to introduce our closing speaker, Adam Farquhar.
Adam is the head of digital scholarship at the
British Library and has done a remarkable series of projects
investigating various aspects of digital librarianship and various specific issues.
I have always, I was just mentioning to him
, I always appreciated his observations, his reports from
these initiatives at meetings that I'v attended when he spoke
at IDCC and iPres and other
events. And we are particularly looking forward to his
synthesis of themes from the conference. Uh So let
me introduce at Well, all right sir. Thanks
Mark. Well I noticed. Okay, thanks Martin
. Thanks. Other suggestion joining me here. I
wasn't at the first, yeah. So why don't
we know it by reputation and by the lovely volume
that was produced from and there's been a really interesting
meaning for me. So thanks for all of you
. Make it happen for grand committee and people for
facilitating sessions participating really, really actively the dates.
Thanks to many of you knew things. Cliff uh
set the bar ridiculously high right for his closing remarks
from last year and I think he raised up slightly
higher uh this time. So I have right,
very insightful of the marks of being, what can
I do, writes all, I'll say a couple
of things and hopefully I will bring some things together
. We've actually done a fair amount of thinking about
what we've done already today. One of the things
I thought I'd try to do is pick up some
of what I think are the big trends okay,
affecting cultural preservation and what the impact of those might
be for this. So we're flying back to Wall
Street. Yeah, I thought I also highlight a
couple of things about a couple things about my background
, which I think are relevant here. Some reflections
on the need and then I'll go and talk about
some of the trends and then some suggestions please about
what particular test. Mhm. My work over the
last decade er said was brought together three strands that
I picked up here during the course it started and
I was very lucky to be at the british library
with Shit was headed Collection Chairman. Together we established
, okay three was played a key role, I
think, shaking the way the library thinks about that
handles digital material form terms currently managed by the pentagon
was your your today. He's I was also uh
had a good fortune to be able to lead the
secret funded planets project to work on that. So
there's a lovely remark. I think I might have
been Don johnson from the KB. Made It are
closing conference there. He said something like I think
he said something like work on that project and gives
you confidence that we can collaborate together in your kitchen
scale and have a really and really read with that
sense. No, I believe swallowing in collaboration collaboration
across national boundaries and also by the music including yes
, many little participation and this project all work together
in itself. Point really urgent escape budget coordinated by
Excuse me. Yeah. Towards the end of that
project. 10 of your position to found the multiple
crawfish. Yeah. And I think it's been really
instrumental, kind of high value technical and practitioner exchange
. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. To share literally
essential expertise. And it also addresses some of the
sustainability issues. Sweetie service problem. Project delivers something
that's great. But Do a bunch of extra work
to sustain the project. That alternative three software and
supported it inactive. That's one way to address the
challenges. Four actually share a little bit of a
late breaking news with respect. Yes. Mm.
Many of you will brought down the bill. Who
is the Ceo? Yeah. Okay. He's actually
from helped get the organization started making sustainable He's now
actually because stepping down as Ceo and pleased to be
able to announce me appointed at U. C zero
forgiving patents, foundation anything. Um, who is
from the last store moments of some of you will
know him. He's The last five years or 70's
managed their digital library. These are the one school
that can organize that includes everything from inception, true
deploying operational services as well as during the digital preservation
there as well. And mhm hi proves or the
skill set the initiative and excitement entities that so I
hope that all of you who are representing open planets
accommodation members warmly welcomed him when he starts his new
world in february and I hope that all the rescues
are in this community will given called prime time speech
and the fall. I can't stop with a new
organization work address of this additional preservation challenges on our
shared the second thing. Mm And so I had
the good fortune to work with bridge puller Stone Rich
Library. Established 80 cent program there. Yeah,
that included founding of data site again sort of internet
appreciate support position for some research better in particular way
by helping people find access and citing research data process
. Here is the executive director. Yeah. Data
sites in his fourth year and saying I think a
really exciting role. Global research infrastructure. Okay.
Uh huh. Research infrastructure Infrastructure. So important capacity
is one that's been coming discover as we need.
Yeah, smell reform. I guess the third thing
around mention my current role. So I'm headed digital
scholarship. What's happened to the big thing there is
on establishing, working on building new services that led
researchers and started chewing on ways, right? Yeah
. I think is the more I've been doing that
, the more it has changed my view about what
repositories are for the region is so I okay.
Say within like a couple in there is also a
digit research and digital curation to which is addressing along
the sort of digital curation sources. No. Yes
. Yeah. So the media, Alright. So
phrase yesterday morning, intellectual honesty. Great phrase,
good name. I'm going to try to operating sort
of in that in that. So honestly the human
was instructed. Yeah. Let's try to identify some
uncomfortable issues and challenges. But for me, there's
usually signal opportunities and next steps, right? It's
a long time to throw the talent because there's a
Yeah. Well, first reason trying to follow what
I encourage us all to follow the V I P
C example. Let's be nice to each other,
We're in this together and we're all probably gonna be
here in two years, three years, 5,
10 years. So let's be friends. Never thinking
about the attendees here today. That's really interesting,
expect despite so interesting mysticism brief those here. I
don't know if it's true, but I think this
is like the biggest meeting people from the Southern United
States and I'm in It seems like you're living in
texas. Okay. A pretty good representation from the
UK. It's actually for a bit like from europe
. Mm mhm. There's some folks from spain.
Fantastic. I don't know how many virtual brands,
so from Germany. Fantastic. Not too many from
italy. Switzerland Estonia little bit forget Finland a few
. Fantastic. A couple of days. But we're
, the coverage could be removed from europe and I
think that's, we have networks and we use them
and that's what brings people, but global is a
big goal and even international rich ways is a eagles
there. Human follicle Yeah, important. There is
also pretty good representation, not just from the library
community, from service providers and vendors to really highlight
that. I think that's significant. I think it's
really important. Um but I'm not sure that they
felt as welcome as I would have liked to have
felt welcomed with open arms into a family and I
think there's been some complexities green maybe that's all there's
some really interesting discussions and exchanges that are forced,
all the different suspense here. Forget about the structure
. So I actually quite like the structure. So
this mix of action sections, sessions with some reading
presentation for it. I think that's what river as
well. Mhm. I think it stopped a lot
hurts on a small set of things that raised important
in the first mediums like region and some of them
were I think perspective projects with specific funding just you
can see somehow sometimes that tweet a little bit perhaps
in the discussion to support a project that doesn't mean
that wasn't really useful and interesting. It's pulling organization
goals that were established two years ago. Okay.
I also thought maybe there was a bit of a
gap or mismatch from this side. I almost part
of the program committee, the original establishment name there
. So I love the name of line national approaches
but that can be quite a number of different things
and I felt like there wasn't quite consensus on what
it means and what it would mean to kind film
the mission implicitly name. Yeah. Certainly sometimes it
felt like we want to speak with a single clear
global voices memorable and a strong influence. Oh,
a force of variety of nations. That's really,
that's a hard thing to do. I'll be really
want, I'm not sure that I'm necessarily the right
person to have that discussion. I think I might
share that attribute with a bunch of us in the
audience here. Great proves to have discussions with not
necessarily the right books to influence legislation. That's a
really hard thing to do is yesterday or today,
where the lobbyists have, we engaged people to effectively
representing the interests of the financial stage. I think
it's easy to underestimate the amount of work that that
takes. It's really hard. So this is why
my little test how many of us happen in our
phones, the address and phone number group, their
national legislation or senior government officials that you call up
and will return involved. I knew I knew it
. So yeah so there are a couple a couple
of the rooms who have that. But you like
the blend to be different on in order to really
publish it that right. Right. Other times it
sounded to me like we were addressing real smaller scale
collaboration that crosses national boundaries and trying to sweep that
. That's super important. I think this is a
pretty good mix of people to accomplish a lot of
that. What you would do you good the melody
of the next. And I think the improved use
of training resources and shared maintenance. The coolest and
things are really good examples where a bit of collaboration
across boundaries organization, people effective bit of work and
collaboration. Thank you. Sure. Yes. That's
probably where the sweet spot is for this. This
uh we wanted to shift that next year or next
time when they do for me get christian polar orbits
buddy using. Mhm. Get a lot of parties
present. Okay. Uh huh. Clinton mentioned the
six accidents. They were highlighted in the original book
. Just Think about this one is a legal one
I think. Right, address that. I actually
think that's super, super important. Right? Yeah
. I don't have a really good command of what
. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Will stay within
the US around things like the rights to we have
folks humans but really important going to be known.
I think actually you could construct for the urgent feeling
argument we don't know UK entertain years what and sort
of wild it's sort of finally there's an organizational access
. I think we could make quite a contribution there
. I don't think there was a lot of discussion
about it that I've heard and this we can dig
in the race and organizations or what the workflows,
how you can switch out services across organizations. And
I think there's a lot of expertise. You might
hold on to this service standards, sheriff. It's
called the underground standards, think they're important, but
we have to be careful reforms get all right.
I think as a community, you've gotten a little
bit better about allowing the standards to follow practice.
Right, understand. And this. I think that's
not. Thank you. See, I thought they
were relatively few discussions about cool under killings. This
meeting surprised me a little bit and the ones that
were there, I think we're good ones. They
absorb that. Not neutrals, gaps and offering,
But let's bring together the list of them. Yeah
. Do economic aspects. We have a discussion about
them being focused on a particular aspect, the right
focus on the cost and we did a little bit
better proposition focus. I have. I do.
So because I love the passport has been done.
I use sometimes wonderful creativity, too much energy into
detail. Mhm. When I look at the kind
of analysis my organization does put together in business thumbs
of the project. Yeah. The cost they understood
important, but it's quite, you know, back
of the envelope sort of self right. It's hard
to project control too well. And so the estimated
Yes, they're important. But really in details,
bottle necks are interesting. So where's the money going
? But these things happen. Not this all produce
your goal cost factor for me calls like, Yeah
, I looked I think I'll come back later.
But later that day I? M c. Davis
wasn't following any morning. So David came up with
a challenge. It was kind of David. Rosen
paul's slimming challenge. Take 50 off Our calls and
I felt that was actually a really good one I
think we can make it. Um So I'll come
back. Yeah mm. Than education. Really good
discussion about education and training. All those are some
of those productive discussions I've heard here really like some
of the proposals come forward. Some of the ideas
about how to make training material reusable and making sure
that people would use them and kind of ideas for
new resources that will even understanding of what it takes
. Really short presentation. Sure there was a uh
huh. But there's quite a bit of talk around
alignment related to kind of reducing variation. Didn't see
. Yeah. Is not completely clear to what the
scale of the perceived yes. Okay, correction,
impairment of variety. I think there are a lot
of secret eaters in digital preservation. Lot of voices
. There are a lot of interests and their many
keys and the side effect of that's what I expect
to see sometimes at a distance in my group like
the same problem being addressed by different organizations with different
perspectives in very different ways and that may not be
such a bad thing. I think that would be
like we were meetings. Right? So every door
newspaper but you called. That's okay. Wait,
I appreciate that because I get to understand what what
the voice is and whether when this guy recommends something
that's good when this guy hates it. I love
it. So I get to do that. And
if there was just one movie review remember we don't
like it would be valid. We come and he
would always be good can be very useful. And
that sometimes happens when you combine registries and you lose
the voice. Yeah. Something you can't trust it
is they use the Voice. Mm You know,
last the word interdependence has come up quite a lot
of the last couple of days. And Cliff introduced
it. This opening here and there. I think
what he introduced it, he introduced it as a
risk sometimes coming off as of the event. That
would be great. Helpings independent. So independence can
be good. Interdependence can be good. But it
has to be careful advantage. It's a risk.
Mexico. So those are the main things sort of
my reflections on how we operated, What we focused
on have been forced for days. Think a bit
about some of the trends. So for me the
biggest, most exciting trend is noncriminal positive regulations and
mandates for things True. So this is a big
deal for this community, both of those, those
of you. So for many of us, digital
content is going to be swamping us in a way
that I never had. Thanks. So you came
in deal April six This year. Long way to
the legal deposit regulations came into play. I can't
remember there's a midnight april six or morning april seven
. We pushed and pushed the button. Actually,
citizens fact, we haven't moved which party for appeal
deposit and we did have a red button and our
new ceo ruling actually pushed it may have triggered the
start of the crawling of the UK web domain.
I'm not sure. I'm not saying it a little
here, a little here. Uh So uh we
now complete our first brought UK web scale for millions
websites, millions of people. He's 40 star lights
of compressed data and all that stuff has been ingested
into our additional library system or our city as well
. And we feel that that's resilient and robust enough
to worry too much about it being there. Mhm
. Five years. Yes, we've so we've all
seen this mandy's for data archive. The dimensional plan
is good point at some point we're gonna start seeing
things come out of the kind of resourcing things coming
to organizations, universities, libraries from those, but
also when your time clocks go off And the plan
had been sold out for the 1st 10 years except
for the next so paul loan for this together those
things and others, there's a big transition to business
as usual. That's what's happening in british library,
that's what's happen all rooms. Mhm. And some
of the discussion around that has to quite a load
it. So uh I think many of our organizations
have, we've got an operational budget for him like
ninjas, storage preservation, accessibility issues, God,
digital preservation at the british library is part regional budget
. There's operational teams for digital library system usage,
for digitization, for access selection and so on.
Real capital investment for additional infrastructure. I suspect that
what if you do that? Well, yes,
we do projects. We try to get projects where
they're all right with what we need to take the
next step, developed a new technology, try something
new out. But they really support our operational business
. I think that's the mold that you have the
water moved to. You're going to, which you
think there's a from working in social. I say
we also do that stuff with external service providers.
Right. Big. So we build some stuff ourselves
. Yes, we do a lot course actually for
ingesting millions of objects. We do all the work
with private partnerships for instance, quite solvent. It's
our newspaper place. You couldn't afford to do either
of those things ourselves, can't afford burger ship and
I just want highlight that, right? So you
know, we would find much more challenging to execute
our mission without those relief, productive perversions we have
with organizations with mixing business models, some for profit
, so not for profit, no slot. Just
underline that comment. Next big trend. Weinstein is
the trend shift to born digital sarah. For many
of us to never the last year, most of
our stuff has given it's very on Samal tomorrow materials
resource. But now we're shifting things like positive with
archive media data software and so long to the million
lodgers in tens of terabytes are shipped greater scale.
So there's one of the posters on their loving poster
sizes on At the top levels 30 terabytes. So
We've got some some, not all the same,
we got 300. Our lights are soon or disorder
3 50 terabytes is kind of projected size. Each
web call under me to europe, bringing in tens
of terabytes suit mark pleasure. And yeah, this
which is done. He said there's a show of
hands who has More than say 20 terabytes in there
. So it's quite a lot. That's Who has
more than 100. But if you were actually quite
about so few years ago, that was unimaginable.
Right, ridiculous undertone problem but now is actually white
collar. 300 500 head of money will be answer
each, each intensity. I also think we're seeing
a trend of new usage. So I'm hypothesizing we
need to do more bit like us and when you
need you something like the whole, if the reader
comes, the british library wants to find something,
they search the catalog. It'll just click on something
I say, oh, that's an online resource.
Fantastic. They can click on it. They downloaded
as a pdf borders. So one thing at a
time, just like it to look like it's a
little worse. Right? Because you have a small
screen have much warmly out of other disk. So
for me, he's had a digital scholarship while I'm
hearing more and more people and saying, well actually
what you got isn't a collection of books, but
you happen is a large data set analyzing the king's
. Right. So a couple of fund examples might
how many tens of thousands of hours of wildlife recordings
. Okay. So people would like to go through
all wildlife recordings and automatically identify the Jerusalem's construct derived
database of the bird songs and then to analyze and
announced something species how they occurred as an interaction,
how an interesting event and all those sorts of things
to do. Totally different usage pattern that it's already
passed. Another example in newspapers. So during the
19th century there was a kind of copy and paste
thing. Did you know who's been with us?
It's part of that might be published in London and
cut out of the newspaper and Ricky we show up
or maybe come together way. Maybe we started in
Canberra. You know, lots of different questions about
what was low information during the 19th century in the
Prince. So interesting problem. You can try to
do it by hand lifetimes or you can construct a
data set. Both text, look for overlaps and
text and find the use of paragraphs and articles and
construct the graph. Look at the directionality, Look
at changes over time, interesting kind of problems you
can solve them. You could never do by hand
. So that's those are, you know, and
there's dozens and dozens of things like this, right
, that people are coming to us now say,
I know you've got the it's a digital I want
to do something interesting with that. I didn't want
to read like, okay, so like that's a
new usage happens. That has an impact on all
the stuff we're running around depositories around archives and around
preservation. Yeah. So if we constructed and are
handed whose primary whose architectural that someone get stream of
things coming out one at a time, that doesn't
work for these monsters. We have to rethink the
architecture of our digital. Yes. Okay. We
haven't done it yet. I have some thoughts longer
discussion. Other folks have involved in drug research centuries
thinking about this as well. The same planet problem
. But we're going to find that our digital library
architecture and digital preservation system steel vary by using pretty
soon. Sorry. You also find the O.
A. I. S. You know, you
can kind of twist it so it fits this usage
pattern, but it's not really natural. It needs
a bit of a rethink and the lighter think of
this this sort of use. Mm hmm. Also
, we we can kind of assume that partly it's
none of the collection of people. Right? That's
kind of the assumption of bricks with this usage pattern
. Actually stick quite often is when you get to
keep everything okay to think about it again, a
little bit different. Our catalogue doing the wrong thing
, bits of our infrastructure, doing the wrong thing
to support these news. So, both the archive
system in fermenters, that storage system in fermenters and
the digital reservation service inventors have to think differently.
Just trade. Yes. Uh huh. Another family
trend really picked up a lot of this meeting is
reduced funding. Okay. What add some, reduce
funding. But is it really well, okay,
There's not a zero sum game here. It's not
like we all have to fight the same. You
know,€5 or dollars begins on their part.
Digital preservation projects. That's really the way it is
going to work I think. And we've got some
evidence here at this meeting. Additional preservations of all
in memory institution. Right. I felt it would
be It's really close 12 hurts. It's course commission
. Right? Absolutely. Buy into all of that
. But it's spreading importance and there's a growing range
of businesses, government agencies and individuals to whom it
becomes important. Might reflect on that every now and
then prove me because my mother died some years ago
and I have a she sort of left her email
, you know, maybe. And I wish I
had done a better job actually preserving the digital close
on both. I'm not sure some of them to
a laptop wind, but we don't really have that
as a personal horrified solution for that sort of thing
. That's becoming, you know, mhm It was
, yeah, can lead to the whole computer thing
. Right. My generation, all the way my
Children, you know, down to when they were
first right today is going to be even worse than
first able to touch something and see a screen.
And that will put a really interesting additional pressure on
the ability to deliver access meaningful Today's content in 30
, 50, 70 years. So big, big
, big I've been saying this for a long time
. I admit, but I think actually it really
is rolling. And you see so mm and in
that context we can probably think a bit more openly
about the wall of troops person roll vendors in the
reservation space. So here we got for profits to
sell out, not for profits. We've got a
bunch of these member multi probably remember certain organizations.
You see crime visual. So I don't think any
business models like a guarantee of success. It's not
like a network definitely win or for profit definitely wins
. Right. About delivery will be accidents of sorts
. But I think the there's going to be,
there's an opportunity for good, healthy competition that will
drive down costs and what they enable is to think
about solving our problems differently that you have. Yeah
, I think we should really well yourself concern.
Sorry. Right. And I think there's going to
be, you know, then see bigger players get
bolted over the coming years. That will scare us
a little bit. But I think again, that
will probably also help costs, help to increase the
range of services that I hope that we'll end up
with not just cheaper ones that better services, federal
pricing models and ones that fit our business is better
. Okay, that's right. American background coming perhaps
. I don't know whether will resonate with people in
the room today or not, but think we have
to expect that to happen. Okay. We don't
kind of welcome it. Yeah. The last trend
is shift to fortune thinking to the infrastructure on.
Yeah. That's going to require some serious thinking about
. That's right. Infrastructure is different. Think problems
probably talked about that. Yes, I was news
. So we'll see what I've seen consistent with what
is what he was saying. So the problem can
mean we're chatting about this during one of the great
infrastructure industry, right. Work for the heating.
You only notice it when it's broken and then you
give people a hard time. And libraries don't really
like union that they already have a lot of fears
, right? University libraries fear they're providing lots of
resources free of charge and invisibly interesting equality. Right
. Well, that sort of thing. They don't
want to disappear. People's lists of people's budgets.
But actually the flavor disorder preservation or climate really isn't
interested us have to figure out a way to sure
that infrastructure flavors get appropriate credit for it. But
if we think it's a cheek activity, basic infrastructure
activity bill yet sidelined by the people realize what it
is. Mhm. Personally. Okay. So Uh
huh. Getting towards the end here. So what's
next? So I think there are a lot of
areas where this community, Yeah. I think there's
some areas where maybe not so much and we're,
you know, we should sit on the sidelines and
here a little bit. So I think perhaps,
uh, a little area spike. Yeah, positive
. This may not be the one ready. Uh
, so we have to have a sense from where
we can effectively contribute. I love for a long
list of challenges from the, The report minutes of
40s seven. So I think it's a boundary 44
too long. Um, and we sort of saw
that in this meeting, we had sort of three
areas where we have kind of a deep discussion Stone
Mountain. Um, days. So a thought.
So chris mentioned the research data alliance type of show
of hands. How many people knew about the Research
Data Alliance before hearing about it. Today. You
guys are doing so good. How many of you
have attended a research legalized federally? So, so
that's, you know, by perry was heard about
it. But not everybody is going the natural world
to be. Especially, it's so I think there's
a kind of a couple of questions or what can
we learn from this? Two, wow, couple
of things that I imagined. So one is,
we can say, you know what, that's a
great book. We can just hang our right.
We would become an interest group expertise back would have
some minutes. Right? So that lots of meetings
, they're pretty well organized regularly scheduled. There's an
interesting problem foods there mostly from the sciences disadvantage taking
part interesting private folks. They're mostly from the scientists
. Science is slightly different agenda than period, not
, you know, overlapping. Right. But a
different, uh, half time, a serious think
about, you know, is that too much lol
. So I did does not produce the sense of
community by the medication becoming there's another thing I think
they have an interesting structure. I think it's quite
promising. I think it would be nice to this
five years from now. We can look back and
say, well that really worked out perfectly or after
they fixed up the stuff that didn't work the first
two years that worked really well. But there's a
nice things. They're kind of interesting notion spinning out
of working groups that fairly intensively, fairly high level
of commitment to solve the problems, extremely typically funding
because it's a problem. What was your interest to
? Especially so yeah, orientation there is that should
actually be a problem of importance to the world.
Not to their losses, losses, loss Sure,
just that solution notion of So that would be another
thing you could learn from fact activity is maybe a
think hard about the working notion. Find those,
you know, give people if your manager and the
freedom to engage some Yeah, dedicated focused work on
relative vying topics with a pretty short 36 months,
12 months, Right. Yeah. So that's a
pretty good moment there. I think we don't want
a value of progress from this community over a two
year period. But if we had said one year
would be about the same amount of progress. Sure
, probably. So. So that's that's about there
. I think that is a bit more. It
needs a bit of discuss. Mhm. I think
education and training, we can contribute along lot of
poker has gone. I'd say stay focused on that
so far. Only one thing. I think that
would be it. Right. The economic bitch.
Uh huh. Mentioned it before, So I think
that's pretty good. I think it's very important.
I think we might be overstating it a little,
but not necessarily. Yeah, Yeah. Bye.
Love David Sort of 50 of jump. Right.
So let's look at the old ass, Let's get
together saying one arm events in our six and having
identified the woman seemed to think seriously about blocking them
off. Right? Because I think 50% is w
efficiency is two. People don't have a pulse too
. He actually, we just talk to each other
. We'll find that. Yeah. Mind false.
Were doing caps a is a 10 viewers, but
your calls for doing is a tough line. Do
a lot of thinking about it, I think.
Mhm. From the british library perspective, I know
, my dear all neck, I know we're working
on it, but I know behind the discussion.
So education comics engaging broadly. So there are a
lot of groups and organizations urging presentation problems. So
first mentioned some of the recession around, Hey,
that umbrella organization has some that are wrestling with what
to do with their digital day to make sure that
bodies into the long term. So they probably conditional
preservation experts, but some of them are probably experience
chris long furs or material scientists that's actually not your
business and they probably don't even want to government business
necessarily. Some, it's like christmas. Yeah.
So let's see if we can bring something to them
and kind of effective organization. So that will take
some engagement between the digital preservation community or a not
quite sure what the hooker mechanism for that is,
The easy anybody can stimulate the creation of the world
under that umbrella, but somebody has to step up
and do certainly encourage somebody think upstairs also. So
there's quite a bit of, one of the alignment
aspects has to do with our message and talking to
your music. Now, I know what the nature
of communities is. When you get together, you're
always you're all amount of differences, right? I
do it this way, that way you call it
, did my calling or whatever. Right? So
that's great. That's how communities developed there. Is
it progress? But when you talk to external communities
, you always sounded silly, haven't they got to
be six sorted out the other side and actually the
answer is yes, they do. Yes. The
digital preservation community does. Right. Um, there's
a lot of consensus and decided that consensus area is
substantive and important and worth communicating. So an activity
that kind of crystallizes that was some part consensus messages
and bring them effectively to other communities and use them
also as a component engagement efforts or training activities would
be fantastic. So I could never do something could
hope to do crystallize everything that common, that common
understanding. That's hard work. Takes quite a lot
of conversations. It needs a group to do it
. You can do it by yourself, but truly
never. Yeah. Yes. My last comment.
Education, Economic, foreign Nation School. So I
think we've been drawing our boundaries a little bit.
Okay. And I think there's some good reasons for
that. If I roll back 5, 10 years
. Digital preservation. Big heart problem. Actually I'm
supposed to heart problem on this is kind of scary
problem. Right? We know we have responsibility,
don't have discharging how we need to manage it.
Develop some specializations. Repository one was kind of in
just one. There's a validation one, There's a
cognitive in preservation planning one. Commission structure and uh
huh. Those are pretty narrowly if you take two
or three steps back, people don't really understand why
there's boundaries there. They're kind of thinking, well
, I thought you guys would want would sort out
the students, adults long term, thank you.
And we will sometimes they will we don't really do
that. We can do this. And I think
that's that's not a bad thing, but that's enabled
us to make a certain kind of progress. But
I think now it's probably roughly east. Good time
to broaden our sense of what the activity is.
Maybe there's a core that we hold. Preservation.
There's some other things we call something else, but
people are interested in the um solution. They're not
interested in the so okay, there's another problem with
our selection as well. So if you think about
that, you know, the subject, compose the
workflow, selection and Jeff storage, preservation and access
were used. Preservation is the woman says, I
will need to value sometime in the future. All
right. That's a really bad just to be if
you want to sell the value of what you're doing
always quickly. True. We don't do that.
You can say, well, I can give you
access to this stuff now that you couldn't make any
. You saw otherwise. A value proposition writing,
broadening the package. Makes it clear what? Yeah
. Music encourage us chambers and take a step back
there. Yeah. How to be part of the
value Change slippers, liver something today. Right,
Sure. So thanks for That's why you see forever
. Sorry. Yes. So, we've got time
for a few questions or comments. Get anybody see
that strips bathroom in its room, but Okay.