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I'm Carlos. So I worked for the European Commission

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in the in the area of research and development programs

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and in particular in an area called infrastructure. For those

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that are not acquainted with the way the commission is

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organized, it's more or less the equivalent to the

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cyber infrastructure, the Department of the National Science Foundation

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in the US. So and present already? Okay. So

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then we have agreed that I can start with a

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short presentation on on what we do at the commission in

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the area of data infrastructures and the relevance for this

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community that is meeting today and the topic of preservation.

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And I'll try to to say a few things to

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in context because in fact I should be celebrating or

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we should be celebrating in Europe. The fact that yesterday 

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the European parliament voted the financial envelope from 2014

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to 2020 means that we are now pretty sure that

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we will have the resources to deploy the Research Development

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and Innovation Program Horizon 2020 in the coming seven years.

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So this is good news for us and doing

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and one of the parts of this relatively deep

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program is related with the research infrastructure and the infrastructure

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is as I said. And, it's a seven year

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program. So it gives us time to think and

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to approach things in a in a way that brings

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the right decisions, the right informed decisions about deploying

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infrastructures. So, and it will start by actually

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exchanged discussing with you yesterday during dinner on what is the relation

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between the infrastructures and the things that you have been

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discussing. I have to say that I can't help

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looking at this community as being people involved in designing

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and actually operating infrastructure. So the world of libraries

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and the world of archives for me is the world

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of infrastructures and I insist because in in the commission

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where we are organized, we have some resources of

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the budget is actually for building capacity and funding,

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infrastructures, not research. So we have a very

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strong and clear mandate from the European member states not

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to spend this money which is not a lot compared

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to the full envelope on research but rather on the

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infrastructures in support of research and education in Europe.

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So, and this is actually expected from a meeting

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from the Swedish Royal Academy where where there is a

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there was an attempt to define what we mean by

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infrastructure and if we read it point by point,

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you see that and you are in fact an infrastructure.

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So a research infrastructure is something that is of

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broad interest for research, education, innovation and so

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on. And I offer a scope for leading research.

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It's used by several research teams for advanced projects.

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It's so large in some sense that individual groups cannot

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operate them on their own. Have long term plans

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for scientific objectives felony and exploitation. It's open accessible

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for researchers and it is persistently providing services. So

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this definition really can be of a big installation like

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a telescope of the square kilometer already which is usually

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very big investments and it's part of actually the program

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I am involved in. But it's also a good

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definition for archives and for for the topics we are

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discussing today. So we have in Europe a very clear um

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framework, policy framework with very clear objectives and preservations part

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of the so called framework and scientific information which is

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basically set in these three documents that are communications from

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the commission to the parliament and to the Council of

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Member States. So they they are documents that the

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commission provides to the european parliament to the council and

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then they undergo a process of discussion and then then

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I finally closed this dialogue takes one year um and

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finally they are closed with what we call council conclusions

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. But this is not important. The important thing

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is to say that we have these three documents which

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are quite important for the frame for framing our work

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in this area. So one is the concept of

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the european research area, which is something we are

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very much engaged in the commission to provide the conditions

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. So things like mobility of researchers is not yet

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completely an easy thing. It's something easy to achieve

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in europe. So someone from the university in a

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member state wants to change um as an offer and

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another university in another Member States, it's not so

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easy to move from one country, believe it or

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not, it's it's the case. So this is

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just one example of the european research Then we have

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the scientific information package which has basically four parts one

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on open access to scientific publications, another one on

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open access to research data and a third one on

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long term data preservation, scientific data preservation And the

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the infrastructure that could have been the 33. But

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and finally we have a document which is very much

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like the objective of this group which is about aligning

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. So it's a recommendation, it's not a communication

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, it's a recommendation from the Commission to the Member

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States recommending them a number of actions in which way

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the digital long term preservationists, one of these actions

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and these recommendations these recommendations. Allied attempt to align

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national policies which is really one of the important objectives

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of our work. So now I go immediately to

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the concept of of the architectures we are promoting in

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terms of of research infrastructures and increase presented the research

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data alliance, which is something we consider strategic to

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help us building this sort of scenario. So we

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see the research that infrastructure in europe emerging as a

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distributed and participatory architecture. So having notes that can

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be actually individuals or institutions coming together to offer services

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. So the logic is really the service concept of

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a service provided to someone is at the core the

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logic of what we mean by distributed open architecture for

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them for them for the infrastructures we support that provide

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services for discovery ability, access and interoperability of data

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. Um that also ensures that storage the data part

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and the computing part are seen as as part of

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the same problem that we don't have a stream of

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funding for data infrastructures and for computing but there is

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two worlds come as close as possible and of course

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all of it relying on high speed connectivity, global

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connectivity issued by performance. Finally I will skip a

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bit of this you know this article about who's going

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to pay you are discussing and this is one of

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the things now I would like to focus your attention

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on actually the good news is that we have a

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budget as I said and the red blocks the parts

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I directly involved in in in the unit. I

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work on the infrastructures and you see that the data

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part is here As these four boxes. One is

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the topic as you call it. And managing preserving

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and computing with big research data infrastructure for open access

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towards global debt infrastructure, research data lines. So

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, very specific objective, supporting the research data alliance

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and the provision of course services across the infrastructure which

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is also very much related with this domain. We

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will have we have also other domains, as I

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said before related with distributed computing and high performance computing

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. Which is something I would invite this audience also

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to look very close in the future too, to

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collaborate with the communities that we are also funding related

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to dealing with the services, computational services and software

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. So in this area these areas are resourced,

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we will launch calls end of this year and with

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closing dates meet next year roughly. And I think

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I would close here and then open to discussion will

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be part of the discussion. But what I wanted

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actually to say is that I think that this community

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is uh has already a lot of work done.

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This is what I understand from being here and discussing

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with you and that europe believes that the topic of

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preservation is an important one from an infrastructure point of

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view. So resources will be put there that it's

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not only an european objective but it's actually required global

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collaboration to to achieve also 1 1 objective of getting

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the solutions that are cost effective. So this will

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be an important aspect to consider so that whatever solution

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is done and collaborations across the globe with colleagues in

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the U. S. And so on, leads

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to to cost effective solutions towards to economies of scale

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and I can give you a little bit more details

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about about the program later on. But what in

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summary we in europe will support this area. We

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would like this community too to step forward and I

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pass you the hot potato too to organize yourselves in

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a way that we can have really global approach an

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effective approach to the topic of long term data and

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I think that was a great I know um idea

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of passing the hot potato to us as a community

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because we'll talk about online. Um in my mind

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, it assumes that there's going to be more than

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one, there isn't going to be one range,

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you should rule them all. And that it's those

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linkages between our organizations that's going to make this work

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. We are always we're not just a number of

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one community we own, I guess voices in many

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communities. So um actually I'm gonna go with that

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thought and pass it over to because I mean she

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has some things to show. No right that it's

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great The 1st town bigger. Associate Universal library for

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the scholarship and preservation of corner the program X and

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physics. Actually in this panel we're asked to think

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about next steps toward alignment. And what about future

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opportunities? Strategy. This is a huge task.

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I will just modestly share with you. Just a

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few ideas and I hope you don't mind that I

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may admit some of the work that we are doing

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at Cornell as some of the examples to illustrate just

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as they came. The media plays, I was

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thinking about examples Cliff flinch when he started, he

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pointed out that alignment is not interdependence, but it

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is the process of reflecting values themes and creating a

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cohesive agenda. So I guess what I'm reflecting on

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alignment issues. That's useful. You see the script

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that Cliff Stardust digital preservation more and more reminds me

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of Digital humanities, those of you who are working

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in humanity is actually being called now because so many

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shoes are moved into the Digital humanities that when I'm

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at the meetings especially extract them when they ask you

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what is digital humanities, I had the hardest time

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. I'm just wishing that they will not ask you

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what it is. I usually so right With digital

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preservation, we might be approaching that stage. When

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we began our conversation 20 years ago we began with

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retrospective conversion, digitizing special suspicious special material, historic

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photographs, periodicals. And very soon it turned into

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this kind of in a way confusing with prospective conversion

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of preservation. But we very long way since then

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, because now if you look at our scope last

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three days talked about from born digital ties from static

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to dynamic from Scotland. So we had a very

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, very broad scope. So obviously, you know

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, we are energized, charged and worried and we

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are all getting ready to leave and as we are

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getting on the plane and landing inevitably what will happen

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institutions. So when I think about alignment and next

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concrete steps true, it's kind of a more of

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a practical approach because, you know, when we

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think about an action agenda, form new groups,

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but also video of us belong to groups already.

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about groups, we can join those groups, but

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most importantly, we are all change agents, that

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we can spread some of these ideas in our networks

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. When I these ideas please think about those three

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steps. But I also feel that we do have

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many organizations that are mainly initiatives already. So I

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think it's a good thing about streamlining mainstream. First

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of all, I want to talk about two or

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three words that I've heard of the working class,

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I think it's sustainable, huge word. And then

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the register would be another and collaboration at least in

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my mind, that's kind of my work. I

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want to start with sustainability and I'm sorry that will

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begin referred to click flinch because he said, he

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said that cinema became a code word for someone needing

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someone else to pay for it. So I think

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as an action agenda, I suggest that we reinterpret

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sustainability without community maybe being inspired by how environmental sciences

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approaching sustainability, sustainability is the capacity to endure and

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by buildings. Of course money is very important,

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but it is not sufficient. There are other things

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that really feed into what makes an enterprise state it

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has, sort cannot be pretentious. And I want

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to just give you a couple of examples in the

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street. Anyway, my suggestion of us thinking about

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Sabrina good and much, much richer. First of

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all, I was really happy to hear this,

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but we are all spiro acknowledging that although we are

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cultural institutions, many of us are nonprofit having business

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perspectives should not necessarily seen as a non profit concept

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, having a business approach critically issue for us,

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especially as we have an increasing mandates and shrinking budgets

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. So I was very pleased to hear risk assessments

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, return investment cost models, marketing plans, annual

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budgets. So I suggest that we really bring in

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these concepts more of obviously the other issue which really

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ties in sustainability is stakeholder analysis and awareness building.

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homogeneous that I would have loved to see maybe a

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couple of faculties can any technology is a little more

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commercial and these presented maybe more government agencies and from

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stakeholder analysis actually tie into this concept of information literacy

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. Again, was it was a constant mentioned figure

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at all. Again, looking at it from Stanwood

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perspective, I also suggest that we think about more

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digital literacy cities than information literacy, digital literacy czar

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, comprehensive questions how we survive, how we thrive

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in a digital culture rather than just focusing on information

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and a part of these delicious eases in use of

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engaging our stakeholders, having our provost, faculty administrators

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understand the importance of preservation, vulnerability of digital data

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theories and of course other important stakeholders. I know

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that many of you do, but he said we

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have fantastic opportunities especially in libraries to offer workshops or

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training sessions or embedded session courses to teach. But

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its faculty or grad students about the best practice to

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create digital because that is the content that we will

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be maintain as long as we came was wonderful to

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put it upstream again, thinking about sustainability and environmental

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concepts before we address cleaning up or preserving. Want

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to think about how can create an environment that kind

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of minimizes other issues. Assessment again, Cliff mentioned

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this, I think assessment and outcomes are really,

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really important issues. It's also overwhelming. But make

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small budgets. I will give an example for now

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Cornell and Columbia last two years have been collaborating on

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Egypt reservation around you probably know that, you know

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, depending on how we are counting, we have

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30-48,000 journals, journals out there. And unfortunately libraries

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, cultural institutions collections building as Vicki and I were

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discussing, it would be very insightful. E pointed

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out from collection building, we're kind of moving into

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more managing licenses. So one of our interest areas

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from Columbia and Cornell perspective was you know, we

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all are heavily dependent on the journal subscriptions. What

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presidential of them are being preserved, whether it's locks

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or clocks or And just to generalize a couple other

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institutions also actually went through the same exercise and their

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conclusion was 20- 25%. The journals that men's

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depending on their souls. That depending on had had

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some sort of I want to highlight When I say

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20, this is what we are collecting not what

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is being could be published and especially so actually with

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support from the Mellon Foundation continuous study and I give

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you an example of assessment because I know it's such

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a small study and minor dance but having these numbers

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are looking again five years from now and saying oh

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we are now at 35%. We do need to

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have some measures just go to give us a better

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sense of where we are but also give us a

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sense of four strategies uh with sustainability very very quickly

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. I also want to mention that many of us

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again at Cornell the institutions I know we continue to

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depend on grant funds for anything we do in this

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preservation area that is important substantial. I can argue

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that 70% of what we hope during this conference was

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soft money based. Especially I also am well aware

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that many of you have been very successful in embedding

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programs and responsibilities into your organizational structure. Maybe you

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are next conference. I would love to see more

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emphasis on new organizations. How are we? How

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are we engineering libraries? How are we distributing these

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roles? Because we are not going to go too

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far away by creating preservation department. It has to

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be embedded in the acquisitions from licensing stage two public

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services collection building. So this is an area that

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I think it's critical. Mhm saying about that person

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. The second word that I heard a lot was

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registry and think I'm not running out of time.

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Probably should speed up a bit with registry. We

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talked about registry with failures tools, learning objects initiatives

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that I'm worried about registries because registries sometimes are forgotten

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. We have Around seven incomplete registries. So the

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proposal is for us to look into or purpose and

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think about the tools maybe from a fresh perspective,

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what are the new communication tools and patterns like I

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was wondering, you know, maybe I wasn't involved

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in moocs massive, open online courses work within our

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institutions and create a couple of courses in this area

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just to be global. So it's just one example

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thinking about What are the 21st century's of maintaining and

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spreading this information. Um collaboration. Again, I'm

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going to go fast and give you just examples of

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collaboration. First of all, I should note that

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obviously highly desirable but if you're demanding process there are

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politically social interpersonal. Many of the collaborations I have

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enjoyed and I found were productive were also energized by

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the good interpersonal skills and team building skills of leaders

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. But looking at us as collaborators, we may

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learn from the research because when you look at the

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research science data community, we are seeing complementary organizations

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coming together. We have domain scientists, government agencies

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funding funding bodies, librarians, archivists technologies. So

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again it's my call for branding and partner. So

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that's kind of more of a win win situation.

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Quick example at Cornell, we start a new audio

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video initiatives and we are actually argument whatever learning knowledge

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technologies unit because in theory large portion of learning objects

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that were faculty are creating or research people research material

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. Therefore our academic technology is very much interested in

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a kind of just conclude I would actually, I

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heard more about two concepts. One of them is

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used and usability issues. You know, we have

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a hard how are we going to use the content

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that we are preserving access issues, discover how are

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they going to discover, how are they going to

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be access? And also from using musical perspective David

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Rosenthal's notion of taking risks maybe with loss to gain

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capacity. So that sort of user issues. And

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the last thing I want to point out, there's

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an example of an issue. I would have loved

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to hear more and I hope we will hear more

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of his open access and new forms of scholarly communication

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as we are seeing blur boundaries between scholarly and popular

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content. And also we're the same. I'm jeremy

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york Assistant director Cross. And I just want just

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thank the conference organizers briefly for giving this one more

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go. It's a lot to organize. I think

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it's incredibly important. Plastic. Yeah. Um it's

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really been a rich, rich discussion. A lot

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of ways. I've taken a particular slice. You'll

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hear a lot of the same things. I hope

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it's valuable here things in a slightly different way.

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Some of the things that have struck me are the

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enormity of the work. Ah that's been expressed with

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the small number of people that are here. All

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the issues funding, trying to fund grants. It

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just seems coachable for some of the issues that stood

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out days. Our first what what Cliff mentioned is

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specialization of Linkages between preservation and access one. Digital

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preservation. What does digital presentation have to do with

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access and Discovery? The 2nd 1 is the idea

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of preservation in place. That David, I think

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he's session that they write Flynn. The 3rd is

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the succession of content strategies and the fourth, I

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was speaking with a common voice. Also known as

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alignment of goals and including inclusion of diverse voices.

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So the idea of the global versus the international.

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So what are some specific things that we can do

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? And they just kind of informed my advice things

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. But excuse me for reading a little bit.

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So libraries and other cultural heritage institutions are existing now

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in a diverse and increasingly complex ecosystem. Where despite

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the challenges we have in securing funding for digital preservation

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. There are many, many entities out there that

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are offering digital preservation services and many who are paying

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for those services. We are not the only ones

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interested are the only ones developing cheese and digital considerations

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. We need to find our place in the new

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ecosystem, identify what the special value is that we

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bring its libraries and cultural heritage institutions and how we

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can interact with all the players to be members of

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the team other than the only ones. To be

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sure we're achieving our objectives. So I get the

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sense sometimes that when we talk about alignment, we're

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talking, talking aligning my service that silo with your

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stewardess backside reservation. That's Discovery. And I think

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we might take a broader view. Uh and imagine

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one broad stack that we all participate in that includes

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preservation, Discovery, access and so forth and look

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broadly across sectors and who's engaged in all those activities

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. So the cross sector has come up a lot

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of times so we could view ourselves for example,

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rather than as a preservation service provider of providers becoming

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part of a broad technical and human infrastructure that allows

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preservation to occur and other services to run. So

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there are companies today offering preservation services for things that

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we might not collect now or don't have the capacity

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to collect. I don't think that we should begrudge

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that begrudge vendors or anyone who's doing preservation work.

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We should encourage preservation activities to keep content that could

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be valuable uh and of interest alive as long as

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possible. We should seek to develop relationships with entities

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that are keeping the content alive and pursue strategies that

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achieve our goals. And I think this is where

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the success. So some of the specific strategies and

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concrete things we can do to create this infrastructure,

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I think internally within our community, we can come

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together around functions providing infrastructure where we can for access

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services for discovery services, for services that enhance our

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collecting abilities, knowledge gathering, knowledge sharing abilities because

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of the linkages between these services and their their underlying

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reliance on the preservation of information. I think if

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we focus on the functions and the special aspect that

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we as libraries bring to those functions broadly across the

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sectors will ultimately be meeting our broader goals. I

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think we should also think about infrastructure not only being

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technical but humans and this is a sort of education

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, teaching and outreach aspect. We've been talking about

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how we can integrate our curriculum for digital preservation and

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existing education curriculum. So the information organization curation and

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preservation become a basic part of english class science class

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history, haven't they? Always been? Literally literacy

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is changing digital. Digital literacy is changing. What

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can we do to be sure that the digital literacy

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is an infrastructure are given when we learn in our

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school and our lives. So then I just wanted

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to close with three even more specific things we can

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do to further our alignment and participate in infrastructure.

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The first is to expose the specifications we're using for

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our preservation and preservation practices. How many of us

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are sharing information about our use of premise our validation

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practices, documentation of our systems and workflows being more

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transparent, can help us see our areas of blindness

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. Okay. 2nd to the extent possible exposed educational

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resources. The actual educational resources that were used.

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If someone has a desire to learn how they can

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manage their files better preserve the images on their phone

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, where they can go to get their family photos

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digitized and integrated as part of a larger collection.

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An institution or a corporation wants to learn how to

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do that. They should be able to very easily

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go and find these resources and then lastly expose our

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data, whether it's content rights information, any kind

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of metadata we can be oriented towards exposing as much

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as possible within our relevant circles. So it may

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only be two partners at first, it may only

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be in the closed circle, but I think the

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more we practice sharing, the more we'll get better

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experience, paul, will you please example, laughter

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is a great example of this. You know,

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we share normal developed strategies to facilitate. So all

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of these I think are things that will help us

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speak with a common voice, be and built the

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infrastructure we need and accomplish more together than we ever

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believed. Mm hmm. I'm not pushing you guys

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abstract and abstract, but yeah, I'm gonna go

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home and I'm going to put our premise documentation on

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our website. It's been too long. It's been

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finished for quite some time. It's been finished the

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price at some time. But it's a certain thing

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that's been holding me up. I'm gonna remove that

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link to the document that's not quite finished. That's

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one. Yeah. What are you gonna do?

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Yeah. Mhm, fascinating. I mean, I

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mean when we talk about me, whatever you've been

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talking about me the last few days, it's everybody

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in the room and I think that people talk about

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will end up doing this or will those organizations do

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this? You are that organization. Nothing happens unless

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you do something and it can be as small as

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writing up the logbook is about your experience here committing

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to putting out promise doctor. So I'm throwing it

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back to nancy. But you should be thinking about

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what you're going to do postings hopefully. And wow

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. And we're sure problem. Very inspired. And

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what needed to share more of what we are doing

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, Whether it's the new journal, we have some

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stuff happening with the media. But also I think

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when I go along, we had a small group

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of colleagues were interested, there's no encourage us more

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. Think about outsourcing. Yes. I sometimes worry

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that some of us at an institutional level you were

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looking at, especially on our own applause for assistance

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. And so interesting. So Rachel came into him

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, microphone. David David blockbuster. Mhm 8:00 in

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California three. Okay, so in three hours there

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will be summary of our session. Mhm and kate

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without reviewing details. And and so, wow.

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We are starting to align some currently. Yeah,

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mm hmm. Yeah, I do have a pretty

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detailed notes. He said it was a super Any

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notes. No time now. So people can see

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them now. We do that at the forum,

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rough or not. That's nice. It's in a

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session. Just put the title of the session and

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stick it share language can help you guys. I

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think sometimes as time goes by kind of edit and

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clean things up and sometimes the best ideas were next

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basically anybody else? What are you gonna do?

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What? No, that really extends it. They

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can extend it in a broader way. So we

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two trips and surround them. Great idea not to

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have to hear this Alaska, all my love.

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That's good. Ah and we could drill down to

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that end of the road better I think we can

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about ways to extend. And so I'd like to

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actually don't work directly my work. He was saying

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perhaps the way about inventing it across the library.

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Right. Yes, not so much. There's lots

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of things like that. Two million living with that

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. The conversation on the longer term The Horizon 2020

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, 2014: 2020 I'm looking forward to that.

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What would success look like for the program, will

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it be about versions of infrastructure? Oh, for

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some Exactly. All right. Yeah, it struck

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me that some of the logic following more incense,

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get a little bit tiny operation in terms. So

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that the question to me is what I expect you

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to to do in the coming days and weeks thinking

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in long term. So I would say that expect

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well I will go home and wait For 11 December

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where we will publish please. So in the official

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journal of the european. So we will have then

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I expect some of the key program where the sun

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goes first, it will be in ready to step

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in and provide a very robust and clear plan from

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now and projecting ourselves. We are already there,

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look backwards on what was that? The goal of

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this very robust and service for data. Yeah.

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Covering all the research data in europe and in the

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world you will be able so this that we have

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this service well well defined with all the sub layers

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from the linkage of of let's call them notes bye

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. Global information that is so performing that can cover

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needs but also cutting across domains that leverage investments than

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at member state level and yeah, you know the

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policy is alive so that you can agreements between member

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states on for instance, yeah, providing seamlessly countries

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one so that you will avoid investing all the time

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if you expect the bus so to make it simple

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that you start working on the proposal together we yeah

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open access or the commune. Well you you that

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was with the road map for the and and then

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finally research means to ministers in europe science that your

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discussion and then is well, you know, so

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that in the Okay past when you where you're from

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instead of shortly project resources or not. Mm hmm

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. Um Carlos, Mark community curious. Mhm.

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Some of ours mr in the US and europe,

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we work closely with them um in Washington black.

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Yeah, this I think abroad through our, what

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we are discussing. Yeah, it will happen in

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a sort of see it goes along the RDS process

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that all of a sudden we are solutions are aware

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of what the others are doing in terms of timing

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, funding and so on. And this is something

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we have by causing yes, what not to call

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Yes work one kind of lightweight to coordinate. So

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I would on the all our interlocutors. Well,

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no thanks. Yes. Solution. That's good.

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The scores just receive impossible to get more or less

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in the same time frames the side we this kind

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of natural. So by the age, important points

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of this meeting, for instance, happens around the

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planet ideas. One of the what we would like

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also no make this community not meet each other.

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Come on as you can. So, so in

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europe we the collapse that form able forums, sir

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the end and they with us because we have regular

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meetings with them and one idea work. Why of

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the user form use the form for all types of

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service and in the last meeting we were made paid

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for anyway. Landscape in europe. I said well

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because he seems so you will have user for that

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uses expect division and before you will. Mhm No

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, started and joined forces. You very the idea

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of form. So as we are daddy, there

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you are us audience. But how interesting how many

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have signed up for or just cue that up.

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I mean, I mean it seems like, I

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mean we often talk, I need to build schools

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in the environment and it seems like this conversation is

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that mm embed ourselves where the congress is. So

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um, and then I questions from the group.

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Yes. So when we're talking about spreading the word

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about right with, wow, what about the government

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and I don't have to say. Sure. So

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hybrid and it's been interesting hearing on. Yes.

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So I'm going to go and write a geology the

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organization in Alabama Which has a 10 year anniversary coming

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up which is the perfect time to raise awareness because

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we submitted proposal two library association and so I'm gonna

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be speaking and I'm gonna come. I'm gonna go

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and include how fabulous this is and that because I

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have yeah, I've been my game and expanding my

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own horizons. Let's come here. And I hope

624
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that maybe next time There will be two popular libraries

625
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then we can have different really curious. Okay,

626
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so just kind of wondering if this, if this

627
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was the last the meeting you say there, I

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promise or the have decided to say wait, you

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guys talk about this and Mhm I would I think

630
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even if we go in brand but missing something I'm

631
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going away. That's great. But it was very

632
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pretty you said. And so thank you summary.

633
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But I would love to be able to go to

634
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birds of a feather session say speaking. All right

635
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, right here. That means that joint means version

636
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. No way. What springer? Hey, thank

637
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you. But how do we get it outside of

638
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this? Hang on it. Yeah. Mhm I

639
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think that's great. What what does you know bridge

640
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the last two? Mhm How it works. See

641
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coming up no one God, yeah. This broad

642
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range of things that we've talked about here featured information

643
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from different projects, initiatives, ideas that are springing

644
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up. We'd be best surgeons made to be pointing

645
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people in those directions. We've got to think Henry

646
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I think about having a task that's useful but also

647
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sustainable, capable of being with the tiny little Catherine

648
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. This has been huge burn to rejection organized.

649
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Mhm privilege. So, I mean the model I'm

650
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thinking in my mind is that We have amended act

651
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as a clearing house for for pushing people onto if

652
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you're interested in cost Taylor's this thing called Foresee project

653
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.010 A:middle L:90%
that's going on for the next 18 or 12 months

654
00:56:30.010 --> 00:56:34.849 A:middle L:90%
or 14 months this might be your best place to

655
00:56:34.860 --> 00:56:37.190 A:middle L:90%
go to for the time being. Do you think

656
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your way around the economics of curation. Have the

657
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soles registry called kata. We will last longer than

658
00:56:45.230 --> 00:56:50.829 A:middle L:90%
that, et cetera. We have if you want

659
00:56:50.829 --> 00:56:53.579 A:middle L:90%
to go to see a lot of school. Mm

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00:56:53.579 --> 00:56:59.659 A:middle L:90%
hmm. Digital preservation platform membership only had an anti

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trust. I mean, there are many ways and

662
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many things that we can point at this community that

663
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was hopefully deal with this problem of implications. And

664
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so I guess I'm just saying, you know,

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we should probably go attention in an ongoing Yeah documentation

666
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to it is lightweight as possible. No. Okay

667
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. That's deserve from the other side. Third approaches

668
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Yes. Right. You good job. The fact

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we had recently discussions again in the context of the

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city commission like programs with all the led by the

671
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Yeah. And that they were Yeah, they ventured

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some figures the cost of presentation dating the and managers

673
00:58:37.429 --> 00:58:45.440 A:middle L:90%
in the commission become really uncomfortable with these entities.

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One cannot saying members of it aligning policies. He's

675
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felt a process that we have all to engage individually

676
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. Okay. Resources. It doesn't mean that we

677
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have to resources just to reshape them in wait that

678
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those division of comfortable that what and then yes,

679
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valid. And that is something that with the experience

680
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said, well, if you go this way you

681
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have the best or at least we think it's the

682
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best of the world in terms of investment. Mhm

683
00:59:43.420 --> 00:59:46.949 A:middle L:90%
. So this community has the world of light.

684
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I think this is a good asset and it's not

685
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something for tomorrow, it has to be from today

686
00:59:57.019 --> 01:00:00.440 A:middle L:90%
2020 there's to be a process of alignment because we

687
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have a lot of legacy passing from, from where

688
01:00:06.070 --> 01:00:10.300 A:middle L:90%
we are today, really resilient services, we do

689
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the knowledge and skills because we, what is it

690
01:00:34.809 --> 01:00:39.789 A:middle L:90%
that was about at some point during the today or

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yesterday, someone put up a slide that listed most

692
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:52.159 A:middle L:90%
of the digital preservation related. Yes and and it

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01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:54.730 A:middle L:90%
certainly wasn't a complete organ and organizations and it wasn't

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a complete list and there were at least six or

695
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eight and it didn't include things like that was and

696
01:01:05.550 --> 01:01:12.130 A:middle L:90%
one of the from Nancy in most sessions, one

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checklists for why aren't we being question but I remember

698
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:22.349 A:middle L:90%
the checkbox was um too many, too many activities

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01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:29.389 A:middle L:90%
and efforts being done. Yeah, well I take

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meals points, mhm probably don't Yeah and she benefited

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from this is that year in person and talk to

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01:01:40.219 --> 01:01:47.639 A:middle L:90%
people sitting on eventually research and I wonder if it

703
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would be, if there's any motivation or possibility getting

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together the leaders, all the ingredients is even happening

705
01:01:59.789 --> 01:02:05.500 A:middle L:90%
of the various and you know, maybe the alliance

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that we can do as the alignment teeth, we

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are now a team, you're now the alignment Brandon

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, it is too ah make alignment part of those

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other groups and and make them and at least make

710
01:02:24.420 --> 01:02:29.889 A:middle L:90%
more training to help everyone more transparent about why so

711
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many. Yes and I have no idea. Okay

712
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:53.469 A:middle L:90%
. Right. Mhm. Yeah. Agriculture we take

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yeah so on under his perspective. Please solve the

714
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problem. Yeah. No they're trying to solve problems

715
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. Thanks fire. Yeah. All right. I

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would say that yeah a lot of power being able

717
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to align oh what we're used to doing that are

718
01:03:52.179 --> 01:03:57.119 A:middle L:90%
now that we're doing that. So your efforts contributing

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. I'm thinking particularly the arguing participating in that round

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the solution to that joint be a terrific last Canada

721
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. I think it was perhaps Brand Vander Wert and

722
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neal who suggested creating a labor exchange where people can

723
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sign up to work on specific. I would very

724
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much encourage that after and we have people that minds

725
01:04:36.989 --> 01:04:48.300 A:middle L:90%
very interested in working on specific. So jeremy stop

726
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Yeah. How many that our services across this Pizza's

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christmas day is that our professional librarians are used to

728
01:05:02.309 --> 01:05:09.989 A:middle L:90%
being an interdisciplinary right. Yeah. And some have

729
01:05:09.989 --> 01:05:15.159 A:middle L:90%
pointed out to me library theory something back my friendship

730
01:05:15.170 --> 01:05:17.809 A:middle L:90%
theory really Advanced since the 70s. Is that right

731
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? Maybe we need to do some more. Right

732
01:05:26.090 --> 01:05:30.840 A:middle L:90%
, well thank you and I'm not not assigned judgment

733
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or our plan. What I mean what what is

734
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our job, what do we do? What do

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01:05:40.340 --> 01:05:42.869 A:middle L:90%
we stand for? What are the problems we're trying

736
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to solve and we talk when we talk about having

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01:05:45.610 --> 01:05:48.369 A:middle L:90%
a unified voice. I mean when we go into

738
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these other communities, what is what is what is

739
01:05:54.309 --> 01:05:57.079 A:middle L:90%
the mission of our profession and what is the value

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01:05:57.079 --> 01:05:59.909 A:middle L:90%
that we bring to the table. And I think

741
01:05:59.909 --> 01:06:08.420 A:middle L:90%
that needs to be refreshed comments. He also helped

742
01:06:08.420 --> 01:06:25.449 A:middle L:90%
me. Mhm. I might artists scott really good

743
01:06:25.449 --> 01:06:46.849 A:middle L:90%
at our issues roll that are our currencies. Say

744
01:06:47.579 --> 01:06:53.760 A:middle L:90%
I think the library schools are in the US we're

745
01:06:53.760 --> 01:07:00.409 A:middle L:90%
seeing quite a lot of schools. The other one

746
01:07:10.980 --> 01:07:15.739 A:middle L:90%
. one of a kind of note that for now

747
01:07:16.179 --> 01:07:24.139 A:middle L:90%
we are seeing especial postdocs, assuming agent schrader also

748
01:07:24.150 --> 01:07:27.769 A:middle L:90%
managing data. So I think that's why it's really

749
01:07:27.769 --> 01:07:32.460 A:middle L:90%
important that I like it expected with not only think

750
01:07:32.460 --> 01:07:35.420 A:middle L:90%
about our own teams and skill sets, think about

751
01:07:35.429 --> 01:07:42.869 A:middle L:90%
distributing some of these responsibilities especially when they are okay

752
01:07:42.869 --> 01:07:47.590 A:middle L:90%
now research data. Various aspects. There's definitely managed

753
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:54.130 A:middle L:90%
and happening within the laboratories. That's for you to

754
01:07:54.130 --> 01:07:59.199 A:middle L:90%
go researching the management plans or for us. Yeah

755
01:07:59.579 --> 01:08:04.000 A:middle L:90%
. Position preservation services as services to extend what skill

756
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:09.139 A:middle L:90%
sets, best practices tools rather than inward that we

757
01:08:09.139 --> 01:08:53.590 A:middle L:90%
have the repository feeling. Yeah, I just wanted

758
01:08:53.590 --> 01:08:57.130 A:middle L:90%
to say that I want to reiterate something we've said

759
01:08:57.130 --> 01:09:00.760 A:middle L:90%
in a previous session. Um I don't think we

760
01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:04.329 A:middle L:90%
have this abundance of organizations who are all duplicating effort

761
01:09:04.340 --> 01:09:08.579 A:middle L:90%
. I think we are dividing and conquering. We

762
01:09:08.579 --> 01:09:12.979 A:middle L:90%
have some digital preservation organizations on national levels. There's

763
01:09:12.979 --> 01:09:14.970 A:middle L:90%
nestor, N. D. D. D.

764
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D. P. C. And so on.

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01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:21.489 A:middle L:90%
Were addressing practitioners issues uh and um policy issues on

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01:09:21.489 --> 01:09:24.170 A:middle L:90%
a national level we have the O. P.

767
01:09:24.170 --> 01:09:26.430 A:middle L:90%
F. We're all integrated with the O. P

768
01:09:26.430 --> 01:09:29.300 A:middle L:90%
. F. On a technological level, we have

769
01:09:29.300 --> 01:09:31.600 A:middle L:90%
a memorandum of understanding. We work together. We

770
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:35.500 A:middle L:90%
coordinate our activities where we are mm hmm. It

771
01:09:35.510 --> 01:09:41.340 A:middle L:90%
is actually reaching out massively. Our organizations are getting

772
01:09:41.340 --> 01:09:44.569 A:middle L:90%
more and more involved in extremely funded projects. Which

773
01:09:44.569 --> 01:09:46.949 A:middle L:90%
is a fantastic thing. Especially in the EU funded

774
01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:50.399 A:middle L:90%
projects with every project we have, we add new

775
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:54.930 A:middle L:90%
industries, we add new sectors. We have partners

776
01:09:54.930 --> 01:09:59.640 A:middle L:90%
have previously never thought about preservation and it is,

777
01:09:59.649 --> 01:10:02.170 A:middle L:90%
it is an organically growing but very well organized and

778
01:10:02.170 --> 01:10:06.260 A:middle L:90%
very well communicated network that that is actually working.

779
01:10:06.270 --> 01:10:09.789 A:middle L:90%
I don't think we need to just be moaning.

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01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:12.680 A:middle L:90%
We should actually just go out and do our jobs

781
01:10:13.060 --> 01:10:15.949 A:middle L:90%
. The DPC is building a network in the United

782
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:21.149 A:middle L:90%
Kingdom and in Ireland and growing and people's competencies are

783
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:26.319 A:middle L:90%
improved all the time. So what I will do

784
01:10:26.329 --> 01:10:28.409 A:middle L:90%
is just going to do my job when I go

785
01:10:28.409 --> 01:10:42.409 A:middle L:90%
back martin. So what I'm hearing is that there

786
01:10:42.420 --> 01:10:45.859 A:middle L:90%
may be less need for a new organization and the

787
01:10:45.869 --> 01:10:48.470 A:middle L:90%
network, something resembling, you know, something like

788
01:10:48.470 --> 01:10:53.869 A:middle L:90%
the internet, a inter networking protocol for communication and

789
01:10:53.869 --> 01:11:00.670 A:middle L:90%
coordination and an alignment, you know, specifically have

790
01:11:00.670 --> 01:11:04.659 A:middle L:90%
points, some kind of regular points nation and you

791
01:11:04.659 --> 01:11:11.199 A:middle L:90%
know, really these conversations started exactly that that impulse

792
01:11:11.210 --> 01:11:14.710 A:middle L:90%
and to try to figure out how can we we

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01:11:14.710 --> 01:11:18.579 A:middle L:90%
know yourself right. Those are great doing security for

794
01:11:19.060 --> 01:11:23.560 A:middle L:90%
conversations would have, you know, in in ended

795
01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:27.430 A:middle L:90%
up sessions or workshops in individual other meetings and we

796
01:11:27.430 --> 01:11:29.170 A:middle L:90%
are going to have the right to call out.

797
01:11:30.859 --> 01:11:35.260 A:middle L:90%
Mm hmm I want to, we're having a session

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01:11:35.270 --> 01:11:40.619 A:middle L:90%
on Canada upcoming CNN meeting in just a week or

799
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so. So I think there's points to come away

800
01:11:45.329 --> 01:11:49.689 A:middle L:90%
with and also in the summary points carrying forward as

801
01:11:58.130 --> 01:12:04.180 A:middle L:90%
All right, scattered. We did this last I

802
01:12:04.390 --> 01:12:09.979 A:middle L:90%
thought a bit over well, ever since the first

803
01:12:11.750 --> 01:12:13.869 A:middle L:90%
, you know, what is the role of this

804
01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:18.279 A:middle L:90%
? Should it be a standing organization? And I'm

805
01:12:18.289 --> 01:12:27.010 A:middle L:90%
very much sure going through this meeting and having time

806
01:12:27.010 --> 01:12:30.409 A:middle L:90%
to digest halloweens, but I don't want to be

807
01:12:30.409 --> 01:12:33.770 A:middle L:90%
a standard. What what you really want to be

808
01:12:33.779 --> 01:12:45.939 A:middle L:90%
is a workshop years. Right. And you can

809
01:12:45.949 --> 01:12:49.869 A:middle L:90%
do sort of focus things as half day workshop bringing

810
01:12:50.350 --> 01:13:00.590 A:middle L:90%
stop. Um it's really about spinning off ideas for

811
01:13:00.590 --> 01:13:06.739 A:middle L:90%
fruit and used for collaboration just as you kind of

812
01:13:06.739 --> 01:13:15.369 A:middle L:90%
went through today and Here 10 12 things and the

813
01:13:15.369 --> 01:13:18.380 A:middle L:90%
nature of them in almost all cases, is there

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01:13:18.380 --> 01:13:24.579 A:middle L:90%
some fairly logic continue to follow? I don't need

815
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and you followed what you need is a place never

816
01:13:30.449 --> 01:13:35.159 A:middle L:90%
pretty diverse. Range to really just kind of brainstorm

817
01:13:36.850 --> 01:13:41.890 A:middle L:90%
. Where did these opportunities sit? And I would

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01:13:41.899 --> 01:13:47.430 A:middle L:90%
really, or that's that's true forward now, of

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course there's a bit of work besides having workshops which

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mostly is about trying to itself delighted working book was

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a very important piece of four. That's of course

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please. That would be mhm. Um I also

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borrowed really and push back a bit which was about

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trying to really understand for what I don't want to

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say. That's a bad idea. Want to say

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that this that the right place that this is a

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place that actually benefits from getting the not just librarians

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and people out of the library tradition but out of

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a whole lot of yes around cultural broadly archivists broadcast

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and actually, yeah, whether at some point I

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want to bring in almost political. I think that

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there is a very important discussion we had within profession

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. This is not the right. I think we

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wrap this up also like closing words from librarian ship

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and if you substituted librarian cultural marriages that aligning with

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what you're thinking. Is that right? Or is

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it? I guess I just sort of say at

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least looking from the letters pretty how things are yes

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, there is fashion of culture there there there's a

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whole series, professions with very deep traditions that come

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01:16:53.460 --> 01:17:01.350 A:middle L:90%
together somehow. Mhm. Move that very diverse.

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And I think within each one there's there's plenty about

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sorting how how those values. Mhm. I see

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the conversation here though, expect yeah, being the

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01:17:27.770 --> 01:17:40.739 A:middle L:90%
ability to speak, that's sort of great. You

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01:17:40.739 --> 01:17:43.350 A:middle L:90%
don't compete. Close this down. Thanks panels.

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01:17:45.430 --> 01:17:45.939 A:middle L:90%
Mm hmm.