I think we'll just make the starts and apologies.
First of all that were dragging you in from the
first sunshine you've probably seen in the past two days
. We'll try to keep it to time maybe a
little bit earlier so that you came back up top
breaking. So this afternoon what we'll be doing is
looking at the capacity building and alignment work.
And for those who don't know me, I'm Joy Davidson,
I'm associate director of the Digital Center in the U.K., Jist funded projects
. I'm an alumni of the first ANANDP conference which was held
lot of in Estonia. What we did in the
first at that conference was a slightly different take today
. I think what we've been hearing over the course
of the last two days is really how important is
going to be to have a successful transfer of digital
assets, Stewart's over the course. The assets like
. So, uh, that means that a huge
range of different city holders have the right skills at
the right time and they have to be able to
do something within a local environment. So I think
possibly slightly controversially, while we are here today to
talk about is alive, additional international initiatives. I
do think it's really important to remember that all of
this stuff has to happen, you know? So
a lot of this stuff really does come down as
well, live in different roles within the organization.
Should be this kind of work, collaborate to have
a bigger picture, you can see the roles within
the bigger picture. Yeah, so going back to
the first annual conference, the panel nightshirt during that
session was focusing much more informal education, some sort
of it's impractical within formal education programs. But what
we try to be there was was slightly different.
Again, for the rest of the conference, panels
was focused on aligning disciplines rather than that initiatives,
because again, we felt that you could do a
lot of, a lot of work. We do
see an awful lot of covers within communities of practice
, Initial size community, the research community. There
are activities going forward, trying to develop, trying
to admit as preparation and sources but while we're still
not entirely the same. Great Mhm insurers. Yes
. An understanding of who is going to do was
yes. So we have incredible progress but we do
still. So the first conference we were looking at
the professionals information profession to the library. Yeah,
anybody would do that to me. But also some
researchers have playing while we were focusing on research data
, it could be anybody. So whoever is access
that also library or repository. So we were looking
at how these skills have. So Cliff gave up
number of you have recommendations from the first conference.
I picked up a few here that he had indiana
got volume. You haven't read it. It's only
about 350 so get to the copyright. But I'm
still the five key recommendations that Cliff picked out for
our particular. They are in no particular order.
The first is to develop the certificate program. We
have a huge amount of progress in this area.
We have seen some work by the contracts you for
the project awards. They have done someone to start
thinking about correction. This is in the context of
a cultural heritage. Yeah, The second was to
develop credited quiet as Patrick's and this is still an
area where we're seeing quite an awful lot of words
. All right. We're seeing a lot of different
training program. You know, we've got DLL has
got their philosophical training or uh huh. Tracy of
course. Since we've got just last week the new
England collaborative damage. Right. This is reasonable resource
. This again, is more for researchers, particularly
in the engineering, Chemistry and health sciences. But
it's interesting, interestingly pitched in the undergrad and post
. So this is mhm Yes. Uh, we've
also seen in the last interim period between the last
Yes, the research information in digital literacy coalition,
otherwise medals in the UK and that has done a
little bit of origin trying to finish the bird is
different training courses and thinking how describing the study of
course. And that is when they talk about the
this room after this fast. We're still very good
work from the detail to build capacity occurrence. But
also there, Okay, this story residency start use
the facts. Also work here. A little bit
of that from mary is and with regards to number
three, the supply and demand. I think that
is constantly going to be a we've seen stuff progressive
, visible trade, you're out there. I'm finding
some sort of sense of them is always difficult.
Another thing that we looked at such what possible give
it up. Yeah, the homework I think again
this is worth mentioning Parisot yes, activities that we
are materials, a number of transport these courses,
the last two points here are still a little bit
the initial stages very important. Watch the best,
quite engaging and canned acquires. We have a tendency
to sort we know what everybody should be able to
do and we don't hearts and people will point.
Yeah. So I think we have done as much
a conversation with the end employers and also the profession
, the ones that particularly please much more interesting to
listen. Just like there are body has to say
just in time wait, single moment of actually within
nancy agency called. Mhm. Okay. But a
lot of work. Yeah. Finally increase improving cooperation
. Came about body skill sets. And this is
something that you can pretty much guarantee will stall or
is I think it's one of those things we're never
going to get a one size fits all and I
think it comes back. Everybody possible play within this
picture. It just needs to know what and how
it relates to. Yeah. We need to be
a little bit long. Theory. That's it's not
going to be the librarians of the world this morning
. Matthews as they worked. So defining the skill
set. I think you need to be a lot
more practice. Start to really look at particular.
Yes. Yeah. List are going to. Right
. Right. So this is just like Captain what's
happening. Yes. Sense of first quite a lot
of progress. But as I said, I think
there's still a few hours that we haven't really started
to make why we'll be doing for the next 45
minutes or so. Is hearing hard. That's sort
of again, we're looking to try and focus less
suspects in this. Uh huh. Try really.
What's happening on the ground? So the words They
got something Yes. Different berries. A coworker.
They're funny, very white. Try. Sorry,
terrible Canadian. I should not have gotten that run
. She's based in Queens University in Kingston, which
is only two hours for Children. Is a little
bit of an overview of some of the work is
happening. I understand I was a good comment.
Yeah. This one so much for it. Just
give me a little bit. Yeah. What curfews
are? That's it. And that's what I hear
you. Yeah. Have been some of my name
is Laura. I am researcher. Happy at University
of Glasgow Hottie is the humanities advanced technology and information
institutes across the society awkward experiments. It's the worst
title. Forgive me for just using anti were relevant
in digital preservation corporation circles for work in the topics
on this. Like I'm necessarily going to go pretty
fast because I don't want to unpacking. Mhm.
And yes, it's like I'm checking ahead of the
technology, Advanced Technology and so I worked normally on
temporarily funded projects. And there's been a little bit
of discussion at this event about the frustrations, enjoys
the pleasures, the problems of trying to build answer
. I'm not something that I I know, but
it's so what I want to do is just give
you a couple of minutes on the smooth part and
just where these questions. So um within an activity
in a group of researchers who were coming to properly
funded projects such as awesome And these projects from between
a few months, a few years and members of
this research projects team leading contributors. And I think
let's look what you're on this site. We also
have, we have strong international banks, say these
pieces of work natural and we also have strong international
links in other ways. So it's very nice to
work on international projects. Travel gets a jet off
tonight's place of that person, but also what's good
is that people can see us too. So we
have them and visiting such helps people I can't divide
very real, sorry, the England and so on
. People from definitely from far from destinations come to
Glasgow and contribute to our work. And the health
projects team also help feed into development and skills,
dream pieces of work in countries like the US and
and so a small selection of our international projects from
this life. There are a few more and I
think the one I want to take as an example
is digital if you can see that according but also
we have things that many of you will be familiar
with. It. DCC. So I think in
our international project work, most of these projects going
to a couple of different bags. The first one
would be projects which are based in the UK as
a Scottish person. Obviously idea to UK as a
country, as a company. I'm not necessarily going
but I think you just think it's okay, it's
pretty good for the purposes of this discussion I would
attract and so um you know, some of these
projects first back they're based in the UK for example
and they have important international work with many different countries
. And the second back if you were our projects
such as the giraffe which are fundamentally based on a
network. So the collaboration of the alignment of objectives
, enlightenment of the we can call about this is
what we want out of this, what we Mhm
. Is that so much of the park and in
case of described, I think I'd like to say
that the this scrapbook is working towards three of the
recommendations from privilege. I'm just going to very quickly
list them. I'm not going to I think firstly
that some of the difficult work moved towards developing accredited
providers and metrics secondly, and to engage with employers
and professional bodies one situation and further to improve cooperation
, defining skill sets so that we promised a job
out of discussion if that is recently. But I
just felt I want you for so building infrastructure,
project funding. I understand the frustrations and the opportunities
of working in this way. The frustrations are clear
and obvious. I've been working on short to slightly
longer projects for the last five years naturally you need
a bit of ability to be optimistic and two Great
teeth and not going too much. And there's gentle
irony. There isn't that were working in the fields
, we were talking about okay stuff for centuries and
sometimes I might events and things and my contract running
out for months and the monkey and I don't know
what's going to happen to my job. So this
is one of the things many people in my position
. This is not a specific thing. This is
the thing that we have in the school. Yeah
. You need to think about how you make it
so in the skills. But you know, something
good things. I mean I'm looking for a silver
lining. I'm an optimistic person and I think that
having to apply for projects and every couple of years
that's really stressful. Of course it is. But
it's also everything because of course is you and the
relevant parts of your institution to engage with the landscape
as it is mine. You can't you can't afford
two your ideas of footage of preservation is oh sure
should go back. We've got to engage with the
course of a changing landscape and I think with emerging
work to identify and adopt, emerging for our two
systems. This is yes. Yes. It's almost
it's because I'm not going to spend too much time
here. This is um some basic clients. We
better think the things that Dyson with me, I've
put on on our english to support extended vacation training
for digital characters and libraries, archives and museums.
It was funded by the presidential programme, Souls on
a piece of project work structure and the framework is
our new political for vocational training, digital creation of
the culture. I think that part of the value
of this kind of work is working for me in
the network so are never members are on this life
. So we have two layers of the this is
the initial court network. And you can see here
that not only do we have different types of institution
which was very important because this framework George tom and
that different types of institutions that have a different relationship
to this idea. Information we touched on this yesterday
that for example National Library is going to have a
different relationship to the idea of a nation, for
example specific instruction section. University for and so we
have those different relationship edit here. But we also
have not sure countries legislative frameworks but also a good
thing we thought of doing because I came to know
in the kind of it was anything that we can
do that doesn't cost money then it is not going
to take over my job. And that will unidentified
not only the quality and size information comes into something
. The voluntary network is important. This launcher network
, we basically inviting people to come along and sign
up to what we're doing And they were able to
do that. Pretty simple. You got 44 organizations
, 157 individuals from 33 countries. So against mostly
North America and Europe and release to say that we
did get a little bit beyond that, even though
we didn't necessarily target service. So we have latin
american countries represented for china and we have Australasia and
Mr here, there are areas that we didn't know
himself specific. So I think like this and the
network, we're able to feed into the view of
the deliverables and also to Apple's dissembling and port translation
. And so select deliverables of the project will be
available in five languages. Nazism. I suspect you're
going to resume this picture more than once And this
is a great one and sounds great. I'm using
this pen for two reasons. One to explain that
to you staff groups who worked with digital. It's
a profession what is but also to as an example
of international partnership working in some of the benefits.
So, if this privilege to align our goals and
working methods to create something that means that we can
benefit, has knowledge of faith and working context practices
, practices and legislative frameworks, and also built on
work previously undertaken by partners in these various contexts.
So it's not just what my information's can bring,
but it's what we've previously done. The big models
have come out these different context was Absolutely, So
this is an example of that. So this is
, if you don't know, it really is From
the training to 17 years. That's right. Alison
, that's part of the work out. Yes.
And our original research included extensive survey work in english
, german italian and this minute and countries that these
languages are widely different stages of maturity and digital preservation
. So, this is obviously a good thing to
end richness and detailed the work. Um and also
there's an interesting relationship which I won't go into too
much, but to do with working in english.
So, english is a lot of, much of
many businesses and it was the language of this project
. We thought it was very important to give the
explicit message. We want detailed information from you in
your first language and we want you to go to
give that back to us. But also it gives
the implicit message, we're trying to establish competences and
skills in the workplace now, so, you know
, by speaking in your first language, we we
respect and we want to know more about how you
work. And I think that's a very important implicit
message to so to wrap up, I mean everything
, we should just take care of the issues by
the airline understandings smashed just to understand more about those
competences and profession, indigenous population and also it's something
new that is useful, but this is Michael,
that it is useful to as many difficult people in
as many different ways as possible with the resources that
we Yes, that's what I wanted to say.
Thanks. Yeah, very well. And she's from
the University of Uh huh. Okay. Uh huh
. Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to
be here. A pleasure to serve in this panel
and to talk about this. These two programs actually
, Depot and DSR that I'm very passionate about.
Some. Go to please do books. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Yes. Well there
you go. Okay, let's see what works technology
. Yes. Um these two programs, Depot and
India's are really what I like to call two sides
of the coin. One is really aimed at practitioners
, the people out there working in the field already
. And then we've got the indians are which is
really aimed at new graduates and placing these people that
are trained already in real working situations and really engaging
in work in in the workplace. And so I
think this is too, we're finding two different audiences
here and they are both These programs are really run
out of the Library of Congress. And so they're
coordinating both these programs. My interest in this is
it really comes down to this question about how do
you serve these small institutions? How do you get
training out to the small one person places, these
libraries and archives, historical societies. We see a
lot of this in Kentucky and this is it's been
kind of front and center with me in my work
with the Kentucky Digital Library. We manage that on
the University of Kentucky and and engage with small places
. And we do a lot of the work for
them. And you've got some great stuff. And
as I've gone around the state and talk to people
, you know, I'll say, well, what
are you doing? They tell me about scanning project
. What are you doing with those scans and those
images? We've got a facebook page. You know
, we've got looking in a little bit page.
How do so they've got great stuff. But how
are they really preserving it, preserving that? We're
working to a standard. And so that's something that
how do you go to the end of the road
? And what about those people who is looking out
those? And that's, that was one reason I
was engaged with this whole conversation. And so do
you vote? Really started with looking at this issue
and we can't really got going with conversations in the
community and the Library of Congress really helped engage with
those conversations and a little bit hats off to Nancy
McGovern in this work. She was very, she
was instrumental in developing the curriculum and with this needs
assessment that got the whole program going. It's a
really, um, you know, she could be
other time around the program. I served as an
instructor in that program. And have we've taken the
work, you know, her work and built upon
that, you know, in the intervening time and
really what the survey was done, it really highlighted
what's happening out there in institutions. People don't know
what they don't know. And it's one of those
situations where people think they're doing the right thing,
people think they're doing good work, they're scanning things
and they, you know, they think they're taking
care of it. You know, they equate access
and preservation. So many times, people get that
conflated and, you know, I think that because
they scan something that's preserving it and they don't really
think beyond that, but they don't know the difference
. And so this this survey really highlighted that there's
a lack of funding. This is a big concern
and then limited educational resources for people working in these
institutions. And many times it's a one person shot
. And how do they pick what they're gonna do
and how the practitioners, when they were asked what
they wanted, here's what they wanted, they wanted
in person workshops, hands on the kinds of things
, small workshops near home, they didn't want to
have to travel, you know, they get limited
budgets, living resources. So, um, you
know, if they can go for half of their
or a one day workshop there were, that's where
they thought that sweet spot would be, and you
can do a lot of training with people and help
them know what they don't know in that kind of
time, maybe multiple sessions. And so really the
challenge as this program began was, how do you
get that, Get that done? How do you
roll this out to a country the size of the
United States? How do you get to that end
of the road in 50 different states and beyond.
And so that's really, you know, that was
a conundrum. And then, so the curriculum was
designed as a train, the trainer kind of program
to roll this out. So this is the mission
, I'll read it. But really the idea is
to have a train the trainer program to build this
network of instructors that communicate with each other to share
resources, share the curriculum and get some kind of
consistency as they roll it out. Davis training sessions
and here's the pyramid that laura shows. And in
fact, laura was at the first defense session I
believe in at the Library of Congress when we um
had the first set of train the first seven trainers
. And so this depot curriculum is based on this
where you can get to the right level and train
at the level of who your audience is going to
be and that's really what this sense of these target
audiences. And so these are the principles of depo
um there have been 84 people trained so far.
We did workshops, the first one was in D
. C. With the first co board, then
we did one in indiana at the state library indiana
last summer we did one in Illinois with an organization
, statewide organization in Illinois and then also last summer
in Alaska. And so these people have gone on
to train at least 1500 different individuals Now. Is
this getting everybody? Certainly not. But is it
something that could be extended you know and replicated?
The curriculum has been updated every single time we look
at that and tweak it to make sure it's current
And it costs about$1,000 to$1,500 per training to
do what? Mhm. And but this does not
include the curriculum development. It doesn't include the training
tools, the ongoing support or compensating the instructors,
all of us who have been instructors as program of
volunteers. And subsequently sort of my institution pays me
to go do this work. And so is that
scalable? You know, I think that's one of
those sort of pressure points that we have to look
at as we move forward with this probe. And
so with the nds are I'll just talk briefly about
that because I'm not this isn't, I'm more involved
with the depo program to be perfectly honest, that
there's been Pope for this additional stories of residency for
uh these new grants coming out of the library school
there. They went through this train government D.
C. And then they're placed out. Residents in
various institutions. And so this is a program that's
going to be replicated in boston nancy again is shepherd
in that mitt. And there's one in new york
as well. And the intent is to expand this
and to create standardized practices across this group of people
when we talk about employers and knowing what employers want
. I think this is one of those things that
this program will help because that's going to be part
of the assessment program of this programme. And the
end is talking to the employers themselves. Um in
the first group of cohorts, I was one of
the instructors that program as well and as they talked
about their employers the employers didn't know what they want
. You know they were the students had met with
them and the projects were all over the map.
And someone who said well you'll figure out something.
It's like, well, you know, okay,
at the end of the year, they probably will
know more what they wanted the menu. It's kind
of like this. But I think there are some
opportunities for collaboration certainly with ditch curve in the work
with the lenses and that whole program and with all
these, I think there is some opportunities there for
wire sharing. And I think we really are looking
for support from the private. After Elsie. When
we were planning this session, we were going to
get materials and the government was shut down. So
could I get handouts from them or anything from the
people that I'll say no. Um, so yeah
, hopefully that healthy replicated kind of situation. But
it does call into question how are we going to
make sure these things are sustainable for organizations are sometimes
here and stuff. Um And so they're looking at
technology vendors and then national training associations as well.
My God, Mark, interesting. University in Canada
. Yes. Little bit of an overview of some
of the hottest videos have. All right. Mhm
. Yes, pretty thank you very much. Um
yeah, Kingston Queens University in the little town called
Kingston Ontario. It's about 150,000 people. It's between
the nation's capital in Ottawa and the big city of
Toronto. And we always like to say those are
suburbs. So, so I'm gonna take slightly different
approaches. I'm gonna pull back and I look at
things from the perspective of intersecting organizations and different kinds
of roles as we think about this topic of alignment
. So, I also wanted to thank walter Stewart
who is the executive director of research into Canada and
Pandey Hartson, who's the chair of our steering group
for some of the content of these slides and I
hope you haven't seen before. Okay, so first
of all that the Canadian context, we have challenges
and we have strengths. Uh you may know that
Canada's uh federation of 10 provinces and three territories and
were highly decentralized both in our country and in all
of our institutions is actually many of you are as
well. So collaborations are the way that we get
things done, things happen from the bottom up.
Things like the Canadian Research knowledge Network that you may
have heard of. It was our huge effort in
digital licensing that has been very successful. One of
the complications is that research is funded federally by our
granting agencies, but our funding for higher education is
provincial. So doing things collaboratively can have its challenges
because of that funding model. And of course,
like many of you, I think our government is
not looking for new ways to spend money, Certainly
not on research, education, libraries or archives.
Um military and jails seem to be okay. Um
, and we have this situation of an uneven research
infrastructure. So we've had for many years very strong
high speed network called Canary. And we've had a
reasonably strong high performance computing environment run by compute Canada
. But we have not had a strong data management
environment. So that's the digital preservation perspective that I
bring to. This is going to be all about
research data. So around the time of the first
candidate conference, we had a Canadian research data summit
that happened the arts and really should take a lot
of credit for. She pulled together on this group
from the National Research Council. But in in doing
this, she really pulled together people from multiple organizations
from across all sectors. So that's something I think
we talked a little bit about the first day of
the importance of involving a variety of different people.
So we had 100 and 50 different participants from all
these different agencies. And the main thing was just
to get people together and to arrive at a vision
. We should look up on the website there.
Um So I won't read the vision that loud but
I didn't want to just note a few things about
it that it really is about policy. So the
idea of open data, citizen science, evidence based
policy making. So it's at high level. And
then at the end we talk about strategically managing preserved
and reuse of data. Let's lose the keel.
That's that. So the R. D. C
. Is one of those enabling bodies. It's a
national coordination body of stakeholders crossing multiple sectors. The
steering group has researchers on it has um the national
funding research agencies, government intense government departments that are
very um research data intensive like energy. Um the
organizations I mentioned mentioned already that are providing networks and
the computing infrastructure and then various levels of universities including
myself. And there is um the representative of the
Canadian Association of Research Libraries. We had somebody from
our Research ethics office, the C. I.
O. S. And we do have people in
industry who are providing data services. So this is
about looking at Canadian priorities but it's very much in
the context of the international realm. So um the
CDC actually really been functioning since early 2013 and we
have divided into several working groups that are getting at
these different areas of research day and management. I'm
sharing the education and training group and really all of
the groups are looking internationally for best practices as we're
moving forward to things. So the education and training
working group, which Joy is a member of um
, it started out just thinking about data and what
we meant by it and decided that we were defined
very broadly. So we're thinking of text and the
humanities research as well as Big Science. And we
looked at it from a slightly different perspective from the
pyramid. We looked at it in terms of research
creators, research stewards and users. So the creators
being the researchers themselves stewards being people like the libraries
or the research offices and then um the users are
also often creators and without knowing it. I think
we were addressing several aspects of the first conference um
really, essentially what we've been doing is looking at
what's happening happening internationally. And one of the reasons
I thought it was a good idea for me to
come last is that really were drawing on the kinds
of things that we're seeing from these other organizations and
we're looking at how we can improve cooperation to find
the skill sets in Canada. And really we're trying
to address that supply and demand for qualified trainers.
So we've been looking at this multitude of programs,
it's not as if there's nothing drawn, you know
, although there's a lot of there, so all
the kinds of programs we've heard about here, workshops
, courses, whether they're in person or online.
We're looking at what's happening with the eye schools,
there's lots of good things happening in the Canadian schools
and we we have disciplines focused researchers on our committee
and we've talked about this difference between and a broad
based approach and additional focused approach. And I think
actually joined this helpful comments therefore us about how things
are reusable in different disciplines. So we also have
been looking at what's happening in research libraries. And
another hand I wear is as vice president of the
Painting Association of Research Libraries. We've been trying to
do a little bit of work around this whole area
of research data management and we know that in all
of our institutions we have workshops on data management plans
. For example, we thought it would be worthwhile
to create a course and we, many people in
Canada have done the L. D. L.
F. E. Science Institute and so we had
people from that. We made chuck Humphrey, I'm
sure who's done a lot of work in this area
. He was one of the family members on that
group. So he and others designed this course for
the pagan context and we looked at just pulling things
from the international context, but there's differences in every
country. So it's one of the things I think
we need to think about when we're talking about alignment
. We had our our funding models and our collaborations
to think about out of that. Of course we
have a Canadian community of practice for research, data
management and libraries that's just getting boy. And uh
next week or the week after caramel is facilitating a
meeting to talk about building a network of collaboration around
research data management. So we titled our proposal on
this facilitation, coordination, cooperation. And I was
thinking in cliffs initial talks, he talked about the
conversations that we've been having and and that the challenges
moving from conversations to uh interdependence. But I think
we have some interdependence already in Canada and what we're
looking at is can we broaden that interdependence? Okay
, so the thing that's interesting to me about this
is we're talking about national alignment, but we also
need to think in terms of regions and other set
the sectors within those regions even as well. So
this is just a graphic of a number of different
projects that have been underway for a couple of years
. And the one I know best is scholars portal
. Many of you have probably heard about this.
It's a started out as our effort to create a
digital archive of the content that were subscribing to And
it's not a dark archive. It's something that we're
using all the time and has 14 million journal titles
in it now. And it was certified last year
as a trusted digital trustworthy digital repository by the Century
Research by Grace. We're looking at now at development
cloud storage network that we think is actually gonna be
less possibly to us than um using other commercial services
. So that's happening in Ontario. And then we
have really interesting things happening in other parts of the
country. So uh I mentioned chucker leader and his
colleague Jeff carter is here. They've been very involved
with the Media Polar Data Network along with some of
my colleagues and Scholars Portal. And that's, you
know, that's a discipline based research data repository that's
been highly successful. Started with federal funding. We
were all very inspired by the national conference, the
Memory of the World in the Digital age. I
think that got people thinking about other collaborations and in
the West we're seeing um well they've been building locked
in several locks. Networks, private locks, networks
for a little while and they're looking at how to
use Archive manager now. So as the University Library
and I go from that, you know, the
national context, to my regional context of my role
in the Ontario projects, to what's happening in my
institution. And when I was thinking about all of
these educational initiatives, it struck me that the educational
world that I normally live in this world of higher
education thinks a lot about standards, and I think
about um using that word blue skies post, I
think about the bologna court in europe and how that
influenced what we're doing in Ontario around quality assurance and
and then what that's meant for our institution where we
now have learning outcomes that we can work with.
And I've seen all of these different things happening that
seemed to me to intercept in some way with the
conversations that we should be having around digital preservation.
So we're concentrating on our research inquiry, I think
we used to call information literacy learning outcomes and assessment
in this very broad higher education environment. We were
also thinking about open access, open education resources,
digital scholarship with various forms, lots of work that
digital humanities and open data and research data. So
when I think about training people in digital preservation,
I'm thinking there's an intersection with all these other good
things that have been happening and things that we could
probably leverage. There's such a stronger buying around the
open access movement. Now. I think there's things
we can build on their. So I've been leaving
in terms of my world, is that sort of
the Russian dolls of things fitting together like this.
But then I realized it doesn't quite work. And
I thought the intersections that I see are these,
um, the idea of the creator and the steward
and the user at the center and these pedals of
the different kinds of roles that um, and supports
that they may interact with. So they have their
discipline groups, they may have repositories with them and
be thinking about digital preservation from that perspective and an
institutional regional on national and international. And I think
the challenge that we are given for this panel is
to think having consistency and capacity building promote digital curation
, excellence. And I come to this with a
22 ways of thinking about it. I think collaboration
is fantastic and um, when I think of alignment
, I think of uh sharing best practices, but
the word alignment to me also can sound sort of
lock step and I don't think that is going to
work in the education environment. I think the sort
of letting 1000 flowers bloom to some extent is probably
positive thing. So the latest in Canada is we
have this capitalizing them big data paper that just came
out from our funding councils and they're thinking about that
too. We're thinking about all those different rules and
the different groups that we have involved in various things
and they're saying we have some funding, but we'd
like you to be coordinated, so get together and
work this out and this is a water slide,
just to sort of reassurance that we're thinking about this
nationally, but we really are trying to do everything
we're doing is in tandem with international efforts and learning
from my good colleagues here. And I just want
to finish off with this because I stopped at the
british Library on the way here and I had a
good laugh at myself because I was very excited.
I saw this sign that said the british Library Center
for conversation, I thought, wow, isn't that
cool? They have a center for conversation. And
then you know, it took me three sides before
I realized it was the light of the Center for
Conservation. So I thought it was apt coming to
this. But really we are having conversations of a
conservation and preservation. So I'll leave it that.
Thanks. Yeah. So birds some really good examples
of what the last few years. Mhm. Okay
. A consummate examples of alignments at a small scale
hands we have that's our motto. What computers you
have to live. Right. I think we'll do
. We had originally thought practices, right? Yes
. Seriously? Um So we'll come back to this
question. We have time. Additional examples of Yes
, but we'll skip ahead just a second. I
think this is really public. Yeah. What happened
? But there are still hurdles that we have.
Uh huh. So I guess yeah. Give it
a sperm. Yeah. Collection I think. Excuse
me. Yeah, exact however we want to proceed
. What? Mhm. Ah. Time. Yeah
. Wait and see. So so obviously this is
an embarrassment of riches. There's lots of things I
wanted to just kind of thinking a couple of things
that I can't complain. And I think a lot
of international working I touched on this earlier international you
realize in english and I just don't think that's healthy
to be honest. I think we found discovered that
many practitioners and middle managers particularly of non anglophone nations
quite reasonably worked in their own language. I mean
of course they're going to so to make sense,
particularly educational audiences. I think it's obviously useful to
work in the language of the nation and equally non
angle from countries may and will have the traditional preservation
experience and knowledge to share. Which way then you're
missing out on before not let themselves go there.
We're going to wait. It's not just the ability
to interact motivation, engage with people, give us
something maybe I understood bleeding heart liberal and I just
think this is important to me, to me this
matter is this is very important. And working on
projects from planets onwards has just reinforced this group and
you know, there's the usual credit system we're trying
to build infrastructure. Okay, me too. I
think work in joint or educational experience is of value
to start thinking citizens was careers and stuff. I
think the cost of translation. Mhm lot of particularly
getting sources, especially in Germany first. Mhm Yes
, I think one of the I touched jackpot is
my presentation as well, its funding and you know
, many, many things that we do. The
big problem that we have carrying forward is funding.
And I think the depo model is a very strong
one and we're reaching a lot of people, but
it's really hit and miss. It's oh, we've
gone and done these workshops in places that have the
ability to host us as a workshop and to do
it. So we, we did the one in
D. C. And brought people to D.
C. That we did one in India, we
all trust and went to the State library in India
that we did one in Illinois, those two states
are right next to each other. So we've got
a good cohort right in the middle of the country
, midwest and then we have the opportunity to do
it in Alaska. That was kind of far.
Um now George milburn at the Library of Congress who
coordinates a lot of this. He just got back
from Hawaii Plan one in Hawaii. You know,
mike, we go to Hawaii, you know,
but I think it really calls to how are we
going to roll this out into, you know,
sort of even it up around the country and uh
huh And a lot of it comes down to funding
and then actually funding it to make it sustained.
I think those that's a big challenge and something that
people give a lot of hot jail without come on
answers. Yeah. So I think my research follows
up on that in terms of funding to me,
um couple of big challenges is one is still that
there's little sense of urgency or importance. I think
amongst our decision makers in terms of what priority is
for our findings. So there's things we can do
there. And I'd like to comment this morning about
not necessarily talking about digital preservation, but just packaging
it as the thing that we do is part of
our responsibility in providing access to research, Health of
research. So I think there's things we can do
to as well as building on that broader context,
because we do see a lot of update now on
open access, the whole idea of scholar communications changing
. So if we can build on that good work
that relates to a second aspect of funding for me
is that it's not just about building capacity, it's
about shifting capacity as well. So within our own
organizations, we're seeing that need to just shift resources
into this area which can be challenging. But it's
worth thinking of how we do that and what most
important roles are and that's rare. Getting some dream
thoughts. All right. Yeah, yeah. Funding
is an incredibly important I think most of the training
that we've seen so far short result, we do
has a very good trainers. All right, not
training with them. So I think fighting this into
the initiative have to think about And making sure we
get capacity in more than one place factors because yeah
, research what is it? Okay, carrying degree
. And I think this notion of having a national
policy very prescriptive, but It is the next one
. So everybody knows it doesn't do something sure.
Where particular problems with us Did anybody get the and
the audience want to communicate any burning issues that you
are so abused? This is jeremy york from hockey
trust. I have just a couple of questions.
One was on the, on the issue of going
to Alaska and all kinds of stuff like that.
If if you thought about online courses for that,
that is appropriate at all for this type of thing
. I know that people requested in person. And
the other question was about, I'd be curious to
notice what's happening with uh students in your sphere of
influence students that are writing papers or doing anything that
kind of, you know, it's sort of a
digital literacy issue, broadly not just digital preservation,
but what kinds of things are going on with people
who are creating the data, creating things and training
in those areas? I can talk to the Alaska
issue, it was uh it's a different experience,
but I tell you, this is a train,
the trainers program. So we went out, there
were three instructors Plus two words, we went to
Alaska and train these folks. They're then going out
and train people and the training that we found from
the people that have been trained in our workshops.
It's like, um there have been doing webinars and
um using that curriculum and rolling that out into online
training. So they're doing that, could it be
online? Yeah, I think it could be.
I mean I think there's a possibility for that now
, nancy's got a curriculum that is online, a
digital preservation management. Is that is that what it's
called? Um that's really effective and in fact we
encourage people that are going to come to the depot
training to look at that online. It's an incredibly
valuable resource. Many of them never heard it,
you know, and you know, again you don't
know what, you don't know. And the people
that we were training in Alaska, they were completely
new to this. There were a large group of
Inuit native alaskans and they have oral history, really
rich oral history collections and they wanted some just some
strategies and then they got a full training on what
to do. And so now they're going out and
training in community centers and to people that aren't librarians
that are part of this. And so I think
that does a success. I think. Um,
I think we have to look at many a wide
range of solutions. It's a spectrum of solutions.
I think it's going to hit different people at different
places where they are the gcc, you've been doing
a similar program and training for interactivity. So we
can what the research officer probably be dealing with researchers
have stage and also working with researchers, postgraduates.
Uh huh. I think it is stages joining up
all these different states. The chinese story ship have
gaps. That's one of your lot easier to do
. We have a big court of reliable training materials
to draw from. As we heard, you can
take a lot of the existing things, Roll advantage
courses and train others again, this is all coming
from short term funding projects mostly. And I think
what we, as a community might need to do
step back into the craft issue of money is to
start to show how we're affecting cost. So you
translate for people, you know, how much that
take a banana tree, right? I think more
of these kind of benchmarks and and agencies that begin
and we can do that a little bit better community
as you come up a little bit more. Yes
, can so so I can examine the question about
the undergraduate and the paper. Um I think there
are great opportunities there around digital literacy programs. And
thinking, as I said in one of my slides
about the learning outcomes that we're defining and we have
people who traditionally were teaching about information access and now
I think they're starting to teach about the basics of
this kind of thing about how is data produced,
how does it need to be preserved? So I
think there's an opportunity there for us to build those
. I see it happening in some undergraduate curriculum and
just pick up on the student question as well.
I mean, ideally Ella's skills are focused on producing
employable budgets, you know, that's that's what we
expect from the and so I think that it's useful
visit to have a regularly refreshed up to the idea
of what the professional skills for entrance into these professions
, you know, currently are with an awareness of
that is changing all the time. So, for
example, with the difficult work where we didn't make
a curriculum, we didn't make a curriculum within the
framework which attempted to quantify identifying in some way,
order the skills and competences that we understand from the
professions to develop right now. But I'm under no
illusions that that is a kind of fixed product director
. This is very much something that I want other
people to pick up. I want to refine,
I want them to challenge it or work with it
or give us use cases from it as well.
And I'm aware that that that she took that relevant
should change over time and hopefully that is one of
the tools that can help allows those to keep making
their graduate programs relevant to professional factors. Yeah,
we're we're getting breakfast. It's sort of all We
started a little bit later. I'll just keep it
for five really. We'll skip over the third questions
, but don't sleep better or coffee. And this
again is thinking, we've heard a few times over
the course of the last two days, we do
tend to be targeted people. So who else should
? Yeah. Yeah. Mhm Right. This way
, the actual tribe session. Yeah. So one
thing I thought we just have very, very for
each one of the Say one thing to take forward
really more than we are, what would be most
useful. I think realistically a lot of us are
going to have to think of creative ways to to
extend what we do with our extra funds. It's
sad, but it's true. So in this curve
and I mentioned this in my insurance, uh,
you know, we tried to think, okay,
how can we extend? Both the United States are
capturing to feed into the work, but also how
can we extend the potential impact of the work?
So we did a couple of quick things which might
be slow and one was that we had to function
network, which might explain. And the second was
that we've made contact with other initiatives in different nations
, in different geographical areas who were doing comparable activities
. So, for example, we had a quick
discussion with Congress and we did a reciprocal label with
their trade encounter and archery encounter. The idea being
that it's quick, it's easy. It doesn't take
over some of this job, but it can open
up your work to a whole new audience. So
maybe that's something else. And I wanted to say
very quickly. I know I think I've been doing
with Laura Harrington was working on just managing research program
over the last couple years and we find that working
just using social media, I know this is really
obvious, but it made a huge impact in our
market. And we agreed to hashtag and use the
hashtag everything in agreement. And we find the whole
excuse me met up stream of conversation and knowledge flowing
across the program. And so it became more than
just a group of projects. It became a program
became a community where we share knowledge and we're able
to exchange findings and work together. We've got more
done as a problem and just doing that. But
I'm sure that's something you've already thought of. But
I just wanted to give you an example somewhere where
it's worked so tragically more relapses. Yeah. I
think if we could be more intentional about our partnerships
and collaborations, you know that's easier said than done
. It's something that we often say and then when
we get back in the midst of all our work
is something that does this is by the way is
that. And I know that ditch curb and depot
have done some things together and I think shared curricular
materials and using the lenses more as we look at
the depot work and you just kind of more intentional
collaboration I think would be productive if we can pull
it off. He doesn't. Yeah. In focus
collaboration. So focused areas you shouldn't right work.
So I think my continues on a little bit from
that and answer your other question about who else should
be. So I was thinking about collaborations that should
broaden and depending on who you are you might be
a researcher already but the kinds of stakeholders that we
should be having conversations with around this or researchers,
research administrators, libraries I. T. Folks government
bodies. So I think just broadening the the conversation
and alignment in that way. I've definitely been meaning
to get some more people as many come on something
like that. Yeah. Right get the results.
Yeah. Anyway I won't keep you too much longer
coffee. I think if you do have some more
questions and then it's like there's two action tracks that
will be following a copy. Break. Anything for
, right. Feel free to you need rich or
powerful. Watch your track. Um, So before
we can I ask you, first of all,
to thank this paper?