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Yeah. Okay. Um my name is Ellen Krupar,

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 and I'm the college librarian for business, liason

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to apparel, housing, and resource management and service learning librarian.

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And so my title is even longer than Kiri's.

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I'm very proud of that. Uh this is this

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is just a very very overview. Just kind of

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remind people that there's protocols out there and it's just

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kind of touching base on it, but also to

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kind of remind people of what the base reason is

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for the data protocols and gathering protocols. It's really

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about preventing misuse. And also, and I'll give

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Kiri The credit for this one Is to avoid the

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three else for L. S. Are a little

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bit different than mine. Um, but it's basically

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if you don't follow the protocols, you're opening yourself

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up for liability which can lead to lawsuits which can

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lead to even more legislation, which will lead to

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even more data purpose. Yes, by the way

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, I love this picture because apparently instant death is

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not enough. You actually have to have a$200

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fine. I personally don't know if you have to

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pay the fine before the instant death or if you

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have it after just wasn't enough. So there are

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you know, punishments for touching the data wire.

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So when I think about that protocols that I'm just

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going to touch base on the three other on campus

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. So I R. B. I cook and

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I have no idea how to pronounce that. We're

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just going to go with that one and always remember

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whatever I'm filling out forms that seem a little bit

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too much like whatever I'm doing my taxes whenever I'm

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signing my life away, always remember that there's somebody

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to blame out there somewhere. Somebody has violated something

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. So if you look at product labels you'll see

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some weird things come up. For example, this

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is one of my favorites where it's a mix of

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nuts and then it's telling you that if you have

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an allergy to these nuts, not them. Mhm

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. I was actually eats once picked up a thing

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of peanut butter and says may contain peanuts. Yeah

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, I showed it to the cashier and I was

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like, get better contain peanuts because it's peanut butter

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. And they were like, well, you know

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, we just have to put it on there.

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So just remember somewhere, somewhere out there. Somebody

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sued somebody because peanut butter has peanuts, peanuts in

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it. And you know, they just didn't make

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that my other favorite one is this one. We

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need to be told that their Children are flammable.

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So just remember that somewhere somebody caused this product able

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to happen somewhere. Somebody required this protocol to be

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put in place and by the way, it's not

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me. Somebody or something actually read somewhere where somebody

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said that the product labels should actually have somebody's name

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on it. You can say, you know,

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I don't iron clothes while you're wearing them, especially

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you you know. Exactly. So you have to

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, you know, get an idea for I.

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R. B. That's the institutional review board.

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I picked this lovely picture because it epitomized to me

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that we all know hope what that we shouldn't put

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our subjects under physical stress and physical danger. But

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a lot of the it's also for mental thinking.

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So you also have to remember that in addition to

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if you're going to like do something to them physically

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, that's one thing, but you also can't mess

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with their minds too much. And I read once

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that undergraduates are the most study group in the world

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, anybody do what? Because they volunteer for studies

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and they'll do anything for credit. So one of

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the statements was that a lot of the psychology studies

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have a bias towards college students because it's mainly on

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college students. So you sometimes wonder how much is

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actually related to what college students are going through rather

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than, you know everybody. Yeah. And the

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seminars for an institutional review board, it applies if

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these four factors and I pulled this from their particular

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website. So they actually have a flow chart.

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We wander through the flow chart. But this is

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the flow chart to the yes where you have to

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go through I. R. V. It's basically

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if somebody's collaborating investigator or VTS engaged in the research

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that was a little bit fuzzier sometimes that released whether

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or not it is paying money towards the grant.

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And is it designed to contribute to generalize knowledge?

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So students that are in the class don't have to

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go through I. R. B. To survey

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people in order to do a class requirement. But

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if you're planning to actually publish something or if they

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cross the line where they want to publish it,

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they may have to kind of see why a and

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backtrack into already. And I have heard a story

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about a professor that was just about to publish in

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his premier journal and he was so happy and then

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he realized that he had involved his undergraduates and collected

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data for them. And he then he was like

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I wonder if I have to do irony. So

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he went to them and they said yes but they

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fast tracked his information. So he was actually able

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to publish they don't like to do that. I'd

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like for you to think of that benefit, then

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also does the research involve intervention of interactions with with

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individuals. So that does include service. So if

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you're so many people you have to um get that

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information to Air B. And frankly I never think

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about surveys as needing Irby but occasionally it just sort

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of like, oh yeah. So think of these

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things and what projects for in general trump is research

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project. So that would be a fuzzy one.

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If it includes private data, you may also have

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to go through the Air B. Okay. So

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that's one where I would go to our B and

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say, hey, you need to be involved and

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that may be kind of in the engagement area.

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And has anybody gone through the army process? Are

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you willing to share your experiences? I'll pick on

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you because I know you're going to have to.

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I'm lucky. I do mostly surveys. So those

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go through pretty quickly because I'm not asking really simple

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questions or traumatic events or anything like that. I'm

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not injecting anybody with anything. So. But the

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actual training itself, once you take it, it's

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good. Biggest thing too though is if you do

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any inter institutional collaborations, make sure you go by

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the strictest institutions requirements. So we have pretty good

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requirements. But if you're working with somebody from the

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university of Georgia or UV. A. And they

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have something that stricter, make sure you go under

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their I. R. B. That way you

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are completely covered. You might not have training in

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more than one place. How about you? I

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work mostly with you sister together. Qualitative and quantitative

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, sometimes videos taking notes or interviews. and one

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thing I learned more recently uh is well one of

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you people at night you can call them up and

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asking questions. That's what I did. I was

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filling out the protocol and I was like I'm not

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quite sure this is what actually distance coaches I called

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them. I said yeah that's fine. And then

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she started telling me basically things people normally leave out

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that you should. So I was like really,

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what else is there? So I don't have to

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go back and do anything extra. So that kind

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of good experiences interacting with people who work there okay

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. In my experience with him has been that they've

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been very helpful but they really would prefer for you

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that started beginning not be right before publishing. Yeah

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, I'm happy with them. Mhm. And when

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you do these types of surveys, you do have

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to provide information to the subjects. So for example

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, here are some current surveys or studies being done

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. I personally need the aging of memory study but

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I know I'm not qualified. So it's all different

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types of things. Yeah. No. And then

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they have general recruitment for different requirements. So I'm

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looking for what actually looked at this one myself.

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Pop that up a little bit just to participate because

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I've never gone through the RB process. But I

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have more than the victim sort of things were taken

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surveys And I've talked about doing this particular one.

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And so it's more on the side of where you

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have to tell people what the requirements are. Because

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like I like hearing pointed out kindly that I'm not

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65 So I can't do the agent in memory one

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. That one would have been cool. But I

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also when I reflect on the protocols, I sometimes

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wonder I've had 30 or 40 or 50 years.

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We're gonna be considered the barbarians for doing things to

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people. Because if you look backwards in time at

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one time it was entirely acceptable to take cancer cells

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and inject them in people's arms and see what happens

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. Okay. And you know at one time it

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was coming not common practice, but it was an

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acceptable practice to have college students shock each other to

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see whether or not they would continue to shock each

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other in particular experiment to see whether or not people

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have empathy. So sometimes I think well 40 years

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scanning people with Mri's be considered bad. So sometimes

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I look at that with different philosophy. Mhm wow

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. Yeah. Now Animal Research yes government by the

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Animal Research Policy. So it involves several different offices

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. Um And the main one that you probably interact

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with this is I A Cook and that's the committee

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that runs uh huh. Basically the process that you

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have to go through and it's basically any animal research

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that's not human because humans are actually under the R

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. B. And this is one where there are

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friendly but they're not quite as accepting this irony.

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Yeah. Because it's a whole another ball of wax

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of liability. So you can't even start your process

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before you go through the eye and that you have

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to go through four training elements before you can even

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do your proposal. There's a lot of more forward

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in and also that they conduct periodic inspections and they

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said and for the same six months that they actually

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look at all the facilities. So has anybody gone

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through the eye of cooks? Would you be willing

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to share your experiences? It just takes time.

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Lot of time. You're like, you don't have

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to specify that you identify moments when you're like why

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did I have to fill this out? So somebody

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must have done something that well, I mean,

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you know, it seems pretty straight forward and look

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what I thought were you were ever going to eat

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the animals? You don't ever have to feel anything

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out. So that was weird. Anything else seem

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normal? That does seem a little odd. Makes

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me a little bit less interested in buying the meat

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that you can buy from on campus. You never

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know what's gonna happen. I hope so. I

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, yeah. So they would still have to go

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through procedures. I certainly hope so. Because when

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the meat because they've done radiation studies with of course

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, that was just a rumor. Wasn't that the

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undergraduates Globe? Okay. Now, International Research is

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sort of a segment that it's less natural to think

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of. But there is an office that deals with

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that the office of export and secure research compliance.

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I like this picture by the way since made in

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the USA of USA And I like that that's you

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know, in the lesson plan. So basically if

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you're doing any sort of research that includes international components

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, you probably need to talk to them. Mhm

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. And oddly enough, they have even more qualifiers

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than the other area. And one of the things

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that I didn't know before I started looking into this

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is if you intend to host someone at Virginia tech

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, you have to contact them and just to tell

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them and then they may or may not have to

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do anything further. And we actually have a program

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that we have friends coming over from South Africa and

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you know, you basically just have to tell them

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. And obviously like brands are not sharing deep dark

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secrets, at least not that we're going to tell

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you, but it's one of those things. Also

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if you intend to travel outside the United States now

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, trust me, they do not care. I

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go on vacation. If I'm going on official university

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business then they want to know. And one of

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the things when I look further into this, especially

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if you're taking a university laptop, university computer with

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you, university flash drive, that kind of thing

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because there's been several incidences where you leave your computer

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unattended malicious malware gets put on it and then it

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comes into the university and they will actually loan you

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a laptop take internationally in order to at least not

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prevent that. At least they wipe it before.

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Excellent. Our university and I intend to ship or

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carry items. I'm going to have foreign nationals participate

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in research activities. So if you have a co

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author that's in another country, that's a part of

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the international collaboration. Um And this is where it

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gets to the real nitty gritty of leveraging ship.

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It's probably not that important to the universities and the

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country's stability. But it's this military intelligence based encryption

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software. Nuclear related information is really where the rubber

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hits the road. That's really what they're looking for

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. They're not looking for library science secrets. They

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are looking for more military secrets, but things that

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you wouldn't expect to be covered. Sometimes we'll go

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under this encryption software. So if you have a

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key encryption key and you're sending that back and forth

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, sometimes that will come under that. So you

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have to kind of keep track of everything going on

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. And I haven't actually interacted with this group at

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all. Is there anybody that's interacted with them?

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Mhm. You didn't know that existed. That's more

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than I did. You know they existed? Austin

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visitors just like that first one is literally like someone's

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coming for two days to give a seminar and leave

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two different friends. So it, wow you can

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go and dig further with them. I imagine it's

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more likely to actually have an interest if it's related

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to these things. But they still kind of one

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of them. Right? I don't care if you

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want to know center yourself offers yourself outside. You

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got nothing. I'll I don't believe so. But

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I would still check with them just to make sure

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. I don't know that intend to travel outside your

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name, tag Virginia tech on it. That counts

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. Especially if you're taking university laptops, university material

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over there. That's something I would check. Like

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I said I haven't interacted with them because you know

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, I have traveled internationally national conference. There are

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some you would think You know that New Orleans would

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be enough to have 20,000 librarians Trump tricks. But

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there are international conferences but I just haven't gone.

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Is there anything else anybody else interact with? I

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didn't go to Thailand for vacation but nobody can taking

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anything. Yeah. So thanks to harry for information

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about that slide and notice that I'm giving credit for

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all of those pictures when the presentations are available and

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actually going to wipe out those pictures. Because even

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though I'm using them under creative commons license, you

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know librarian makes me paranoid about using pictures from other

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people. But I had to show you this product

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levels just because those were too much fun. So

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does anybody else have a product label that they can

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remember that relates to somebody somewhere. Must have done

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something bad. Mhm. Yeah. If you name

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yourself a favorite. Yeah that is a favorite.

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I uh although there is also the coffee is hot

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. Well that's always so that was basically a little

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over my time. Sorry what? You have to

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go back one? Oh it's I think it flipped

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forward one. Oh yeah that's why before that I

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think. Okay. Yeah this is how they were

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like we have right away. Don't you don't good

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to know. Uh That's actually based on a real

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lawsuit at Mcdonald's. Yes. Yes. Yes.

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So you can see that again. There was somebody

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who had done something bad that got a lawsuit that

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got a product label group and that's one of the

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few that we actually have her name. So we

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could have it on the product level. I have

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one chainsaws remove limbs other than on trees. Say

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that a letter chainsaws remove limbs other than on trees

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. I've also seen one that was on electrical transformer

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box that was on a roof. I've just seen

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a picture of it that they were told that their

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warning wasn't big enough or strong enough because they just

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said hazardous and so basically they put in hazardous electric

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, You will die and you will die in agony

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over to make sure that they do. So that's

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sort of like that original one instant death and$200

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. Um So I'm afraid that I'm over my time

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, that's what probably is gonna be staring at me

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wherever she ended up, so we're going to switch

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over to it that's coming out and Mhm. Mhm

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