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questions and comments in that space but please 
don't feel that uh it needs to be addressed to me  

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if you all want to chatter about different things 
that's great we are professionals and we have a  

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wealth of information here and so let's 
definitely try to to share and engage and  

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make this make this something that's useful for 
for you to that end I don't have slides I'm going  

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to go live in a second to be able to walk through 
different resources that I want to show you to be  

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able to talk through different things but I would 
much rather address questions and be useful to you  

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than get through anything predetermined so I do 
have you know different resources that I want to  

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show off and so I will at least briefly show them 
but you will have those links in many formats so  

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you will definitely get the links in the chat 
so you can follow along with me in that space  

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the links will be available in a word document at 
the end too to be able to walk through all of that  

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so let me know how i can serve you and that's 
beyond this presentation as well i'm your  

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librarian and i'm here to help so let's talk about 
my mickey mouse mickey mouse changed copyright  

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law that uh that eared wonder that goofy little 
little mouse so Walt Disney back in the day uh

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had created steamboat willie 
back in 1908 right and so in 1908  

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uh that that moved forward and copyright law was 
really in its like infancy back back in that day  

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in that kind of space so there wasn't a heck of a 
lot of very specific um aspects to what was going  

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on and that back back in that point in time to 
be able to have something be copyrighted you  

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needed to be able to um take the time and effort 
to actually create the copyright so you had to  

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not only just create something but then you had to 
go through the work of registering it and putting  

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it in the copyright uh law space and whatever 
else that way and then you only had 14 years  

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to be able to have something copyrighted 
so people didn't necessarily work with that  

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well with the advent of disney and mickey mouse 
and mickey being such a money maker aspect of  

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things um disney started getting involved 
with copyright law to be able to ask about  

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being able to change what's happening so they 
did a lot of lobbying in that kind of space  

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so there is a chart here that shows how things 
have changed um free copyright ebook oh wait goofy  

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little thing so i can show off what i want to show 
here i don't know how to move that um so here we  

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go here's the different places where copyright 
changed so it's a little bit confusing but every  

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single time mickey is is looking to be able to 
run out of copyright and into the public domain  

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all of a sudden there's a new act that's involved 
so copyright is a way to be able to allow somebody  

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corporations included so when i talk about 
somebody there's there's things that way to have  

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somebody be able to benefit from the work that 
they've done and so that's uh that's what disney  

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is doing here to be able to continue to benefit 
for things and so the copyright for mickey mouse  

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is projected to expire in 2023 so all of a 
sudden that's that's something that has been  

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within one space for the arc of over a hundred 
years isn't that wild not absolutely wild  

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so um the different times that things have 
been uh have been changed over the years um

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copyright has changed so not just the amount 
of time that has happened in that kind of space  

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it has been the way that copyright can happen 
and so now so so i've talked about just a brief  

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aspect of you know 1908 how things worked and then 
throughout throughout the time how how mickey has  

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changed things um because we have so much material 
to go over i'm not going to go into more specifics  

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but you are welcome to be able to come through 
and read here to be able to look how the uh  

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the this lays things out very very nicely 
to be able to to walk through things  

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that way but let's talk about what copyright is 
now and what uh what that actually looks like  

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so miss inga there's a question about the 
difference absolutely we're going to talk  

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about trademark and copyright mark just one second 
thank you for bringing no one appreciate time to  

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yeah that's exactly the kind of 
question that i want to make sure  

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that i can speak to what you're curious about so 
thank you so let's talk about what copyright is

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so here's uh this is a site um that the the 
library pulls together uh so these are research  

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guides and information that our librarians pull 
together philip young happens to be the person  

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who's created this one and uh we're trying 
to put information together in one space  

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for you to to uh have one place to go to 
which is kind of cool right so copyright  

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copyright is a form of protection and um it works 
with a fixed media a tangible form of expression  

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so initially the copyright aspect i said you had 
to put it into copyright these days as soon as  

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something is in a fixed form it is copyrighted uh 
so the example here we are recording this at this  

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point in time as soon as the recording has stopped 
then this recording will be copyrighted so that's  

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a way to be able to work with that so what works 
are protected examples of copyrightable works  

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give you a list here so we're definitely 
going to talk about the pictorial graphic  

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aspect of things today images to be able to make 
sure that you can work with images appropriately  

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that was the the impetus from having me come in to 
be able to talk with you so the way to be able to  

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work with these things um is pretty much just 
putting it into a space where somebody else  

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can reference it right so if it is a fixed aspect 
you can go back and reference that specific thing  

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now copyright is in an umbrella of things 
that work with intellectual property  

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and so some of the other terms that connect 
with intellectual property are patents and  

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trademarks so that's how that comes in so that was 
a really good question um so the types of things  

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that are copyrightable need to be able to be 
fixed but there are some types of fixed media and  

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information that can't be copyrighted so data sets 
can't be copyrighted facts can't be copyrighted  

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the birth of the the birth date of martin luther 
king jr or his assassination date are facts  

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those facts are not copyrightable regardless 
of whatever kind of media that they're in so  

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being able to put a data set and publish it you 
can't copyright the data but if you create an  

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image based on your data so you run a chart or 
a pie graph or an infographic you can copyright  

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that that image in that kind of way so the 
trademark aspect comes more into an image  

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aspect where the trademark is supposed to give you 
a specific link to um another another idea so uh

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just do it is a phrase that has been trademarked 
um the aspects of what may be trademarked  

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um are not something that i keep off the top of my 
head so i certainly uh will speak more to that if  

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you have further questions that way so copy your 
mark copyright and trademarks and patents um are  

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something like siblings and they work together 
but the types of material that they um  

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work with are specific to those types of of 
things and so it's this is definitely getting  

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into copyright law and i should state for the 
record i am not a lawyer i can help you speak  

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through these things to consider these things 
um this gets into law and that's something to  

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to be able to consider which is kind of wild 
right uh so patents definitely work with uh

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oh good grief drawings and images of things to be 
able that you are creating um and then trademarks  

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connect more to an image a slogan a 
phrase things of that nature um now  

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because i want to talk about what copyright 
is so we know how to be able to work with it  

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i would like to see in the chat anybody who wants 
to be able to say that they are a copyright holder  

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anybody anybody want to just be give me a yep 
or a hands up that they are a copyright holder

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yay people are saying yes i'm so glad i'm so so 
glad that you guys are saying so awesome because  

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everyone here everyone here holds copyright 
because as soon as you put things in a fixed media  

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there you have copyright you hold copyright 
which is excellent so this becomes a lot  

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more nuanced with the work that we do within 
cooperative extension with the work that we do  

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as we're connected to the university so let's look 
at this a little bit more specifically right now  

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so um copyright provides the owner of 
the copyright the right to authorize  

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others to exercise the rights that you 
yourself hold as the copyright owner  

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so this is a specific thing that i wanted 
to be able to bring forward because  

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as you are connected to the university as 
you are connected with cooperative extension  

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um you are subject to policy 13 000 which 
states that as a condition of your employment  

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university also shares copyright holding with 
you so you are not the sole author of the  

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items that you have created when you are doing 
them within your job duties now this is not to  

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penalize you this is not to be able to uh take any 
rights away from you but this is the idea like hey  

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we're working on public money we need to make this 
publicly available so one of the ways that this  

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applies shameless plug for the library is that we 
have a repository called vtech works to be able  

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to put the works that we're creating into this 
repository and so even if you're publishing in a  

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different place you have a right to be able to put 
a uh copy of your work into the tech works so even  

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if you're you're publishing and the publishers 
like hey we need first right of publishing  

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that's totally legit because of that policy 
thirteen thousand you have a right to be  

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able to put um a pre-pub or there's there's just 
different specifics of that and if we can help you  

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walk through that if you have any questions about 
that um into the tech works so that's something to  

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be able to work with um in a more detailed 
fashion at a later date if you are curious  

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uh the question that i see right now is should 
you leave employment so if you walk away if you  

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change jobs does that change your copyrights 
if the time was created during your employment  

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that's a very good question and so it's pretty 
much like as you are doing it the laws are going  

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to apply with the situation that you have at 
that point in time so i'm hired you know uh at  

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the library today i publish something tomorrow 
uh i'm hired today i publish something today  

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and then next week i go to a different job the 
university will continue to share rights holding  

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with me for what i have published because 
i was employed at that point in time

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there are ways to be able to change that if it's 
necessary but for the most part this is just  

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good science and good citizenship to engage with 
the world to be able to put our talents forward

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and do so in a way that makes 
it very accessible so let's

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uh take the next question are collaborative 
cloud-based media covered as fixed media  

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really good question that would depend if it is in  

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different spaces so um the example that i'll 
use is that the library is currently editing a  

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open letter to be able to make a statement um 
about the the recent protests and what's happening  

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um for black lives matter and whatever else that 
way so the document is available to all 331 of us  

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but it is not published and so it is not fixed 
as of yet because we have not published it  

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um the the letter is certainly there we've been 
arguing about it for a week at this point and  

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so it exists but it is behind a wall where unless 
you have been specifically invited into that space  

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it doesn't work so the definition of 
fixed media is really really squidgy  

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in the in the time of being able to publish 
things digitally so fixed media when you have  

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deliberately uh deliberately released it 
um and somebody else can reference it so  

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uh when you push tweet and the tweet goes out 
it's available publicly that is fixed uh when you

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um

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publish something in vtec works then it 
is fixed so there's that snapshot in time  

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um this gets really wild when you start looking at 
different types of things that uh are being added  

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to in that collaborative kind of way so um lab 
notebooks um that folk are working with can be  

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kind of crazy in that kind of way when you've got 
data in there and you've got uh people writing in  

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there and so it's analysis and so their analysis 
is a creative kind of endeavor and so that can be  

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copyrighted but the data isn't necessarily 
and there's multiple people in there um  

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so that's kind of crazy so do we need to obtain 
permission from a website if we want to link to  

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it for a class or delivering in canvas that is 
such an awesome question let's move forward to  

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be able to talk more about what's happening there 
so fair use fair use is super important uh so  

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fair use is the way oh there's a there's 
a specific item that i wanted to bring up  

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for fair use so let me make sure 
that i grab that please oh shucks

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i think i need to go to

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this to be able to find that 
nifty way of working with things

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uh

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no i'm not seeing it right now so instead of  

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digging and digging i'll come come 
back to the the nifty showcase

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fair use fair use is very very important  

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um maybe you don't want to know all this ignorance 
is not a good alibi you don't you don't get to go  

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get away with that you you must know this you 
must know this but i'm always here to be able  

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to help you navigate it there's other people in 
the library to help you navigate it um so fair use  

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is what it sounds like like the the fair 
way that you can use some aspects and so  

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the four types of things to be able to consider 
about fair use are like why are you using it  

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the amount of what you're using um the nature of 
the copyrighted work like what is its general um

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aspect uh in the world and the effect of your use  

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that it could have on what's happening to start 
with so if i take a picture of a very excellent

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presentation of what aphids 
have done to my tomato plants  

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it is a single picture and if 
you take that whole picture  

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and use it again in something else then the 
amount of what you're using from the original  

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that i hold you know that i have created that's 
100 right now if i have written an entire book on  

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tomatoes and that is one picture in the entire 
book then the amount is very very small and so we  

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talk about is it more or less fair use because we 
can't actually know what is fair use unless you go  

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through an analysis and there's uh there's ways to 
be able to like go through a fair use um analyzer  

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and then if you took it to court like that is 
the only way we can say that it's fair use nobody  

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wants to do that so let's talk about how this 
is going to um to play out in a general sense so  

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uh first off there was a word that you used link 
linking is inherently appropriate linking is your  

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absolute best way to be able to work with things 
because you're saying hey here is the original and  

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you're allowing people to go to the original to 
be able to work with it in that kind of space so  

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that is your your number one way of being able to 
make sure that you're working appropriately with  

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copyright um then another point that you said in 
there is that you're working in canvas so canvas  

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is a restricted educational space so again 
things are more fair when you are using it in  

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a restricted space so it's not open to the entire 
world so you double down there doing good go to  

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work in that kind of space and thirdly and not 
least at all it's an educational purpose it is  

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most likely to be considered fair use 
when you are putting together things  

00:23:54.160 --> 00:24:02.080
in an educational space particularly 
when you are working in a limited space  

00:24:02.080 --> 00:24:08.320
so only the registered or authorized students 
may have access to something and then when you're  

00:24:08.320 --> 00:24:13.600
linking to something you're good to go so those 
those are actually the top three recommendations  

00:24:13.600 --> 00:24:20.080
that i have now do i want you to be putting 
things in a protected space not necessarily  

00:24:20.080 --> 00:24:25.280
we work with the public and we should be working 
with the public part of the land-grant mission  

00:24:25.280 --> 00:24:30.480
and so i don't want to scare you into thinking 
that that is the most appropriate way to do things  

00:24:31.280 --> 00:24:37.760
uh but if you are working in a space where um 
only limited folk have access to it then it  

00:24:37.760 --> 00:24:42.800
just trends towards more fair use so i'll 
just check in make sure there's no other  

00:24:42.800 --> 00:24:48.720
questions in the chat right now i'm going 
to also take a minute to breathe and remind  

00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:52.640
myself to slow down i get excited like who knew 
that copyright's exciting but i do get excited  

00:24:53.280 --> 00:24:59.840
uh take a drink of water and give you all 
a chance to be able to ask any questions

00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:16.400
so is there a difference between using something 
in a public education class that will be shared  

00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:20.320
on a website and if we're using the same item 
for a volunteer training that will not be shared  

00:25:20.320 --> 00:25:29.680
publicly yes there is a difference in considering 
what would be fair use or not um the fair use  

00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:38.080
is a spectrum and so it would be considered 
more fair if you are using it for a volunteer  

00:25:38.080 --> 00:25:43.360
training that will not be shared publicly but 
i'm gonna step away from that fair use aspect  

00:25:43.360 --> 00:25:48.880
of things because there's even more tools that i 
want to be able to put in your toolbox that will  

00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:54.240
kind of make this less important i definitely 
wanted you to understand you know a copyright  

00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:58.640
exists and that you are a copyright holder and 
that we need to be able to work with this and  

00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:04.560
that fair use is one way to be able to work with 
it but there's more things going on here thank you  

00:26:04.560 --> 00:26:08.880
for the feedback to tell me that this is useful 
information i definitely want to be useful to  

00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:17.120
you i want to support you i want to make sure that 
it is fun as we go if i can make it fun at all so

00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:24.240
copyright as i'm talking about 
it refers to what's happening in  

00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:29.600
u.s law copyright in an overall aspect

00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:36.800
um is not worldwide and so things 
can be different in different spaces  

00:26:36.800 --> 00:26:39.440
but again as we're connected 
to virginia tech and virginia  

00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:45.040
is within the us then we're just going to be 
working with with us copyright law creative  

00:26:45.040 --> 00:26:53.040
commons licenses is a license to be able to put on 
top of copyright and creative commons licenses are  

00:26:53.040 --> 00:27:02.800
a worldwide effort to be able to make this much 
more accessible across the board so what is a

00:27:05.120 --> 00:27:08.320
creative commons like what is 
creative commons let's go look  

00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:19.840
let's go let's go take a quick 
gander at what creative commons is

00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:32.400
so creative commons gives you free tools machine 
readable and human readable that let authors  

00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:39.680
scientists artists educators creators mark their 
works with freedoms that they want to carry  

00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:44.800
with how they'd like you to be able to interface 
with it so you don't have to say all rights  

00:27:44.800 --> 00:27:51.280
reserved because copyright locks it all down you 
can say some rights reserved which is pretty cool  

00:27:51.280 --> 00:27:58.800
right so the whole idea in this kind 
of space is to be able to give people  

00:27:58.800 --> 00:28:03.120
common language where you don't have to go 
back and ask for permission because that's  

00:28:03.120 --> 00:28:10.000
an entirely appropriate thing to do but i don't 
have time and i don't care to make time to answer  

00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:13.600
people saying hey can i use this hey can 
i use this when i can just put a creative  

00:28:13.600 --> 00:28:17.520
commons license on it to be able to say like 
yeah i want everybody to be able to use this  

00:28:17.520 --> 00:28:24.000
as long as you're you know saying that i 
have made it so you're you're um oh you're  

00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:30.720
giving credit and i i don't want you to use it for 
a commercial purpose and so when we're teaching to  

00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:36.640
the public that's not commercial we're not looking 
to make money off of it right and so then things  

00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:42.000
are good to go and the reason that considering 
the human readable and machine readable part of it  

00:28:43.360 --> 00:28:52.560
makes um makes a difference when you go to be able 
to search for images that are already marked for  

00:28:52.560 --> 00:28:59.360
your use so i think there was a question so i'm 
gonna go check on that before moving forward so is  

00:28:59.360 --> 00:29:05.440
a zoom session protected if it isn't recorded or 
would references at the end still mean it would be  

00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:09.600
referenced if somebody remembered the whole link 
if somebody's remembering the whole link you're  

00:29:09.600 --> 00:29:17.760
no worries that is not a problem you didn't affix 
the presentation and try to publish it and share  

00:29:17.760 --> 00:29:26.640
it it's not a problem um and a zoom session would 
not be protected if it isn't recorded because  

00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:31.920
there would be nothing to be able to go back and 
reference to so i hope that answers that question

00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:41.760
wikimedia commons i am so excited that people 
are going to find creative commons images and so  

00:29:41.760 --> 00:29:48.480
how much liability do i have for using an image 
that was improperly uploaded we're all just trying  

00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:53.920
to do our best here and so this is one of those 
things where if you're using best practices and  

00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:59.360
you're doing your best please don't worry i don't 
want you to stress at all um can i tell you you  

00:29:59.360 --> 00:30:08.000
know specifically it is 2.3 liability nah i can't 
um but i'm i am not concerned at all if you use i  

00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:12.160
mean i want you to use all of the best practices 
that i'm telling you about but if you even use  

00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:18.640
half of the best practices that i'm telling you 
about um you're gonna be standing in good stead so  

00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:32.480
let's talk about the absolute bare bones of what 
um of what would be good to do so it is good to

00:30:34.560 --> 00:30:42.480
give credit it is good to um give

00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:55.840
give breadcrumbs and so if the whole thing comes 
back to the idea that we just want to be clear  

00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:04.240
about where things have come from and um who 
owns them and and gets the credit for things  

00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:09.440
uh we just need to show how that happens 
creative commons gives you a way to be able  

00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:21.440
to do that with shorthand and then also be able 
to search it so um the way that it is good to  

00:31:22.560 --> 00:31:31.360
give credit is through citations right and so one 
of the the comments that i see here is if you're  

00:31:31.360 --> 00:31:35.680
borrowing photos and using them in powerpoints 
for either internal or external dissemination  

00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:41.280
what is the most or the minimal way to acknowledge 
these of the appropriation i wouldn't say it's  

00:31:41.280 --> 00:31:46.160
appropriation but we're going to move forward 
uh you can list sources at the end of the  

00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:54.880
presentation or you may label each photo the best 
practice is to be able to label each photo and  

00:31:54.880 --> 00:32:01.120
image every time because what if somebody takes 
only that one thing from what you've put out there  

00:32:01.120 --> 00:32:05.760
and then brings it along and they don't have 
access to your end slide with the credits  

00:32:05.760 --> 00:32:12.160
so having because you have published it in a 
specific way and you had all of your slides  

00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:18.640
pulled together having a slide at the end with 
all of the attribution is absolutely correct  

00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:24.880
absolutely appropriate but it's really really 
great to be able to include it that way um in that  

00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:31.520
kind of space and so the next question can you use 
a youtube video in a powerpoint and play it in a  

00:32:31.520 --> 00:32:40.800
zoom as long as you reference it with a link yes 
absolutely um because again you are referencing it  

00:32:40.800 --> 00:32:47.840
and you're playing it using a link you're doing 
great absolutely so using public domain tools  

00:32:49.280 --> 00:32:58.880
um public domain is what we get into um 
when we're talking about works for hire  

00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:04.640
from governmental organizations and when people 
deliberately put something into the public domain  

00:33:05.280 --> 00:33:11.680
public domain is also what happens when something 
comes out of copyright so walt disney is trying  

00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:18.480
to make sure that the mouse doesn't go into public 
domain so you can splash it on a t-shirt and sell  

00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:25.440
the t-shirt so when something's in the public 
domain you can do that so alice in wonderland  

00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:34.160
is in the public domain and so you can use those 
specific phrases you can make a play you can um  

00:33:34.800 --> 00:33:43.040
take the uh the conceptualization of the 
cheshire cat to be able to put it on a coffee mug  

00:33:43.600 --> 00:33:46.960
those are that that's something in the 
public domain to be able to work with it  

00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.560
so there's a difference between 
creative commons and the public domain  

00:33:51.120 --> 00:33:57.440
i can put a creative commons license on 
something and it's still copyrighted to me  

00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:06.880
and then i can change the types of licensing on 
that when i still hold the copyright however when  

00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:13.440
you release something into the public domain 
you really can't get it back so those are some  

00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:19.040
different things that way for your purposes for 
being able to find images and training materials  

00:34:19.040 --> 00:34:27.440
anything that is um creative commons uh that 
says you can use it and we're gonna walk through  

00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:34.640
those in a minute um you can use anything in the 
public domain you can use so looking at the chat

00:34:37.120 --> 00:34:42.880
the attribution can be the specific 
web page or it can be to the basic url  

00:34:43.520 --> 00:34:51.040
so there's some back and forth about that because 
you can have link rot where specific things have  

00:34:51.040 --> 00:34:57.360
more information and so they're more likely 
to break and so linking back to the basic url  

00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:03.360
can be considered best practice um and so things 
are kind of split in the information community  

00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:09.280
about me being able to tell you what is considered 
absolute best practice for that um so both both  

00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:18.320
are appropriate uh very good question um i do have 
to say that in thinking about this i'm an analogy  

00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:22.720
person i use analogies all the time i was recently 
teaching somebody who doesn't use analogies and  

00:35:22.720 --> 00:35:27.920
it was so hard for me but when i'm thinking 
about the breadcrumbs aspect of things like  

00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:32.960
if somebody uses something that i'm like that is 
perfect i absolutely want to be able to use that  

00:35:33.680 --> 00:35:40.000
i want to give anybody else as many indicators 
as many breadcrumbs as i can to be able to go  

00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:46.560
back to give credit to the first person so i 
want to be able to show author have the link  

00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:54.960
um dates in time uh can be useful and so the 
things that go into creating a citation are to  

00:35:54.960 --> 00:36:01.280
be able to give you as many of those breadcrumbs 
as possible and then the citation styles  

00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:09.040
apa turabian chicago whatever are the way of 
presenting them so it's a shorthand to be able to  

00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:14.320
work with all of those pieces of information so 
you can use them more easily now because there's  

00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:18.480
so many citation styles it ends up being a 
very complex mismatch and i think it's less  

00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:24.640
easy um but in a general sense if we boil this 
all the way down your take-home message is  

00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:30.640
do the best you can create as 
many breadcrumbs as possible

00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:43.120
and yeah we're just going to stick with those do 
the best you can give attribution use breadcrumbs

00:36:45.600 --> 00:36:51.840
oh boy a whole bunch of people are talking okay 
that's awesome um i'm not going to read through  

00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:56.880
all of that right now lori i'm going to ask for 
help there can you please surface any specific  

00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:01.600
questions um i definitely want to get to 
uh what folk are talking about but i also  

00:37:01.600 --> 00:37:05.520
respect that y'all might be talking about some 
things that could be helpful to to move forward  

00:37:05.520 --> 00:37:10.560
in that kind of space so i want to show you 
some of the details about creative commons

00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:19.520
so you recognize them so six 
licenses for sharing your work  

00:37:21.040 --> 00:37:30.800
remember that you are an author and you can say 
what uh what's going to go on with stuff right  

00:37:32.080 --> 00:37:38.000
why can't i make this bigger oh i'm so sorry i'm 
riding the struggle bus a little bit right now  

00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:49.200
um can i zoom in at all exit full screen rotate 
save page grump not seeing that right now you want  

00:37:49.200 --> 00:37:57.920
to take a quick question about before we move off 
of the city pictures um uh evan asked about um uh  

00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:07.120
oh shoot uh uh the text box on a picture can you 
just say cc or do you need to use that number  

00:38:07.120 --> 00:38:16.480
and statement um every time let's let's talk about 
that excellent excellent question so right here on  

00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:23.440
my screen i can see in the step two that there's 
different pictures and in step one i also see some  

00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:31.120
different pictures and so um in the text box when 
you're attributing an image you are welcome to  

00:38:31.120 --> 00:38:38.080
use these images to be able to indicate things 
or you are welcome to just use the language so  

00:38:38.080 --> 00:38:43.280
this little person looking figure is attribution 
so that's to be able to say this is the person  

00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:50.080
that has done the work this is the person that has 
created things so it is by them so that is a ccby  

00:38:50.080 --> 00:39:00.160
by and so you could just have ccby and then the 
the name of the person um then these other uh

00:39:04.160 --> 00:39:11.520
signs and options can be mixed so you can 
have one of them you can have two of them  

00:39:11.520 --> 00:39:15.360
you can have all of them and you can put them 
together in any kind of way that you want  

00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:23.280
and so then when you see this you can 
recognize how that will roll and so when  

00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:28.880
you are putting something out you 
can choose how to be able to um  

00:39:29.680 --> 00:39:37.920
to indicate this and then to get really fancy 
in the metadata if you are releasing something  

00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:44.880
you can put these pieces of information in there 
so then search engines can find things that  

00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:51.200
are being put out in that kind of way so that's 
the machine readable aspect of things not only  

00:39:51.200 --> 00:39:55.840
the human readable aspect of things which is 
pretty cool i hope that answers that question

00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:05.040
all right um there's one other question 
about um uh actually it's a specific  

00:40:05.040 --> 00:40:10.400
example uh so a presentation was recorded 
and made available to attendees afterwards  

00:40:11.200 --> 00:40:19.920
but the program was a cooperative effort among 
several organizations one of the presentations  

00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:27.760
had an uncited image in it and um uh 
wasn't wasn't credited and so an attorney  

00:40:28.720 --> 00:40:36.800
brought the matter up and uh caused some issues 
how how much trouble would that cause um or what  

00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:42.640
might have been um the best way to deal with it 
because again multiple organizations we partner  

00:40:42.640 --> 00:40:50.480
on a lot of things and so uh what's the best uh 
way to handle that best way to handle it of course  

00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:54.480
is to make sure that you hadn't done in the first 
place which is not the case you can't always do  

00:40:54.480 --> 00:41:00.560
that mistakes happen um owning it and correcting 
it to move forward is is a very very good option  

00:41:01.120 --> 00:41:08.960
um you always have the right uh i shouldn't say 
the right you always have the option to be able  

00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:16.880
to say you know i'm sorry i made a mistake here's 
my corrective action um when you indicate that and  

00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:25.760
then um uh formalize it um take notes of 
it uh paper trail so when you're like yo  

00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:32.080
here's here's the complaint here is the issue 
here is my corrective remedy then if somebody  

00:41:32.080 --> 00:41:36.400
wanted to be able to escalate the situation 
then you'd be able to to put that forward  

00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:44.720
and as long as you're not trying to make money on 
something there is again the situations that that  

00:41:44.720 --> 00:41:52.320
i have heard most cooperative extension folk being 
in you're not looking to be able to make money on  

00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:56.880
this for yourself you're not for yourself like the 
organization is something different and so that at  

00:41:56.880 --> 00:42:01.440
that level like with the master gardener handbook 
and some some funds in that kind of space like  

00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:06.320
that's a different kind of conversation um and 
i definitely do have those kind of conversations  

00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:14.560
but when you're not making money for yourself 
and you aren't trying to uh steal work when you  

00:42:14.560 --> 00:42:18.480
did get attributions for other things it was 
one image that didn't have an attribution in  

00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:25.520
a shared presentation across the board um just 
go back and correct it and then move forward  

00:42:25.520 --> 00:42:32.880
uh so there's a following up on that question 
that's if you have control over your presentation  

00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:37.120
but a lot of people are putting together 
programs where other presenters are coming in  

00:42:37.680 --> 00:42:43.840
and so now the question has you have for yours 
but but how do you deal with other presenters  

00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:51.280
because they're not how do you do that what what 
are your protocols going to be are you willing to  

00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:56.960
be able to say you know hey best practices say 
that this is what's happening because you darn  

00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:03.840
sure do best practices when somebody wants to be 
able to grab the the vce um oh the word has just  

00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:09.200
escaped me it's not a trademarked aspect uh the 
logo lock up if somebody's using the logo lockup  

00:43:09.200 --> 00:43:14.640
inappropriately like we're gonna say that's 
that's not okay right because we know that it  

00:43:14.640 --> 00:43:20.320
isn't okay because we had to work in that kind of 
space so how do you work with that kind of thing  

00:43:21.200 --> 00:43:28.080
that's hard that's challenging so i am merely 
going to put it back to you to be able to say that  

00:43:28.080 --> 00:43:32.400
if you'd like to have further conversations about 
that and spitball ways to be able to work with it  

00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:37.840
i'm happy to do that i definitely encourage you 
to bring that up in in the spaces in which you're  

00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:42.560
working and that would be something that i would 
love to have that chat light up to be able to um  

00:43:42.560 --> 00:43:45.440
have you guys talk back and forth about 
what you're going to do about that  

00:43:46.080 --> 00:43:52.880
um yeah uh i will say that it's not easy i will 
say that it's not light i will say that i wish  

00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:57.760
you luck and i'm certainly here to support you so 
i'm not trying to be flippant about that at all  

00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:05.600
good questions so i am looking at the amount of 
time that i've got left i'd like to be able to  

00:44:05.600 --> 00:44:10.960
whip through the rest of what i want to be able 
to show you um to make sure that i get to it and  

00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:17.120
then i will come back to any questions that are in 
the chat and uh i will take longer and go back to  

00:44:17.120 --> 00:44:21.040
anything else that i've gone through very quickly 
that you'd like to ask more questions about  

00:44:21.040 --> 00:44:32.880
so here is the place that i want you to be able to 
go when you want to be able to start looking for  

00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:40.560
images because we're trying to be able to put this 
together to make it easy for you so this is how to  

00:44:40.560 --> 00:44:47.040
find openly licensed photos and illustrations 
right so we can talk about creative commons  

00:44:47.040 --> 00:44:53.200
we can talk about public domain but an overall 
umbrella term is the openly licensed so i can talk  

00:44:53.200 --> 00:45:02.000
about oa open access i can talk about oer open 
educational resources and so within this context  

00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:06.560
openly licensed is that high level umbrella term 
to be able to talk about all of the different  

00:45:06.560 --> 00:45:14.080
specifics that we had gone through so hopefully 
this will re remind you what's looking at  

00:45:14.080 --> 00:45:19.600
it and so this should give you a step-by-step 
walkthrough of how to be able to do that search

00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:28.880
attribution is always required so when you're 
using the creative commons licensed works  

00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:36.320
just say who they're by you can do it 
it's gonna be awesome and so here is the  

00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:40.000
example of how to be able to do that so 
i should have gotten to this point for  

00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:45.040
uh sooner when i was talking through uh that 
very very good question that had been brought up  

00:45:45.040 --> 00:45:50.800
so this gives you an example of what that 
looks like see there we go awesome now  

00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:56.800
uh google scholar or excuse me google advanced 
image search is not the only way to do things it  

00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:01.840
happens to be the first place that i go to but 
look at the list of things we have for you here  

00:46:02.640 --> 00:46:09.120
creative commons cultural heritage search pretty 
cool like you want to be able to to showcase  

00:46:09.120 --> 00:46:17.360
the bead work that actually shows that a specific 
area truly did have a flower that's an example  

00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:20.000
that i've made up and i have no idea if we could 
do that but it'd be pretty cool if we could  

00:46:21.120 --> 00:46:31.600
um so openly licensed images in these other types 
of things there's options to find music and video  

00:46:31.600 --> 00:46:38.960
which is pretty cool wikimedia commons the 
noun project fig share photos for class  

00:46:40.160 --> 00:46:47.680
so these are just some places to be able to to 
go and look but this site in particular is what  

00:46:47.680 --> 00:46:54.960
we try to keep updated and so um by having this 
resource guide here um this is our way of trying  

00:46:54.960 --> 00:47:00.000
to be able to continue to support the university 
community um and have one place that we can just  

00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:07.120
update things if you find something that you 
think should be included in this space or let's  

00:47:07.120 --> 00:47:16.240
be let's be real greedy here um in any of the 
agriculture research guides that i have created  

00:47:17.120 --> 00:47:20.960
if you think that something ought to be 
you know contained here in this hort guide  

00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:26.880
let me know let us librarians know because we 
create these to be useful and if y'all think  

00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:31.120
that there's something that's more useful 
or better absolutely absolutely tell us  

00:47:32.640 --> 00:47:37.760
so hopefully this is something that you 
can go through there is there's there's so  

00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:44.480
much stuff here please don't feel overwhelmed 
please just feel that this is here for you to  

00:47:45.040 --> 00:47:50.800
uh to be able to be working with um i would be 
remiss if i did not bring forward and highlight  

00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:58.480
the diversity including image collections 
that are here uh yeah let's uh let's make  

00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:05.840
sure that what we're working on can can be as 
inclusive as possible it's really important to me  

00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:13.760
okay so these these are things for you to be able 
to support you in that kind of space let's look  

00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:22.400
to see what else i've got here um i believe we've 
already looked at this but let's just double check

00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:34.160
so um creative commons and the copyright and 
if you want to be able to come through here  

00:48:34.160 --> 00:48:40.080
uh you're frequently asked questions about 
copyright information about marking your own work  

00:48:40.080 --> 00:48:46.800
with the cc licenses um determining the copyright 
and licensing status of work if you find something  

00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:51.280
that's perfect and it's not very clear this 
could be a way to be able to work with that um

00:48:54.240 --> 00:48:59.520
let's see here uh where you can share your 
original works another plug for vtworks to  

00:48:59.520 --> 00:49:02.960
be able to put your things there because you guys 
are doing awesome work i want to make sure that  

00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:10.960
we've got places where it's archived well so it's 
available and hey look this license is here right  

00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:18.240
so anita put this together and she's showing that 
she is putting a creative commons attribution 4.0  

00:49:18.240 --> 00:49:24.240
international license on this right so this is 
how she's working with things which is pretty cool

00:49:26.560 --> 00:49:32.160
uh we went through that so here is an 
example of what vtec works looks like  

00:49:35.120 --> 00:49:41.520
this is a specific collection that we have in the 
tech works and so i don't know why it's called  

00:49:41.520 --> 00:49:45.680
project number 10 but it was and so we just 
rolled with it and so there's a whole bunch  

00:49:45.680 --> 00:49:51.840
of images here and so now within this collection 
you can actually search so it says it says search  

00:49:51.840 --> 00:50:11.840
within this collection and so i searched plant the 
other day and then we came up with we came up with

00:50:14.240 --> 00:50:22.800
pictures so there's images in here and uh 
this is just our history which is pretty cool  

00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:29.680
so i've been working with kali hessian and 
bsc to be able to digitize and archive and  

00:50:29.680 --> 00:50:34.240
work with old photos to be able to put 
them in here and make them available so  

00:50:36.080 --> 00:50:39.840
if you'd like for me to help work 
with you in those different spaces  

00:50:41.120 --> 00:50:45.200
y'all just let me know and then i 
will ask for more help as i need to  

00:50:45.200 --> 00:50:50.480
because let's let's be honest i know that 
there's a whole lot of really cool stuff  

00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:56.320
that's out there that that could surface 
as we really start getting into things um

00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.400
you don't need to go into a specific collection 
to be able to search for images and vtec works

00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:14.400
and so this was to be able to search the whole 
thing and my favorite uh here so i mean i just  

00:51:15.040 --> 00:51:21.840
searched for i think plants again um so there's 
different things to be able to oh there we go  

00:51:23.120 --> 00:51:26.800
no this was just the image search 
virginia white virginia tech hat  

00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:33.280
so here's a picture of a hat that that's what 
that looks like when you're out in the field and  

00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:40.560
doing work and it just like that is utterly 
perfect in so many ways all right and then  

00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:46.240
oh i've missed an h on that but 
we're gonna we're gonna grab this so

00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:56.320
this set of resources um is just to be able to 
to go through and uh there was a lot of work  

00:51:56.320 --> 00:52:01.680
that went into working with this and so there's 
very detailed aspects of how to be able to work  

00:52:01.680 --> 00:52:08.560
with things right and so attributions photography 
different different things and that kind of space  

00:52:08.560 --> 00:52:14.400
all right i have gone through those things and 
now i definitely want to go back to what y'all are  

00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:25.040
talking about so um lori as you've been kind of um 
watching things please surface anything that you  

00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:32.960
think needs to come forward okay did you um 
want to go over that um the other document  

00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:43.280
um let's see the um that i downloaded it like 
your images vce document yeah i should have  

00:52:45.200 --> 00:52:53.520
should have downloaded that and uh managed to 
forget so you want me to put it up real quick  

00:52:54.080 --> 00:53:00.560
i think i've got it right here but if it doesn't 
pop up right away i'm gonna ask you to there you  

00:53:00.560 --> 00:53:06.240
go yep and look given the library some love 
the main resource you should review is the  

00:53:06.240 --> 00:53:12.240
library's image citation guide so i i did go 
over that with you and um we spent some time  

00:53:12.240 --> 00:53:19.840
looking at that and so this is for you right 
and so this should be a reference sheet  

00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:23.280
notice i didn't say cheat sheet because we're 
not cheating here we're doing darn good work  

00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:27.840
this is a reference guide to be able to go 
through what i went through today right so you  

00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:33.840
want an analyzer of if it's fair use or not this 
will walk you through it and it it's pretty cool  

00:53:35.040 --> 00:53:42.480
so um if we're gonna boil everything that i talked 
about today down into very top-level aspects is  

00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:49.840
for the work that i'm doing do i 
need permission to use images and  

00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:58.160
artwork and infographics that i found online the 
answer is yes you need permission however creative  

00:53:58.160 --> 00:54:05.040
commons licensing and those open licensing 
options give that permission already and so  

00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:13.040
you are not needing to ask permission because 
the permission has been granted but we do  

00:54:13.040 --> 00:54:18.960
need permission to be able to work with things as 
we move forward we're going to show what that what  

00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:27.840
those permissions are um to be able to cite the 
works and the things that we are putting forward  

00:54:28.640 --> 00:54:37.280
i highly encourage you to be able to put your own 
licensing and your own permissions on things so  

00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:43.120
it is evident for other people so they know what 
your intent is and so that they can move forward  

00:54:45.040 --> 00:54:51.840
and if you forget everything that i've said 
today the one thing that you must remember  

00:54:52.720 --> 00:54:57.840
is that i am your librarian and i'm here to help 
and i've got a whole library full of people behind  

00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:05.840
me that will also help that i can lean on to be 
able to support you so there we go other questions

00:55:11.680 --> 00:55:19.120
okay i don't see any other questions um uh in here 
a couple people late so i've let them know that  

00:55:19.120 --> 00:55:24.320
the recording will be up probably i'll send out 
the announcement on monday it will also include  

00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:29.280
the document you just reviewed as well as the 
list of all of the websites that you went to  

00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:33.840
um so that'll all be together in 
one little package for everybody  

00:55:34.640 --> 00:55:40.160
and especially people that couldn't attend 
today i've also suggested that people if they  

00:55:40.160 --> 00:55:45.200
have specific incidences or things that they 
would like to discuss that they contact you  

00:55:46.080 --> 00:55:52.640
about those uh because there's so many different 
um absolutely things that people the library has  

00:55:52.640 --> 00:55:56.400
a chat function and you're welcome to be able to 
pop in the chat too you're welcome to email me  

00:55:56.400 --> 00:56:00.880
directly as well but sometimes folks can help 
you navigate that in that kind of space in a  

00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:07.600
faster way than i can and i guess i will take 
a second to be able to plug the library again  

00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:13.520
and my services to be able to say that if you 
want me to give a presentation or if you want  

00:56:13.520 --> 00:56:19.440
a presentation on anything that is related to 
the library it's our job to be able to do that  

00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:27.200
and so we can do one-on-one consults we can do 
one to small groups i am happy to be able to  

00:56:28.160 --> 00:56:35.200
come to a monthly meeting to be able to give a 
a smaller like a pricy about this kind of topic  

00:56:35.200 --> 00:56:41.520
you know for 20 minutes or whatever else that 
way so if there's any teaching any training that  

00:56:41.520 --> 00:56:47.840
needs to happen on anything library related 
please reach out thank you so much for the  

00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:55.280
opportunity to be present uh in this space y'all 
do good work and it is so cool to uh to get to  

00:56:55.280 --> 00:57:03.120
be able to support you so thank you all right 
thank you very much um anything else uh cindy

00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:11.840
all right um inga's uh contact information will 
also be on on these documents that are sent out  

00:57:13.120 --> 00:57:18.400
i did see one thing come through about somebody 
not with virginia tech i tried to make as much of  

00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:25.440
what i had available um applicable to folk that 
are not content not connected to virginia tech  

00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:29.440
um the only thing that i can think about at the 
top of my head that does not connect is the policy  

00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:35.280
thirteen thousand and so uh please feel free to 
share all the resources please share the links  

00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:40.800
to the resource guides at virginia tech uh those 
librarian research guides that are pulled together  

00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:47.280
those are publicly available they they should be 
um available and accessible and you are welcome  

00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:53.680
to share them broadly so if you are in a class 
and you share them with the public that is great  

00:57:53.680 --> 00:58:00.320
please do please feel free to do so do you have a 
recommendation or is there like a cheat sheet that  

00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:06.480
back to the question when you work with um other 
presenters you're coordinating other presenters  

00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:14.000
into a program that are recommendations for them 
when you know this program can be recorded and  

00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:21.200
released to help them stay sort of on the safe 
side of no i i don't uh but i think that's a  

00:58:21.200 --> 00:58:26.000
really great idea and i'm gonna try to take a 
note here that we could create some boilerplate  

00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:29.920
language around that but maybe somebody in the 
library one of my colleagues has already created  

00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:34.640
that so i will look into that and get back to 
you and then lori i'd like to share that with you  

00:58:35.200 --> 00:58:38.720
so then you could broadcast that again and 
if the person that had that specific question  

00:58:38.720 --> 00:58:43.520
cares to email me directly so i directly follow 
up with them i'm happy to do so good question

00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:52.560
all right i'm checking to see i don't see any 
final questions i see a lot of thank yous for  

00:58:52.560 --> 00:58:59.280
being so engaging for your enthusiasm um for the 
information um and a few people saying yes they're  

00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:04.800
definitely going to follow up with you great 
all right well thanks everybody for your time  

00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:11.440
uh and attention today um the recording uh 
link should go out on monday provided it  

00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:17.840
gets up to the cloud in a timely manner and um 
uh thank you for being our new best friend dinga  

00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:24.480
glad uh glad to be here i did drop my um my email 
into the chat it will go out in those other places  

00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:28.640
uh just to be able to oversaturate that 
to be able to make sure that i'm available  

00:59:29.600 --> 00:59:33.920
all right have a good rest of the 
day and a good weekend everybody