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Okay. Okay. Yeah. So let's get started

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. Uh, we're going to talk about copyright.

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We'll talk through, um, some facts about open

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licensing through Creative Commons. Look at some actual creative

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Commons licenses. How to use this kind of work

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. In other words, how to attribute finding openly

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license work, which is a little bit tricky.

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And then, um, why, you might consider

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uh huh. Openly licensing work that you create.

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How many of you are familiar with the division between

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what can be copyrighted and what cannot be copyrighted?

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Okay. All right. So, um, there

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are works that can be copyrighted. They tend to

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be creative works. There are original works. They

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are fixed. Works, Um, works that cannot

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be copyrighted. Include common knowledge ideas. Um,

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facts, For example, who is the president of

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the United States? Who was the 35th president of

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the United States? This information, as well as

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measures and standards cannot be methods cannot be copyrighted.

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Some of those things can be patented. Uh,

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processes can be patented. Uh huh. So a

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very large number of things on both sides, some

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that can, and some that cannot be copyrighted.

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Um, how many of your copyright holders. Okay

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, so how many of you have written have taken

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pictures, okay, and maybe written, you know

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, a letter or a summary of some of your

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work in class or some of your work for teaching

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. Okay, so you have created original work,

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so you are, by default a copyright holder.

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Um, even, um though maybe you might not

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know it when I tell students this, they get

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very excited thinking. Oh, we're copyright holders.

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This is That's really, really exciting. So as

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a copyright holder, as a copyright owner, you

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have the exclusive right to do all of these things

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with your work for your lifetime. And your heirs

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carry that, um, privilege for 70 years after

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you pass. Um, so you have the exclusive

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right to reproduce, to distribute, to perform,

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display, transmit and create derivative works. Of course

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, I can ask you when I do this with

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your work, or I can find an exemption in

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the law, or I can do a fair use

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analysis, which may give me permission to use that

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use your work. So this should actually say employee

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VT employees. But, um, as employees of

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the university, you're also bound by policy 13,000.

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Um, and this means that you own the copyright

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to your work. But the university retains certain rights

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, um, to free use in teaching research extension

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forever. So the works that you create as an

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employee, um, are something that the university may

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use, um, in teaching research, etcetera.

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This is not something that tends to be instituted.

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Uh, there's no place where where actually, there

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is a place, the institutional repository. But there

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isn't a standard place where faculties say I'm going to

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put all of my things here so everyone can use

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them. Um, when faculty want to share,

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we'd love to see more of that. Uh,

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yeah. Anyway, I'll just stop stop there with

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that idea. We can come back to that if

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you like. So, um, as an employee

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, um, you own the copyright unless you sign

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your rights away. So if you have published had

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a book published by commercial publisher, you've published a

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journal article. Um, chances are that you have

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been asked to that you've been asked to give away

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some of your rights or all of your copyrights for

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work. So if you have done that, that

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means that you've lost control of that work, you

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would have to treat it like any other work.

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If you want to use it in your class,

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if you want to upload it to scholar, if

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you want to put it on your website. So

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if this is an interest, I'd love to talk

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with you later about it. But we suggest that

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authors, um submit an author Dunham and try to

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negotiate these rights with publishers to retain some of their

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rights. Um, so that you can use the

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work that you've created, um, so that you

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can share the work that you've created, according to

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, um, What what you're hoping to do with

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it also. All right, so in, um

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, the U. S. And I should say

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at this point, I am not an attorney,

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just not legal advice. Um, in the U

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. S. Works are divided into three basic categories

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. So public domain public domain is where copyrighted works

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go when they have are no longer copyrighted. Materials

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that are published prior to 1923 are in the public

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domain. Most U. S. Government works.

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If, for example, if you worked for the

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National Park Service and part of your job was to

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take pictures. Those pictures would be in the public

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domain. Not all U S. Government works are

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in the public domain because there are a lot of

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contracting, Um, Texas situations where someone is not

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a government employee and they're creating works for the government

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. Anyway, um, so their works by copyright

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, that are owned by someone else and works that

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are protected by copyright that are owned by you.

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Because you've either retain copyright or, um, you

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have, um you have not allowed anyone else to

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use it. How many of you are in the

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classroom from time to time? Thanks. So s

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And then how many of you publish things from time

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to time? Right. Okay, good. We

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have a good mix, so teachers and authors may

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want to use somebody else's material. You might want

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to use an image. You may want to use

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a quote. You might want to, um,

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display something in a presentation. Either at the university

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or in public. You might want to transmit a

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clip, an audio clip or a video clip.

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You might want to create derivatives of something. Um

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, what are what are the steps were for doing

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this. So there are several ways that we can

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legally respond. Um, first is to obtain permission

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. Um, that's not Doesn't just mean ask for

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permission. It means get permission. So, um

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, you can obtain permission. Sometimes this is difficult

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. It takes time. Um, you can identify

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an exempt or a fair use under U. S

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copyright law, and I should mention that there's a

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fair use workshop. If you're interested in how to

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do a fair use analysis, there's a workshop coming

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up in March or you can identify an exempt use

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. There are all kinds of, um, exemptions

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. There are many exemptions for face to face teaching

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, and there are exemptions in distance learning. There's

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some exemptions for libraries, exemptions for architectural works.

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We suggest that if you choose to use copyrighted work

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that you maintain documentation. What exemption were you thinking

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? I'm using this exemption when you were when you

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decided to use the work. Um, so we're

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not going to go in great detail into fair use

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into these particular exemptions, because it's not our focus

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, but that's I was wondering if you were planning

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to talk at all about copyrighted works where you can

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actually get in touch with or identify people's copyright right

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? Orphan works is what they tend to be called

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, and that is an ongoing problem. The US

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Copyright Office is addressing actively working on what to do

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. I don't have an answer for you, but

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that's definitely I Thank you for bringing up that issue

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. That's definitely a problem right now. When you

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can't find a person or you know who the person

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is and they have no errors, you don't basically

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, as far as I know, the way the

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law stance is that you cannot use the work without

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permission, even if there's no one to ask permission

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from. So, um, okay, a few

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other solutions that our legal ways to respond um,

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you can link to material that is, um,

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subscribed by the library. You can put your own

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material or library material on reserve or the reserve.

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Uh huh. Libraries enjoy special dispensation from, uh

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, within US copyright law, so libraries are allowed

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to create reserves to upload materials to to our servers

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. Um, this is not the same as uploading

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content to scholar. Um, if you want to

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upload content to scholar, we would really suggest you

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start with using library resources, and then, if

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you feel like that's insufficient, um, come talk

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to us. We can show you how to do

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a fair use analysis. It's not something we can

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do for you. Um, but we can show

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you how to do it and how to make the

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decision regarding what is fair and what's infringing. Um

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, so forth. Way to legally respond. Use

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material from the public domain. And fifth way,

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use openly licensed material. How many of you are

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familiar with open, open licensing? Okay. All

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right. So a little bit, um what is

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open licensing? Um, this is a six minute

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video. It's really fun. It's openly licensed.

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Um, and I'm going to show it to you

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because it explains in six minutes. Um, what

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I would take 20 minutes to explain, and it's

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really fun. So we're going to take a little

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detour for this. Sorry about that. Yeah,

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there's my my big screen. Okay. Yeah.

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Okay. These are Jack and make quite also known

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as the White Surprise. They're a band from Detroit

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. They make rock and roll without a bass guitarist

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. Mhm. This is speaking McDonald veteran band Red

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Cross. Steve thought White Stripes could use a bass

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player, so he appointed himself. He took the

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website album or point blood cells, and we recorded

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it, laying a bass track down on every song

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. Then he released the results as MP three's on

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Red Cross, his website. He even made up

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a new album, Cover and title read. Let's

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Have MacDonald began putting these copyrighted songs online without permission

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from the White Stripes for their record label. During

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the project, he bumped into Jack White, who

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gave him spoken assent to continue. It can be

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that easy when you skip the intermediaries collaboration across space

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and time created co authorship with people you've never met

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standing on the shoulders of your peers. It's what

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the Internet is all about. It can be that

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easy. Skip Intermediate. Okay, but couldn't it

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be easier? Still, not many of us are

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liable just to talk into Jack White and get the

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green light. And he's not gonna let just anyone

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play the bass over his songs in any case.

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me to play along? Shouldn't we be able to

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if they don't mind. Enter one of the Internet's

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most famous citizens. Face familiar the world over a

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public identity rivaled only by a handful of corporate giants

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and global superstars. A big copyright. C.

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Everyone knows what Big C stands for Big C means

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all rights reserved. Big C Means asked permission.

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Big C protects copyright owners and notifies the rest of

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us of their own ship. Time was when you

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had to put a big C on anything we wanted

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copyright or else it entered the public domain, the

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Commons of Information, where nothing is owned and all

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is permitted. You have to put the world on

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notice to one that was Pixies job, and it

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was a useful one. What changed the law?

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had changed so that works become copyrighted automatically the moment

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they're made. The moment you hit save on that

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research paper. The second shut up snaps closed.

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doodle, your creation is copyrighted. Where the big

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C makes a cameo or not. So suddenly there's

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no quick way of knowing whether something's owned or not

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. The new rules make it clear about how you

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get to own work. You don't have to do

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anything, but they say nothing at all about how

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you should go about announcing that you want to allow

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certain uses of your work. So what? Well

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won't let you put a song on a file sharing

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network, or if you're a professor trying to put

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together online course materials or if you're a DJ chasing

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down permission to use every snippet of song in your

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sonic collage, if you're one of these people,

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then you know so what we interrupt this brainstorm to

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call the lawyers. You drop what you're doing and

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call all the lawyers. You asked for permission.

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it because you have no idea what the authors in

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10 years you ask for permission, even share some

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of your rights or you venture forward, unsure what

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your risks and rights are exactly, or in a

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haze of legal talent, you do nothing. The

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bottom line. Big C is out of a job

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. A little men are not mhm. Enter Creative

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Commons. Creative Commons wanted to find an easy way

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to help people tell the world up front that they

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want to allow some uses of their work. We

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call the experts the U. S Copyright Office for

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advice. Their response. There's no real answer.

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Get creative. So we've got a creative how our

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CC brand marks works but are governed by Creative Commons

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licenses instead of standardized copyright licenses available free of charge

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on our website, we wrote these licenses so that

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lawyers and courts could read them. Then we translated

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them into a language you can read, and then

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we translated them into language. Computers can be now

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see, see is meant for people to calculate.

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But the count it allows you to retain your copyright

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while granting the World Commission to make certain uses of

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it upon certain conditions. If the big seems like

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a red light, then CC is a green light

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. But the Big C says no trespassing. Double

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C says, Please come in. If the big

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C says all rights reserved, Sisi says, some

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rights reserved so you can use the powers of the

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Net to find works free to share and build upon

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and to invite other people to transform or trade yours

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so that you can get creative Not only what you

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make, how you make it available so you can

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collaborate across space and time. So you can be

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a co author with someone you've never met. So

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you can stand on the shoulders of your peers all

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without asking permission. Because permission has already been granted

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Creative Commons get created. It's easy when you skip

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the intermediate. Yeah. Okay. I love to

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hear your thoughts on that. I think first of

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all, it's really fun. Um, what was

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striking to you? What was new? Yes,

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I asked Jack Would Was the song I was?

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Yeah. Points. Uh huh. Mhm. Good

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. Good. Comment? Yes. In that case

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was also a verbal permission. So on the line

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. Uh huh. Document. This is a very

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These are very advanced remarks. Yes. Okay.

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Yeah. Good. So documentation did the person actually

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own the work? Who gave permission to use it

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? Good questions, Other thoughts? Yes. I

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didn't know that the second hit save or whatever that

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it's automatically cooperate your video? Uh huh, Yeah

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, yeah, That's, um, that's how it

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works. It's pretty amazing. So everything from your

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grocery list two notes that you might take during a

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meeting are copyrighted, unless you say otherwise. So

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it's great on one hand, and on another hand

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, it's, um, difficult. If most of

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the things that we create our copyrighted in questions,

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I'm curious. If you have copyrighted works that you

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retain all the rights to and you want to move

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to a creative Commons license, what you would have

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to do is there anything except create a new version

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of it that has been Creative Commons. Information on

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that is what you would have to do. If

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you own all the rights, then it is yours

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to do what you would like with it. It's

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just the people who might have all Pepper. They

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wouldn't know. I get the same question when people

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say, if I release something with the C C

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. A Creative Commons license on it and there are

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several different kinds will look at the different licenses.

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Can I take the license off? And the answer

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is sort of, but not really, um,

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those items that are out there, um, that

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you've openly licensed that people have. They are free

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to redistribute them and to do all of the things

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that you found so that they could do. But

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in your new copy, you can put a copyright

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notice on it. There's a book company that's actually

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done this called Flat World that moved from a Creative

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Commons license back to charge to copyrighting their material and

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charging for it as a way to have a more

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sustainable business model. Very controversial. Oh, action

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, of course. But no. Any other thoughts

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? One of the things that people tell me when

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they see this video is Oh, So instead of

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the sea, do we put the CC on on

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the work? Um, the work is still copyrighted

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. You still own it, but you would make

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mention of which license you've added. You've applied to

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the work and you'll see these in a number of

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places. Sometimes you'll see just the logo. Um

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, sometimes you'll just see one of these logos.

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Um, sometimes you'll see. You'll see them written

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out, for example, of the work will say

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, this work is licensed with an attribution only four

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point Oh no, license. Um, so these

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are really just three ways of talking about the licenses

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, the picture, the attribution license or the nickname

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, as I like to call it, um CC

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by Sisi by s A So I'd like to show

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you, um, these are the six elements.

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Sorry. The four elements, um, that make

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up the licenses. All of them have the attribution

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element this allows people to copy, distribute, display

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, perform there. There's some familiar. All those

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things that you were your exclusive rights as a copyright

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owner these address and say please do this. Um

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, the other ones, um, will somehow limit

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how open something is. Um, if you say

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no derivative works, that means someone can copy and

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distribute your work, but they can't change anything.

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Can't change the font. They can't translate it.

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Um, they can't change the graphics. Um,

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it has to stay as is. So that's That's

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a kind of an equivalent to free online. Um

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, except most most things free online. Er anyway

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, retract. Um, that's the most limited one

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. No derivative course. Um, Cheryl Lake requires

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you if you are embedding somebody's work in your own

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to share your created work with the same license.

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Um, and then noncommercial doesn't apply to a whether

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or not you work in a company, but it

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applies to whether or not you're actually making money off

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of something. So these are combined into six different

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licenses. The top four are considered open licenses.

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The bottom two are not considered to not be open

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licenses. So the top license being the most open

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license allows you, allows you telling others or others

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telling you you can distribute this you can remix tweak

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. You can build on this, but you have

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to credit me. You can also make money off

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of it. Um, which is a really kind

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of novel thing that people would give their work away

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, Um, and allow others to make money off

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of it. The books that you see over here

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are actually licensed CC by, um, I think

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that the the the publisher, which is out of

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Rice University, um, the open stacks college program

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, um believes that none of the commercial publishers will

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come along and put their cover on on the works

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and sell it because probably they have already done that

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. Um, but they have a lot of really

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interesting partnerships. As a result of the CCB license

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, they can work with commercial partners. Um,

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a little bit more limited is the CC by s

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A. This tells people, okay, you can

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do all the things that you can do with the

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CCB license you must attribute. But if you create

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something, you have to share it with the same

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license. So cc by SA means that your work

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, which is derived from there's, needs to have

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the same license. Any questions about the S A

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. Okay, um, since he by M.

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C um, you can share it. Uh,

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this tells people that you want them to their allowed

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to modify, to redistribute, to display, perform

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. Um, but they can't make money off of

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it, so kind of shuts the door on that

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. And then, um, the noncommercial share,

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like is a combination of of the two immediately above

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licenses. So this reinforces, um, the non

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commercial and the okay to make derivatives, but not

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in a commercial sort of way. Um, these

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are really complicated to think through. Um, I

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think the main takeaway I would have you walk away

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with for this is to know that each of these

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require attribution. You need to say, What is

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the name of the work that you used? If

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you, uh, are exciting, something with the

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CC by or you're reusing something. What license was

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it under And ideally, where you found it.

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Mhm So and then the last two are no derivatives

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and non commercial, No derivatives. Um, So

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how do you cite something like this? You can

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cite it in a really messy way. So this

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is the title of the work Copyright camp by gross

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Great Gross. Meyer. Here's where the link is

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. Here is the name of a license. Here

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is the link for the license. Okay, that's

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pretty ugly. So I would rather use copyright camp

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with the hyper linked the author's name and then the

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type of license with the hyperlink back to the license

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. Um, that gives us all the information we

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would need to find. The original work credits the

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author as they wanted to be credited. And it

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tells people on what the licenses that you under which

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you use this the second license. Our second forum

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video works, though if you've got it online.

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Yeah, credit for that person, right? Yeah

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, because otherwise, particularly the link to where you

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got the original. You can you should. Did

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you see some people site found in flicker? Or

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, um, I think the best practice is to

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use all of the information rather than not a lot

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of people ask, Where do I include this?

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Okay, put it where your works cited or your

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bibliography or your list of references. Um, is

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, um, if you're using a medium that uses

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this kind of that format, um, do you

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have an audio medium? Put it at the beginning

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, but at the end, are you creating an

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image? You can go in the caption go at

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the end of a document. If your images embedded

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in the document, um, you can put it

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in credits of the film. Um, so lots

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of different places where to put these this credit?

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Um, one other thing. I, I think

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it's hopeful, is to know that there are three

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different levels of layers of licenses. There's one that

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is legally defensible. There's one that is plain language

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, and there's a machine readable version. Um,

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the reason that you might want to make things machine

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readable is so that people can find them. So

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there is no one central place for openly licensed work

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. People ask this. Where do I go?

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Where's the one place? And there isn't a one

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place. There are many different places. Uh huh

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. So if you are creating openly license works,

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make sure that their machine readable and they will be

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easier for other people to find and use. Um

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, so that brings us to where Where do I

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find these kinds of things? What's available? Oh

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, many types of media, um, images sound

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, um, moving pictures. Texts, of course

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. The example of, um, textbooks over here

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. Um, simulations, interactive materials. There are

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a lot of educational resources that are openly licensed.

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Um, some of my favorites are looking at images

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through on flicker. People have put up some really

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beautiful things. Um, if you go to this

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top page, which is search dot creative commons dot

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org and I'll make sure you have a link to

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this presentation. Um, you can use the different

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licenses. You can check the boxes at the top

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to say what kind of license you want, and

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then in the box, you type what you're looking

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for, and click on any of the buttons for

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the type of source you want to look for,

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and it will automatically do the search for you.

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Um, so as I mentioned, there's music if

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you have students or you yourself like to put background

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music on slide shows or, um, presentations or

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you just really love music. And, um,

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you want to to combine? Um, certain bits

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of music. There are people who are openly licensing

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music. There are universities that are openly licensing courseware

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. This is useful if you're teaching and you want

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to see how somebody else taught the material or you

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want to see what they aside, What kind of

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assessments did they, um, did they give to

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their students? And as you see on the very

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bottom, you can see the creative Commons license.

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Um, CC by NC s A. Um,

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these are really fun. How many of you are

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kind of amateur science geeks? Anyone? Okay,

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thank you for for being Yeah, mhm open to

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talk about that. All right, so I just

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want to show this to you, because I think

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it's really fun. Um, and this is one

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of my favorite ones, But if you if you

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know something about or you're interested in, um,

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finding out about how concentrated something is, You could

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add some of the Kool Aid to, um,

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this water, and then you can see what level

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of concentration Um, it has. And if it's

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too concentrated, you can add more water. Or

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if it's not concentrated enough, you can evaporate some

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of the water. And when you're done, you

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can serve up your Kool Aid. Um, so

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this is a really fun, um, really fun

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interactive example. It's relatively simple. They get a

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lot more complex to the degree that I do not

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understand. Um, do you have a Do you

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have a comment? Yes. You can serve it

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up with your three. I don't know if they

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print liquids yet, I guess. I guess we

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don't know that to me. Um, yeah.

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So, um, you can find Creative Commons license

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materials in YouTube. Of course, there are openly

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licensed textbooks, um, different places to find them

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. Um, if you're attending any of the open

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Education Week events, um, the Thursday and Friday

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events are all led by folks from the open textbook

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library at the University of Minnesota. um, there

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are. These probably are the three major places to

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look for English language, openly licensed materials. Um

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, Marlowe is from California state system. Joram is

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from the U K and O er comments is actually

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, um, the organization that that now hosts the

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National Science Digital Library content so you can find that

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content there as well. Um, Google also has

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an advanced search feature called Usage Rights. Um,

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which maps? It doesn't tell you. These are

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creative Commons licenses, but, um, they map

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to the CC licenses, um, so you can

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find open resources that you can reuse and in many

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cases, edit. Um, so let's talk about

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briefly about a definition. Um, when I know

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that we're talking about open licensing, um, broadly

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, um, we talk sometimes about open educational resources

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. Um, those would be resources that span a

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really wide range of types of works, everything from

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courses to course materials, modules, textbooks, some

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kinds of software videos. Other tools are considered to

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be educational, so it's almost anything and but the

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key is that the materials either need to reside in

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the public domain or they need to have an open

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license affixed to them be somehow marked so that you

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know what you're looking at. Um, I would

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love to just stop here and, um, hear

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from you about how you think he's what you might

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look for what you create that you might share,

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uh, or ideas that you have about what might

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be some possible applications of these concepts. So and

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thoughts? Yes. Oh, warrior. What is

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the border between noncommercial and commercial, for example,

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with anything with the music of genital isn't always,

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um, things that are used in the classroom are

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, by definition, on commercial. Ah, I

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think one of the biggest questions that I get is

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Well, one of the questions I get is whether

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or not someone can do a lecture, be paid

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and use creative Commons materials. And because they're making

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money off of their presentation, I think it falls

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outside of non commercial use. Um, anytime there's

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00:35:52.179 --> 00:35:58.050 A:middle L:90%
money evolved, um, with regard to fundraising.

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Mhm. Yeah, my sense is that everybody on

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the right, but but they're part of a nonprofit

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organization. Is that where you, um Well,

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what is the specific activity? Yes. You're being

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paid to teach. You're being paid in a nonprofit

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setting. This is your part of your work,

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but you're not. University enjoys a non. We're

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not a for profit company, right? So I

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guess an example of a non profit company who is

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making money off of this and could not use Creative

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Commons for that for a particular reason would be someone

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00:36:43.429 --> 00:36:45.420 A:middle L:90%
who wants to use images for fundraising purposes or something

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like that where there's a direct exchange of cash,

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00:36:52.429 --> 00:36:55.250 A:middle L:90%
that kind of commercial better. Uh huh. So

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, yes, I recognize the university does have we

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have a business model. We have to bring money

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in and pay people and retain employees. And that's

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00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:12.190 A:middle L:90%
probably not as clear cut as you like. Uh

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00:37:12.190 --> 00:37:14.780 A:middle L:90%
huh. So I can look more into that.

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00:37:14.780 --> 00:37:15.539 A:middle L:90%
If you want to talk about details, yes,

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00:37:15.929 --> 00:37:20.030 A:middle L:90%
there's a lot of fair use with education for video

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, and you can use it carries mhm. Mhm

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00:37:24.929 --> 00:37:30.090 A:middle L:90%
. So that would be copyrighted material that you would

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00:37:30.090 --> 00:37:32.449 A:middle L:90%
need to apply a fair use analysis to, um

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00:37:34.230 --> 00:37:39.539 A:middle L:90%
, the openly licensed things I need to think about

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00:37:39.539 --> 00:37:44.420 A:middle L:90%
whether or not the open license trumps the copyright in

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case in a case where you want to use something

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00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.650 A:middle L:90%
under fair use I'm not sure about that. So

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00:37:50.630 --> 00:37:52.619 A:middle L:90%
other thoughts. How would you use these kinds of

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things? So in the work that I do publishing

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00:37:55.329 --> 00:37:59.340 A:middle L:90%
, yeah, conferences and journals and, uh,

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the Yeah, Yeah, it's that open access seven

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00:38:07.409 --> 00:38:12.760 A:middle L:90%
things part of it. Because, as you said

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earlier, we are often asked to sign away rights

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moving using your panties. And yet we provide materials

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like the in some sense, the editorial Reverend neighbors

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. And ultimately, once upon a time, they

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actually produce the books. But they don't do that

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because it's all online. So there's very little that

618
00:38:37.059 --> 00:38:40.239 A:middle L:90%
the publishers provide. So I'm interested again. Um

619
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:44.789 A:middle L:90%
, I know this is the right moment I'm interested

620
00:38:44.789 --> 00:38:50.449 A:middle L:90%
in and hearing your view on the aspect to people's

621
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respect. One that arguments is off is that there's

622
00:38:53.380 --> 00:38:59.250 A:middle L:90%
still in credibility gap people, publishing menus and things

623
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like that. So we can just Hmm. Um

624
00:39:04.269 --> 00:39:14.010 A:middle L:90%
, sure. Okay. With regard to I think

625
00:39:14.010 --> 00:39:15.239 A:middle L:90%
I probably know more about the book side than the

626
00:39:15.250 --> 00:39:19.250 A:middle L:90%
journal side right now. And the colleagues who are

627
00:39:19.820 --> 00:39:22.409 A:middle L:90%
talk with you for hours about the journal side.

628
00:39:23.420 --> 00:39:29.780 A:middle L:90%
Some of the open publishing houses employ. They will

629
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pay their authors. They will pay their reviewers and

630
00:39:32.059 --> 00:39:37.920 A:middle L:90%
have a very strict Uh huh. Quality control process

631
00:39:37.929 --> 00:39:44.110 A:middle L:90%
for the protection of of some openly license works are

632
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:45.199 A:middle L:90%
created by one person, and they view it more

633
00:39:45.210 --> 00:39:49.989 A:middle L:90%
as of open source code like here it is.

634
00:39:49.989 --> 00:39:52.139 A:middle L:90%
It's unfinished. Add to fix it, Change it

635
00:39:52.150 --> 00:39:55.239 A:middle L:90%
, make it better. Mm. It depends on

636
00:39:55.619 --> 00:40:00.639 A:middle L:90%
the source. He was One other aspect out of

637
00:40:00.650 --> 00:40:04.429 A:middle L:90%
her window is the fact that so much shouldn't be

638
00:40:05.610 --> 00:40:09.539 A:middle L:90%
tenure review process. Abusive. Mhm quality publications.

639
00:40:09.550 --> 00:40:13.260 A:middle L:90%
Yes, yes. And so there's. Right now

640
00:40:13.260 --> 00:40:16.309 A:middle L:90%
, the system appears to be stacked against open sense

641
00:40:16.309 --> 00:40:20.739 A:middle L:90%
that not recognize this in my field. Yes,

642
00:40:21.210 --> 00:40:24.940 A:middle L:90%
okay, open publishing venues that will give you.

643
00:40:27.110 --> 00:40:30.480 A:middle L:90%
I think that's changing. There are a number of

644
00:40:30.489 --> 00:40:32.360 A:middle L:90%
Julie if you want to jump in. I couldn't

645
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hear. Oh, he's asking about the journal publishing

646
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environment, the open journal publishing environment, whether or

647
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not open journals are competitive in terms of quality with

648
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:46.900 A:middle L:90%
commercial journals, quality of peer review. So my

649
00:40:46.929 --> 00:40:49.630 A:middle L:90%
point is a little bit different in the sense that

650
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.670 A:middle L:90%
because we are the referees, the we do all

651
00:40:52.670 --> 00:40:55.889 A:middle L:90%
of the quality assurance that aspect of it and the

652
00:40:55.900 --> 00:41:00.269 A:middle L:90%
publishing houses are the ones that actually became the copyright

653
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:01.239 A:middle L:90%
because they have done so. They came from the

654
00:41:01.250 --> 00:41:05.739 A:middle L:90%
old regime where they did provide services and it did

655
00:41:06.309 --> 00:41:07.260 A:middle L:90%
do a lot. They've got the statute in other

656
00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:10.349 A:middle L:90%
words, for instance, publishing in nature. So

657
00:41:10.969 --> 00:41:14.269 A:middle L:90%
they've got the statutes published in nature. That's a

658
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:19.849 A:middle L:90%
big deal. It's a big deal. Other others

659
00:41:19.849 --> 00:41:22.360 A:middle L:90%
as well. And yet a lot of them have

660
00:41:22.369 --> 00:41:28.530 A:middle L:90%
Priest Draconian. Take all your rights to produce starting

661
00:41:29.010 --> 00:41:32.090 A:middle L:90%
so I'd like to see it would be more open

662
00:41:32.090 --> 00:41:36.269 A:middle L:90%
and more fair. Obviously, I'm not precluding the

663
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:37.940 A:middle L:90%
fact that they find a business model where they can

664
00:41:38.710 --> 00:41:40.739 A:middle L:90%
building on it, make the night they want me

665
00:41:43.010 --> 00:41:44.469 A:middle L:90%
. But right now it's very much backed against the

666
00:41:44.469 --> 00:41:50.989 A:middle L:90%
wall. Yeah. Uh, yeah, I don't

667
00:41:50.989 --> 00:41:54.280 A:middle L:90%
really break out solutions. Students are finding workarounds,

668
00:41:55.909 --> 00:42:00.590 A:middle L:90%
but I think their response to the high textbook costs

669
00:42:00.590 --> 00:42:02.980 A:middle L:90%
indicates that there is the problem. Um, and

670
00:42:02.989 --> 00:42:07.570 A:middle L:90%
so one of the things that we're exploring is whether

671
00:42:07.570 --> 00:42:10.340 A:middle L:90%
or not there are some alternatives for some of the

672
00:42:10.340 --> 00:42:14.739 A:middle L:90%
courses that we teach here at Tech, where we

673
00:42:14.739 --> 00:42:20.090 A:middle L:90%
could save students money either by adopting replacing an existing

674
00:42:20.090 --> 00:42:22.809 A:middle L:90%
textbook with something that's open, um, replacing an

675
00:42:22.809 --> 00:42:28.210 A:middle L:90%
existing text book with something that's not a textbook with

676
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:35.960 A:middle L:90%
discrete learning objects and text and journal articles and these

677
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:37.940 A:middle L:90%
types of things or supplementing, of course, with

678
00:42:37.949 --> 00:42:42.110 A:middle L:90%
openly licensed material is a way to, uh,

679
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.809 A:middle L:90%
use this kind to kind of dip your toe in

680
00:42:45.809 --> 00:42:49.659 A:middle L:90%
the water and see Is this okay? So that's

681
00:42:49.670 --> 00:42:53.300 A:middle L:90%
another application beyond the not having to do a fair

682
00:42:53.300 --> 00:42:59.440 A:middle L:90%
use analysis and then the the first application. I

683
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.960 A:middle L:90%
would argue that these kinds of materials are much more

684
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:07.099 A:middle L:90%
flexible than commercially licensed materials because you can Uh huh

685
00:43:08.099 --> 00:43:12.050 A:middle L:90%
, digitize them can distribute them. You can change

686
00:43:12.059 --> 00:43:14.739 A:middle L:90%
them. You can change the images, change the

687
00:43:14.739 --> 00:43:19.010 A:middle L:90%
examples, change the problem sets. You can change

688
00:43:19.010 --> 00:43:23.719 A:middle L:90%
the formatting, whatever it takes to be a pedagogical

689
00:43:23.730 --> 00:43:29.059 A:middle L:90%
, creative, um, person, uh, instructor

690
00:43:29.059 --> 00:43:30.900 A:middle L:90%
in in your course you can do with these kinds

691
00:43:30.900 --> 00:43:35.139 A:middle L:90%
of materials. So I think that's an opportunity that

692
00:43:35.139 --> 00:43:37.889 A:middle L:90%
we don't often talk about. The the student savings

693
00:43:37.889 --> 00:43:42.739 A:middle L:90%
numbers can be huge of seeing numbers anywhere from$60,000

694
00:43:42.750 --> 00:43:45.880 A:middle L:90%
saved by university, up to$2 million saved by

695
00:43:45.889 --> 00:43:51.420 A:middle L:90%
a university for adopting open license and open licensed materials

696
00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:54.289 A:middle L:90%
in place of partial textbooks. So those are staggering

697
00:43:54.289 --> 00:43:58.010 A:middle L:90%
, but I think even more than there's a possibility

698
00:43:58.019 --> 00:44:02.010 A:middle L:90%
for learning innovation here and for publishing innovation. Two

699
00:44:02.489 --> 00:44:07.809 A:middle L:90%
. To publish some of these materials using other people's

700
00:44:07.190 --> 00:44:08.989 A:middle L:90%
, you know, pulling in other people's works.

701
00:44:09.489 --> 00:44:15.039 A:middle L:90%
Exciting them, of course, but to not have

702
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:19.360 A:middle L:90%
to reinvent the wheels. Oh, we're talking about

703
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:22.539 A:middle L:90%
these concepts more. There are some faculty who have

704
00:44:22.550 --> 00:44:27.469 A:middle L:90%
adopted or who have authored openly licensed materials for their

705
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:31.469 A:middle L:90%
classes. They're here tomorrow, Um, and at

706
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:35.989 A:middle L:90%
3. 30 between 3. 30 and six for

707
00:44:35.989 --> 00:44:37.869 A:middle L:90%
a panel discussion and a time of being able to

708
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.210 A:middle L:90%
chat with other folks who are interested in the same

709
00:44:40.219 --> 00:44:43.730 A:middle L:90%
same ideas. Um, And then before that,

710
00:44:43.730 --> 00:44:45.940 A:middle L:90%
we're going to hear from some students, Um,

711
00:44:45.949 --> 00:44:50.340 A:middle L:90%
12. 15 tomorrow, um, hear from students

712
00:44:50.340 --> 00:44:52.110 A:middle L:90%
regarding their experience buying textbooks. What do they do

713
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:54.480 A:middle L:90%
? What did they spend? What kind of impact

714
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:57.119 A:middle L:90%
did that have on them? Do they have to

715
00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:00.219 A:middle L:90%
get a second job? Did they decide to go

716
00:45:00.219 --> 00:45:02.809 A:middle L:90%
without what happened? As a result of that,

717
00:45:02.820 --> 00:45:07.440 A:middle L:90%
they do something illegal to get their content. What

718
00:45:07.449 --> 00:45:10.510 A:middle L:90%
? What was their experience? And how can we

719
00:45:10.989 --> 00:45:16.070 A:middle L:90%
, uh, encourage both there? How do we

720
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:22.429 A:middle L:90%
encourage their learning and meet the needs and address the

721
00:45:22.429 --> 00:45:23.869 A:middle L:90%
needs that they have. So thank you very much

722
00:45:23.869 --> 00:45:27.750 A:middle L:90%
for your time. Um, I would love to

723
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.309 A:middle L:90%
chat with you afterwards, and it's for a time

724
00:45:32.190 --> 00:45:38.280 A:middle L:90%
. Yeah, yes. Uh huh. Doesn't mean

725
00:45:38.289 --> 00:45:42.860 A:middle L:90%
that you pay work and you make available via becomes

726
00:45:42.869 --> 00:45:45.880 A:middle L:90%
what recourse do you have? You discover it's not

727
00:45:45.889 --> 00:45:47.849 A:middle L:90%
being used in different, right? Um well,

728
00:45:47.849 --> 00:45:52.989 A:middle L:90%
the the licenses are legally binding because they are written

729
00:45:52.989 --> 00:45:55.719 A:middle L:90%
in legalese. In addition to human, readable is

730
00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.380 A:middle L:90%
what they call, um, so similar to a

731
00:46:00.389 --> 00:46:04.949 A:middle L:90%
copyright infringement situation. You would have to sue the

732
00:46:04.949 --> 00:46:10.960 A:middle L:90%
infringer, so there's not a easy way to do

733
00:46:10.969 --> 00:46:16.190 A:middle L:90%
either. But that's the only do settlement you're going

734
00:46:16.190 --> 00:46:19.949 A:middle L:90%
to get is your loss of income. So there's

735
00:46:19.949 --> 00:46:22.800 A:middle L:90%
no associated loss of income. There's no point suing

736
00:46:23.139 --> 00:46:27.170 A:middle L:90%
and that directly But you can contact save GSP and

737
00:46:27.170 --> 00:46:29.199 A:middle L:90%
say this is not being used in accordance with the

738
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.440 A:middle L:90%
license. Can you go? Because I think they

739
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:34.980 A:middle L:90%
would honor the owner. I think they would honor

740
00:46:34.980 --> 00:46:37.889 A:middle L:90%
that because you do have a legal um, you've

741
00:46:37.900 --> 00:46:45.199 A:middle L:90%
clearly licensed your work. Mhm. I believe so

742
00:46:45.780 --> 00:46:46.190 A:middle L:90%
. Well, I know it is. The question

743
00:46:46.190 --> 00:46:50.449 A:middle L:90%
is whether it's respected the same way. Is there

744
00:46:50.449 --> 00:46:52.420 A:middle L:90%
a lot of recipes that pay no attention to you

745
00:46:52.429 --> 00:46:57.079 A:middle L:90%
and you say this is rights to it? My

746
00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.440 A:middle L:90%
guess is it's respect. One more. No less

747
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:08.900 A:middle L:90%
than copyrighted sounds. Does everybody? Yeah, I

748
00:47:08.909 --> 00:47:17.900 A:middle L:90%
think that's probably fair assumption. Mhm. All right

749
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.039 A:middle L:90%
, well, thank you. Hope to see you

750
00:47:21.050 --> 00:47:22.769 A:middle L:90%
later on this week. And there are other people

751
00:47:22.769 --> 00:47:29.639 A:middle L:90%
talking besides me, so Yeah, thank you very

752
00:47:29.639 -->  A:middle L:90%
much.

