very easy if you tell me your name. Oh
my name, yes, Tempy Barksdale Davis.
And today's date is What's today's date today? Today
is April 88 2015. Right? 2015. Thank
you. And I would like to hear your stories
and your memories of St pPhillips. Anything that you
can remember that you'd like to tell me about and
I'll ask you some specific questions in a moment.
But just memories of ST phillips would be great trying
to mention the particular time similarly. And then I
do recall there one time was a black minister but
he didn't stay too. And he was from Roanoke,
I think. He left. Mhm
. Simply I didn't put as measured in. The
one is the views of the city who was at
the simple. The minister was terrible at ST john
Would serve over two saint Philip After seven. Okay
, I'm not sure who that was. I have
to look that up after. Oh okay. What
years did you attend ST phillips do you remember?
Haven't you know? But when did you first start
going? I don't know. I was great,
walked through the snow with my sister. She was
my sister. Lady was older than that one.
And we will walk to ST Philip's church before we
emerge going to sink job church and sometimes we have
as service early in the morning at eight o'clock at
Sainte devote church and then there was time we had
to change the service to heaven in the afternoon at
four o'clock at ST Philip's church. What years was
this? Do you remember? I would say that's
back in the mm He had to be back in
the 50s renounce they be up in the 70s.
And where did you did you live far from the
church? Did you look far from the church or
close by? Did a pocket? Did you live
close to the church? No, no, I
live, you know, went along with everything from
your, I do. Okay. I used to
live in, along with the ST Philip's church was
coming all the way along would and where it used
to be now you can imagine everybody a mouth better
ST because what you're how many, how many people
went to ST phillips. How many people were there
? I never was four times on the one May
was named. I can't think the black man that
was there all the time. Oh, he got
the legals, his last name Bet Yes, it
was only there was James, James cars because during
the time he was away in school before you get
married indicate it was a saint pillow. Excuse me
. Clear. And during the time I think before
sibling Summers Charles Summers Charles Summers he was there early
in the 40s and Summer last name. Summer summer's
he was, he would have been there in the
30s and 40s, but that's probably before you were
attending. Yeah, probably so, no saying state
that has been a long time before they had service
there. It started because of the agenda. Well
, like with my aunt, she being the oldest
one and all those, they had got up in
age like, oh, excuse I never come.
Most of them had a black methodist church 3rd then
, because we had a lot of from the Medford
, the church has come most of the town to
ST Philip but see but not having the service readily
. That's where they, that's how they got to
the member of the church that will they could go
to that was down the bottom of the year nestor
to jail. I believe the black methodist church was
. Yeah, I wasn't sure was wasn't it been
you know, busy johnson used I took my views
. Listen, it was the Black Church. We
had to go down a hill. It was a
small church, it's across from the court, not
to call from the railroad tracks. It's no longer
in existence. But there is a a small church
across from the courthouse. That was that church.
Court Street methodist has a Court Street methodist in Bedford
. Cool street map in Bedford. I know about
Cole Street. Medford is in bed. Did you
talk about the black methodist? Yes, ma'am.
How did it all feel much about? Mm.
Well, I think that the church ST phillips started
in I think the 1870s. Yeah, it was
safe. It was one that ST Philip, as
long as I can remember my own recognition, remember
whatever read and know about it. It was a
very strong church when he first died. And the
things I used to catch on to ST Philip really
? Do you remember minister? You used to live
in reno it came medicine over church there and grow
No, can you place in Madison who I'm talking
about? Because a long time ago he called to
death. But remember that I was to answer the
phone. He's there with them and I did you
could place you what's going and that was him calling
then he was visited, you know in Ronald and
it's sad to make but a ST phillips church.
Oh yes. I remember used to go there.
All of my aunt was living there a long and
only when I tell you last name. Oh what
? Uh Really? Oh you know what I'm talking
about liver and Larry. Who is she married?
Her husband, that's her husband. People that I'm
talking about was going to ST Philip. Okay.
Because the Bryant goes there was method is that was
a methodist too, referring back say I was real
little when I was a little knows a little something
. Oh I think I remember the christian presence.
We always have a good christmas programs during the christmas
season, you know, because I never forget how
I had a and to say that uh chinese dogs
that they've given me as the president put in the
shoebox and my sister there and all of them had
walked from those panic and all of them. My
other first because the clouds sister clans will isn't it
? And we walked with the church home. That's
the other family. Yes, Clarence Lazenby attended ST
phillips. You have his name on the list,
don't you? He's deceased now. Also he's he
but he attended he was also Episcopalian. He was
his clown. You don't have that. Yeah.
That name lazy t lazy daughter is still the um
mary flood. Use that mary flood. You gave
me her name was Little Flood mary Flood cousin clients
. Talking about south America. I'm thinking about my
you saint mary flow head lean. It's mary at
lean Flood. Oh yeah you said very well.
Anything but she goes by mary now. Yes you
go by the floor. Yeah. Marriage you're gonna
need to be heard. I think I will.
I think I'll call her. Yeah it's a good
idea because her father was managed of ST bill now
he wasn't a minister. Cousin. Clarence attended ST
phillips. What? I'm sorry. I know you're
correct. I don't mind. That's all right.
I got it. That's right. I know I
know his name. You're right. I do have
his name on my list. So, you grew
up at ST phillips You remember you remember ST phillips
from a very early age? Uh That's not the
one I know. Thank Philip where we used to
have the wall. Uh huh. Two churches on
the time of the go during a particular time.
And and then during the time it looked like it
was a break between the minister there at the time
. I don't know what happened to think, but
then let it all sink. Uh john would participate
whatever we have there. And with john ed may
I ask your questions because something else is coming to
me. Van Miller uh dan Miller. Van Miller
. He was one of the oldest. Remember there
were those two girls, his daughters that you know
, well they could be in their daughters and not
because they went to Washington street baptist church. Van
Miller was another member. These other girls. The
girls you were told they were strictly anticipation, right
? I was thinking maybe they might have been that
Van Miller Dick Cheney at church, but that's just
how I was just how I wasn't street. Got
a lot of our members because of the minister that
we didn't have. So, probably 7-8 members.
Now that I'm thinking back, ma, you're helping
me to remember. So, 78 member, if
you're talking about you, Aunt Letty, uncle,
walter, uncle richard, cousin Clarence, Mr mrs
Kyle, band miller, We're not leaving out and
his two daughters. I think it's great, it's
about 10 during that time those right much of a
membership for what they have Death back in a 30
. Yeah, well 30s, not you are 50
fifty's okay, just back in 1930. What happened
that made ST phillips close? Uh, close?
It was because first we have the cause of Tadashi
and a possible church that we had and then like
I said they wanted was up and everyone will forget
his name short of sufficient. We agree to close
and what we say that because there was nobody that
but uh, I think if I were recalled,
did someone come to the church and talk to you
all about it afterwards when they know where we was
causing the church? That's one ST john took over
because it was as we go into churches, crowns
and also on the church, you know every sunday
practice and wasn't nobody there, but just us and
one day I think we have to say I was
much younger than clowns at the time. How old
were you at this time, man? How old
were you at this time at that particular? Was
that started high school? What have problems in high
school maybe? But I was young. May not
been a housing and I think you were told you
had Children and and no, not investing. The
Shiva was born. That was along this. We
should talk about what was started. I was young
. That's when I said it would give me my
dog. Right? But when the church closed is
what I'm talking about. Yes. There was our
year that we had to close your church. Yeah
. And look at what business first, both the
church and what they did. And then later on
they turned into something else. So when the church
closed that they come and ask you if you wanted
to go to ST john's. But ST john that's
where we went to the ST joan. I believe
that if I had a book right? Not in
my I had a collection of over that. So
I would want these gathering p don't go away things
. But see I had all of that when ST
Philip close. That's how we started going to ST
john Saint john stepping immediately because there was some of
them will still come over you know? And uh
and that's why I was granted church was closed that
maybe they will tell you they're more from your church
. You go there for Saint john I go to
ST john's in Lynchburg, not in Bedford. So
I don't know but I want to hear from you
what you remember about that? It was during the
time of Integration. Do you remember that that people
had about the integration part? Yeah I was spending
the organs, there was a musician more than where
we're going and then that's what they like about it
because it was a little update Herbal Things then and
then with the integration there's absolutely to say john when
was closing the church? Do you remember any discussions
about integration around the closing of the church? The
only thing I recalled it was two smaller members.
It was too small and membership or whoever it was
in a tender and keeping up the church or whatever
it was. It was the reason why they closed
, get rid of the same a church. So
you don't remember hearing it was named ST Philip's church
was you don't remember hearing that Integration was the reason
for the for the closing of ST phillips. No
, I don't think that that particular time, but
we don't think about on the side of the building
going down to the way they had no peeling what
they used to do when they can't think with that
part right now because her and started going rather her
start going more often when I remember he would tell
me when he was sick you know the ST Philip
and my brother walter? That would be on the
record cause he wants everything gen dance to give you
some talking you know? Oh I forgot you say
you're not from Bedford, from Jim pissed from bed
. That's my uncle. So I know he well
he would know and what they're leaving here at all
. It was a birthday or something head this week
with him. I don't think so. I might
have missed it. Yeah. Got it in my
In the book was in the 7th of him.
What was with you? Oh he took over he's
still the best room you know he became a veteran
or whatever vestry he serves on the vestry. Yeah
, he still was on the best. He got
a big town. So when you started going to
ST john's um, what were some of the things
that you did there? It's thanks john on the
quad. Mhm, mm. When I was,
when johnny crowder with someone not concerning mary Ewbank was
beautiful shit. American mary Eubanks was the pandas during
the time. It was really, it was really
a happy group. I said we were growing up
and going to church. It was john, you
know, I didn't know john psychic pace trying,
I saw in the richard, you know him,
I know that name, john psych above his wife
is still in bed and still living in the house
where she said, when you're on the choir,
you stop going, why did you get off the
choir for me? When I was, it was
singing on the clown? What happened? That's what
I wondered that what happened? Why did you think
we were, it was the same rebels there.
I also know for no reason. I know at
one time when you were married to Daniel, both
of you sing on the choir, Daniel just saying
took, he kind of surprised me because he knows
what I usually do with tremor just readily and also
sang in the choir so he thought he could sing
in the choir too. And what was disappointed cause
he's supposed the same base and I don't know what
happened to him was one man did have a baseball
from saint joan and I think that you couldn't,
could you? It was a little different than he
couldn't compete with. And I think this will happen
because if that particular that I wasn't married that length
of time. But did he get upset? Did
he say something that he didn't feel welcome when he
was on the choir? No, no, he
may not got upset, you know, had you
know how we members, you know how they put
the plate remembers when you're singing and group and just
talking in general. No, he really didn't get
upset at least I didn't think he did and if
he did, he had, he had a m
A degree, you know a master degree and he's
supposed to know no different there and he knows that
and then he became and then what got me with
him Akamas sister that was living larry if you don't
marry him, I don't know what to say.
Bam said I have to my Children and they just
reach the age of 21 to be on their own
, you know, and she was a run of
college you know to protect the time because I told
him I'm gonna get him out of high school and
I will get them at college arrest and had to
be on their own. And they were active in
the church too. Yeah. But what I will
say the youth group that schiller was in, what
was the name of the youth group that schiller was
in at ST it's ST john or was there a
youth group at ST Philip? We didn't have that
. I don't think so. But then you went
to ST ST john And then another thing with Vincent
the show there was in the class with the once
excellent job and if they were all relevant matter of
fact, they know where it is all up together
and they were everything. They had a really strong
youth group. They did, there was a larger
group and it was and they were outgoing, what
they owe folk tale ju lass. I didn't know
he could sing neither. The fourth of july shell
Simpson and a group of saying for the fourth of
july several celebrations at Liberty High School that you know
they show off with and at the nickels whatever.
Uh it's a first name, she's feeling better if
you met her then she's a pants. Her mother
was the organist there. The sniffles was organized their
best foot and all of them, those girls and
boys and they could tell you ramp and they really
did one of the members of sale the video.
They had never seen a group. They participate as
well as they did on the celebration of four.
They were a very progressive youth group. I haven't
seen like them since then. They would see.
Her daughter has a beautiful voice. She still sings
today. I don't, I don't know. Um
, and she was a part of the youth group
and she played the piano. She's uh, african
american. No, no, but she was in
the youth group with Sheila and Vincent and she is
a professional pianist remember and you wanted as the panels
were talking about, her mother was the organization Japan's
and organized ST thanks y'all and her daughter was the
one we're talking about and she's now it's still in
least very well. Her mother has passed away.
I know I saw that later and she has,
she does her private music teaching very strictly private.
She much larger than you are. What else did
you do at ST john's, you were on the
choir, You also participated and while what else did
you do at ST john's? I did a little
bit, everything come to serve something in the middle
. We used to do all of that. But
now different, you know, definitely have teams that
you worked with this much better. And her brother
walter already have to with the men when it came
to maintenance type. He was here him and jump
back. It was just like this human door,
door door him George and of the war to real
, real close. Yeah. But a little difference
here was quite active. Active as best. So
if that's were very active in the church and then
when they had those council meeting, that's where walter
used to go all the time when they haven't the
council meetings there. And also you're white Fran.
I'm trying to think that she sings on the oil
or not. His wife, she was a teacher
there in bed. I think it's like john,
we were allowed the group. What about him?
like Haven did your did your Children go to him
? Lock Haven? The conference center. Oh went
there and they were one time this kind of walk
on campus and al obviously where they had a camp
of wherever it is towards uh since southwestern part of
the state passed Blacksburg Marion. So I can't place
it right now. We talked about some 40 years
ago. I think they did most T. V
needles. That's another conference center who Phoebe needles,
which is up in the mountains. That's talking about
. She would know all of the best in the
show. I want to say it was the Nicholas
, Karen Nichols girl, she would know about events
in the show because they were always together, you
know, and she has her own probably of schooling
and private teaching. And would you say the church
was very welcoming? When ST phillips and members joined
ST john's well to ST john's it's just more natural
to me and I see no difference. Yeah,
mm. Nobody treats you. Yeah, maybe with
me. I didn't see no difference because they accept
it was open on and I was I've got on
the car and it made it wonderful john size because
I really surprised that he pays I keep them thank
you from Bedford. He was living in bed that
he just passed, you know and his wife is
still active in Bedford with the pooling service and I
can't let me say this this one lady, I
can't replace her right? She was, wasn't it
? It was just a Jackson or something, a
saint john and she's very active now but I can't
place her right now. We live. Who is
your work? But that's how it was. Okay
. So right now I'm old. I don't know
anything now. Do you remember bishop Marmi in at
all? No bishop mom. But he loved,
that's when they used to go up to the camp
and moment will be there. Yeah, I know
there have been over 20 good little while. That's
a long time ago when he was uh Children be
a bishop moment and when it came to ST john
you know for his yelling visit whatever it is because
I haven't met this new minister. I'm ambition.
Have you? I have not. Yeah, I
missed. Why the last visit. Mhm. Uh
Oh he's uh yeah, you read about it,
you think you would, I just have to read
it sometimes you read something, make, make whatever
it is. You know, here's a new minister
, he has Children on it. He does.
Who's that? Who's that medicine? It was medicine
before he was you that you know of the nelson
, you know, I'm talking about tom mustard.
Mustard, trying to think. My mustard. He
was recent. He was before Father Brown. Yeah
, he's been recent minister like within the last,
No, no, no, no. He still
has his name. He's very happy. He's in
Atlanta Georgia right down there where my son is,
down in Atlanta Georgia. He lived like does he
lives down in Atlanta Georgia where the area he lives
on the asset of south side, on the north
side of the celebration of, you know, I
said celebration of where they go because even bishop mormon
would come to church. How was that Bishop mormon
When he would come to church? They better like
him. Nobody didn't just like this a moment.
Did he ever come to ST phillips? Do you
sure? He came one time. What was it
him or was it the other big for him?
I don't think they like them to wear the one
before him. I think the members just didn't like
him, whoever he was. But no moment was
very good. And he had an open mind when
coming to you, dealing with people with small membership
. He knew how to speak to them and go
talk to them, you know? You know?
And hopefully the Great Church will still have more members
to come in. Now. The Masters and I've
been using step tall, it's called Or do you
remember him? Don't you know him? Carpenter?
I don't know what made me take you in a
bit. All my family's in Bedford, that's a
fair assumption. All my family's in Bedford disappearance.
Seabed is a very powerful. It is. It
is because I have to say this now belong.
Cause when I was married, my charity housing was
the race train. That's where he worked at the
racetrack, went to Detroit, that's where she was
going to Detroit michigan and I went to still,
there was outgoing going that he would be very careful
. It was the last place where you have to
go. You know, I was going down to
the mark or something and then it, I like
it. Yeah, that's a green. Yeah.
Oh God, yeah. I said greed, hip
. Yeah. After a while finally he found out
what I wanted. He said, we're gonna call
this green, we call this uh Greece's salad or
whatever it is. You got a different name because
it was from the north and south. You know
, cause I said, mama, we always called
green salad green regarding what kind of green it was
. And I said, just that opened up my
mind from then on what they want to sell by
the green. But on the whole a vest would
know is there is I'm glad he came back to
ST john's, you know, because he's getting married
married. You know, he was a good look
before you get married again. And his wife is
really active in the church. She's nice too.
Your experiences at ST jOHn's have always been pleasant.
Uh your experiences at ST jOHn's has always been pleasant
. Would you say everybody was welcome? Me?
Everybody was wonderful. We are and green. You
know, I was green and child green, red
green and all of them those are groups. We
were we were we were really happy and spiritually happy
during the time. Your mouth was really wild opening
and it was nice. And I haven't been up
to West Minister buried next Minister camera because I was
so were adopted handed white. He was my dentist
, something upset about her and another one from ST
john their incapacity, you know dr bush lost his
mouth. I will never forget him. Yeah.
One of our favorite ministers. He married. You
didn't he didn't perform your marriage ceremony. You know
Daniel may marry daddy or not. Yes, ma'am
. When we got married bet anyway. Uh and
when he would visit the house here would come down
to the house. See I was on the lady
that was there at the house is not Uh other
brothers entered the two brothers, he would kiss here
. Sometimes it was I hate to mop the floor
. It's like a big break my back. You
know, it's the same thing about vacuum. I
never didn't like the language of us. It's something
that I didn't know what it was is a ball
on my back. and here I was down on
their knees and somebody knocked on the front door and
I said I have not looked at there with him
now my knees are finally I got a was him
, I gotta went to the door and I put
my foot county there was would open up to par
and what did he say? This was grand boy
. And finally I said walter is not here and
something else. He said somebody church. So that's
my church. Finally said I'm glenn Bush. I
looked at him still couldn't business mind that he is
going to be the message of the church. He
put his put kind of the dose so I will
continue closing the door. And so we do that
. Then when he said uh what's his name?
Was at ST john's church by walter. I was
really shocked And you know that reminds me too back
then the ministers, did they not visit the homes
more? We will come and visit at the home
. If you made that you could do that would
come to the homes and visit families like reverend Bush
would come and visit. He would come and see
Uncle Bush made a congregational church stepped up the young
one when he came to bed, he didn't miss
no members where they live. Actually come to the
home and which is that's what he did. He
didn't miss nobody home. That's how he becomes for
me to know who they were. And I guess
that's how he come familiar with me. When I
put when I told a walter is not here,
he's working. And you both have your foot on
that door, didn't you know, I put him
up so he wouldn't be, you know, pushing
no, he puts puts him at the door.
He said, well, I'm limp or something.
I said, that's my church. And then he
was the minister there. Well, he just lost
his mother. And I know my mother went to
the funeral. Um, let me ask you one
more question. I don't want to keep you off
from lunch. I know you've got lunch coming up
sometime soon. I'm talking to. Uh, so
during the time of integration, you don't remember any
discussions about closing the church for the purposes of having
the black congregations and the white congregations together. It
was talked about, it was discussed about it,
but there was no hesitation of what would be doing
going into the white congregation. Did the bishop talk
to you about it? Or or did the congregations
talk about it? I think the bishop wanted it
to happen. There were some other people who didn't
want it to happen, but we never got that
kind of comment. You just heard that it was
going to happen And it was gonna, we were
the ones said that we were, we were when
I was younger than the rest of it, that
we had to close the church, Nobody there.
But just uh, and then with the money,
you know, coming the, it was different.
We didn't have a minister, We were a long
time without the minister, you know, because they
had other churches. They had to go to bad
for the trying to say who was there? Thank
washing street Treasure one or 2 times because we did
have the organ in there at that church who talked
about integration, Washington street. I'm thinking about Washington
street. We would go to integrate the church or
with ST john integrated. But integration of the church
. I think it was very open minded was we
get close at with race or whatever you want.
There's when ST john did not hesitate to have us
. And how did you feel about that? Was
that okay with you? It made no deal with
me. Where I was happy about you a lot
of, because they come over to ST phillips already
. It was, it was it didn't make our
services ST Philip was the same thing. Mhm.
And so the only thing, you know what?
I went, third of Children was involved with,
same those Children at ST john's maybe in, in
the school system, I was already involved with.
Quite afraid of the churches, You know, So
so were the schools integrated by the time it was
if they did make some spinners upon this, uh
, whatever it is, it never did get close
to us. You felt welcome. We felt welcome
and you were happy to be over there. You
didn't feel forced to go over there. We didn't
feel well and you know, different down service announced
that we need a saint Philip The service was the
same and the preacher was somebody you knew, the
minister was somebody you knew. Do you remember the
NEZ was responsibly reverend and you knew some of the
people who had come over to the church. So
it was all right. You don't remember any discussions
about, I don't know that he had no comments
or discussion dislike or anything like that With us because
during that particular time there was several members of ST
John Mayer and No one was going to take place
and somehow he could already come to the church and
worship with. So you think that might have been
why they came over? No, not particular because
we was, no, it was a little strong
members there. I was the youngest one, but
with my brother and my sister lady and I can't
think the other two names. People along with her
cousin Clarence was the clowns. We were just,
you know, there were about 10 of you,
There were about 10 of you. You think just
approve of off and on. You know, when
you went to ST john's, did you all sit
together? Do you remember going to see when you
went over and started attending ST john's? Did you
all sit together? Did you have a pew where
we whatever. I don't know why ST john had
it so well planted. It's like we've been that
all of life. That's what you said. Yeah
. Mhm Yeah, that's the way it was.
I mean, really, you don't remember where you
sat. No, john cycles on a quiet,
I don't know who else was on. You were
on the choir, huh? Yeah. Everybody else
that was, I don't know. Do you remember
what you said? Probably where I sit now,
back on the right hand, tend to gravitate to
the same spot video to us. It wasn't,
we didn't have no, it just wasn't no problem
with us. Even with the people that at ST
john maybe because they know what we were doing and
would rather father was working at a true place.
I was working at a busy shopping place and therefore
they made a rather different there with knowing about the
people there. But no, it didn't make.
No, it was the man that was a problem
with us when he was talking about it. You
know, because we said something had to be done
because of the size of the church. Yes.
If the church is something you have to be done
because we're just us and we wasn't getting the members
coming in. The treasure chest was well built.
There were big discussions about the integration during that time
, at the diocesan level. But you were not
aware of that. That's interesting. No, he
really was not with us. Yeah. You're trying
to, and I think it happens for their changes
. Um, those who are in charge of making
the changes have the discussions and then it sort of
filters down to, okay, this is what we're
gonna do. And then you find out at that
level, very not very often. Are you a
part of that discussion at the decision making? It
was on the news. My brother was, my
brother was there. They could, if he was
living water. I tell you vets could really give
a lot if this shows, if they show some
this appointment, it was didn't because I don't think
they lost their membership. Yeah. Yeah. Gonna
lose no membership if they did. You weren't aware
of it with because all churches lose membership. Still
maybe the views and a lot of time, but
we didn't make it. Uh, there were two
news. I found some news casts and it talked
about the bitterness. Uh, that was happening.
Would would you have been attuned to that? No
, why not? I wasn't a part of the
discussion of things. I just don't remember hearing those
types of discussions at the time I attended, which
probably there's 12 30. What about older folks?
Really? It wasn't any choice of that term.
Mm. I turned right. I attended whip on
left. I know phillips, I remember that,
but as far as it failed among there, around
the kitchen table And I grew up in the era
where Children were not around grown people's conversations. So
if there were discussions, I wasn't written to it
. Yes, they have a lot of discussion about
the church johnny, they did have the needy,
the media did. Yes. What was the media
, was the media saying? Something different too young
to be in, in that me at that time
, what do you remember what the discussions were about
? Do you the discussion of going to ST well
, I was going to ST john uh, the
only thing I know when we were just because they
were going, they've been younger clouds, There will
be such a small members and our church wasn't growing
that we had to close the church or do something
, you know, there was nobody else was there
. If I find out if like me you're talking
about that used to be a methodist church before he
came a possible church. I don't know. Somewhere
along the line in the industry. No shadow.
No. And that was sure, you know,
But my oldest brother and my oldest, Especially my
oldest brother. And uh because he was the first
one to be independent of the church, my oldest
brother, he was 12 years old now. And
then there walter came later on within the church.
It's a particular time because see I was a member
of my mother church but yet I've been remember them
. But I never to go to my mother church
because we didn't have no service at the church at
all. And then after all at that time.
Uh huh. When that happened is actually lip drop
. Uh huh. Uh No, I'm just listening
to what you were saying. After all that happened
. It was no problem. I just know we
say with clowns and all of us in the group
that we had to do something. That was about
the true members, you know, you know,
getting that the members would come in, you know
, so something had to be done. It was
us really say we had to close. It was
Saint john that opened the door was, but I
never forget that day we walk into ST john,
just tell me about the first day you walked into
ST john's wonderful. As you said, there's been
a little while ago. was that back in the
6-67 when we walk in? It was, it
was nice because we were up board up to two
point of what we're doing. You know, brought
up to date, we will be gone and see
once you will participate, You know all the documents
you are always anticipate, you know whether you,
I don't know. So ST you all had the
same thing that we had, we have the same
reading and everything. So it was not new to
. And you remember that first day that you went
in there and there were a lot of people,
oh it was the first day. But I always
go to see a guy they've been a little while
ago. But it was an open arms bus.
I will say that then we had to go that
particular time. Clouds. Was he what was he
rather? Do you know what a walter was the
one with this? I think Uncle Water was No
, No, No six here. You can ask
because he had a cloud sometimes had his own sickness
. His family that he couldn't change. Huh?
Did I was acting. Yeah. Yeah. You
did great. I'm gonna stop it now. But
that's that's really helped