WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.940 --> 00:00:05.339 A:middle L:90% Welcome to the History Makers Project. Could you please 2 00:00:05.339 --> 00:00:08.089 A:middle L:90% introduce yourself for us? Sure. I'm Robert Reiser 3 00:00:08.259 --> 00:00:10.699 A:middle L:90% , I'm Associate dean for research in the College of 4 00:00:10.699 --> 00:00:14.330 A:middle L:90% Education at Florida State University and I was a professor 5 00:00:14.330 --> 00:00:18.050 A:middle L:90% in the instruction systems program there For over 35 years 6 00:00:18.739 --> 00:00:20.410 A:middle L:90% . That's wonderful. Can you tell us a little 7 00:00:20.410 --> 00:00:23.129 A:middle L:90% bit about your career path? Where did you start 8 00:00:23.140 --> 00:00:27.370 A:middle L:90% ? Sure. I started my graduate training at Arizona 9 00:00:27.370 --> 00:00:32.920 A:middle L:90% State University and the instructional technology program there and immediately 10 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:36.920 A:middle L:90% upon completing that back in 1975, I think how 11 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:39.659 A:middle L:90% long ago it was? Um I got a position 12 00:00:39.659 --> 00:00:42.750 A:middle L:90% at Florida State and thought I'd be there three years 13 00:00:43.140 --> 00:00:46.979 A:middle L:90% And here it is, about 36 37 years later 14 00:00:46.979 --> 00:00:49.780 A:middle L:90% and I'm still there and I've changed some of my 15 00:00:49.780 --> 00:00:51.640 A:middle L:90% positions at Florida State, but I've remained at that 16 00:00:51.649 --> 00:00:55.560 A:middle L:90% university. So you were there for with some pretty 17 00:00:56.140 --> 00:00:59.439 A:middle L:90% big names in our Oh, sure to work with 18 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:03.030 A:middle L:90% walt dick bob, can you bob, morgan bob 19 00:01:03.030 --> 00:01:04.620 A:middle L:90% , Branson, and roger Kaufman. Those are some 20 00:01:04.620 --> 00:01:07.030 A:middle L:90% of the people who preceded me. And then of 21 00:01:07.030 --> 00:01:10.359 A:middle L:90% course over the years we had another great names like 22 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:12.370 A:middle L:90% more seat risk, what wager, john Keller. 23 00:01:12.370 --> 00:01:15.379 A:middle L:90% So it was really a pleasure to be working such 24 00:01:15.379 --> 00:01:18.849 A:middle L:90% big names in the field all these years now. 25 00:01:19.540 --> 00:01:22.950 A:middle L:90% Let's go back just a little to Arizona. Who 26 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:26.810 A:middle L:90% was your mentor there? Sure Howard Sullivan, he 27 00:01:26.810 --> 00:01:29.329 A:middle L:90% was my major professor there and he along with wilted 28 00:01:29.340 --> 00:01:32.650 A:middle L:90% with two major mentors to me throughout my career, 29 00:01:33.140 --> 00:01:34.260 A:middle L:90% Howard taught me how to be a good researcher, 30 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:40.260 A:middle L:90% had to write up research. Great right um helped 31 00:01:40.260 --> 00:01:42.930 A:middle L:90% hold my riding skills, how to be an effective 32 00:01:42.930 --> 00:01:45.890 A:middle L:90% instructional designer, learned a lot of my instructional science 33 00:01:45.890 --> 00:01:49.510 A:middle L:90% skills from Howard and still friendly with Howard to this 34 00:01:49.510 --> 00:01:51.540 A:middle L:90% day, we keep in touch regularly. Then once 35 00:01:51.540 --> 00:01:53.579 A:middle L:90% I got to florida state and joined the faculty Baltic 36 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:57.269 A:middle L:90% really became my mentor there with his design background and 37 00:01:57.269 --> 00:02:01.200 A:middle L:90% his straight arrow personality. Give me a task and 38 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:04.019 A:middle L:90% I'll do it, served as a really a good 39 00:02:04.019 --> 00:02:06.079 A:middle L:90% role model for me throughout my career and walt and 40 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:09.319 A:middle L:90% I work together friday books, articles, projects and 41 00:02:09.330 --> 00:02:10.840 A:middle L:90% he and I are still friends to the state. 42 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:14.250 A:middle L:90% In fact he and I presented here at this conference 43 00:02:14.740 --> 00:02:16.139 A:middle L:90% . That's exciting. Tell us a little bit about 44 00:02:16.139 --> 00:02:21.490 A:middle L:90% some of the situ had written uh Four books. 45 00:02:21.500 --> 00:02:23.639 A:middle L:90% The first book I wrote was selecting media for instruction 46 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:25.460 A:middle L:90% . That was back in the 80s when the media 47 00:02:25.539 --> 00:02:29.090 A:middle L:90% that we had was quite different in the media available 48 00:02:29.099 --> 00:02:32.009 A:middle L:90% today and bob daniel and I wrote that book together 49 00:02:32.009 --> 00:02:35.270 A:middle L:90% , bob and I were working on a project for 50 00:02:35.270 --> 00:02:39.860 A:middle L:90% the Army Research Institute helping design instruction that would enable 51 00:02:40.740 --> 00:02:45.699 A:middle L:90% army officers to design instruction and use the appropriate media 52 00:02:45.710 --> 00:02:47.360 A:middle L:90% design that instruction and the result of that project. 53 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:50.699 A:middle L:90% We came with the media selection. Then he and 54 00:02:50.699 --> 00:02:53.710 A:middle L:90% I wrote a book that time. That was the 55 00:02:53.710 --> 00:02:58.270 A:middle L:90% first book I wrote. Uh later on working with 56 00:02:58.270 --> 00:03:01.000 A:middle L:90% Wolf Dick, I realized that the systematic design of 57 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:05.520 A:middle L:90% instruction book he had written with Blue Carry, which 58 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:07.770 A:middle L:90% was an excellent book, was like most likely too 59 00:03:07.780 --> 00:03:09.969 A:middle L:90% detailed for teachers. And I always felt that teaching 60 00:03:09.979 --> 00:03:13.919 A:middle L:90% teachers how to use instructional design would be a very 61 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:15.659 A:middle L:90% valuable thing to do. So walt and I worked 62 00:03:15.659 --> 00:03:21.430 A:middle L:90% together on designing a very simplified version of that book 63 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:24.020 A:middle L:90% for teachers. I think the first edition that was 64 00:03:24.020 --> 00:03:29.490 A:middle L:90% called planning effective instruction. We were happy with the 65 00:03:29.500 --> 00:03:31.409 A:middle L:90% book, but it didn't get the use that we 66 00:03:31.409 --> 00:03:37.259 A:middle L:90% thought so several years later we completely redid the book 67 00:03:37.979 --> 00:03:40.639 A:middle L:90% still focusing on instruction sign for teachers. I think 68 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:45.199 A:middle L:90% it was then called instructional planning a guide for teachers 69 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:49.090 A:middle L:90% And that was the third book and then most recently 70 00:03:49.090 --> 00:03:51.759 A:middle L:90% and I've been doing this for now. Over 10 71 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:54.180 A:middle L:90% years. I have worked on transit issues and instructional 72 00:03:54.180 --> 00:03:58.280 A:middle L:90% design and technology with a former student of mine, 73 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:00.210 A:middle L:90% Jack Dempsey was the university of South Alabama that got 74 00:04:00.210 --> 00:04:03.689 A:middle L:90% started because when I was teaching at a florida state 75 00:04:03.689 --> 00:04:05.930 A:middle L:90% and Jack was a student in my classes. I 76 00:04:05.930 --> 00:04:11.069 A:middle L:90% use a lot of journal articles, recent journalism to 77 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.300 A:middle L:90% inform students about recent practices in our field. And 78 00:04:14.300 --> 00:04:15.569 A:middle L:90% about 10 years after Jack graduated from the Perm said 79 00:04:15.579 --> 00:04:18.610 A:middle L:90% bob instead of getting new resources every semester in finding 80 00:04:18.620 --> 00:04:20.639 A:middle L:90% journal articles, how about if we put together a 81 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.410 A:middle L:90% book on trends in our field And having been in 82 00:04:24.410 --> 00:04:25.560 A:middle L:90% the field so long? I knew a lot of 83 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:27.730 A:middle L:90% the big names in the field and was able to 84 00:04:27.730 --> 00:04:30.399 A:middle L:90% call on them to write chapters on the various areas 85 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:32.529 A:middle L:90% in which they had expertise. So in 2002, 86 00:04:32.540 --> 00:04:36.379 A:middle L:90% the first edition of that book came out, it 87 00:04:36.379 --> 00:04:39.779 A:middle L:90% proved to be pretty popular. We did a 2nd 88 00:04:39.779 --> 00:04:44.800 A:middle L:90% edition in 2007. And the third edition with 2012 89 00:04:44.819 --> 00:04:46.990 A:middle L:90% . Copyright just came out recently. In a matter 90 00:04:46.990 --> 00:04:49.209 A:middle L:90% of fact, just won the DND Outstanding Book Awards 91 00:04:49.209 --> 00:04:53.160 A:middle L:90% . I'm really proud of that book and I intend 92 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:55.860 A:middle L:90% to do 1/4 edition in the not too distant future 93 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:58.449 A:middle L:90% . Well, tell me what was the primary focus 94 00:04:58.459 --> 00:05:00.519 A:middle L:90% of your work uh in your research? Wow. 95 00:05:00.529 --> 00:05:03.300 A:middle L:90% Over the years? It changed in so many ways 96 00:05:03.310 --> 00:05:04.750 A:middle L:90% . Uh, you know, some people keep the 97 00:05:04.750 --> 00:05:09.759 A:middle L:90% same research agenda for many years and go into it 98 00:05:10.339 --> 00:05:12.980 A:middle L:90% depth. Maybe the entire career I've kind of jumped 99 00:05:12.980 --> 00:05:16.149 A:middle L:90% around. I started out When I was first the 100 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:18.670 A:middle L:90% doctor soon and then mostly the 1st 10 years of 101 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.750 A:middle L:90% my career, once I became a finger focusing on 102 00:05:21.750 --> 00:05:26.629 A:middle L:90% mastery learning how we can get the range instructional conditions 103 00:05:26.629 --> 00:05:29.889 A:middle L:90% that most of our students master the skills that they're 104 00:05:29.899 --> 00:05:31.660 A:middle L:90% taught. So I worked on that for about 10 105 00:05:31.660 --> 00:05:34.759 A:middle L:90% or 12 years, there was a need 70s through 106 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:38.360 A:middle L:90% the mid 80s. Then when my kids came along 107 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.310 A:middle L:90% , my research interests turned to things that were kind 108 00:05:42.310 --> 00:05:44.620 A:middle L:90% of relevant to young Children. So for example, 109 00:05:44.629 --> 00:05:46.250 A:middle L:90% a lot of research on what Children can learn from 110 00:05:46.250 --> 00:05:49.800 A:middle L:90% Sesame Street and how we can have parents interact with 111 00:05:49.810 --> 00:05:53.100 A:middle L:90% kids as they're watching Sesame Street, so as to 112 00:05:53.100 --> 00:05:55.779 A:middle L:90% help them learn more. And then it's, my 113 00:05:55.779 --> 00:05:59.259 A:middle L:90% kids started getting into computer based instruction and games. 114 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:02.290 A:middle L:90% I started looking at how we can evaluate the instructional 115 00:06:02.290 --> 00:06:05.180 A:middle L:90% effectiveness of computer based instruction and well, Dick and 116 00:06:05.180 --> 00:06:10.250 A:middle L:90% I created a model for evaluating instruction effectiveness of computer 117 00:06:10.250 --> 00:06:14.379 A:middle L:90% based instruction uh and examine how effective some games have 118 00:06:14.389 --> 00:06:16.920 A:middle L:90% reported to be very effective work or not. So 119 00:06:16.990 --> 00:06:18.699 A:middle L:90% we worked on that for a number of years and 120 00:06:18.699 --> 00:06:21.629 A:middle L:90% so you would you would say that your focus has 121 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:25.259 A:middle L:90% evolved over time. Yeah. You know, if 122 00:06:25.259 --> 00:06:26.959 A:middle L:90% you had a character is my research injured, I 123 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:30.839 A:middle L:90% think I'm really interested in coming up with practical solutions 124 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:32.730 A:middle L:90% to real world problems, more of a applied research 125 00:06:32.730 --> 00:06:34.600 A:middle L:90% focus and a basic research records. And I think 126 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:38.050 A:middle L:90% the areas I discussed with you will fit in that 127 00:06:38.939 --> 00:06:41.959 A:middle L:90% marina. That's that's very helpful for the field. 128 00:06:43.230 --> 00:06:46.189 A:middle L:90% Now, how did you get interested in this field 129 00:06:46.269 --> 00:06:47.269 A:middle L:90% ? Maybe your undergraduate? Did you? Sure. 130 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:51.189 A:middle L:90% Yeah. I originally thought I'd be a classroom teacher 131 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:55.439 A:middle L:90% but interestingly when I was student teaching, one of 132 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:59.579 A:middle L:90% the problems that I found was I was spending powers 133 00:06:59.589 --> 00:07:02.129 A:middle L:90% designing a single lesson. Little did I know that 134 00:07:02.129 --> 00:07:04.459 A:middle L:90% my whole career would end up doing, doing that 135 00:07:04.459 --> 00:07:10.750 A:middle L:90% very thing designing instruction. So I decided you know 136 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:12.970 A:middle L:90% , I'd like to stay in the classroom but maybe 137 00:07:12.970 --> 00:07:14.740 A:middle L:90% not be a classroom teacher. So I thought maybe 138 00:07:14.740 --> 00:07:17.100 A:middle L:90% I'd become a slide library media specialist and I applied 139 00:07:17.100 --> 00:07:20.040 A:middle L:90% to a number of programs to major in that area 140 00:07:20.180 --> 00:07:23.660 A:middle L:90% and one day I got a call from Arizona state 141 00:07:23.709 --> 00:07:27.629 A:middle L:90% , they had a joint school library media instructional design 142 00:07:27.629 --> 00:07:30.569 A:middle L:90% program. And the professor there who is the head 143 00:07:30.569 --> 00:07:31.930 A:middle L:90% of the program's name is very in Gerlach called and 144 00:07:31.930 --> 00:07:33.629 A:middle L:90% said you know we've looked at your records and we'd 145 00:07:33.629 --> 00:07:35.189 A:middle L:90% really like you to join the perm but we'd like 146 00:07:35.189 --> 00:07:39.170 A:middle L:90% you to be in the instructional design area, I 147 00:07:39.180 --> 00:07:43.360 A:middle L:90% had no idea what instructional design was I asked for 148 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:46.810 A:middle L:90% and so what structural designers do. And he said 149 00:07:46.810 --> 00:07:48.949 A:middle L:90% to me, well you know, Our graduates working 150 00:07:48.949 --> 00:07:51.750 A:middle L:90% three areas. Some of them go into academia, 151 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:56.569 A:middle L:90% some of them go into business and industry and some 152 00:07:56.569 --> 00:07:59.139 A:middle L:90% of them go in as civilians working for the military 153 00:07:59.290 --> 00:08:01.180 A:middle L:90% . So that's pretty good. I'll consider that when 154 00:08:01.180 --> 00:08:03.649 A:middle L:90% I got out there I found that they only had 155 00:08:03.649 --> 00:08:05.149 A:middle L:90% three graduates wanted going into each of the three areas 156 00:08:05.540 --> 00:08:07.129 A:middle L:90% . So I kind of fell into the field. 157 00:08:07.139 --> 00:08:09.800 A:middle L:90% But once I got out there, the Arizona state 158 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:13.290 A:middle L:90% and started taking courses and instructions on it. So 159 00:08:13.290 --> 00:08:15.089 A:middle L:90% that it was a really good for me because it 160 00:08:15.089 --> 00:08:16.339 A:middle L:90% seemed to me that be a good instructions on you 161 00:08:16.339 --> 00:08:20.459 A:middle L:90% have to be systematic. You have to be organized 162 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:22.860 A:middle L:90% things that I am compulsive. Let's have to be 163 00:08:22.860 --> 00:08:26.100 A:middle L:90% creative to be a good instructional design. You can't 164 00:08:26.100 --> 00:08:28.019 A:middle L:90% just do very basic boring instruction. And those are 165 00:08:28.019 --> 00:08:31.160 A:middle L:90% all things that I both towns that I had a 166 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:33.529 A:middle L:90% pretty good, right? So given those sets of 167 00:08:33.539 --> 00:08:37.750 A:middle L:90% personal characteristics and the characteristics needed to be successful and 168 00:08:37.750 --> 00:08:39.549 A:middle L:90% stretched, it seemed to be a good fit and 169 00:08:39.549 --> 00:08:41.309 A:middle L:90% it's worked out really beautiful for me. Well, 170 00:08:41.309 --> 00:08:45.190 A:middle L:90% I have to tell you just a real quick story 171 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:46.500 A:middle L:90% that when I came down and I was interviewing some 172 00:08:46.500 --> 00:08:50.370 A:middle L:90% of the students at florida state. One of the 173 00:08:50.379 --> 00:08:52.419 A:middle L:90% I think was one of the Coast Guard students said 174 00:08:52.429 --> 00:08:56.570 A:middle L:90% that dr research really walks the talk and he said 175 00:08:56.580 --> 00:09:01.129 A:middle L:90% that guy is a living example of what he's teaching 176 00:09:01.139 --> 00:09:01.669 A:middle L:90% . And he said, and at the end of 177 00:09:01.669 --> 00:09:05.659 A:middle L:90% class he always sits down and writes out what went 178 00:09:05.669 --> 00:09:07.529 A:middle L:90% right and what were you like that? That's true 179 00:09:07.539 --> 00:09:09.809 A:middle L:90% . You really impressed? Well, that's nice to 180 00:09:09.809 --> 00:09:13.590 A:middle L:90% hear. I really always try very hard to practice 181 00:09:13.590 --> 00:09:15.919 A:middle L:90% what I preach. And I often we get feedback 182 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:18.100 A:middle L:90% to that effect made me work even harder to do 183 00:09:18.100 --> 00:09:20.570 A:middle L:90% that. That's great. Thanks for sharing. Sure 184 00:09:20.580 --> 00:09:22.799 A:middle L:90% , Sure. How would you describe your research interests 185 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.940 A:middle L:90% and aspirations and how they were at the beginning of 186 00:09:26.940 --> 00:09:30.779 A:middle L:90% your program of your career and how they've changed over 187 00:09:30.779 --> 00:09:35.480 A:middle L:90% time. Sure. One thing I've always been interested 188 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:37.220 A:middle L:90% , as I said earlier was doing practical research and 189 00:09:37.220 --> 00:09:39.929 A:middle L:90% I've talked about how my research is going to be 190 00:09:39.940 --> 00:09:43.720 A:middle L:90% practically focused. Another aspect of my job that I've 191 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.330 A:middle L:90% always enjoyed and this was an aspiration for my first 192 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.480 A:middle L:90% uh this field was to be a good teacher and 193 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.330 A:middle L:90% I've really worked hard fine tuning my teaching skills so 194 00:09:54.330 --> 00:09:58.009 A:middle L:90% that I am effective teacher and that the students learn 195 00:09:58.009 --> 00:10:01.350 A:middle L:90% a lot of my classes and enjoy something. That's 196 00:10:01.350 --> 00:10:03.659 A:middle L:90% been something I continue to work on to this very 197 00:10:03.669 --> 00:10:05.059 A:middle L:90% day. My wife often says me bob, you've 198 00:10:05.059 --> 00:10:07.620 A:middle L:90% been teaching a course for of course for 32 years 199 00:10:07.620 --> 00:10:09.169 A:middle L:90% while you're staying up, you know, revising it 200 00:10:09.169 --> 00:10:11.309 A:middle L:90% tonight. Well, it's just me because I want 201 00:10:11.309 --> 00:10:13.580 A:middle L:90% to do the job in the classroom. Another thing 202 00:10:13.580 --> 00:10:16.269 A:middle L:90% that I've really enjoyed, I didn't know this at 203 00:10:16.269 --> 00:10:18.580 A:middle L:90% the beginning of my career was taking leadership positions in 204 00:10:18.580 --> 00:10:22.399 A:middle L:90% organizations. I was program leader, the instructional systems 205 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:26.730 A:middle L:90% program for six years. I was department share for 206 00:10:26.730 --> 00:10:31.019 A:middle L:90% nine years now I'm associate dean for research and I 207 00:10:31.029 --> 00:10:33.330 A:middle L:90% really enjoyed when I have the opportunity to move an 208 00:10:33.330 --> 00:10:37.269 A:middle L:90% organization of program forward in a certain direction. I 209 00:10:37.269 --> 00:10:39.519 A:middle L:90% really enjoy doing that and seeing the fruits of my 210 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:41.549 A:middle L:90% labor, how the program becomes better, how the 211 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:43.870 A:middle L:90% department becomes better helping people in those organizations. Is 212 00:10:43.870 --> 00:10:46.860 A:middle L:90% that something that wasn't initially an aspiration of mine, 213 00:10:46.860 --> 00:10:50.529 A:middle L:90% but once I got into leadership roles, I really 214 00:10:50.529 --> 00:10:54.289 A:middle L:90% started enjoying that as well. Sounds like you were 215 00:10:54.299 --> 00:10:56.309 A:middle L:90% moving people forward in their careers. Yeah. Yes 216 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:00.259 A:middle L:90% , definitely. Yeah, and I really like that 217 00:11:00.940 --> 00:11:01.889 A:middle L:90% now. What were some of the major ideas or 218 00:11:01.889 --> 00:11:05.490 A:middle L:90% approaches that stimulated your professional growth? Sure. You 219 00:11:05.490 --> 00:11:07.940 A:middle L:90% know, I've always felt that the notion of being 220 00:11:07.940 --> 00:11:11.490 A:middle L:90% very clear about your goals and objectives are is really 221 00:11:11.490 --> 00:11:13.669 A:middle L:90% at the heart of our field. If you know 222 00:11:13.669 --> 00:11:15.200 A:middle L:90% where you're going, then you can plan how to 223 00:11:15.210 --> 00:11:16.519 A:middle L:90% get there. So that's been something that's underlying all 224 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:18.370 A:middle L:90% my, my teaching, a lot of my research 225 00:11:18.370 --> 00:11:20.840 A:middle L:90% to know what I'm trying to accomplish, then make 226 00:11:20.850 --> 00:11:24.500 A:middle L:90% taking on activities that enable me to accomplish that a 227 00:11:24.509 --> 00:11:28.529 A:middle L:90% related notion is instructional alignment. The need to make 228 00:11:28.529 --> 00:11:31.539 A:middle L:90% sure that the things you're teaching are designed to help 229 00:11:31.539 --> 00:11:35.610 A:middle L:90% students acquire specific outcomes and I really work hard to 230 00:11:35.610 --> 00:11:39.830 A:middle L:90% see that I'm not giving students unnecessary stuff that I'm 231 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.799 A:middle L:90% teaching, the things they need and require certain skills 232 00:11:43.809 --> 00:11:46.399 A:middle L:90% . It's also important to motivate your students. So 233 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:50.049 A:middle L:90% I worked very hard to create enjoyable activities that will 234 00:11:50.049 --> 00:11:54.289 A:middle L:90% help my students obtain the goals. They have another 235 00:11:54.289 --> 00:11:56.500 A:middle L:90% key concept in our field that underlies a lot of 236 00:11:56.509 --> 00:11:56.870 A:middle L:90% my work. Again, this is mostly with regard 237 00:11:56.870 --> 00:12:00.779 A:middle L:90% to my teaching, is the whole notion of formative 238 00:12:00.779 --> 00:12:03.549 A:middle L:90% evaluation, which is a fancy word for trying it 239 00:12:03.549 --> 00:12:05.169 A:middle L:90% out. Yeah, gathering some data as to whether 240 00:12:05.169 --> 00:12:07.700 A:middle L:90% it works not And then revising accordingly. And as 241 00:12:07.700 --> 00:12:09.220 A:middle L:90% I said earlier and I could be teaching a course 242 00:12:09.220 --> 00:12:11.139 A:middle L:90% for 30 years. I can still go into a 243 00:12:11.149 --> 00:12:15.690 A:middle L:90% classroom not get it right, but then take what 244 00:12:15.690 --> 00:12:18.470 A:middle L:90% didn't go well and revise it to make it better 245 00:12:18.580 --> 00:12:20.409 A:middle L:90% the next time. The last thing that's been real 246 00:12:20.409 --> 00:12:22.070 A:middle L:90% important, I think in my professional develop is being 247 00:12:22.070 --> 00:12:24.789 A:middle L:90% a good listener, is an instructional designer. You 248 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:28.450 A:middle L:90% really have to listen to what the other person we 249 00:12:28.450 --> 00:12:31.360 A:middle L:90% all enjoy talking, enjoying that right now actually, 250 00:12:31.740 --> 00:12:33.389 A:middle L:90% but also being a good listener, hearing what the 251 00:12:33.389 --> 00:12:35.220 A:middle L:90% other person says and then be able to record that 252 00:12:35.220 --> 00:12:39.289 A:middle L:90% and use that information to help design better instruction. 253 00:12:39.299 --> 00:12:43.360 A:middle L:90% Plus you gain the person's um confidence when when you 254 00:12:43.370 --> 00:12:46.379 A:middle L:90% when they realize that you're listening to what they have 255 00:12:46.379 --> 00:12:48.149 A:middle L:90% to say. So those are some of the values 256 00:12:48.149 --> 00:12:50.259 A:middle L:90% or ideas that have geared my practices in this field 257 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:54.620 A:middle L:90% and you you mentioned your work with making sure that 258 00:12:54.629 --> 00:12:58.039 A:middle L:90% students get what the skills that they're going to need 259 00:12:58.049 --> 00:13:01.259 A:middle L:90% um that kind of flows into your work on competencies 260 00:13:01.259 --> 00:13:03.779 A:middle L:90% . Can you talk about a little of your involvement 261 00:13:03.779 --> 00:13:05.580 A:middle L:90% in in that room? Sure, yeah. For 262 00:13:05.580 --> 00:13:09.210 A:middle L:90% the past six years, been out of it for 263 00:13:09.210 --> 00:13:11.730 A:middle L:90% about a year now, I was involved with skippy 264 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:16.639 A:middle L:90% , the international Board of Standards for training performance and 265 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:18.090 A:middle L:90% instruction. I think I got that right. And 266 00:13:18.090 --> 00:13:20.149 A:middle L:90% what we did during that period least what I did 267 00:13:20.149 --> 00:13:24.049 A:middle L:90% during that period is work to revise the list of 268 00:13:24.049 --> 00:13:26.419 A:middle L:90% skills, instruction design or competencies, instruction diners need 269 00:13:26.429 --> 00:13:31.090 A:middle L:90% to be effective the field. We just recently finished 270 00:13:31.090 --> 00:13:31.450 A:middle L:90% that work about a year ago. It will be 271 00:13:31.450 --> 00:13:35.039 A:middle L:90% published soon and its entire new list of competencies needed 272 00:13:35.049 --> 00:13:39.009 A:middle L:90% by instructional designers and the absurdity competencies. Previous editions 273 00:13:39.009 --> 00:13:41.090 A:middle L:90% have been very widely accepted and we're hoping that will 274 00:13:41.100 --> 00:13:45.360 A:middle L:90% be the case this set of competencies as well and 275 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.559 A:middle L:90% they're used pretty much across all different careers. Yes 276 00:13:48.570 --> 00:13:52.360 A:middle L:90% . Yeah that's that's right. Business and industry military 277 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:56.509 A:middle L:90% where they have people working instruction design, certainly higher 278 00:13:56.509 --> 00:14:00.639 A:middle L:90% education academic programs geared their standards based upon the stiffy 279 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:01.470 A:middle L:90% competency. So yeah, it's had a pretty good 280 00:14:01.470 --> 00:14:03.460 A:middle L:90% impact. I'm hoping the next additional do the same 281 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.409 A:middle L:90% now. What were some of the most important trends 282 00:14:07.419 --> 00:14:09.840 A:middle L:90% that you felt were going on during your career? 283 00:14:09.980 --> 00:14:11.889 A:middle L:90% Well of course early in my career was really an 284 00:14:11.889 --> 00:14:13.129 A:middle L:90% average the notion of mastery learning and how we can 285 00:14:13.139 --> 00:14:16.519 A:middle L:90% design instructions that most students will acquire the skills we 286 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.590 A:middle L:90% want them to. And I think a lot of 287 00:14:18.590 --> 00:14:20.690 A:middle L:90% those concepts are still relevant today, even though we 288 00:14:20.690 --> 00:14:24.870 A:middle L:90% don't hear the term mystery learning use very much today 289 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:26.340 A:middle L:90% . Um But you know it's interesting rather than talking 290 00:14:26.340 --> 00:14:30.370 A:middle L:90% about new technological innovations and so on which you all 291 00:14:30.370 --> 00:14:33.169 A:middle L:90% have had positive impacts upon our field. I like 292 00:14:33.169 --> 00:14:35.129 A:middle L:90% to always go back to the instructional design basics. 293 00:14:35.129 --> 00:14:37.379 A:middle L:90% I think the whole notion of being very clear about 294 00:14:37.379 --> 00:14:41.779 A:middle L:90% where you're going and making sure that your instruction is 295 00:14:41.779 --> 00:14:43.529 A:middle L:90% designed to help your students get their regardless of the 296 00:14:43.529 --> 00:14:46.549 A:middle L:90% medium that you use is really the key to success 297 00:14:46.549 --> 00:14:50.289 A:middle L:90% in our field. So I'm happy to note nutrients 298 00:14:50.289 --> 00:14:50.639 A:middle L:90% and I feel I have a book insurance in the 299 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:52.779 A:middle L:90% field, but I think it's those basics that set 300 00:14:52.779 --> 00:14:58.200 A:middle L:90% of structural designers, part from people who just media 301 00:14:58.210 --> 00:15:00.559 A:middle L:90% professionals. I mean they play an important role but 302 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.860 A:middle L:90% without good instructional design, uh the use of media 303 00:15:03.860 --> 00:15:05.360 A:middle L:90% is not going to make that much of a difference 304 00:15:05.370 --> 00:15:07.259 A:middle L:90% . Also motivational activities. I think it's really important 305 00:15:07.259 --> 00:15:11.049 A:middle L:90% for us this instruction science to design, construction is 306 00:15:11.049 --> 00:15:13.429 A:middle L:90% motivating, that's creative that will excite our learners and 307 00:15:13.429 --> 00:15:13.840 A:middle L:90% make them want to learn. So my goal is 308 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.860 A:middle L:90% to get learners acquire the skills you want them to 309 00:15:16.860 --> 00:15:18.730 A:middle L:90% acquire and to enjoy it while they're learning those skills 310 00:15:18.730 --> 00:15:22.519 A:middle L:90% . And it's by being very clear about my goals 311 00:15:22.529 --> 00:15:24.039 A:middle L:90% and aligning my instruction to my goals that I'm able 312 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:28.480 A:middle L:90% to do that. Um what do you think of 313 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.570 A:middle L:90% some of the more recent trends that have been coming 314 00:15:31.570 --> 00:15:33.750 A:middle L:90% out in the field? Well, certainly, uh 315 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:35.389 A:middle L:90% in the past 10 years, online learning has had 316 00:15:35.389 --> 00:15:37.649 A:middle L:90% a major impact on our field. We're offering many 317 00:15:37.649 --> 00:15:39.870 A:middle L:90% more of our courses online, not just us in 318 00:15:39.870 --> 00:15:41.919 A:middle L:90% our profession, but it, All areas of higher 319 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:43.700 A:middle L:90% education now, even K 12, a lot of 320 00:15:43.700 --> 00:15:46.039 A:middle L:90% online courses. So I think that's a very important 321 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:50.720 A:middle L:90% trend. I have some concerns about him as well 322 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:52.840 A:middle L:90% , and that's the role that the instructor plays in 323 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:56.429 A:middle L:90% the online courses, particularly in higher education. I 324 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:58.919 A:middle L:90% think an instructor to hire a, in an online 325 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:02.590 A:middle L:90% course needs to work hard to make sure that not 326 00:16:02.590 --> 00:16:04.289 A:middle L:90% only the students interact with one another, but the 327 00:16:04.289 --> 00:16:07.929 A:middle L:90% instructor provides good feedback and information to the students because 328 00:16:07.940 --> 00:16:11.350 A:middle L:90% it's the instructor oftentimes has the knowledge and skills that 329 00:16:11.350 --> 00:16:15.860 A:middle L:90% need to be conveyed. And I've noticed at least 330 00:16:15.860 --> 00:16:17.980 A:middle L:90% in some courses, a tendency on instructors to kind 331 00:16:17.980 --> 00:16:19.970 A:middle L:90% of lay back and let the students interact with another 332 00:16:19.970 --> 00:16:25.710 A:middle L:90% without providing the feedback and guidance to enrich the experience 333 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:26.919 A:middle L:90% . So I think online learning is a very important 334 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:30.509 A:middle L:90% trend when that's really open up education to people who 335 00:16:30.509 --> 00:16:32.500 A:middle L:90% aren't able to get it before. I think we 336 00:16:32.509 --> 00:16:34.700 A:middle L:90% really need to be very careful about designing interesting online 337 00:16:34.700 --> 00:16:37.299 A:middle L:90% courses courses that promote a lot of interaction, but 338 00:16:37.299 --> 00:16:41.600 A:middle L:90% not just interaction among students, but among students along 339 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:45.850 A:middle L:90% with faculty now, who are some of the people 340 00:16:45.860 --> 00:16:47.809 A:middle L:90% you needed to, you who are some of the 341 00:16:47.809 --> 00:16:49.639 A:middle L:90% other people that over the course of your career have 342 00:16:49.649 --> 00:16:52.509 A:middle L:90% impacted your growth. And sure, well, as 343 00:16:52.509 --> 00:16:55.210 A:middle L:90% I said earlier, the two, the two major 344 00:16:55.220 --> 00:16:56.230 A:middle L:90% uh, mentors in my career, first, Howard 345 00:16:56.230 --> 00:17:00.559 A:middle L:90% Sullivan was a student to this day in walter dick 346 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:02.399 A:middle L:90% . But in addition to that, I was so 347 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:03.880 A:middle L:90% fortunate to end up in florida state because there was 348 00:17:03.880 --> 00:17:07.359 A:middle L:90% so many well known figures there, all of whom 349 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.839 A:middle L:90% were just wonderful to me, bob morgan who was 350 00:17:11.849 --> 00:17:14.400 A:middle L:90% the head of the florida state instruction system for one 351 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:17.039 A:middle L:90% actually brought all those big names to florida state was 352 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:19.230 A:middle L:90% the person who originally hired me at florida state uh 353 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:22.660 A:middle L:90% , as an instructional designer actually that was part time 354 00:17:22.670 --> 00:17:25.410 A:middle L:90% faculty, mainly as instruction design and bob was really 355 00:17:25.410 --> 00:17:26.970 A:middle L:90% instrumental in giving me the opportunity to move forward. 356 00:17:26.980 --> 00:17:30.049 A:middle L:90% In fact, I have a name professorship now and 357 00:17:30.049 --> 00:17:33.549 A:middle L:90% it's robert M morgan professor of instruction systems named after 358 00:17:33.549 --> 00:17:37.500 A:middle L:90% bob family. The other figure of questions, bob 359 00:17:37.500 --> 00:17:40.980 A:middle L:90% canyon had an office right across from bob daniel. 360 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:44.359 A:middle L:90% I couldn't believe after having read about him so much 361 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:45.339 A:middle L:90% in all my courses that here I am in the 362 00:17:45.339 --> 00:17:48.539 A:middle L:90% same office suite with bob and I remember the first 363 00:17:48.539 --> 00:17:52.029 A:middle L:90% time bob came into my office and said, well 364 00:17:52.029 --> 00:17:52.490 A:middle L:90% , really? So why do you think about this 365 00:17:52.490 --> 00:17:55.819 A:middle L:90% ? They actually asked me a question, I remember 366 00:17:55.819 --> 00:17:56.549 A:middle L:90% going home to my wife and say you're not gonna 367 00:17:56.549 --> 00:17:59.960 A:middle L:90% believe this bob gagne, asked me a question today 368 00:17:59.960 --> 00:18:02.509 A:middle L:90% about our profession. And so uh bob was a 369 00:18:02.509 --> 00:18:04.970 A:middle L:90% wonderful mentor. We work together on this book, 370 00:18:04.970 --> 00:18:07.630 A:middle L:90% selecting media for instruction. He asked me to write 371 00:18:07.630 --> 00:18:10.210 A:middle L:90% a book. This was in the late Jimmy, 372 00:18:10.210 --> 00:18:11.789 A:middle L:90% a book chapter in the late 1980s on the history 373 00:18:11.789 --> 00:18:15.670 A:middle L:90% of our field. He had a book called instructional 374 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:18.089 A:middle L:90% technology foundations, I believe the name was. And 375 00:18:18.089 --> 00:18:21.440 A:middle L:90% he was getting all these big names in the field 376 00:18:21.450 --> 00:18:22.650 A:middle L:90% to write for him and he had only been out 377 00:18:22.650 --> 00:18:25.829 A:middle L:90% maybe 8, 10 years. And he came in 378 00:18:25.829 --> 00:18:26.660 A:middle L:90% to me one day and said bob, would you 379 00:18:26.660 --> 00:18:29.529 A:middle L:90% like to write a chapter for the book on the 380 00:18:29.539 --> 00:18:30.819 A:middle L:90% history of the field? I said probably lived this 381 00:18:30.819 --> 00:18:33.829 A:middle L:90% history. But you know, I I learned a 382 00:18:33.829 --> 00:18:34.940 A:middle L:90% lesson there because I took I was reluctant, but 383 00:18:34.940 --> 00:18:37.279 A:middle L:90% I took on the task and I tell my students 384 00:18:37.369 --> 00:18:40.670 A:middle L:90% this all the time. You know, sometimes you're 385 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:42.390 A:middle L:90% given something, she thinks a very steep challenge for 386 00:18:42.390 --> 00:18:45.500 A:middle L:90% you, but take it on because I can read 387 00:18:45.509 --> 00:18:47.690 A:middle L:90% great benefits. And you know, as a result 388 00:18:47.690 --> 00:18:48.099 A:middle L:90% of bobby asked me to do that. I've kind 389 00:18:48.099 --> 00:18:51.839 A:middle L:90% of become kind of one of the historians of the 390 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:52.490 A:middle L:90% field. It was all because of bob giving me 391 00:18:52.490 --> 00:18:56.339 A:middle L:90% that opportunity to do it. So again, Howard 392 00:18:56.339 --> 00:19:00.779 A:middle L:90% , Sullivan walter dick bob morgan bob. Can you 393 00:19:00.789 --> 00:19:03.920 A:middle L:90% were among the main people, mentors and helped me 394 00:19:03.930 --> 00:19:06.109 A:middle L:90% in my career. And today a lot of people 395 00:19:06.109 --> 00:19:08.470 A:middle L:90% still work like Morsi Tarasco have also been very instrumental 396 00:19:08.470 --> 00:19:11.470 A:middle L:90% in the film. Yes. Who are some of 397 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:15.619 A:middle L:90% those people like Marcy that you've collaborated with? Sure 398 00:19:15.619 --> 00:19:18.839 A:middle L:90% . Well, uh worked with Morsi several research studies 399 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:22.849 A:middle L:90% together. She's written a chapter from my book at 400 00:19:22.849 --> 00:19:25.210 A:middle L:90% florida state. I've worked with what wager and john 401 00:19:25.220 --> 00:19:29.000 A:middle L:90% Keller, bob Branson, roger kaufman, all those 402 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:32.230 A:middle L:90% people, we've worked together designing courses, doing some 403 00:19:32.230 --> 00:19:36.039 A:middle L:90% research together. And then I have loads of colleagues 404 00:19:36.049 --> 00:19:40.440 A:middle L:90% from other universities, Kent gustafson who used to be 405 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:41.450 A:middle L:90% at the University of Georgia. My can if it 406 00:19:41.460 --> 00:19:45.599 A:middle L:90% was a student along well, Mike actually studied Arizona's 407 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.059 A:middle L:90% a few years after me, but Mike's another one 408 00:19:48.069 --> 00:19:48.920 A:middle L:90% . Steve ross used to be the editor of E 409 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.089 A:middle L:90% T R and D. I could go on Dave 410 00:19:52.089 --> 00:19:55.059 A:middle L:90% Merrill Donnie lee jim Morris. So I could go 411 00:19:55.059 --> 00:19:57.390 A:middle L:90% on naming 15 or 20 people who have worked with 412 00:19:57.390 --> 00:20:00.519 A:middle L:90% over the years. A lot of them recently with 413 00:20:00.529 --> 00:20:03.799 A:middle L:90% the various editions of my text reader. Richie, 414 00:20:03.809 --> 00:20:04.950 A:middle L:90% you just interviewed a few a few minutes ago, 415 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:07.779 A:middle L:90% so I'll stop right there, but I can name 416 00:20:07.779 --> 00:20:10.259 A:middle L:90% many more. It's been a wonderful career and you 417 00:20:10.259 --> 00:20:11.029 A:middle L:90% know, it's amazing after you've been in the field 418 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:14.890 A:middle L:90% of one period, get to know almost everybody in 419 00:20:14.890 --> 00:20:17.950 A:middle L:90% the field and it's just a pleasure to see them 420 00:20:17.950 --> 00:20:19.279 A:middle L:90% each year interact with them and in my case, 421 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:22.569 A:middle L:90% actually have them work with me as they write chapters 422 00:20:22.569 --> 00:20:25.430 A:middle L:90% from my book. That's right. And what do 423 00:20:25.430 --> 00:20:29.170 A:middle L:90% you think is the greatest accomplishment of your career? 424 00:20:29.170 --> 00:20:32.549 A:middle L:90% And one, okay, I want to mention two 425 00:20:32.549 --> 00:20:37.410 A:middle L:90% things. one is when I want the University Distinguished 426 00:20:37.420 --> 00:20:40.940 A:middle L:90% Teaching Award Every year at Florida State, they give 427 00:20:40.940 --> 00:20:44.089 A:middle L:90% out one award for the person who offered his or 428 00:20:44.089 --> 00:20:47.730 A:middle L:90% her career has done an outstanding job of teaching and 429 00:20:47.730 --> 00:20:48.950 A:middle L:90% I was the first one from the College of Education 430 00:20:48.950 --> 00:20:51.380 A:middle L:90% ever to win that it wouldn't. And that to 431 00:20:51.380 --> 00:20:52.690 A:middle L:90% me was like one of my ultimate accomplishment because I've 432 00:20:52.700 --> 00:20:56.819 A:middle L:90% always felt I'm really devoted to my teaching, I 433 00:20:56.829 --> 00:21:00.650 A:middle L:90% really work hard and to get that award to recognize 434 00:21:00.650 --> 00:21:03.529 A:middle L:90% my accomplishment of areas was something I was extremely proud 435 00:21:03.529 --> 00:21:06.289 A:middle L:90% of. The second thing is the trends and issues 436 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:08.220 A:middle L:90% . Little did I know that when I first did 437 00:21:08.220 --> 00:21:11.480 A:middle L:90% that book, that it would have the impact that 438 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:14.819 A:middle L:90% it's had. Um we've done several studies that have 439 00:21:14.819 --> 00:21:17.599 A:middle L:90% shown this book to be among the most frequently used 440 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:19.759 A:middle L:90% books in the most recent study along with wool ticks 441 00:21:19.859 --> 00:21:22.809 A:middle L:90% can carry book, the most frequently required book and 442 00:21:22.809 --> 00:21:26.799 A:middle L:90% programs in our field. So I'm really proud of 443 00:21:26.809 --> 00:21:27.289 A:middle L:90% the fact that I put this book together. I 444 00:21:27.289 --> 00:21:30.759 A:middle L:90% have to thank all the authors of the chapters because 445 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:32.990 A:middle L:90% I've only written a few chapters in the book has 446 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:34.210 A:middle L:90% have checked, but we get lots of others to 447 00:21:34.210 --> 00:21:37.609 A:middle L:90% write chapters. It's because of the work of those 448 00:21:37.609 --> 00:21:40.809 A:middle L:90% authors and my checks, putting it all together. 449 00:21:40.819 --> 00:21:41.859 A:middle L:90% That that book has been as successful as it has 450 00:21:41.859 --> 00:21:44.819 A:middle L:90% . And I to the state people come up to 451 00:21:44.819 --> 00:21:47.640 A:middle L:90% me oh, dr research. I really liked that 452 00:21:47.650 --> 00:21:49.059 A:middle L:90% book. So I'm really proud of that as well 453 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:52.660 A:middle L:90% . Um and how would you like to be remembered 454 00:21:53.940 --> 00:21:56.700 A:middle L:90% ? Wow, that's interesting. Well, first of 455 00:21:56.700 --> 00:21:59.690 A:middle L:90% all, I hope I remember it as a good 456 00:21:59.690 --> 00:22:02.609 A:middle L:90% person. Somebody who people enjoyed interacting with, who 457 00:22:02.609 --> 00:22:07.930 A:middle L:90% was a caring, hardworking individual who helped move his 458 00:22:07.940 --> 00:22:11.450 A:middle L:90% program, his department, his college and this profession 459 00:22:11.450 --> 00:22:14.829 A:middle L:90% forward. And if I'm remembered in those regards will 460 00:22:14.829 --> 00:22:17.609 A:middle L:90% be very happy. Well, thank you. Sure 461 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:21.769 A:middle L:90% about this has been great. It has an excellent