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Okay, well, good morning. All right,

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while everyone's getting settled in this morning, we'll began.

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This is panel four. The title for this panel is

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Alignment Exemplars and Current Opportunities for Collaboration. My name

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is Tyler Walters. I'm the Dean of University Libraries at

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Virginia Tech, U.S.A. And a program

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committee member for ANADP2. In her final day, how

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about that? Already come quickly were dissolved reminiscing,

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discussing here about how do the the patio

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perspectives, courtyard perspectives, the sun to take this

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outside. Uh huh. It's very nice. So

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this session is we look at current opportunities for collaboration

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. I'll mention quickly who our panelists are and they're

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each going to give us a 10 minute or less

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presentation about their organization and projects. And then we're

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going to engage in some questions and discussion and we

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definitely want audience participation. These panels very similar to

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how the other panels, everything we have figured to

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we need to hear from the panels in terms of

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the organizations, make sure all of you are familiar

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with but there are initiatives. Yes, so are

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you gonna offer speakers first alternative this work was Panelist

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who will be chris career, the U. S

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. National Institute of Standards and Technology representing the Research

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Data Alliance, Kathy Hartman on my immediate left of

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the University of texas Libraries representing the international Internet preservation

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consortium, Catherine Skinner, who you all should know

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by now represented Tikopia Institute and you can young who's

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with the Austrian Institute. Speaking of escaping and with

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that I'm going to turn over to chris to talk

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about. Are you okay? Thank you Tyler.

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Good morning. Mm But now we've got your attention

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a little bit of 20 so we can go from

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there. This is a perfect opportunity to talk international

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collaboration that's emerged Research data alliance. I'm speaking as

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one of those who participated in catalyzing the launch of

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Research State Alliance. Research State Alliance is a community

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organization, belongs to the community is not mine organization

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, but it's one that would try interact substantially.

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So I'm going to answer a set of questions about

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the research date alliance versus the issue of why is

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Research Data Alliance needed and this gets at the issue

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that science in the 21st century is global, answer

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questions about the origins of the universe, the sources

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of climate change and the impact, climate change,

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the operation, an economy at global scale. All

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of those things cannot be answered by establishing resources that

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are local in nature, our regional or even national

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in nature, but they require instead infrastructures that are

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global character. And so many of us who are

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investing in the infrastructure last how to form a global

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infrastructure would provide the access that that scale. And

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the example we looked to for the global infrastructure on

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the internet is operated at the Internet itself is not

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a thing. It's a set of protocols connecting thousands

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of networks. It's not about how individual networks operate

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themselves. It's how those networks interact, mother.

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And so I'm thinking about a global data infrastructure is

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not how an individual organizational repository operates, how those

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organizations interacting with one another. So that data is

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exchangeable across across the globe. And so that kind

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of thing can be created in the internet was not

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created by mandate by legal authority, treaty or those

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emerged from the community as a community. And so

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just as the internet was driven by the community by

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the engineering task force who envisioned a similar referee community

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based effort which has come to be main research data

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alive. Um, this is a slide that shows

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a bit about the organization of the research data lines

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and the deep blue box are sort of the represents

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the community as a whole. In the various components

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from the community, there's a council and I'll talk

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a little bit about, okay later there's a technical

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advisory group of experts who lies the council, a

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secretariat for some of the administration operations, an organizational

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group that provides those organizations investing in the idea with

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the voice and then all of the work gets done

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in working groups and again more about them. In

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a minute there's a parallel organization called the R.

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D. A colloquium, which is a group of

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those funding agencies which are engaged with Research Data Alliance

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. All right. So the council, there are

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now seven members on the guardian council from that the

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U. S. From France, from Botswana,

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from Germany and from Australia and the UK. So

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very broad global representation with a wide variety of expertise

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and interests represented across the council and that's intended to

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represent the diversity of interests in the community. The

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funds represented by R. D. A. The

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Technical and Lives report similarly, with a proper representation

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as you can see from different sorts of institution.

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Institutions are very different types and located at a wide

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variety of sites around. Hello this health get sort

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of the frog range of technic technical expertise that you

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would need in order to operate, buying and operating

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global infrastructure. The community through Arda works in two

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different kinds settings. The first is an interest group

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and an interest group is that it's an ongoing group

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, one that will continue over time may have all

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over as well. And it's an opportunity for people

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with common interests to explore areas in which they would

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like to work together where they can see challenges that

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the community could take off reach some consensus about the

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nature of those challenges and make a decision on whether

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to proceed and the outcome of that decision is to

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form a working group with a specific task The working

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group. So I should say there are 23 current

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and emerging working groups that are arranged by topic area

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agricultural data week. Information are examples in this category

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. Technologies like cloud computing networks. Some of the

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data issues like data provenance and then some of the

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broader issues came up in some of our earlier conversations

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here. Legal interoperability in legal frameworks, out of

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those work, general investments in infrastructure are examples of

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some of the interest groups. As I said,

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the function of interest groups is to reach some consensus

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on how to proceed and a the common mechanism that

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is to establish a working group with a specific tasking

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And a 12 to 18 month timeline to achieve a

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delivery able suppose an interest group proposes a case study

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that's reviewed by the council and if approved, the

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working group is formed and launched with a specific deliverable

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. So when you get down to it, the

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question, what is hard to do. It forms

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working groups that produce technical papers that maybe Sanders for

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adoption, may be deployed infrastructure and tools and resources

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policy that can be adopted, best practices and guidelines

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and so on. Those are the things the tangibles

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that emerged from the working group. There are not

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in current and emerging working groups. You can see

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here some exams from that set. No. All

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right. So, so who's the R. D

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. A. While their individual members uh and anybody's

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enjoyment. You just have to share the principles of

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the R. D. A. You can join

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on their website, their organizational members who join the

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R. D. A. And you are on

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special menu. You actually are members already. Uh

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The first player in the meeting of the day was

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held Governor Sweden back in March of last year,

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the second plenary in Washington D. C. In

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september about 200 participants in That meeting, representing 23

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countries from around the world and the next planet recession

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is in Dublin Ireland in mid March of the coming

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years. So join us and participate in this endeavour

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to launch a global data infrastructure and you can do

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that visiting the website so that gives you a sense

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of the research data lines. Thanks question. Our

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next speaker will be permanent National Heritage Preservation Consortium partner

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. And I actually work at the University of North

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texas and associate dean. They're working with martin.

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Right? They I M. P. C.

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Is what I'm here to talk about today as the

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current chair of the steering committee of the So this

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image is actually a visualization of links among websites within

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a web archive. But I think it's also good

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illustration of the BBC big dots our member organizations and

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all the linking between is how we work together group

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in very different ways for very different kinds of projects

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that the PC embodies the characteristics of working together.

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We're noncompetitive, our interactions help when members need help

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. We share strategies and best practices. We collaborate

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on the development and sharing tools. We do so

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much together as a group and blending together asking interest

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. I think that one of the best testimonials community

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spirit, one of our retirees work the glory of

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Iceland. Told me I'm tired. The only thing

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I miss about working as the eye can see there

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are many of us in the field that mm So

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why we work together, we have a common purpose

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and a shared vision. One of our members I

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think said it beautifully when he said how researchers in

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50 or 100 years understand us and our culture and

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times without having access to the web of today.

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As you all know, the web has been incredibly

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influential in our so that common purpose is preserving,

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making it accessible now in the future. So um

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our collaborations are so successful wine and I asked this

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that some of our family members and other members and

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why is it that we can work together so well

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? And was surprising in addition to that idea,

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you know, purpose shared purpose was, we're nice

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to each other which I thought was quite an interesting

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response. but one person said, you know,

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we come from many different cultures and languages were represented

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around the world. And that important premise from the

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very beginning is that would be nice to each other

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and recognize that we have differences and that will help

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us work together. And I think it is partly

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why been successful for Just to give you a few

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basic facts. The PC started in 2003 with about

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10 national library and the imminent on 2013, our

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10th anniversary. We spent, not just this year

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at our General Assembly reflecting on what we've done in

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the past decade and then planning for the coming decade

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, we now have about 46 members. That changes

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National Libraries and Archives. These are institutional members.

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We don't. Did you? Yes. National Archives

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Libraries, University profits service providers. Our main event

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is our General assembly that we hold every year.

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And just to give you an idea of our structure

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. We are very, very light organizations. We

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have an elected steering committee. Are, was the

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leftist steering committee. The steering committee elects a chair

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for the year and then we hire and supervise the

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our universe. During that time we organized they were

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other, common interest. Many of our open day

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analytics. And there is a proposal out right now

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asking for papers for that open day. So I

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paper submitted from this world. Um this this graph

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membership, we built community and started our general assemblies

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and involved a different group. Then technically focused,

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we began focusing more on collections in collection bill.

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researchers and research institute as we moved into those,

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just some examples of very small examples of recruiting examples

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of the way that development real actresses started this past

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year. Everyone in the community felt like it was

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time about this and it's moving forward. Our members

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are supplying, understand. We also want heritage caller

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and other resources from our website, consultative help with

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managing. Yes, this gives a sort of a

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wrath of our correct membership. Received very well represented

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in the northern hemisphere. Show of the way.

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. We're working on trying to grab those communities as

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well those areas of the world. You're concerned that

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the web is there a is may not preserved.

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Don't begin to get some those areas our educational efforts

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. We do tutorials and presentations at a variety of

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kinds of conference. We also sponsor doctoral student and

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web archiving. That student has the opportunity then to

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work at member sites hands on during their their education

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years. We do staffing, change exchanges, that's

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wheat months time. And some of our members who

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have actually been involved in that. I said that

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it's really often a career changing our face to face

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opportunities. We find intensive seminars and that's what there's

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yes collaborative collection building. Um This is something that's

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really born from the grassroots of the organization. A

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curator at a member institution since an email out to

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our mailing list, it says this is a topic

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that I would really like to see a collection built

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and then everyone that wants to participate. Volunteers.

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We have a nomination tool community uses that was developed

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and is hosted at the university texas and we could

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quickly set up a project and then people from around

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the world can contribute C. U R L.

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S that sure as we work together. We also

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here's some examples around topics that work. We also

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do this sometimes in countries send us ones as well

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. So here's an example of one that was polls

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by the National Library of the Champion Public. Yeah

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. Phone calls have with some really fun side to

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go and see. As you can see Republic short

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trousers. Yeah. The press that he got into

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a running kind of back and forth joke about it

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site was asking that everyone roll up their trousers in

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the remembrance and celebration of him. Mm. Yes

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, exactly. Yeah. Some of it was more

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important than that. The obituaries that appeared at him

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around the world were remarks. Yeah, different focused

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as they appeared. Yes. And other places.

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Yeah. The U. S. Collaboration what he

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wants in the U. S. Has been are

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in the term around the U. S. President

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in terms 2008 The Us National Archives made the announcement

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that would not be capturing at the end of the

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Bush administration. Our members us got together said we're

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Do this and we get it again in 2012.

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Better in 2012 we got yeah. Members and students

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at university classes to nominate CQ or elsewhere that we're

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trying enlightening. They helped us nominate a lot of

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social media that us government websites now use facebook.

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It's quicker. All kinds of things that they're setting

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up. It's not just anymore. Um This is

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our website, there's a lot more information about it

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. Enlightenment comment visit. We're always looking for new

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members who share our basic this championship. You can't

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nation mary pet is our current program and communications officer

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. As I said at the british Library. Now

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, this is also thank you very much. Next

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. We're going to go to and scare of the

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jacoby against. Yes, He started that. I

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know. Mhm. Mhm. Partner. Your quick

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Williams. All right. So as most of you

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probably know right now on Catherine Skinner from the uh

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education Institute and the executive director of what is a

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very small by the one C three organization with very

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specific yeah. And that purpose really is about the

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mind. So The founding of copia happened in 2006

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and it was founded because there were a group of

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at that time southeastern institutions that were working together research

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libraries that we're working together and working together very closely

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with amazing collaborations going on on several. Yes.

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Um We also had a couple of international things happening

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that there were there were multiple fronts under which we

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were doing collaborations that were too rich to take.

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And we all knew as we talked about that kind

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of magic that was happening in several of these projects

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, that magic is temperamental and it's subject to change

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at the had if you don't take measures to.

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And we decided that particularly for some of the more

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mature programs that we were working on, we needed

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something that could bridge are pure institutions into a true

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network that had a neutral center so that we were

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not relying on one of our member institutions to take

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more of the administrative leave or administrative leave or more

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of the control or have to take in money on

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behalf of the other institutions are doing. And the

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other things that are ball when you're working in a

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community of players who all want to have equal footing

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, voiced equal investment. So edgy copia was our

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lightweight solution now for those of you who have ever

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tried Found at 501 Z that's not like, yeah

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. Um, it is a very, very taxing

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process and we were very blessed that martin Albert,

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who was the lead of many of those projects in

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a grant funds Space was willing to take the initiative

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to found the final 1 C3 and go through the

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pain of doing so in order to give us the

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space from which operates. So I've been charged with

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building and I stick very closely to the principles that

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guided it's found, I'm not meant to be anything

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bulking and then to be very lightweight and my staff

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is meant to be very lightweight. We form a

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core that can help to bind other groups together,

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but that itself should be able to be reduced from

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the picture at about causing any damage to the programs

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that us. So with that in mind and it's

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kind of a seat uh, thing to try to

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fulfill with that in mind. That archive cooperative is

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the first program that was placed under EDUC as it

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was brought up. There was the main inspiration for

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founding, but archives, as many notes as you

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are, just digital preservation practitioners, is one of

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the first digital preservation solutions. I am one of

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the only community owned and truly, there a lot

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of things that call themselves community based. It is

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a truly community based endeavor. It is owned and

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controlled entirely by its member organizations And there's memory organizations

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include about 60 members at this point, international angle

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represented on three continents. Um, and it is

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a wonderful community, very invested players that has server

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of the structure. How's the local knowledge, including

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the administrators who govern those servers that allow us all

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to maintain a degree of neutrality from each other at

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the same time as we are highly interdependent to get

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back to political events. Yes, you can uh

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we do entirely depend on one another, but we

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also depend on the principles that locks has embodied so

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many thanks to the stanford locks program which provides the

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framework upon which we built our own uh net and

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it basically makes it possible for a group of institutions

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to enter into a strong trust relationship with one another

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, recognizing that one of the things that they gain

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by leaning on each other is geographical distribution on one

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hand, but also making sure that there is no

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one central point of failure, including which is probably

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the top type of failure that we're all going to

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experience as Yeah, the space. So with the

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archive as a model, what Fujiko pia was positioned

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to do and what I think has done successfully so

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far, hopefully will be continuing to do so for

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a long. Um, is we set up a

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cloud infrastructure that allows us to neutrally again, without

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me having a huge office with servers and things that

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everybody has to pay for jointly. Um Instead Matt

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Schultz who is here and has helped organized and Matt

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Shultz serves as the program manager grab. We work

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with all of our member institutions to form the actual

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network, the physical not and the central components of

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it, which you do have to have government are

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all kept in this meeting the space so that if

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tomorrow he needed to go away for any reason I

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can hand it to end in my numbers, I

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can hand it to the university of texas, I

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can he had a daughter university um I can hand

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it to the consultancy here in Barcelona. I can

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hand it to anybody who is part of our network

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and it can safely, so that kind of principle

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guides, not just uh archive also a number of

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programs that are growing out of this space, partially

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because evidently I get bored in needs to do.

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Um really I don't get bored and I really don't

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need new things to do. I think I've learned

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that I have a problem saying um, the library

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Publishing Coalition, which touches in the area of visual

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reservation and then we'll come closer to reality. Coming

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years is a relatively new program that we brought up

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. The same core principle guides what we're doing there

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. We are lightweight facilitators. I have one staff

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member who serves as the core program manager. Her

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name is Sarah listen, cottage cheese bread blessed with

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brightness. Uh, and she serves as the main

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glue that binds 60 institutions seem to like 16 institutions

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who all came together to seed fund an initiative to

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found, well not found coalition, but had said

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to study whether or not we needed to found a

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coalition to better understand what we mean by the term

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library publishing, which is increasingly being used by our

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university libraries and also to hopefully refine what we mean

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by that. So that's another one of my programs

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at this point. I also do a lot of

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consulting, that's how I pay for myself. So

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if anyone needs consultant please come to me. I

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consult with a lot of groups. Matt also does

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a little bit consulting on the digital preservation side.

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I also conduct a number of research projects were generously

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funded by the H by the I. M.

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L. S. Uh, and by the Library

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of Congress. They were popular agreement and I also

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have advance as evidenced by this event today, which

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is not mine in creation. Um, but I

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have provided the administrative support to make sure that it

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all comes together at least adequately to support all of

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us here for this conversation, educate these board is

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also lightweight and it's also as diverse as we could

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make it as we were founding it. This will

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likely diversify over the next couple of years because we

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need some different voices at the table and I'll talk

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just a moment. The current board is comprised of

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martin Albert, who is the president, who also

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forces one of course coordinators of committee for two and

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for enough, David Seaman is our vice president from

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Dartmouth University. Title Walters is our treasurer and he's

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at Virginia Tech. Of course, Rachel Bowser is

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at University of Wisconsin. She services are secretary and

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Greg Crane, You many of you know, from

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the Perseus project at Tufts University is our number at

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large. Um and that group of five people have

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worked together to shepherd us through the 1st 6.5,

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7 years of our work together. And one of

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the things that I've loved about this group is that

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it represents a number of different perspectives in and of

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itself, it represents certainly the library perspective, That's

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an easy one. The academic elaborate respect also brings

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with it a focus on data. Tyler especially has

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been paying more and more attention on the down side

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of things. It brings us community colleges, Rachel

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Bowser is best known for her work on the scalp

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, which you should check out if you have never

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heard of it. It's another powerful collaborative model um

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that serves mainly the community college environment, but it's

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a very important environment. It's a good thing that

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she's paid attention. And then Great Crane represents one

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of the pioneers of digital humanities and change. Um

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and so that has been a good core group to

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study academically focused projects. But again, uh only

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I like big things because my interests are taking more

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across sector now. I'm really interested in where the

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nexus points are between our field and other fields and

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I'm not alone, and that's thank goodness. Um

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, but I'm increasingly interested in the voices that I'm

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hearing less of and I'm increasingly studying that, and

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hopefully as we continue to do more work in the

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future, also called not some of the voices that

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are governing the board of that, I should point

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out that the board of a Jacoby a does not

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control programs. So there's a steering committee comprised of

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my member institutions for the metal artifact, cooper,

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David Drummond, not. Uh, and likewise,

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in the library publishing coalition, which right now is

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100 project that doesn't actually launches coalition until 2015.

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Uh, but when it does launch it too will

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have its own infrastructure that it is dependent on its

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members because that's right, bullshit because it so I

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mislabeled the slide and I was so embarrassed that I

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did that it's not the nexus project, that's my

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newest project, which obviously is on my mind right

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now because I'm behind on a deadline for it.

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Um, what they should say is the iconic project

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, which is the identifying continuing opportunities for collaboration uh

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, project that the Library of Congress funded me to

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do a fundamental appropriate to do for them. And

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of course the last year we were charged to do

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two things in this project. One of those things

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was to go and study what the uh, what

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the s a National Digital stewardship Association has done.

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National stewardship Alliance has done over the first three years

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of its existence. As many of you know,

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that's the Library of Congress based there. The secretary

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for the organizations of mainly US focused national group that

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is studying digital restoration issues. And I was asked

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to look at their first three years, identify gaps

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and opportunities and think about the collaborative models that are

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. Yeah. And as part of that, what

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they wanted me to do was research to see what

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kinds of things are happening at the state level across

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the United States. So this is very much of

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us focused. Um, but what we have done

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and of course this project is we've chronicled 211 unique

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activities that are taking place in 1856 organizations or organizational

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structures, mostly again us based and we've produced a

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data set. That is a truly remarkable thing that

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I can't take credit for Christina Drummond, who is

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my lead researcher and who is also from U.

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N. T. Where there is a fount of

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talent. I had her as a contractor on this

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on this project. She's done a beautiful job putting

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together a relational database in Excel. Which is a

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little bit of trick. We use a lot of

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pivot table, it's not quite a relational database but

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it's as close as we can get what is in

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that, you know, at this point the pilot

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project and I would love to show one little bit

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if there's any way Tyler that we can click on

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that highlighted and make it live and if we can

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fabulous if we can itself I didn't make it a

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live link which was my mistake. If we can

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00:35:12.510 --> 00:35:15.510 A:middle L:90%
copy and paste a what we're doing is we're mapping

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that data at this point. So we were talking

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uh in some sessions in the action sessions about ways

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that it would be wonderful to be able to actually

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map out and see some of the activities that are

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happening. We can only see that in a limited

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view in the U. S. Perspective, I'll

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describe it, this will be coming soon. Um

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but what is powerful I um what what is powerful

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about the matter is that it's a cross sector map

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. So it shows the academic activity around collaborative digital

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reservation. It also shows other sectors like the government

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sector and the museum sector and different groups that are

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players in this broader. So those findings will be

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up very very soon. If any moment, like

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the link, come see me or email me in

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00:36:05.139 --> 00:36:07.199 A:middle L:90%
the background and I'll share it with you. This

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is still in early stages of pilot projects will be

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rolling out at CNN. So it's an example of

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00:36:13.309 --> 00:36:14.940 A:middle L:90%
some of the work that we're trying to jail and

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00:36:14.940 --> 00:36:15.829 A:middle L:90%
some of the documentation that I think we need as

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a field in order to understand where we are today

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so that we know where we can build next.

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So hopefully this map will help us see some of

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the activities of some of the opportunities that we have

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00:36:24.989 --> 00:36:30.539 A:middle L:90%
before us. Yeah, absolutely. Our point speaker

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is your opinion with the Austrian Institute of Technology is

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when give us a quick brief on the scape.

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00:36:38.730 --> 00:36:58.159 A:middle L:90%
Yes, this is okay. One side thought we

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wow. So yeah. Yes my name is um

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and I think the only one on the panel doesn't

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have a single focus or the others kindly agreed to

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00:37:12.590 --> 00:37:15.739 A:middle L:90%
let me shift focus, which means that right.

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00:37:15.630 --> 00:37:21.989 A:middle L:90%
So I am a freelance bank Manager under state Project

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for AI No, you just walk about each one

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of us because they're all eggs project oriented organization fall

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short term and what we do actually right. Project

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00:37:35.019 --> 00:37:39.659 A:middle L:90%
which is Ethiopia this beyond. So also back worries

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00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:45.730 A:middle L:90%
about my idea why we have the american what through

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00:37:45.730 --> 00:37:50.010 A:middle L:90%
the course, But I think I Mhm. So

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I've been in in the digital library business for that

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00:37:53.730 --> 00:38:05.690 A:middle L:90%
years now starting with mhm called researchers 12 um started

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with the digitization. Mhm Central and state Life burning

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and move on library. No, the ultra national

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Library where I focused more on then moved on.

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Mhm access. I wrote one of the first two

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projects for european, european then moved to a as

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a full employee to actually leave the technical work package

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00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:45.320 A:middle L:90%
in european hands. Uh then local questions for a

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00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:53.949 A:middle L:90%
start and since Yeah, Memorial is focused on uh

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00:38:54.719 --> 00:39:00.900 A:middle L:90%
the skating project. Yeah. And last year last

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00:39:00.909 --> 00:39:07.250 A:middle L:90%
three nights. So it is funding for you company

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, state owned and yes, out of sight.

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This is we saw Yeah. And they have fighting

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00:39:21.269 --> 00:39:27.309 A:middle L:90%
very different big departments, you know, security,

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00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:30.809 A:middle L:90%
safety and security that used to be called Digital Memory

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00:39:30.820 --> 00:39:35.840 A:middle L:90%
Engineering which made unless yes, all in your head

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00:39:35.849 --> 00:39:39.969 A:middle L:90%
, which sounds strange. We're now called next generation

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00:39:39.980 --> 00:39:44.449 A:middle L:90%
contact management systems. Uh, we are a group

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in the really athletes three years and led by mentioned

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you right. You know, and we do right

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things. Yeah, I believe. And so the

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state party, my only flight is a now 44

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months long project instance. It's really big. We

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have 20 from these rooms. Yeah, Cool.

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Um, and what I'm wonder what is that?

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About half of has he always quickly have had nothing

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to do with? Is that before? Yeah.

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Flying through the rest for example. Yeah. University

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00:40:38.110 --> 00:40:45.710 A:middle L:90%
. Yeah. Is one no. Okay. Things

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00:40:45.710 --> 00:40:49.030 A:middle L:90%
means we have a lot of diverse, which makes

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00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:52.940 A:middle L:90%
well as for the project. Really interesting. Okay

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00:40:53.909 --> 00:40:57.679 A:middle L:90%
. Talk across the border. And so I was

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important. We have we're we have a number of

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00:41:06.510 --> 00:41:10.659 A:middle L:90%
the project which units in themselves but there is a

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00:41:10.659 --> 00:41:15.639 A:middle L:90%
lot of Okay, this is where my slide.

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We have four chest pants, web content, large

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scale repositories. Maybe that lives in that We have

617
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research data sets. So the S. P.

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F. C. Yes, aerial photo like yesterday

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there. And since this september when you can't let

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represent data. Uh huh. And those four adjustments

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basically. Uh well we call them stories. They

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give us stories and the preservation problems they face and

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those feeding. It's a question done. Yeah.

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Which is what you would expect if you know the

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last diagram and that had Yeah, make him watch

626
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. So we have, I'm finding just that was

627
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new faith that what it is lets you watch the

628
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web for certain times. Right. Okay. And

629
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then you can ask the questions. What's really nice

630
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about that is you can also ask questions what color

631
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you have on your association. All right, feeding

632
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the right sources guys. Very nice. So then

633
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we have a policy reference. The idea is that

634
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we take is its policies, we break them down

635
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to a level where you can actually feed them into

636
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if you're interested and Barbara ratings and then we also

637
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have ultimate, um, Maybe. Well you've probably

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heard of little. We now have straight four.

639
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Um, I am. Yes. So that's,

640
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that's 101. Yeah. To the preservation components,

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which is what you expect this characterization action service.

642
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Okay. What here is what we do in products

643
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and insurance is we what we've done something. If

644
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we look at the data, I make sure that

645
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follow what we expect. Right. Long ways control

646
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and those two languages, what we call the platform

647
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. We try to avoid the work cloud there.

648
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It's our main one is the Duke based. We

649
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:57.449 A:middle L:90%
also Microsoft research in America. Mhm. You're you're

650
00:43:57.449 --> 00:44:01.039 A:middle L:90%
trying to combine these approaches? Ah We also,

651
00:44:01.050 --> 00:44:05.909 A:middle L:90%
we always say Microsoft company but they always tell us

652
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nowhere research institute and I'm part of plaques of platform

653
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:19.420 A:middle L:90%
is twice what positive that the problem great having right

654
00:44:19.789 --> 00:44:23.789 A:middle L:90%
both reservation components and that time there are very nice

655
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because we interact with with organizations outside. So three

656
00:44:30.210 --> 00:44:32.309 A:middle L:90%
We are using is Fedora based and a lot of

657
00:44:32.309 --> 00:44:36.559 A:middle L:90%
things that we do go into Dora. So they

658
00:44:36.570 --> 00:44:40.250 A:middle L:90%
live on after the project. I the preservation components

659
00:44:40.250 --> 00:44:44.260 A:middle L:90%
. What they do is they first what they did

660
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but we're on what they did was first went out

661
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looked whether other people have done what we wanted already

662
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, whether we could advance that instead of creating you

663
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, creating new. But the idea was always uh

664
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Yeah. Ah So if all of that runs inescapable

665
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way preferably on the we then send it back to

666
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Chester's who are on the one side. Magic evaluate

667
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that's important country. But we also have currently in

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the process of station sites, they're fine. And

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europe where you can actually go and have people show

670
00:45:27.929 --> 00:45:34.719 A:middle L:90%
you I'm what we've well with the things that so

671
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.210 A:middle L:90%
my last point is the O. P. F

672
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. So obviously that's just for always some project,

673
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the cross project sub projects. And we have the

674
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thing that nation part where we have proper dissemination training

675
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room and then we went, we have we have

676
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what we call sustainability, uh both training and sustainability

677
00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:04.090 A:middle L:90%
Ethiopia's historically responsible for. And the nice thing about

678
00:46:04.449 --> 00:46:08.199 A:middle L:90%
it is that we do in practice especially around software

679
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and we don't just do for project, we do

680
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it in a way that okay, use it Set

681
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up a whole chain of two. Everything I think

682
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that it's open source goes on to Ethiopia, we'd

683
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have account then we have automatic building respect, we

684
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all all of that process good for the project will

685
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sustain okay, any signal is developed from Europeans afterwards

686
00:46:43.820 --> 00:46:47.030 A:middle L:90%
and anything that you afterwards go through that process,

687
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:52.710 A:middle L:90%
for instance, that I'm really happy about doesn't have

688
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to die after the project is over. All right

689
00:46:58.619 --> 00:47:00.510 A:middle L:90%
, Thank you. Yoko. Mhm. So that's

690
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some backgrounds on our organizations and projects in the next

691
00:47:04.530 --> 00:47:07.719 A:middle L:90%
few questions for our analysts and the underlying presumption by

692
00:47:07.730 --> 00:47:15.190 A:middle L:90%
all these questions are notions of alignment between these organizations

693
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and what would it take for some of these organizations

694
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to align? He's obviously the er institutions organizations and

695
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:24.539 A:middle L:90%
projects represented here, who are the lining and collaborating

696
00:47:24.539 --> 00:47:29.320 A:middle L:90%
over minister even bigger picture as these kinds of multi

697
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:34.800 A:middle L:90%
institutional organizations kind line. So we're going to have

698
00:47:35.179 --> 00:47:38.679 A:middle L:90%
ask questions and these are mentioned as conversation starters up

699
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:40.269 A:middle L:90%
here, we definitely want all of you to join

700
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in. So I'm going to try to keep one

701
00:47:42.429 --> 00:47:44.550 A:middle L:90%
eye on the room, raise your hand if you'd

702
00:47:44.550 --> 00:47:45.610 A:middle L:90%
like to join it and after a while if you

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00:47:45.610 --> 00:47:47.150 A:middle L:90%
don't, we're going to pause and look at all

704
00:47:47.150 --> 00:47:49.699 A:middle L:90%
of you and we're going to make sure you do

705
00:47:49.699 --> 00:47:51.949 A:middle L:90%
participate. So so far this conference, we've not

706
00:47:51.949 --> 00:47:54.920 A:middle L:90%
had a problem with heavy conversation so hopefully this will

707
00:47:54.920 --> 00:48:00.369 A:middle L:90%
continue. So with our first question I just really

708
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have oftentimes alignment and collaboration does not unless they are

709
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determined to be economically advantageous to do so. Please

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00:48:07.530 --> 00:48:10.239 A:middle L:90%
describe some of the economic elements you foresee needing to

711
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:14.789 A:middle L:90%
be in place for your organization to work with organizations

712
00:48:15.170 --> 00:48:22.280 A:middle L:90%
. Sorry. Right. First. So I have

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kind of an interesting problem in terms of economics of

714
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:30.090 A:middle L:90%
a global data grid ability to create that is that

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this has to be market driven, important. Why

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? And so, for example, with the Internet

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engineering task force, the Internet variety of major,

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like Cisco and juniper and others participated. Because their

719
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business model depends the network infrastructure that emerges from the

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the standards that I the same thing is going to

721
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be true with respect to the idea global data grid

722
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. The data storage providers, the software preservation systems

723
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. All right. So on the network services providers

724
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, their business models depend on practices and standards that

725
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emerge. If they view the work of the idea

726
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is contributing to creating competitive, open global markets.

727
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They can participate, their business interests, drive them

728
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to contribute to and participate in the Arda if they

729
00:49:28.380 --> 00:49:30.280 A:middle L:90%
see them as violating their business model, they'll strongly

730
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yes for those of us who are in the data

731
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, commercial vendors and developers will not develop the systems

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that support the processes that we're trying to drive.

733
00:49:46.070 --> 00:49:50.159 A:middle L:90%
How then we can't be successful. So the bottom

734
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.699 A:middle L:90%
line here is that commercial vendors have to be at

735
00:49:53.070 --> 00:49:57.349 A:middle L:90%
participants in the work of the research state alliance and

736
00:49:57.349 --> 00:50:00.329 A:middle L:90%
they have to be driven by an economic model versus

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the whole agreed in which those the department with the

738
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end of this year, I think different one of

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I remember organism our that is violent resources steve and

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it has to be has there models? It has

741
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to fit mission is what their purpose is. And

742
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I think most of our members there are are interested

743
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in for profit and that communities that mostly it's where

744
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cultural member memory institutions, but it has to fit

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an admission person. National Life said so. I

746
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think that the fact that we are very light organs

747
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or self was not resources. It's awful person.

748
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Yeah. Well, in kind of a further highlight

749
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mhm. Maybe one of the greatest liabilities that the

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are these two needs to and quickly if it's going

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u five large in the next generation is its aversion

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to business models and to economics as a driving factor

753
00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:47.170 A:middle L:90%
. Not in terms of limits. Yes, enough

754
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money in terms of actually following their own business themselves

755
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to have. I don't it is an uncomfortable place

756
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to be then. So is collaboration for our research

757
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institutions and parent just going to talk libraries and some

758
00:52:10.059 --> 00:52:13.380 A:middle L:90%
changes that I can work even just over the last

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years. The last scene is in life. Sure

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. As I grim closer to that myself, the

761
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at the base it's the academic market likes to.

762
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We are all in hierarchical arrangements and making factors are

763
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not economics. The mitigating factors, our reputation,

764
00:52:38.230 --> 00:52:44.679 A:middle L:90%
our publications of the scholars to the library stuff.

765
00:52:45.449 --> 00:52:50.210 A:middle L:90%
Um, they're they're very different motivating factors than what

766
00:52:50.219 --> 00:52:53.460 A:middle L:90%
motivates most economically viable businesses. Um, most businesses

767
00:52:53.469 --> 00:52:58.210 A:middle L:90%
go out of business. This is that our academic

768
00:52:58.210 --> 00:53:00.929 A:middle L:90%
institutions have. So, and this is part of

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the reason why the having has been in part of

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public good. It's been funded by the states have

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been funded by nations. All right. Um,

772
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:14.820 A:middle L:90%
this is not something that could have existed without taxpayer

773
00:53:14.829 --> 00:53:19.550 A:middle L:90%
dollars and were increasingly in a moment where economic viability

774
00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:23.769 A:middle L:90%
of our institutions relies on us breaking our orders,

775
00:53:23.900 --> 00:53:28.289 A:middle L:90%
where we used to like to compete much more than

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00:53:28.289 --> 00:53:30.860 A:middle L:90%
we like to collaborate. We're starting to collaborate more

777
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and more and more and more natural. And I

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think part of the reason is because we're feeling that

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punch and it has motivated us to break out of

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some of that end of us. I would argue

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that we aren't going far enough fast enough and that

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economic viability on the one hand, as as the

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question suggests, alignment collaboration demands some level of economic

784
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backing in order to make them happen. I would

785
00:53:55.750 --> 00:54:00.289 A:middle L:90%
argue that either we collaborate and find new economic models

786
00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:04.659 A:middle L:90%
in our collaborations with each other and find ways of

787
00:54:04.659 --> 00:54:07.289 A:middle L:90%
showing our value to audiences or else we're going to

788
00:54:07.289 --> 00:54:10.159 A:middle L:90%
have a whole lot of others selling us the services

789
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:15.409 A:middle L:90%
but selling ourselves. So I think it's the economic

790
00:54:15.409 --> 00:54:25.059 A:middle L:90%
viability of our various his own collaborate the zone you

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00:54:25.940 --> 00:54:32.320 A:middle L:90%
and which stuff we are saying on Yes, what

792
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:36.539 A:middle L:90%
they call this everything, you know? Yeah.

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And we Get 30 funding from project. 30%.

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Funding from Commission Work. I don't even Only when

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00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:51.199 A:middle L:90%
we get 40%. And with that 40 we can

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basically follow up things that we've done is that we

797
00:54:58.190 --> 00:55:01.539 A:middle L:90%
don't have a project for you and collaborate. Uh

798
00:55:01.539 --> 00:55:04.760 A:middle L:90%
I don't think we also have something called over.

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I wish you guess what it is about. He's

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about 40%. And sometimes parts of the company,

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00:55:15.539 --> 00:55:19.260 A:middle L:90%
they're not very good at getting projects at certain times

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00:55:19.269 --> 00:55:22.699 A:middle L:90%
. Whereas other parts do is always a question of

803
00:55:22.699 --> 00:55:25.059 A:middle L:90%
where you go, was it? But it does

804
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:30.730 A:middle L:90%
let us get into standards body. Yes. Member

805
00:55:30.730 --> 00:55:34.610 A:middle L:90%
of the old I think the general idea is a

806
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good one. Mhm. Work out twice. But

807
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:45.710 A:middle L:90%
yes, waves of go back. Yeah. Some

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things money. The United States. I was still

809
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open to love. I would love to hear your

810
00:56:00.449 --> 00:56:02.960 A:middle L:90%
thoughts about where you think this conference should go.

811
00:56:04.530 --> 00:56:07.349 A:middle L:90%
In terms of do we need to form working groups

812
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:08.110 A:middle L:90%
? Is this group at the point where it could

813
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:12.010 A:middle L:90%
form working groups to do some. We put up

814
00:56:12.010 --> 00:56:15.250 A:middle L:90%
the sign up sheet at the front. What Bruce

815
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Based on your experience resounding? Yes. So for

816
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example, and so anticipated Some of the C four

817
00:56:28.170 --> 00:56:32.179 A:middle L:90%
projects. Yeah. Whole business of trying to come

818
00:56:32.179 --> 00:56:37.530 A:middle L:90%
to the remote and then you have Yeah. Models

819
00:56:37.539 --> 00:56:42.599 A:middle L:90%
that distributed digital preservation in the life. Where is

820
00:56:42.610 --> 00:56:46.809 A:middle L:90%
a model? Seems extremely well working there. So

821
00:56:46.809 --> 00:56:51.179 A:middle L:90%
I heard wide variety of things here. That would

822
00:56:51.179 --> 00:56:53.349 A:middle L:90%
make sense in terms of working groups that would contribute

823
00:56:53.360 --> 00:57:00.429 A:middle L:90%
to the global money of the door. While the

824
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:04.159 A:middle L:90%
research state alliances focused initially on research, right.

825
00:57:04.730 --> 00:57:09.030 A:middle L:90%
Dream Infrastructure that moves digital objects from one No to

826
00:57:09.030 --> 00:57:12.920 A:middle L:90%
another. Can be applied to any digital logic,

827
00:57:12.929 --> 00:57:16.900 A:middle L:90%
whether it's text, video and audio or numbers and

828
00:57:16.900 --> 00:57:22.050 A:middle L:90%
symbols, All of those things. Suicide ecology,

829
00:57:22.050 --> 00:57:24.809 A:middle L:90%
the technique disaster. No, I think that all

830
00:57:24.809 --> 00:57:31.849 A:middle L:90%
of those things are actually something called the work would

831
00:57:31.860 --> 00:57:44.019 A:middle L:90%
be with extremely well under the frank mom have to

832
00:57:44.019 --> 00:57:51.739 A:middle L:90%
see it. Working groups form trusted members and this

833
00:57:52.329 --> 00:57:55.539 A:middle L:90%
interest from the folks that are here obviously. Mhm

834
00:57:58.730 --> 00:58:01.780 A:middle L:90%
. For our working groups has to be an interest

835
00:58:01.780 --> 00:58:07.590 A:middle L:90%
that follow through on someone. I think yesterday said

836
00:58:07.590 --> 00:58:09.739 A:middle L:90%
in the session. Okay, we're here. This

837
00:58:09.739 --> 00:58:13.860 A:middle L:90%
is a great idea home and it sort of begins

838
00:58:13.860 --> 00:58:16.130 A:middle L:90%
to diminish in that way. So it needs to

839
00:58:16.139 --> 00:58:20.230 A:middle L:90%
march with the mission of your university or urine.

840
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:25.000 A:middle L:90%
There have to sustain has to be a true the

841
00:58:25.010 --> 00:58:34.250 A:middle L:90%
strong interest for it. Word. Mhm Yeah.

842
00:58:34.619 --> 00:58:36.610 A:middle L:90%
Nominated Congressman, Congressman. But I want another one

843
00:58:37.989 --> 00:58:38.929 A:middle L:90%
said. The reason we formed the idea is we

844
00:58:38.929 --> 00:58:43.099 A:middle L:90%
got tired going to conferences and agreement. We needed

845
00:58:43.099 --> 00:58:45.710 A:middle L:90%
to act going on too. And so enough of

846
00:58:45.710 --> 00:58:51.300 A:middle L:90%
that working groups form, they have a test Deliverable

847
00:58:51.300 --> 00:58:54.750 A:middle L:90%
in 12 months and we made progress. And part

848
00:58:54.750 --> 00:58:59.639 A:middle L:90%
of it is that we agreed we're Yeah. Agreement

849
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:01.179 A:middle L:90%
that happens at the beginning. Not at the And

850
00:59:01.179 --> 00:59:05.590 A:middle L:90%
so it must be adoptable. So don't go home

851
00:59:05.590 --> 00:59:07.349 A:middle L:90%
from this conference and do nothing. Go home from

852
00:59:07.349 --> 00:59:13.619 A:middle L:90%
this conference and do the work place china and say

853
00:59:13.619 --> 00:59:15.960 A:middle L:90%
I I to agree. I think there are already

854
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:20.250 A:middle L:90%
are working groups. What we don't have is Mhm

855
00:59:21.019 --> 00:59:22.920 A:middle L:90%
. And part of the reason for that is because

856
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:24.389 A:middle L:90%
so far this has been a very experimental stages.

857
00:59:24.690 --> 00:59:29.750 A:middle L:90%
So, the 2011 event purpose of that as to

858
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:31.150 A:middle L:90%
measure interest. Is there enough interest at this point

859
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:35.639 A:middle L:90%
in aligning our activities across town? Grace, can

860
00:59:35.650 --> 00:59:39.349 A:middle L:90%
we be comfortable coming together across the national library community

861
00:59:39.349 --> 00:59:42.789 A:middle L:90%
, the research library community, and perhaps a couple

862
00:59:42.789 --> 00:59:45.010 A:middle L:90%
of other sectors to talk about ways to do that

863
00:59:45.019 --> 00:59:50.670 A:middle L:90%
. And we bounded that conversation. So, and

864
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:52.559 A:middle L:90%
the conversation. You don't want it. You'll do

865
00:59:52.570 --> 00:59:58.030 A:middle L:90%
the 47, you know, moses delivered the 47

866
00:59:58.030 --> 01:00:00.360 A:middle L:90%
commandments of what we need to go off and do

867
01:00:00.369 --> 01:00:05.230 A:middle L:90%
. Which came out about all of you participated,

868
01:00:05.710 --> 01:00:09.230 A:middle L:90%
invented those 47 pathways, and Not all of this

869
01:00:09.230 --> 01:00:14.269 A:middle L:90%
. 47 pathways are any given time. Um but

870
01:00:14.269 --> 01:00:16.440 A:middle L:90%
that action sessions highlight some of those that didn't get

871
01:00:16.449 --> 01:00:21.460 A:middle L:90%
traction. So the GDP Frameworks piece that Mad and

872
01:00:21.469 --> 01:00:24.440 A:middle L:90%
L have been working on a lot of that was

873
01:00:24.449 --> 01:00:29.989 A:middle L:90%
inspired by made possible by what's happening here in this

874
01:00:29.989 --> 01:00:32.840 A:middle L:90%
community. I think the same street for cultural never

875
01:00:32.849 --> 01:00:37.110 A:middle L:90%
steal the uh would never try to label it and

876
01:00:37.110 --> 01:00:39.059 A:middle L:90%
adapt without paul, choosing that label himself. But

877
01:00:39.070 --> 01:00:43.369 A:middle L:90%
recognize that paul has chosen not label, which means

878
01:00:43.369 --> 01:00:45.849 A:middle L:90%
that that label starting to carry some weight. I'll

879
01:00:45.849 --> 01:00:49.670 A:middle L:90%
also say that uh one of the most promising things

880
01:00:49.670 --> 01:00:52.300 A:middle L:90%
that I've seen between these two amendments is that Callie

881
01:00:52.300 --> 01:00:59.619 A:middle L:90%
stepped forward and hosted workshops without any he needed nothing

882
01:00:59.619 --> 01:01:01.409 A:middle L:90%
except the ability to do so. He was already

883
01:01:01.409 --> 01:01:06.090 A:middle L:90%
trapped patients. And he helped to organize uh two

884
01:01:06.090 --> 01:01:08.840 A:middle L:90%
workshops to help broaden the conversation to additional voices that

885
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:12.650 A:middle L:90%
could not join us in europe. Um and also

886
01:01:12.650 --> 01:01:15.969 A:middle L:90%
to test the waters for broader collaboration. So I

887
01:01:15.969 --> 01:01:17.630 A:middle L:90%
think there are already some work increases and activities that

888
01:01:17.630 --> 01:01:21.429 A:middle L:90%
are this. And the question that we need to

889
01:01:21.429 --> 01:01:23.389 A:middle L:90%
answer now is where is the authority to decide where

890
01:01:23.389 --> 01:01:29.380 A:middle L:90%
it goes next? And where is the the equity

891
01:01:29.380 --> 01:01:32.460 A:middle L:90%
or the work where the workforce is? Because we

892
01:01:32.460 --> 01:01:35.659 A:middle L:90%
will need some of those workforces? And I think

893
01:01:35.659 --> 01:01:37.769 A:middle L:90%
as long as we tap into things that people already

894
01:01:37.769 --> 01:01:40.050 A:middle L:90%
want to do like mad and l like all of

895
01:01:40.059 --> 01:01:45.380 A:middle L:90%
the initiatives that have joined that like Yeah, the

896
01:01:45.389 --> 01:01:47.829 A:middle L:90%
work that was done this is the way that I

897
01:01:47.829 --> 01:01:51.440 A:middle L:90%
think those working groups are going first and then maybe

898
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:54.869 A:middle L:90%
it will Perform 10 This week. Really interesting audience

899
01:01:54.869 --> 01:01:59.559 A:middle L:90%
and I'm really glad. Yes. Um where do

900
01:01:59.559 --> 01:02:00.269 A:middle L:90%
you want to see this guy? It's part of

901
01:02:00.269 --> 01:02:07.250 A:middle L:90%
the conversation today, so yes, it's difficult much

902
01:02:07.250 --> 01:02:10.219 A:middle L:90%
to that, but I think I yeah, you

903
01:02:10.230 --> 01:02:14.230 A:middle L:90%
were talking. I wouldn't do it. Yeah,

904
01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:22.159 A:middle L:90%
select already exist. All right. one of the

905
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:30.130 A:middle L:90%
things that always getting always too many points. This

906
01:02:30.500 --> 01:02:36.400 A:middle L:90%
understand communities all that big. We add another access

907
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:40.119 A:middle L:90%
point. Yes. So closer we can move.

908
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.429 A:middle L:90%
They are identified. Take the roots the best,

909
01:02:51.099 --> 01:02:55.860 A:middle L:90%
reassuring quickly to the economic model, encounter resources and

910
01:02:55.860 --> 01:02:59.150 A:middle L:90%
tools on there wouldn't be great. I have wanted

911
01:02:59.150 --> 01:03:02.880 A:middle L:90%
to start up companies emerged from was to life All

912
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:08.420 A:middle L:90%
right. But if there were annual session with measure

913
01:03:08.429 --> 01:03:13.199 A:middle L:90%
capitalist, the tools that are emerging and it was

914
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:16.320 A:middle L:90%
inside. Sure bottom line is you have the authority

915
01:03:16.699 --> 01:03:20.119 A:middle L:90%
. Uh huh. Your work. If you want

916
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:22.429 A:middle L:90%
work on one of these things, you should do

917
01:03:25.900 --> 01:03:30.880 A:middle L:90%
our next question in order to survive and continue offering

918
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:34.309 A:middle L:90%
services in a world that increasingly devalues the public good

919
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:37.429 A:middle L:90%
. We may need to align our organization's resources and

920
01:03:37.429 --> 01:03:39.210 A:middle L:90%
activities. 1st. Is the devaluing of the public

921
01:03:39.210 --> 01:03:43.369 A:middle L:90%
good globally signal problem. If so, then what

922
01:03:43.369 --> 01:03:45.780 A:middle L:90%
implications does this have for organizations were both within and

923
01:03:45.780 --> 01:03:54.420 A:middle L:90%
beyond their national boundaries. First, I was stunned

924
01:03:54.420 --> 01:04:00.099 A:middle L:90%
when I saw question because Yeah, I Thanks purchasing

925
01:04:01.190 --> 01:04:05.840 A:middle L:90%
. And that's right. Have a historical controversy conversation

926
01:04:05.849 --> 01:04:10.639 A:middle L:90%
. Yeah. Okay. They have to be stopped

927
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:15.449 A:middle L:90%
, but I think Mhm. Problem I thought of

928
01:04:15.460 --> 01:04:19.920 A:middle L:90%
first with still attach value to what we've done price

929
01:04:21.389 --> 01:04:28.300 A:middle L:90%
. Yeah. Mhm. And come on before the

930
01:04:28.309 --> 01:04:36.659 A:middle L:90%
conference. The question start ourselves. Perhaps how anytime

931
01:04:36.659 --> 01:04:42.210 A:middle L:90%
I talk to anyone, Okay, who has no

932
01:04:42.210 --> 01:04:45.610 A:middle L:90%
idea about what we're actually doing? They all seem

933
01:04:45.289 --> 01:04:47.599 A:middle L:90%
it's on the internet is not going to go away

934
01:04:48.889 --> 01:04:55.280 A:middle L:90%
. And I find that I really in that to

935
01:04:55.289 --> 01:04:58.489 A:middle L:90%
be easier for me to explain why motor car runs

936
01:04:58.500 --> 01:05:01.619 A:middle L:90%
then why we're doing what we're doing. And in

937
01:05:01.619 --> 01:05:06.210 A:middle L:90%
some believe that we've that is set of is that

938
01:05:06.210 --> 01:05:13.760 A:middle L:90%
wants to bring to the economic sense. So we

939
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:15.510 A:middle L:90%
have a project where we're trying to get out,

940
01:05:16.389 --> 01:05:26.219 A:middle L:90%
go ask sort into and right content systems. How

941
01:05:26.219 --> 01:05:29.409 A:middle L:90%
do always very nicely. We had the first round

942
01:05:29.889 --> 01:05:32.679 A:middle L:90%
um and then the company said so, uh you

943
01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:34.690 A:middle L:90%
know, instead of telling me how much that would

944
01:05:34.690 --> 01:05:38.840 A:middle L:90%
cost, tell me how much I say save and

945
01:05:38.849 --> 01:05:43.380 A:middle L:90%
we this is decisions. We don't know we we

946
01:05:43.389 --> 01:05:47.519 A:middle L:90%
really don't know second round that. And the police

947
01:05:47.530 --> 01:05:53.969 A:middle L:90%
told their clients go premium of yourself Saving for 10

948
01:05:53.969 --> 01:05:57.099 A:middle L:90%
years. The men's world away safely instead of born

949
01:05:57.889 --> 01:06:01.800 A:middle L:90%
. Yeah. And sometimes scanned and then we printed

950
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:08.239 A:middle L:90%
which to me sounds like a really bad waste in

951
01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:14.300 A:middle L:90%
that surrounding there's legal problems. Breathe with himself.

952
01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:19.429 A:middle L:90%
Mhm. This the value of its princess or narrative

953
01:06:19.429 --> 01:06:32.949 A:middle L:90%
. Still we have mm please problem. I can't

954
01:06:32.989 --> 01:06:40.300 A:middle L:90%
miss holy think in the US are funding agencies especially

955
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:46.730 A:middle L:90%
mm agencies. Okay call it good see increase in

956
01:06:46.730 --> 01:06:50.969 A:middle L:90%
the amount of fun institutions like the national now the

957
01:06:50.969 --> 01:06:57.800 A:middle L:90%
entities that we have and others have less dollars.

958
01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:04.070 A:middle L:90%
Yeah. Okay earlier too dollars. So we're not

959
01:07:04.070 --> 01:07:09.599 A:middle L:90%
seeing that kind of public support. I'm sorry if

960
01:07:09.610 --> 01:07:13.989 A:middle L:90%
that equates in any way. Yeah. Mhm.

961
01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:16.280 A:middle L:90%
Give lip service to it. But we need little

962
01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:23.489 A:middle L:90%
too also support behind that. Just we are seeing

963
01:07:23.489 --> 01:07:29.599 A:middle L:90%
that however with our We do see other kinds of

964
01:07:30.380 --> 01:07:34.110 A:middle L:90%
public support. Yeah. That some of our countries

965
01:07:34.110 --> 01:07:40.389 A:middle L:90%
are getting your deposit rights too content. I still

966
01:07:40.389 --> 01:07:44.199 A:middle L:90%
don't have it in the US age is fairly recent

967
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:48.909 A:middle L:90%
. Got rights legal. Yes. Yeah. Presence

968
01:07:49.780 --> 01:07:54.210 A:middle L:90%
. And so do you see those kinds of changes

969
01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:01.489 A:middle L:90%
? Sure, Recognizing that the six funding behind it

970
01:08:01.489 --> 01:08:11.949 A:middle L:90%
is still Yes. She's story. Right. And

971
01:08:11.949 --> 01:08:15.300 A:middle L:90%
that's the most rest. But one of the things

972
01:08:15.300 --> 01:08:20.600 A:middle L:90%
that I will mark that is very our libraries lives

973
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:27.500 A:middle L:90%
and our organizations on hold on all this is that

974
01:08:28.569 --> 01:08:31.779 A:middle L:90%
we don't employ some of the same mechanisms that other

975
01:08:31.779 --> 01:08:35.470 A:middle L:90%
industries deployed with great regularity. Where are lobbyists.

976
01:08:36.069 --> 01:08:39.770 A:middle L:90%
I'm not going to come to our a and let's

977
01:08:39.770 --> 01:08:43.050 A:middle L:90%
prepare some to our aid. And the only way

978
01:08:43.050 --> 01:08:45.699 A:middle L:90%
that we can afford to do that is it group

979
01:08:45.699 --> 01:08:47.539 A:middle L:90%
of libraries, a group of memory organizations come together

980
01:08:47.539 --> 01:08:50.770 A:middle L:90%
and say we're being devalued and there are ways that

981
01:08:50.770 --> 01:08:55.189 A:middle L:90%
we can correct us. So one of the things

982
01:08:55.569 --> 01:08:58.819 A:middle L:90%
, The number back. I've shared this several times

983
01:08:58.819 --> 01:09:00.020 A:middle L:90%
. And of course this conference is it is it

984
01:09:00.020 --> 01:09:04.239 A:middle L:90%
was a moment for me that was striking and I'm

985
01:09:04.250 --> 01:09:08.880 A:middle L:90%
here 10 years later and himself hasn't one of the

986
01:09:08.890 --> 01:09:12.270 A:middle L:90%
earliest ended meetings that I was privileged to attend.

987
01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:15.380 A:middle L:90%
Thanks to people allowing me to their places. We

988
01:09:15.390 --> 01:09:19.159 A:middle L:90%
were above me at the time. I didn't understand

989
01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:21.939 A:middle L:90%
the conversation even fully as I walked, but with

990
01:09:21.939 --> 01:09:25.420 A:middle L:90%
my novice eyes, the first question that I asked

991
01:09:25.420 --> 01:09:28.090 A:middle L:90%
was, well, what are we spending on market

992
01:09:29.270 --> 01:09:31.130 A:middle L:90%
? And I was looked at with blank stares by

993
01:09:31.130 --> 01:09:33.760 A:middle L:90%
everybody in the room. A couple of people.

994
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:36.029 A:middle L:90%
There was a little bit of life, but I

995
01:09:36.029 --> 01:09:39.279 A:middle L:90%
asked the same question again today, where is the

996
01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:41.579 A:middle L:90%
marketing? I don't have any money to throw at

997
01:09:41.579 --> 01:09:43.850 A:middle L:90%
it. Atacocha operates on a shoestring. That's what

998
01:09:43.859 --> 01:09:45.189 A:middle L:90%
I'm good at. I'm not good at making lots

999
01:09:45.189 --> 01:09:48.090 A:middle L:90%
of money or directing lots of funds in places.

1000
01:09:48.100 --> 01:09:50.289 A:middle L:90%
But I can say if there's any huge mistakes,

1001
01:09:50.300 --> 01:09:54.340 A:middle L:90%
but I think the research libraries are making right now

1002
01:09:54.340 --> 01:09:57.170 A:middle L:90%
and probably other libraries as well is that they have

1003
01:09:57.170 --> 01:10:00.640 A:middle L:90%
not taken that move of look together, even professional

1004
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:03.960 A:middle L:90%
association or through some other neutral space to figure out

1005
01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:08.260 A:middle L:90%
a way to deploy some that are marketing and some

1006
01:10:08.260 --> 01:10:11.760 A:middle L:90%
better lobbying on there. So that might be one

1007
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:14.909 A:middle L:90%
way to correct against what is, I think a

1008
01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:24.689 A:middle L:90%
very quick, uh, eroding fabric. Okay.

1009
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:30.600 A:middle L:90%
From the government perspective. Uh huh. It's not

1010
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:34.279 A:middle L:90%
a development. There is an expectation that the impact

1011
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:40.189 A:middle L:90%
mm Good will increase. So every year were paid

1012
01:10:40.859 --> 01:10:47.579 A:middle L:90%
less funds greater straight impact definition public criticism which is

1013
01:10:47.579 --> 01:10:50.399 A:middle L:90%
not consumed by its use. And so where were

1014
01:10:50.510 --> 01:10:54.899 A:middle L:90%
we efforts at public goods? We ought to be

1015
01:10:54.899 --> 01:10:57.680 A:middle L:90%
able to demonstrate an increase in impact every single year

1016
01:10:58.260 --> 01:11:03.079 A:middle L:90%
. And so that's driving agency investments. And so

1017
01:11:03.960 --> 01:11:06.239 A:middle L:90%
the ability to use data in a wide variety.

1018
01:11:06.409 --> 01:11:11.760 A:middle L:90%
We're seeing the emergence of a robust data as a

1019
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:15.699 A:middle L:90%
service industry. Google is kind of the premier example

1020
01:11:15.699 --> 01:11:20.979 A:middle L:90%
of that. There are many garage sandwich people use

1021
01:11:21.460 --> 01:11:26.479 A:middle L:90%
data that's publicly available. Let's create a value added

1022
01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:30.229 A:middle L:90%
service. Right? You the data that you are

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making available is being used by that industry in many

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ways. And so one of the important things that

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we have to work down inside of ever and you

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have to work your perspective as well as the ability

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to to evaluate that. Use demonstrate data are used

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in many different ways and create a real that's true

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added services, tracking that and marketing. That impact

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effectively is the only way you're going to be able

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to attract increase stop you are simply very high.

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What will happen with a public good? What it's

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like just to say that one of one of the

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things that first made an impact on me may now

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be able to be impact on the public, which

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is that I knew that without my affiliation to the

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institution that was giving me my PhD or you know

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, whatever uh institution without going on a 10 year

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track or staying in a library. One of the

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things that I gave up was access to the solid

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record as the results of public research become more public

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and those things like Pop Med continue to grow and

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his policy dictates that that has to happen. We're

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going to see a moment where we can capitalize on

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that and remind folks that that doesn't happen for free

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and that the libraries that are dr some of that

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work and that should be helping. Yes. Right

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01:13:05.550 --> 01:13:10.069 A:middle L:90%
. Um, are doing them service that if we

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did allow corporate entities to do, we've already seen

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01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:15.449 A:middle L:90%
that corporate entities are going to lock it up and

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they're going to charge for it. So we want

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01:13:16.989 --> 01:13:20.510 A:middle L:90%
asset. Okay. And there's, there's a compelling

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01:13:20.510 --> 01:13:23.869 A:middle L:90%
case that can be made somewhere there if you can

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01:13:23.869 --> 01:13:25.399 A:middle L:90%
figure out how to spend it and how to make

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01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:31.579 A:middle L:90%
it into a something. Yes. One thing that

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01:13:31.949 --> 01:13:35.979 A:middle L:90%
a couple of people here said is, is important

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01:13:36.949 --> 01:13:40.750 A:middle L:90%
. Yes. Marketing are, what we do is

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01:13:40.750 --> 01:13:44.369 A:middle L:90%
really for tonight. However many of us who work

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01:13:44.380 --> 01:13:50.829 A:middle L:90%
in public are expressly for to market ourselves and that's

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01:13:50.829 --> 01:13:55.859 A:middle L:90%
when we are completely dependent on our users for making

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01:13:55.859 --> 01:13:58.300 A:middle L:90%
the case for us and they make the best case

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for us. It's about just mentioned that how can

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01:14:01.140 --> 01:14:05.340 A:middle L:90%
we mobilize our users without appearing to mobilize our users

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01:14:05.350 --> 01:14:10.569 A:middle L:90%
? Which also gets us in trouble? So you

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01:14:10.569 --> 01:14:13.729 A:middle L:90%
know how, I don't know how we and that

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01:14:13.729 --> 01:14:16.850 A:middle L:90%
today. Thanks. It's vinyl to our user base

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01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:20.859 A:middle L:90%
and they are the ones telling the fund this is

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vital. We absolutely have to have this. Well

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, imagine that is contrary. Well, I don't

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know right there are there they are. We also

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01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:54.170 A:middle L:90%
need to correct pharmaceutical. No, love wow.

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This is another area where careful. Uh huh.

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01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:03.569 A:middle L:90%
Where there are needs to align. I familiar with

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01:15:03.569 --> 01:15:12.760 A:middle L:90%
the work is the american Library Association washing scared marketing

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01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:19.760 A:middle L:90%
and lobbying. Making impact. Yeah. This is

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01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:29.369 A:middle L:90%
my son. Yeah. Making sure that more.

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Is that maybe don't even have a library in that

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words. Are you? It's again this issue of

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01:15:41.539 --> 01:15:44.100 A:middle L:90%
bring me another organism, you know, something Where

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01:15:44.100 --> 01:15:49.170 A:middle L:90%
do we work? Some areas that exist? Certainly

1081
01:15:49.939 --> 01:16:00.649 A:middle L:90%
that those folks are very wow on the issue really

1082
01:16:02.529 --> 01:16:09.210 A:middle L:90%
. There are couple of issues argue that it seems

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01:16:09.210 --> 01:16:14.479 A:middle L:90%
so. Why? But I think too, if

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we are part of any more that is in one

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way or using an external fun operational things, I

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01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:30.340 A:middle L:90%
think we are participating. Yeah. Problem. External

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01:16:30.340 --> 01:16:34.750 A:middle L:90%
funding in my should be used to fund the things

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01:16:35.020 --> 01:16:41.039 A:middle L:90%
that I'm not always doing. Fact is that other

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01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:45.930 A:middle L:90%
people are over should be used as short term way

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01:16:45.939 --> 01:16:49.380 A:middle L:90%
to this floor, investigate those. It's up to

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01:16:49.380 --> 01:16:55.560 A:middle L:90%
us with good are Yes. Two over time.

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01:16:56.630 --> 01:17:01.960 A:middle L:90%
Use our resources. Address priority is automatically. Thanks

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01:17:02.329 --> 01:17:11.199 A:middle L:90%
some what? Yeah, lower too. Prioritize things

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01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:17.010 A:middle L:90%
that are the way the initiation of my money's but

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01:17:17.020 --> 01:17:29.529 A:middle L:90%
the carrying that's part of spot and many of your

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01:17:29.529 --> 01:17:31.350 A:middle L:90%
institutions have been around for decades. Some for centuries

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01:17:32.729 --> 01:17:39.689 A:middle L:90%
rely on Graham for for sustainability over grants are an

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01:17:39.689 --> 01:17:48.560 A:middle L:90%
opportunity claim here. Yes, expect things no infrastructure

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01:17:49.130 --> 01:17:53.989 A:middle L:90%
, very different kind of channel inside of for infrastructure

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01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:58.399 A:middle L:90%
sustainable. And that's I think a little that's where

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01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:08.000 A:middle L:90%
this community this sort of some fashion, just a

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01:18:08.010 --> 01:18:09.489 A:middle L:90%
little bit of time line. So I'd like to

1103
01:18:09.489 --> 01:18:14.289 A:middle L:90%
move to a real concrete question. So how can

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01:18:14.289 --> 01:18:17.729 A:middle L:90%
organizations such as yours here represent, collaborate on things

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01:18:17.729 --> 01:18:20.609 A:middle L:90%
like creating new technology or standards and do any of

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01:18:20.609 --> 01:18:29.149 A:middle L:90%
you have any specific example the suggestion. Mhm.

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01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:32.899 A:middle L:90%
The Research Data Alliance is his essence an organization of

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01:18:32.899 --> 01:18:38.750 A:middle L:90%
the collaborative doesn't exist except for collaboration. That's the

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01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:44.460 A:middle L:90%
essence it's model one of the examples that has just

1110
01:18:44.460 --> 01:18:46.630 A:middle L:90%
emerged in the last few weeks or so. It's

1111
01:18:46.630 --> 01:18:50.899 A:middle L:90%
around big data at my institute, the National Institute

1112
01:18:50.899 --> 01:18:53.750 A:middle L:90%
of Standards and Technology in the U. S.

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01:18:54.420 --> 01:19:00.149 A:middle L:90%
Establish public working group. The global working for participate

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01:19:00.590 --> 01:19:01.840 A:middle L:90%
in this. It's only it's a virtual group doesn't

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01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:06.689 A:middle L:90%
mean in prison. It's developing technology reference architecture for

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01:19:06.689 --> 01:19:11.659 A:middle L:90%
big data environments so that we can help in specifying

1117
01:19:11.659 --> 01:19:15.109 A:middle L:90%
standards for the interactions between our elements in a digital

1118
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:19.279 A:middle L:90%
environment allowing you to it can choose the pieces that

1119
01:19:19.279 --> 01:19:24.010 A:middle L:90%
you used for assembly or keep that environment. I'm

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01:19:24.010 --> 01:19:27.149 A:middle L:90%
over getting a lot of participation from the commercial sector

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01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:29.539 A:middle L:90%
but it turns out that there's an awful lot of

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01:19:29.550 --> 01:19:33.609 A:middle L:90%
academic and the preservation sector in victor that needs that

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01:19:33.609 --> 01:19:35.300 A:middle L:90%
we need to contribute to that. And so we've

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01:19:35.300 --> 01:19:39.569 A:middle L:90%
set up an alliance between a working group and Arda

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01:19:39.579 --> 01:19:44.800 A:middle L:90%
focused dictated more preservation context with the big data working

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01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:47.869 A:middle L:90%
group in a commercial context to make sure that emerges

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01:19:47.869 --> 01:19:53.850 A:middle L:90%
from our industry focused effort is actually usable by the

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01:19:53.859 --> 01:19:57.039 A:middle L:90%
community and meets their needs. There is an example

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01:19:57.039 --> 01:20:00.340 A:middle L:90%
where we're able to join sector was a recent state

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01:20:00.340 --> 01:20:13.130 A:middle L:90%
of alliance that exists. FBCB Yes, realization that

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01:20:13.510 --> 01:20:18.220 A:middle L:90%
Right. So that's are true size. My.

1132
01:20:19.310 --> 01:20:24.569 A:middle L:90%
Mhm. Recently we've been discussing how we might have

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01:20:24.569 --> 01:20:34.630 A:middle L:90%
worked other organizations an interest organizations that and discussing is

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01:20:35.109 --> 01:20:41.130 A:middle L:90%
very soon yeah, strong interest obviously in the way

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01:20:41.710 --> 01:20:45.489 A:middle L:90%
as well they have an accessible yeah may be able

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01:20:45.489 --> 01:20:49.489 A:middle L:90%
to connect to making the way more accessible. May

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01:20:49.500 --> 01:20:57.970 A:middle L:90%
also for us to catch and right now have sort

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01:20:57.970 --> 01:21:00.560 A:middle L:90%
of a while. Yes, that makes it very

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01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:11.289 A:middle L:90%
difficult for us as as organizations dozens introducing ban play

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01:21:11.289 --> 01:21:15.550 A:middle L:90%
it back for you. Right. Think that we're

1141
01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:20.329 A:middle L:90%
definitely Yeah. You know how. Right, pardon

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01:21:21.010 --> 01:21:28.920 A:middle L:90%
here? Yes it is how books and plays.

1143
01:21:30.510 --> 01:21:39.489 A:middle L:90%
Yes. The best examples of because they crossed the

1144
01:21:39.489 --> 01:21:43.119 A:middle L:90%
sector. So one of the things that I think

1145
01:21:43.609 --> 01:21:45.899 A:middle L:90%
, what do you such as mine and such as

1146
01:21:45.930 --> 01:21:46.539 A:middle L:90%
this with this that are represented in this room.

1147
01:21:47.310 --> 01:21:51.279 A:middle L:90%
We're very comfortable with growing very comfortable moving out of

1148
01:21:51.289 --> 01:21:55.829 A:middle L:90%
the other far enough that we can actually collaborate.

1149
01:21:57.109 --> 01:22:00.989 A:middle L:90%
Um Sometimes reason. Mhm. That's where we're still

1150
01:22:00.989 --> 01:22:06.119 A:middle L:90%
very wary is with business interests and Bruce that try

1151
01:22:06.500 --> 01:22:10.520 A:middle L:90%
our own sector and we do so for good reason

1152
01:22:11.899 --> 01:22:15.069 A:middle L:90%
. Yeah, it is awesome. But exploring those

1153
01:22:15.069 --> 01:22:21.189 A:middle L:90%
places where we can form alliances lightly bonds between groups

1154
01:22:21.189 --> 01:22:25.090 A:middle L:90%
that are not like us, but that share a

1155
01:22:25.090 --> 01:22:28.710 A:middle L:90%
lot of characteristics with us in the information landscape,

1156
01:22:28.939 --> 01:22:30.710 A:middle L:90%
I think we'll do the best in the long run

1157
01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:32.840 A:middle L:90%
. So yes, he knows I would love to

1158
01:22:32.840 --> 01:22:44.949 A:middle L:90%
see my what again? So escape. And a

1159
01:22:44.949 --> 01:22:50.409 A:middle L:90%
big open. Always someone wrote best practices, quite

1160
01:22:50.409 --> 01:22:55.920 A:middle L:90%
standards, spring description of what which turned out to

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01:22:55.930 --> 01:23:01.619 A:middle L:90%
be okay. Mhm best practices here. That's the

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01:23:01.630 --> 01:23:08.319 A:middle L:90%
first and so first things first. The nice thing

1163
01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:13.329 A:middle L:90%
was that we, the people that were involved,

1164
01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:20.159 A:middle L:90%
we looked across them all other projects had probably the

1165
01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:26.329 A:middle L:90%
same person in that he writes the best practices and

1166
01:23:26.340 --> 01:23:30.220 A:middle L:90%
so we didn't became and in the end, whatever

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01:23:30.220 --> 01:23:32.619 A:middle L:90%
comes what mm going to go to the opening,

1168
01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:38.109 A:middle L:90%
which is I think a good place to both.

1169
01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:44.569 A:middle L:90%
Perhaps best friend. Um I'm hoping we wish it

1170
01:23:44.579 --> 01:23:49.420 A:middle L:90%
is today. The other project what they in?

1171
01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:57.020 A:middle L:90%
Well, no, what? We're not at standards

1172
01:23:57.500 --> 01:24:00.310 A:middle L:90%
, but it's for me it was really interesting,

1173
01:24:00.289 --> 01:24:08.239 A:middle L:90%
understand Yes. Years ago and we're talking about standards

1174
01:24:08.789 --> 01:24:15.920 A:middle L:90%
. Nice first find out practices. Okay, right

1175
01:24:15.989 --> 01:24:19.300 A:middle L:90%
. And back trail is a very good one actually

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01:24:19.989 --> 01:24:24.460 A:middle L:90%
. And because down on projects, I think that's

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01:24:24.460 --> 01:24:30.119 A:middle L:90%
actually something that project you don't need a long time

1178
01:24:30.590 --> 01:24:40.119 A:middle L:90%
actually. Just first steps. Yes. Right.

1179
01:24:43.090 --> 01:24:46.220 A:middle L:90%
Mhm. Yeah. As we have just a minute

1180
01:24:46.229 --> 01:24:48.409 A:middle L:90%
or so left, turn over to the audience.

1181
01:24:48.409 --> 01:24:57.369 A:middle L:90%
Any comments, questions before we close. Okay.

1182
01:24:57.380 --> 01:25:00.619 A:middle L:90%
Everybody's ready for lunch. The assumption. All right

1183
01:25:00.630 --> 01:25:01.029 A:middle L:90%
. Thank you very much. We hope this panel's

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01:25:01.029 --> 01:25:03.300 A:middle L:90%
been helpful to you. Yeah.