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[MUSIC] I'd like to welcome everybody.

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My name is Russell Green.

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I'm a professor at

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the Geotechnical Engineering Program area

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from the Department of Civil and

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Environmental Engineering.

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My understanding is that we have,

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in addition to attendees

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from civil and environmental engineering,

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but also mining and geoscience,

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and I'd like to give a special welcome to them.

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My job is to introduce Mr. Allen Cadden.

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He's an alumni of Virginia Tech,

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he's the principal of Schnabel Engineering,

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and he's also the Chairman of the Board for Schnabel.

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He's been a strong supporter of our program,

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to include the sponsor of this lecture,

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as well as being the representative from Schnabel to

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the CTVTR setting that we have.

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After the lecture, there is food in the back,

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and that is also courtesy of Schnabel and

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all are welcome to partake in that.

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With that, I would like to welcome Allen Cadden.

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[APPLAUSE]

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Okay. Thank you.

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It's a pleasure to be back here at Virginia Tech.

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This is our 12th lecture,

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it's been a great month so far.

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I'm looking forward to another incredible lecture,

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so thank you for joining us today.

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Thank you, Dr. Green, Dr. Bills,

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and the associates back there,

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thank you very much for helping to coordinate all this.

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It's wonderful to see so many in attendance today.

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I always enjoy the opportunity to catch up with

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many old friends here when I visit the campus.

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We at Schnabel have enjoyed this opportunity to share

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some history and insight

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about the civil engineering world.

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In particular, the parts that interact with the Earth,

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which is really our specialty and our interest.

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Schnabel recently celebrated our 60th anniversary.

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I am proud to say that I've

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been part of about half of that,

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so over 30 years.

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I've been a part of Schnabel Engineering,

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and it's been a wonderful career for me.

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We have 18 offices,

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mostly on the East Coast.

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We work throughout the country and around the world,

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and for a firm of our size,

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we're rather unique having worked in

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about 140 different countries in the last decade or so.

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It's an interesting opportunity to see

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a lot of different experiences,

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and it's also a great opportunity to meet

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some wonderful people around the world,

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one of which is our speaker today,

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and we'll introduce you here in a second.

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I'm also happy to say that over the 60 years,

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we have grown in the breadth of

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our services as well as the geographic reach.

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Moving from predominantly a

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geotechnical engineering consulting firm,

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we now include geosciences,

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dam and underground engineering,

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and designing services with

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our staff of experienced people located in these offices.

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You'll know from our tagline,

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which you can see on

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the bottom there, "Build Better Together."

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That speaks to our focus on

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working closely together within

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our company to bring

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the best capabilities we can to a project,

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but also working closely with our clients to understand

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their needs and to find ways that

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we can help them become successful.

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You've probably been hearing something similar to

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that throughout your college career,

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that civil engineers lead teams.

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We work together to

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understand each other and to find solutions.

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This is the key to your success,

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and what will be key to your success,

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and is definitely the key to Schnabel's success

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over the years.

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It's probably a good segue

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to transition to the purpose that we're here for today,

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so thank you again for joining us.

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Let me introduce our guest speaker.

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With this lecture series,

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we strive to bring you representatives of

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the civil engineering construction community

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who have had a significant impact

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in the advancement of our practice and profession.

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This industry experts come to share

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experiences and insights gained throughout their career.

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They may further provide a

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little of their insight as to what you

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might experience that might not be

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in store for you early in your career.

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What you see at the end of your career

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is going to be completely up to you.

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Today, as our 12th Schnabel Engineering Lecturer,

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we're proud to bring you a good friend of

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mine who has worked around

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the world solving many interesting,

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self-service challenges, Mr. Paolo Mazzalai.

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Mr. Mazzalai has particular expertise in

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many areas of advanced engineering and related services,

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which he has developed throughout his career.

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In particular, in his career at

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his recent role as CEO of SWS Engineering.

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SWS is a company based in Italy,

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the Northern part of Italy,

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which also operates throughout

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subsidiaries from within North America,

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to Africa, the Middle East,

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and Asia, so he's seen a lot over the years.

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In 1973, Mr. Mazzalai

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graduated in Civil Engineering from

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the University of Padua,

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where he's also taught

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as associate professor for many years.

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That's near Venice, by the way,

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in case you ever want to take his class, but I'm kidding.

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He often reminds me

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that the field has been his laboratory.

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From the early dam engineering projects

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beginning in the 80s with Valda dam,

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which is near his home in Trento,

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to the 90s when he worked on

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one of the largest, at that time,

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TBM road tunnels in Martignano,

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[LAUGHTER] and continuing deep

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tunnels in squeezing ground in the Alpine mountains,

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like the Brenner Base Tunnel,

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that you'll hear more about today in his presentation,

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soon to be the world's longest

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railway tunnel when it's completed.

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The challenging urban tunneling installed

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consolidated in place in the City of Florence

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and investigations of the effect of urban tunneling and

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excavation on building distortion and damage.

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The keyword for his career has always been innovation.

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Nowadays, he's dealing with digital projects,

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large datasets, SSS infra protocol,

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which you'll have to corner him after the presentation in

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the back to ask him some details about that,

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and other new patented systems such as

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the Smart Cross Passages,

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which is a means to drill between tunnels underground,

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what a challenging feat.

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An international planner and designer of

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major infrastructure projects and transportation,

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including roadways, highways, and railways,

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and water systems including rivers and dams,

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Mr. Mazzalai has also never shied about sharing

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his experience as author

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and co-author of over a hundred scientific papers,

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as a member of several

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scientific and entrepreneurial associations.

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So without further ado,

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[FOREIGN] [LAUGHTER] Paolo Mazzalai.

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[APPLAUSE]

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Thank you. I try to wear

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the second micro because that one is just with me.

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You need me to help you put it on you?

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No. It's not so easy, but-

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You just stick that in your pocket.

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I put here.

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That might need to get pinned on. Okay.

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Hopefully, I don't break

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anybody's ears as I'm doing this.

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Okay.

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Here we go.

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It's fine. You listen me? Okay.

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Almost, there we go.

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Thank you, Allen. Can you hear it?

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Can you hear, everybody?

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Okay, thanks. Thank you all for being here.

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[NOISE] Thanks to Virginia Tech

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and to Schnabel for this invitation.

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Many thanks to Allen,

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I have had the opportunity to

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appreciate his professional skill and social commitment.

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My name is Paolo Mazzalai,

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being here with you is a great honor for me.

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For many years, I have taught

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Engineering at the University of Padua in Italy.

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In Padua, Italy, I've been involved in

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several road and railway infrastructure project,

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as well as dams and the regulatory plans.

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For the last 15 years,

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my main interest has focused on underground structure.

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[BACKGROUND] I am chairman of SWS,

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a mid-size engineering company based in Italy,

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small size compared to the US market size.

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Today, I'll be talking about opportunities,

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challenges, and innovation in underground tunneling.

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All the design cases I have selected

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for today's lecture are based on my own experience,

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as I've been directly involved in this project.

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In the next hour,

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I will discover together

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why we can define these cases special.

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My experience is international but today,

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I will present full works performed in Italy.

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Italy is one of a kind country,

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so compact, complex, so beautiful,

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what is necessary to apply innovative technologies

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and intelligence solution from

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a technical and environmental point of view.

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The goal of today's reading is to share lesson

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learn and ideas with students

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entering the engineering career.

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Ever since my 1st youth,

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I've lived in environment with

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many engineers and my 1st wish was to become an engineer.

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Now after many years of engineer profession,

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my answer to the question,

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what do engineers do is very simple;

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it's incredible and interesting life.

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I was so lucky,

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and I wish the same for all of you.

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[BACKGROUND] I hope I can transmit you today, at least,

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some personal experiences and most of all,

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the passion that has driven them.

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About my career, Allen just spoken enough,

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so I start with a short presentation of SWS.

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I founded SWS in 1982,

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it is based in Taranto.

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We started as a regional engineering consultancy firm

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dedicated to three main cores,

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soil, water, and structure.

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SWS is the acronym.

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Then about 15 years ago,

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our core business become

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that of underground infrastructure.

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Our tag is innovation in underground solution.

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SWS core values are passion,

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innovation, commitment and integrity.

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If we analyze the feedback of

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visitor from outside our organization,

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the most frequent one referring to

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people met in our office is passion and commitment.

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Our engineers are on average between 30 and 35.

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This is the confirmation that in a proper environment,

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the professional life of a young engineer can be

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truly inspired by passion and commitment.

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Now, I come back to you.

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You are in a beautiful University, Virginia Tech.

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I've been here for the 1st time, really beautiful.

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So I am sure that you are

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strongly motivated for being here.

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You are receiving high level education

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and training in this campus,

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but you must never forget then

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your future engineer profession

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will primarily consist in solving

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problems and taking decisions.

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This is what will be waiting for

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you in your future professional life.

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Now, let's see what's happening around.

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The world has been

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changing rapidly in the last few years,

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and with the same speed,

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the contents and method

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of engineering including tunneling,

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are changing as well.

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What drives the engineering science today?

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The same that drives

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the development of underground works.

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Input at the top, creativity, multidisciplinarity,

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and innovation are the driving forces

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for the any engineering and underground project.

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Creativity, you don't have to go far.

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Simply read the motto of your university to confirm it,

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invent the future, you are in the right place.

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Multidisciplinarity.

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Only the ability to manage

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multiple disciplines can lead to success in engineering,

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particularly in underground engineering.

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Some of these disciplines are

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geotechnical engineering, rock mechanics,

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mechatronics, material science and engineering,

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geology, MEP, architecture and many more.

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Innovation. It is the basis of any disruption,

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and disruptions are essential for growth.

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A small example of effective,

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innovative disruption has been our decision,

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15 years ago to transform SWS from

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a small multipurpose engineering company

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to a deeply specialized in underground solution.

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Output at the bottom.

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A project supported by the three driving forces above,

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you have safety,

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complexity management, and sustainability.

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Safety is a must that can never be forgotten.

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People's lives are worth more than any engineering job,

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both during construction and operation.

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Complexity management has to be in any engineering work.

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Managing complexity

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requires tools and organizational experience,

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typical of well-organized companies.

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Sustainability allows performing large work

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in sensitive and complex environment,

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maintaining the ecological balance,

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and avoiding depletion of natural resources.

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We start with a brief history

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of underground construction.

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When did excavation activity start in the past?

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The origins are very ancient,

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but I want to focus

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our analysis on the last two centuries.

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Tunnel excavation in the recent past has referred to

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conventional method associated with

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the countries when they have been 1st developed.

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Originally, the number of tunnels were

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small and excavation approach was not systematic,

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but based on specific experiences

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related to particular geological and local condition.

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You can see in this slide,

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different excavation sequences adopted in

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different countries like Austrian,

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German, Belgium, English.

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Now we are using to

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quite totally the full-face excavation,

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but it's the last development.

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The excavation technology has strongly developed in

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the 20th century and in the 1st part of the 21st.

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Among the main factors that contributed to

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this progress are the following one:

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improvement in blasting technique,

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introduction of new equipment and machinery

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which now can even

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allow the crossing of heterogeneous rock mass,

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the laying of excavation support

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mainly by means of short grid and concrete casting,

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soil improvement and consolidation technique,

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characteristic of the working environment, ventilation,

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lighting and the effective control of groundwater.

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Last but not least,

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method of design excavation and

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support installation as an ATM,

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a Deco, Norwegian method, etc.

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What the progress on mechanized on the ground excavation?

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Here there is a summary from the early stage

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of the mechanized excavation,

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1818, top on the left is not a TBM,

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it's a shield for protecting a conventional excavation.

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The 2nd one is a funny new TBM,

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I don't know if really operates effectively.

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But in the 2nd line you can find

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the 1st TBM Robbins in 1952,

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and the one extra on the right side,

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one extra [inaudible] of the 3rd millennium.

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You can see that if you compare the dimension of the

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main with the diameter of the TBM or the face of the TBM,

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you can image how is the progress

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in the construction of this machinery.

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Now, we try to start

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from the safety and the working condition.

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This is a movie of the '90s of the last century,

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and this is the rock blasting for the dam construction

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in construction either power plant in North of Italy.

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This is the construction of the dam,

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this is original movie recorded at that time.

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We'll see the construction phase

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where the risk are evident,

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are present, and safety is really a crucial aspect.

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This is the turbine Pelton,

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this at that time was the biggest worldwide.

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This is the old-style site rail

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for the water tunnel excavation.

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This is a compressor there doing hammers,

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dynamite cartridges, and charging

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blast holes with cartridges

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in a very not sophisticated way.

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But this is what happened at the time.

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Firing the fuse without any hurry.

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Look the sequence.

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Fire it in the lines and then go away,

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[LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND] before blasting.

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Blasting, and then compressed air loader

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for muck removal.

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This is our story,

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but with this system,

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in North of Italy are being constructed

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a huge number of

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hydropower plants and huge number

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of kilometers of tunnels.

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Let's go. Now, we are comparing the same procedure,

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drill and blast, excavation circle

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is completely different.

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We can see some stages of excavation, drilling,

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both installation, mucking,

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[inaudible] , welded wire mesh,

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lighting machinery ventilation is present

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always during the construction phase,

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and even you can record

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the blasting [NOISE] with a camera.

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You can control the blasting in

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very sophisticated and useful way.

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This is what happens now in

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the excavation of the longest tunnel worldwide,

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the Brenner Base Tunnel.

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What is happening in the TBM?

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The working condition in TBM

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for people have completely changed.

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The inner part of the TBM is

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like an office moving underground.

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No comparison with the old phase

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of the excavation method.

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[NOISE] Well,

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for considering the progress

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on uncertainty definition of risk control,

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I love this phrase.

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This phrase is, so what is

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ahead of the phase uncertainty?

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The phrase is by Sir Alan Muir Wood,

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is a co-founder of

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ITA, International Tunneling Association.

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In underground, the real cost

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of overall feasibility of

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any project is dominated by geology.

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Uncertainty geology ahead of the phase

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can be eliminated in underground project,

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but should be minimized by

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geophysical investigation through understanding

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of the regional geology and that hydrogeology.

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But the risk is not totally canceled.

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How do we proceed with the risk?

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The risk is the combination of impact,

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the possible negative consequences of

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the project in terms of safety, cost,

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delay, environment, and probability,

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chance of the negative event will occur.

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Main sources of risk are changes in economic,

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commercial, social, political contexts.

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Sometimes, this aspect is not well

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defined during the design phase

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and during the construction phase.

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Inappropriate contract project management,

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at the various geotechnical condition,

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inappropriate design sometime happens.

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Inappropriate selection of

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construction techniques and procedures.

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For reducing the risk,

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we need a risk management plan.

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A risk management plans should be adopted to

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minimize the risk to an ALARP level.

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ALARP stands for as low as reasonably practicable.

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This is the target of

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the modern design in construction management.

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How do we manage

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the risk in practice? This is the question.

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In the following slides,

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we will see how to apply

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the procedure in different cases.

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[NOISE] Now, I go back to my personal experience.

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I will introduce four special cases I was involved with.

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These cases represent

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concrete answer to different question.

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The question are starting with,

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how is it possible to excavate?

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But the technical translation of how is possible is,

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how do we minimize the risk?

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This is the main goal

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of the designer and the constructor.

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The question are four.

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How it's possible to excavate

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the world longest railway tunnel?

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It's in the North of Italy,

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is the Brenner Base Tunnel.

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It's 64 kilometers long.

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Three tubes. A lot of

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infrastructure along the track stations

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for rescue and so on.

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The second question is,

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how is possible to excavate a rail

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underneath Florence in presence of ancient buildings?

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We'll see how it's possible and

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what are the risk and how we can measure the risk.

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The third question is,

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how it's possible to excavate the enlargement

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of a highway tunnel in presence of traffic?

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Again, in Italy, in the East-side.

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The last is, how it's possible

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to excavate a metro crossing very difficult soil?

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We are in Sicily, near the town of Catania,

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at the foot of the volcano Aetna.

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We start of the first question,

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how it's possible to excavate

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a metro in a very difficult soil?

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Catania is really in a very strange place,

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where you can find hard rock mixed with coarse soil,

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clay, silty clay, silts.

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It's very heterogeneous.

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How it's possible to guarantee

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the safety and minimize the risk?

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The answer is, choosing the

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best effective, optimized TBM.

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Maybe not all the students here are

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knowing in detail how many kinds of TBM are existing,

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but there are many possibilities,

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different excavation methods.

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So the best way,

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the answer for realizing

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a tunnel in that soil condition

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is to choose the best effective device TBM.

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Now, how do we do for choosing the optimized TBM?

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We have to follow a procedure.

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We describe the procedure we used in Catania.

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We start from a very detailed map.

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The image you see is a picture by

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our Digital Terrain Model

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developed directly for this site.

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It combines open source 3D surface model

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and detailed topographic survey performed on site.

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This is the first data necessary for the process.

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The topographic survey has to be combined with

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a 3D geotechnical representation.

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The sum of these two components define

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the framework where the 3D metro project can be placed.

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This is what we are calling digital project.

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We are really transferring procedures coming

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from automotive aerospace environment,

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transfer it to civil construction.

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The project is not more a huge file of 2D drawings,

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but it's an entire model of

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all the environment interest in the infrastructure,

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starting from the early stage in

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the pre-feasibility study till the maintenance.

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This is the idea.

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Now, with this data,

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we proceed for choosing the TBM.

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In this case, distinguishing

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between open TBM, EPB, and Slurry,

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then three main categories,

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we have to exclude the first one because we are

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under the water table and so we are in presence of water.

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So the choice is only between EPB and Slurry.

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How do we choose the correct?

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I have to spend some words for describing the process.

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This is the core for the correct choose.

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The analysis is performed in four different steps.

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I don't think that you can comprehend all the details,

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but just for describing the procedure,

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because it's important to describe

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the procedure and then we can improve each single step.

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The first one, the first step is to identify

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the potential risks due to the

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geological and type of geological condition.

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For example, front excavation failure

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due to insufficient front pressure.

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Excessive load on TBM shield due to high gloat.

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So you have to identify the potential risk.

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The potential impact of

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all risks has to be assessed considering extra cost.

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Delay in the environmental structural impacts.

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General standard classifications, the impact has low,

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medium, high, and very high.

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I drink a bit of water.

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The second step is to calculate the probability

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of occurrence of each risk for entire tunnel.

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This calculation is based

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on engineering models and can be

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highly demanding if performed

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manually without the support of advanced digital tools.

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The level of risk is then calculated as the product of

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the risk impact times the risk likelihood. Step 3.

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Once the risk level is assessed for

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the entire panel and for each TBM type,

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the engineer chooses the TBM type

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associated with the lowest risk profile.

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The last step is after the TBM choice,

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the analyses are performed several

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times to optimize that one specific TBM.

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Its parameters has shin diameter,

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length, resistance,

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[inaudible] trust, [inaudible] torque.

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The aim of this optimization is to

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reduce the residual risk as far as possible,

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is the concept of ALARP risk.

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[NOISE]

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In this slide, this represented

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the optimized condition for

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the EPB front pressure

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for minimizing the impact on buildings.

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If you have a too high pressure,

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you can uplift the building.

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If the pressure is too low,

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can emerge some settlements.

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If the front pressure is low,

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you can induce differential settlements in the building.

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It's a complicated situation.

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Well, now I show

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the 4D excavation process representation

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versus building risk assessment.

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This is not a pure drawing.

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We'll speak about BIM later.

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But it's the representation of

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the excavation process linked

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to the building risk assessment.

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Tunnel excavation is combined

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with station enlargement strategy,

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shaft construction according to

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the work plan in different.

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The different colors of

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the building as connected with

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a different level of risk of the same

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and the necessity to

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introduce other techniques for protecting from the risk.

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So it's a forecasting of the process of construction,

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connected with the effect on the entire environment,

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including soil, and buildings,

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and what it's connected.

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But take into account that

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the main risk was not

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connected with the sensitivity of the buildings,

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but mainly with the difficult soil

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encountered by the TBM.

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Well, this is the picture of the TBM.

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You saw an EPB.

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The white is not snow.

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It's the conditioning foam,

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anti-clogging conditioning foam.

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It's really another very important aspect

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in dimensioning EPB,

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tune a body machine in difficult soil.

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You have to do a lot of proofs.

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This morning, we visited

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some labs here, geotechnical labs,

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but even for a conditioning foam testing,

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it's necessary to have a very spatial lab.

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With scaling this spatial analysis,

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there are some procedure, not as conventional,

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but a procedure for checking

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the effect on the excavation

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of the conditioning additives.

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The diameter is 10.24 meters.

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I didn't convert the meters in feet,

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but maybe you can image

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what is 10 meters in a real dimension.

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Well, so this is the procedure for avoiding risk

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in excavating a tunnel in a difficult soil.

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The second question, how it's possible to

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excavate the enlargement of

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a highway tunnel in presence of traffic?

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Imagine that this is a highway north,

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south of Italy, east part of Italy,

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near the sea side,

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there is huge traffic.

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It's impossible to close

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completely the highway and we're not

00:34:36.130 --> 00:34:41.080
possible to construct another tunnel in parallel.

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The second one, there were two tunnels.

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One was doubled with the construction of a new one,

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but one of the two were

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not possible to doubling in another side,

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so was necessary to maintain the traffic.

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How was possible to maintain the traffic?

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Was possible innovating TBM.

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We are not mechanical engineer,

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but we are civil engineer in

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dealing with the soil and rocks in a very confident way.

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So we suggested the creation of a big saw, a cutting saw.

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We'll see in detail in the next picture.

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For doing what?

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For cutting the soil.

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We put a shelter.

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I'll go here. We put a shelter in concrete for

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protecting the traffic in

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the original and existing tunnel.

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Then we use an arch in which is installed a big saw,

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six meter long, and we cut the soil.

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The soil was over-consolidating clay, not rock.

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It was over-consolidating clay.

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Not extra-strong, but not soft,

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and we realized you

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can see this is a longitudinal section.

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Okay. No, [LAUGHTER] fantastic.

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We have the temporary lining

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is done by cut with the saw, filling with shotcrete.

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Then you realize a umbrella for

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protecting a temporary lining.

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Then the traffic is inside the shelter.

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Perfect. In between, there is

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our excavation method for taking away all the soil,

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demolishing the existing lining,

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and then realizing the final lining

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in concrete with segment.

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We can see the sequence.

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Thank you so much for your help.

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This is the sequence.

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Pre-cut, left up.

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Filling with shotcrete is a big saw.

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We'll see directly in dimension and in characteristic.

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Then we'll excavate in-between the shelter.

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This is the shelter, and

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the temporary lining is after this final lining segment.

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So you open the space,

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you protect with the final lining,

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and the work is done.

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There are two movies.

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The first one is the assembly of

00:37:54.820 --> 00:37:58.180
the big saw in the factory.

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It's a mechanical Italian factory,

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and the second one is installation on the site.

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We start with the first.

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It's a mechanical factory near Bologna. This is the saw.

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That is the shape of the shelter.

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We tested the saw with strong concrete.

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If it's effective on strong concrete,

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it will be enough for over-consolidated clay.

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You can see the job is just completed.

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The highway is open.

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So the result, it was on time

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in terms of time and cost-effective, and good.

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It's an innovation because

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the second worldwide application,

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the first one was performed in

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another enlargement of highway in Italy.

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But they have had a lot of problems

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because the dimension, it was not so good,

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so they used 10 times

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the forecast period for the construction.

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But now, with this experience,

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even with this experience,

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we have had the possibility to design

00:39:27.595 --> 00:39:31.735
with the mechanical company.

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We have the possibility to design a correct saw.

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This is the saw,

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and this is the process, the installation.

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The road traffic is interrupted overnight,

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one time only, to allow the position

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of the TBM and the

00:39:50.620 --> 00:39:53.480
beginning of the tunnel to be enlarged.

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You can see the tunnel,

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the shelter, and overnight,

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we put the TBM on-site,

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over the shelter, for starting with the enlargement.

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[NOISE]

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This is the overnight work, traffic was interrupted.

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We are taking picture from the shield,

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the shield is there, this is the shield,

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and over the shield this is installed there,

00:40:52.160 --> 00:41:03.290
the TBM night is

00:41:03.290 --> 00:41:07.475
finishing and the traffic will restart,

00:41:07.475 --> 00:41:10.190
and the excavation will start.

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This is the second answer to the second question.

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The third question is how it's possible to excavate

00:41:17.870 --> 00:41:19.520
the rail underneath fluoresce

00:41:19.520 --> 00:41:21.965
in presence of ancient buildings?

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The answer is using

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proper monitoring and compensation grounding activity.

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We are working in Downtown Florence,

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near the most important historical buildings

00:41:33.950 --> 00:41:36.110
of Italian Renaissance,

00:41:36.110 --> 00:41:38.795
so it's important place.

00:41:38.795 --> 00:41:44.079
We have to take all the safety

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and even procedural techniques for avoiding any damage.

00:41:51.445 --> 00:41:56.215
We have done a lot of shaft from which you can

00:41:56.215 --> 00:41:58.685
inject the mortar and

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protect and avoid settlements in the building.

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This is a view, a picture of the TBM is again APV,

00:42:09.935 --> 00:42:14.130
TBM, 9.4 meters in diameter.

00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:22.130
I don't know if you can read from from every place here,

00:42:22.130 --> 00:42:27.785
but the tunnel is 60 kilometer,

00:42:27.785 --> 00:42:31.430
two tunnel of eight kilometer each.

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We are under passing more than 200 ancient building

00:42:37.310 --> 00:42:43.910
and the alignment is crossing all Downtown Florence.

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[NOISE] What about the monitoring system?

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The monitoring system is the only way

00:42:52.310 --> 00:42:56.284
for taking under control what is happening,

00:42:56.284 --> 00:43:01.750
and for managing all the compensation grouting necessary.

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We have more than 40 cross-section

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of geotechnical monitoring,

00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:11.960
40 cross-section of internal tunnel monitoring,

00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:15.260
more than 5,000 targets in the building,

00:43:15.260 --> 00:43:17.660
and the real-time monitoring

00:43:17.660 --> 00:43:20.735
system for the compensation grouting.

00:43:20.735 --> 00:43:22.985
There is a drawing here,

00:43:22.985 --> 00:43:25.700
you can see the distance

00:43:25.700 --> 00:43:29.300
of the TBM from the shallow foundation of

00:43:29.300 --> 00:43:33.320
this building and in-between with

00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:37.835
volume loss due to this process of excavation,

00:43:37.835 --> 00:43:40.010
you have potential settlements.

00:43:40.010 --> 00:43:41.435
You need to inject

00:43:41.435 --> 00:43:44.720
something in between for avoiding this.

00:43:44.720 --> 00:43:47.270
This is what we have done,

00:43:47.270 --> 00:43:50.570
but not using only experience,

00:43:50.570 --> 00:43:53.690
AUK inject, stop, inject.

00:43:53.690 --> 00:43:57.485
No, there is a complete monitoring platform

00:43:57.485 --> 00:44:00.410
managing all the data coming from the TBM,

00:44:00.410 --> 00:44:02.630
coming from the targets on the buildings,

00:44:02.630 --> 00:44:08.510
coming from the instrument installed inside the ground,

00:44:08.510 --> 00:44:12.020
and managing what is not really big data,

00:44:12.020 --> 00:44:14.630
but it's a huge number of data to be

00:44:14.630 --> 00:44:18.630
managed for controlling what is happening.

00:44:18.940 --> 00:44:22.460
Is evident that sometime

00:44:22.460 --> 00:44:26.480
even a modeling, 2D, 3D modeling,

00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:31.910
I am showing this just

00:44:31.910 --> 00:44:35.180
for showing without compensation

00:44:35.180 --> 00:44:37.520
the settlement is happening here.

00:44:37.520 --> 00:44:41.674
With compensation, you can reduce

00:44:41.674 --> 00:44:47.585
quite zero settlement connected with the volume loss.

00:44:47.585 --> 00:44:50.885
This is the shaft in Florence,

00:44:50.885 --> 00:44:54.230
this is the station,

00:44:54.230 --> 00:44:56.930
this is an underground station under construction

00:44:56.930 --> 00:45:00.760
now the architect is normal foster.

00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:02.305
We are not architects,

00:45:02.305 --> 00:45:05.095
we are the designer of the tunnel of

00:45:05.095 --> 00:45:09.850
the compensation grouting system.

00:45:09.850 --> 00:45:16.515
The main aspects are connected with the platform.

00:45:16.515 --> 00:45:19.340
The main aspect of the platform for

00:45:19.340 --> 00:45:22.700
managing of the data is integration

00:45:22.700 --> 00:45:24.890
of different data sources coming from

00:45:24.890 --> 00:45:29.120
surveys in ground monitor TBM data,

00:45:29.120 --> 00:45:31.970
elaborating data in real time according to

00:45:31.970 --> 00:45:35.790
customer algorithm to produce engineer indicators,

00:45:35.790 --> 00:45:39.190
lost volume, volume loss, distortion,

00:45:39.190 --> 00:45:42.265
etc, and the production of

00:45:42.265 --> 00:45:44.830
combined graphs for every building

00:45:44.830 --> 00:45:46.585
for checking what is the forecast,

00:45:46.585 --> 00:45:49.150
if what is happening is fitting

00:45:49.150 --> 00:45:53.530
with what we have forecasting during the design phase.

00:45:53.530 --> 00:46:00.130
[NOISE] Using a well organized monitoring

00:46:00.130 --> 00:46:03.470
and control in the system

00:46:03.470 --> 00:46:06.230
for avoiding settlements it's

00:46:06.230 --> 00:46:09.095
the best way for reducing risk

00:46:09.095 --> 00:46:12.710
acrossing a few meters below

00:46:12.710 --> 00:46:17.390
the foundation important town like Florence.

00:46:17.390 --> 00:46:19.730
The 4th question, last question,

00:46:19.730 --> 00:46:22.370
the 4th is how it's possible to escalate

00:46:22.370 --> 00:46:25.370
the world longest railway tunnel?

00:46:25.370 --> 00:46:28.310
Maybe, this is a tunnel.

00:46:28.310 --> 00:46:31.490
The high-speed rail is

00:46:31.490 --> 00:46:34.835
connected north and south of Europe from Sicily

00:46:34.835 --> 00:46:39.020
Rails is connected with the Island of Malta and North

00:46:39.020 --> 00:46:51.380
of Sweden and the Finland.

00:46:51.380 --> 00:46:55.130
Thanks. The question is,

00:46:55.130 --> 00:46:59.330
managing complexity there are even other problems,

00:46:59.330 --> 00:47:01.850
is not the only but the main problem in

00:47:01.850 --> 00:47:05.330
a so longest tunnel is managing complexity

00:47:05.330 --> 00:47:08.870
and multidisciplinarity and protecting the environment.

00:47:08.870 --> 00:47:12.200
If you consider that the excavation of

00:47:12.200 --> 00:47:15.860
64 kilometers multiply by

00:47:15.860 --> 00:47:18.785
three of tunnel in

00:47:18.785 --> 00:47:22.400
is quite 10 millions

00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:24.830
of cubic meter or excavated material.

00:47:24.830 --> 00:47:27.110
You have to reposition

00:47:27.110 --> 00:47:29.390
this in a very sensitive environment.

00:47:29.390 --> 00:47:33.020
You know that dolomite is a UNESCO World Heritage site,

00:47:33.020 --> 00:47:34.670
this is the real problem.

00:47:34.670 --> 00:47:38.405
[NOISE] How do we resolve the problem?

00:47:38.405 --> 00:47:41.779
This is the alignment,

00:47:41.779 --> 00:47:45.950
the general map with a comparison between

00:47:45.950 --> 00:47:47.660
the existing tunnel alignment is

00:47:47.660 --> 00:47:51.080
the green line is narrow, steep,

00:47:51.080 --> 00:47:53.870
longer with the new design alignment

00:47:53.870 --> 00:47:55.460
is the red is in tunnel

00:47:55.460 --> 00:48:02.070
two station for escaping possibility.

00:48:02.430 --> 00:48:06.595
Is managing a huge number of data.

00:48:06.595 --> 00:48:12.475
If you consider that there are many TBN working together,

00:48:12.475 --> 00:48:15.850
many war construction company working,

00:48:15.850 --> 00:48:21.925
you have to manage all the services.

00:48:21.925 --> 00:48:26.110
Even avoiding environmental problem and

00:48:26.110 --> 00:48:30.835
the relationship with the road system existing.

00:48:30.835 --> 00:48:36.130
You have to resolve a lot of problems.

00:48:36.130 --> 00:48:39.085
Even from the geological point of view,

00:48:39.085 --> 00:48:40.750
it is not an easy situation.

00:48:40.750 --> 00:48:44.380
It says that the answer in that part

00:48:44.380 --> 00:48:46.060
are at the edge between

00:48:46.060 --> 00:48:48.910
the African tectonic plate and the European plate.

00:48:48.910 --> 00:48:50.470
In detail, each color

00:48:50.470 --> 00:48:52.795
represents a different geological formation,

00:48:52.795 --> 00:48:57.199
significant faults or evidence showing huge complexity.

00:48:57.240 --> 00:49:01.690
Now, we are describing what we

00:49:01.690 --> 00:49:06.670
have done a lot on the construction,

00:49:06.670 --> 00:49:08.500
and the Italian side in which as WS

00:49:08.500 --> 00:49:10.640
is involved for the construction design,

00:49:10.640 --> 00:49:14.985
the estimated cost is 1.3 billion Euro.

00:49:14.985 --> 00:49:17.055
There are three tunnels,

00:49:17.055 --> 00:49:21.800
two main tunnels 10.7 meter in diameter.

00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:28.230
Exploratory tunnel, 6.8 meter in diameter.

00:49:28.230 --> 00:49:36.815
How do we manage this big complexity?

00:49:36.815 --> 00:49:41.155
BIM, it's the magnificent,

00:49:41.155 --> 00:49:46.525
magnificent tool for managing complex situation.

00:49:46.525 --> 00:49:52.090
BIM is really a unique and complete database for owners,

00:49:52.090 --> 00:49:54.100
constructor, engineers,

00:49:54.100 --> 00:49:55.780
including all the data of

00:49:55.780 --> 00:49:59.870
the project in a clear and organized way.

00:50:00.720 --> 00:50:03.550
What are the advantages?

00:50:03.550 --> 00:50:06.040
I am not seller of BIM I am

00:50:06.040 --> 00:50:08.560
just only for describing the characteristics.

00:50:08.560 --> 00:50:11.275
Advantages, virtual validation of

00:50:11.275 --> 00:50:14.695
complex geometry and the clash free design.

00:50:14.695 --> 00:50:18.325
You don't have any clash if you design in 3D,

00:50:18.325 --> 00:50:22.165
because the 2D drawings are coming from the 3D model,

00:50:22.165 --> 00:50:24.950
so no clashes at all.

00:50:24.950 --> 00:50:28.500
Consistency of the design documentation,

00:50:28.500 --> 00:50:33.705
because for the operation of construction they need even,

00:50:33.705 --> 00:50:35.490
sometime it's not necessarily

00:50:35.490 --> 00:50:37.230
because it should be possible to use 3D,

00:50:37.230 --> 00:50:40.240
but we are not enough

00:50:40.240 --> 00:50:44.155
advanced for using these during construction.

00:50:44.155 --> 00:50:45.850
Some time happened, we have

00:50:45.850 --> 00:50:48.895
no experience with hydro-power plant in which

00:50:48.895 --> 00:50:54.340
they can use a tool like phone,

00:50:54.340 --> 00:50:59.800
or a tablet for checking where is the construction?

00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:01.255
What is happening?

00:51:01.255 --> 00:51:04.585
How many bars in that specific place?

00:51:04.585 --> 00:51:08.485
But this is not yet consolidated.

00:51:08.485 --> 00:51:10.720
But consistency of

00:51:10.720 --> 00:51:13.750
all the documentation is another advantage.

00:51:13.750 --> 00:51:15.685
Another advantage is that

00:51:15.685 --> 00:51:19.660
all the components can be defined at the proper scale.

00:51:19.660 --> 00:51:23.140
We can use larger or micro-scales,

00:51:23.140 --> 00:51:25.555
it depends how many information we want to add.

00:51:25.555 --> 00:51:28.870
In considering that, you have

00:51:28.870 --> 00:51:33.685
to connect this documentation with the price list,

00:51:33.685 --> 00:51:36.070
you have to enter in

00:51:36.070 --> 00:51:39.430
the details connected with the price list.

00:51:39.430 --> 00:51:43.465
It depends if it's only a pure of concrete,

00:51:43.465 --> 00:51:52.240
or it's a combination of concrete plus mechanical stuff,

00:51:52.240 --> 00:51:53.920
hydraulic stuff and so on,

00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.660
so you have to enter in different detail.

00:51:56.700 --> 00:52:01.060
One of the most important aspect is that,

00:52:01.060 --> 00:52:02.230
like I told you before,

00:52:02.230 --> 00:52:05.170
it's a unique repository of

00:52:05.170 --> 00:52:08.470
project info from concept to operation.

00:52:08.470 --> 00:52:13.195
This is the real big advantage for

00:52:13.195 --> 00:52:14.950
all the actors of

00:52:14.950 --> 00:52:19.360
the construction started from design to the maintenance.

00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:24.860
You can even simulate processes during construction.

00:52:25.040 --> 00:52:28.410
Now, I try to accelerate a bit

00:52:28.410 --> 00:52:32.950
because I don't know if I am on time. Where is Allen?

00:52:32.950 --> 00:52:36.085
I have to increase the speed.

00:52:36.085 --> 00:52:43.075
Okay, managing complexity in environment,

00:52:43.075 --> 00:52:46.630
like you can see in the picture is not so easy.

00:52:46.630 --> 00:52:51.234
One example of process control

00:52:51.234 --> 00:52:55.180
is the management of the repository

00:52:55.180 --> 00:52:59.830
for the deposit of

00:52:59.830 --> 00:53:03.295
the material coming from the excavation.

00:53:03.295 --> 00:53:11.305
The blue is the material not reusable for concrete,

00:53:11.305 --> 00:53:13.435
the yellow is reusable.

00:53:13.435 --> 00:53:19.180
You can appreciate the growth of the deposit in

00:53:19.180 --> 00:53:20.680
the two parts of

00:53:20.680 --> 00:53:25.285
the material during all the excavation phase.

00:53:25.285 --> 00:53:29.260
At the end you can arrive at a situation

00:53:29.260 --> 00:53:33.460
of consuming all the yellow material.

00:53:33.460 --> 00:53:36.775
Quite all the yellow material and

00:53:36.775 --> 00:53:40.900
having in a good position,

00:53:40.900 --> 00:53:44.800
all the material not usable.

00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:50.680
The complexity is really in a huge challenge in

00:53:50.680 --> 00:53:52.960
order to manage excavated material before

00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:56.125
the arrival to the deposit,

00:53:56.125 --> 00:53:57.580
is necessary to realize

00:53:57.580 --> 00:54:00.650
a complex underground logistic notes,

00:54:01.050 --> 00:54:04.255
avoiding transportation of public roads,

00:54:04.255 --> 00:54:07.000
it's not consistent conveyor belt system crash

00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.730
or batching plant, site railway.

00:54:09.730 --> 00:54:12.640
For managing these, BIM

00:54:12.640 --> 00:54:15.640
is the only tool for resolving this complexity.

00:54:15.640 --> 00:54:23.215
You have to reproduce even during the design phase and

00:54:23.215 --> 00:54:31.494
subdivided spaces even for the accesses.

00:54:31.494 --> 00:54:33.115
You have to put

00:54:33.115 --> 00:54:41.680
the legit site railway for transport of segments.

00:54:41.680 --> 00:54:43.900
In other aspects, very important

00:54:43.900 --> 00:54:46.435
is connected with the ventilation system.

00:54:46.435 --> 00:54:50.305
Ventilation system has many purposes.

00:54:50.305 --> 00:54:52.614
Improving of water quality,

00:54:52.614 --> 00:54:58.030
emergency handling, control in the environmental impact.

00:54:58.030 --> 00:54:59.485
But in this case,

00:54:59.485 --> 00:55:05.470
with the cover of more than 1,300 meters,

00:55:05.470 --> 00:55:12.250
the temperature of the rock create huge problem,

00:55:12.250 --> 00:55:17.410
because the average temperature of

00:55:17.410 --> 00:55:24.950
the rock that depth is around 41 degrees celsius.

00:55:25.290 --> 00:55:31.400
How much is 100 more or less Fahrenheit?

00:55:31.650 --> 00:55:35.875
If you don't use a cooling system,

00:55:35.875 --> 00:55:39.970
you can arrive at the temperature of the air inside

00:55:39.970 --> 00:55:44.380
the tunnel around 60 degrees,

00:55:44.380 --> 00:55:47.395
140 Fahrenheit is impossible for levy,

00:55:47.395 --> 00:55:51.310
so you have to add the specific cooling system.

00:55:51.310 --> 00:55:55.810
I cut some picture,

00:55:55.810 --> 00:55:57.205
I skipped some picture.

00:55:57.205 --> 00:56:00.070
The protection of the environment

00:56:00.070 --> 00:56:04.435
is a particular attention,

00:56:04.435 --> 00:56:10.390
even from the very start phase of the design phase.

00:56:10.390 --> 00:56:13.840
I want to illustrate only two aspects,

00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:18.085
wastewater management and final deposit.

00:56:18.085 --> 00:56:20.335
It's necessary to install

00:56:20.335 --> 00:56:25.435
a spatial plans for clarifying the water

00:56:25.435 --> 00:56:29.470
to assure the environment protection

00:56:29.470 --> 00:56:33.370
for drain the river is Arco,

00:56:33.370 --> 00:56:35.080
a good quality of water.

00:56:35.080 --> 00:56:39.070
Even for the excavated soil deposit

00:56:39.070 --> 00:56:43.195
is necessary to requalify the environment,

00:56:43.195 --> 00:56:47.140
permitting the planting of native species,

00:56:47.140 --> 00:56:51.895
and even the re-used for agriculture on the top.

00:56:51.895 --> 00:56:55.630
I am near to the end of the speech.

00:56:55.630 --> 00:57:00.130
I have only two aspects to underline with you.

00:57:00.130 --> 00:57:02.635
The first is the market.

00:57:02.635 --> 00:57:04.450
What is the market of

00:57:04.450 --> 00:57:08.395
the underground construction project?

00:57:08.395 --> 00:57:10.555
The pipeline is huge,

00:57:10.555 --> 00:57:14.785
If you can see on the picture by region,

00:57:14.785 --> 00:57:22.165
you are moving between 550 billion of US dollar

00:57:22.165 --> 00:57:26.095
in Europe and Asia Pacific,

00:57:26.095 --> 00:57:32.980
250 billion US dollar in America's,150 in Middle East.

00:57:32.980 --> 00:57:40.705
If you consider the pipeline versus countries,

00:57:40.705 --> 00:57:45.140
you can see that the third is USA.

00:57:45.870 --> 00:57:50.470
There are many opportunities of work for

00:57:50.470 --> 00:57:53.410
the person which intend to deal

00:57:53.410 --> 00:57:56.695
with this particular construction technique.

00:57:56.695 --> 00:58:01.420
What is the scope in U.S.A.

00:58:01.420 --> 00:58:06.009
mainly for constructing tunnels?

00:58:06.009 --> 00:58:08.590
It's connected mainly with water.

00:58:08.590 --> 00:58:14.995
The major part of

00:58:14.995 --> 00:58:18.220
underground construction is connected with water and

00:58:18.220 --> 00:58:23.125
mainly flood control hydropower,

00:58:23.125 --> 00:58:31.250
and they're not so large part with mass transportation.

00:58:33.120 --> 00:58:37.045
There are many opportunities for everybody.

00:58:37.045 --> 00:58:39.175
I go to the conclusion.

00:58:39.175 --> 00:58:42.610
I give even some suggestion for

00:58:42.610 --> 00:58:46.525
fresh engineers based on my own experience.

00:58:46.525 --> 00:58:49.630
The first suggestion is, be flexible.

00:58:49.630 --> 00:58:52.825
The world is now complex and chaotic.

00:58:52.825 --> 00:58:56.200
The problems we have to face change every day.

00:58:56.200 --> 00:58:58.720
The variables in play are so many,

00:58:58.720 --> 00:59:01.120
so try to be flexible.

00:59:01.120 --> 00:59:03.639
Second, be generous.

00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:05.440
Your privilege to be educated

00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:09.650
here shall become an advantage for many.

00:59:10.420 --> 00:59:14.390
The third one, good academic result

00:59:14.390 --> 00:59:16.130
is the best investment for your future.

00:59:16.130 --> 00:59:20.730
I think this don't need any comment.

00:59:21.430 --> 00:59:23.900
In the professional life,

00:59:23.900 --> 00:59:26.554
feet on the ground, job training experience,

00:59:26.554 --> 00:59:27.980
and training in the lab are

00:59:27.980 --> 00:59:31.040
the best start for the career of a fresh engineer.

00:59:31.040 --> 00:59:33.650
If you are interested in geomechanic application,

00:59:33.650 --> 00:59:36.050
I suggest you a period of training in a country

00:59:36.050 --> 00:59:37.520
where these applications have been

00:59:37.520 --> 00:59:39.020
widely used: Mid Europe,

00:59:39.020 --> 00:59:41.370
Italy, Austria, and Switzerland.

00:59:41.680 --> 00:59:45.560
Underground application will still be

00:59:45.560 --> 00:59:48.815
an extra large market for a medium log period.

00:59:48.815 --> 00:59:52.445
Good opportunities for each one of you.

00:59:52.445 --> 00:59:55.970
The last, here at Virginia Tech,

00:59:55.970 --> 01:00:00.125
you are on the right way to become great civil engineers,

01:00:00.125 --> 01:00:04.730
both for yourself and for the country you live in.

01:00:04.730 --> 01:00:09.840
Well, there are two slides.

01:00:10.090 --> 01:00:12.980
The actual mission of the engineer

01:00:12.980 --> 01:00:15.230
is evident and still valid in

01:00:15.230 --> 01:00:17.810
Herbert Hoover's premonitions about

01:00:17.810 --> 01:00:21.620
his career as a mining engineer before entering politics.

01:00:21.620 --> 01:00:24.725
You know that Herbert Hoover is the 31st president

01:00:24.725 --> 01:00:29.210
of U.S.A. from 1929-1933.

01:00:29.210 --> 01:00:31.880
What is the phrase?

01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:38.240
The phrase is, there is the fascination of

01:00:38.240 --> 01:00:40.655
watching a figment of the imagination

01:00:40.655 --> 01:00:44.900
emerge through the aid of science to a plane on paper.

01:00:44.900 --> 01:00:49.625
Then it moves to realization in stone or metal or energy.

01:00:49.625 --> 01:00:52.295
Then it brings jobs and homes to men.

01:00:52.295 --> 01:00:54.260
Then it elevates the standard of

01:00:54.260 --> 01:00:57.140
living and adds to the comfort of life.

01:00:57.140 --> 01:00:59.540
That is the engineer's high privilege.

01:00:59.540 --> 01:01:02.240
I think that it's valid today,

01:01:02.240 --> 01:01:08.490
like 70 or 80 years ago.

01:01:09.610 --> 01:01:12.380
Well, what I have to add?

01:01:12.380 --> 01:01:15.020
This slide report the paper with

01:01:15.020 --> 01:01:18.320
technical details on the work is post to today.

01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:20.900
You can download the full papers at

01:01:20.900 --> 01:01:25.815
the web address, www.swsglobal.com/vt2017.

01:01:25.815 --> 01:01:28.720
I suggest you to read these papers and if you

01:01:28.720 --> 01:01:31.750
have any additional question after reading,

01:01:31.750 --> 01:01:33.910
please feel free to send me a mail.

01:01:33.910 --> 01:01:35.745
I launch a proposal,

01:01:35.745 --> 01:01:38.360
SWS is always open and willing

01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:41.225
to host in terms for short period of time.

01:01:41.225 --> 01:01:44.450
If somebody is interested in this kind of work,

01:01:44.450 --> 01:01:46.460
don't hesitate to contact me.

01:01:46.460 --> 01:01:50.240
I wish all the best to each one of you.

01:01:50.240 --> 01:01:53.480
Thanks for your kind attention,

01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:55.610
and I apologize for my bad English,

01:01:55.610 --> 01:01:58.130
for the pronouncement of

01:01:58.130 --> 01:01:59.390
the speech. Thank you so much. [APPLAUSE]

01:01:59.390 --> 01:02:09.110
That was wonderful. Thank you.

01:02:09.110 --> 01:02:11.660
I really appreciate you leaving

01:02:11.660 --> 01:02:14.060
us with the words that the future is bright,

01:02:14.060 --> 01:02:16.280
there's a lot of workforce in the underground world,

01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:17.645
that's exciting to hear

01:02:17.645 --> 01:02:18.320
those kind of  [OVERLAPPING]

01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:20.690
It's a good market, really.

01:02:20.690 --> 01:02:22.775
Well, we're going to be busy for a long time to come.

01:02:22.775 --> 01:02:24.110
Yeah. Thank you.

01:02:24.110 --> 01:02:25.920
Any questions?

01:02:26.080 --> 01:02:28.880
But please speak slowly because it's for

01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:31.740
me very difficult to understand some time.

01:02:33.100 --> 01:02:37.325
Yes. Back there. Yes.

01:02:37.325 --> 01:02:39.260
Do you have in-house expertise in BIM or did you

01:02:39.260 --> 01:02:44.690
contract for that [inaudible]

01:02:44.690 --> 01:02:46.430
Do you have in-house expertise

01:02:46.430 --> 01:02:48.080
in BIM or did you contract for that one?

01:02:48.080 --> 01:02:54.110
Absolutely, yes. We are applying BIM in many application.

01:02:54.110 --> 01:03:00.709
It's really a huge advanced support

01:03:00.709 --> 01:03:05.705
for realizing better design,

01:03:05.705 --> 01:03:11.135
more consistent design without any glaciers.

01:03:11.135 --> 01:03:13.670
We have one experience in Canada

01:03:13.670 --> 01:03:16.970
using BIM in an hydro-power plant.

01:03:16.970 --> 01:03:20.270
It's an effective method for reducing glaciers,

01:03:20.270 --> 01:03:23.570
for permitting the construction of

01:03:23.570 --> 01:03:30.265
important structure without reducing a lot of problems.

01:03:30.265 --> 01:03:32.755
When you have connection between

01:03:32.755 --> 01:03:37.765
different staff where it was at them, concrete them,

01:03:37.765 --> 01:03:46.930
pours between 500 until 1000 cubic meter each.

01:03:46.930 --> 01:03:50.140
Full of mechanical components,

01:03:50.140 --> 01:03:56.120
hydraulic stuff, electric part,

01:03:56.120 --> 01:03:58.685
it's impossible to manage

01:03:58.685 --> 01:04:03.290
huge number of components without having

01:04:03.290 --> 01:04:08.270
a well-controlled and performing way

01:04:08.270 --> 01:04:13.980
of putting together all these aspects.

01:04:14.970 --> 01:04:16.090
Yes.

01:04:16.090 --> 01:04:20.240
Will you design the Sal machine for expanding

01:04:20.240 --> 01:04:23.480
the [inaudible] The developers of the machine were

01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:27.500
expecting to use the machine in more than one work.

01:04:27.500 --> 01:04:28.850
[OVERLAPPING]

01:04:28.850 --> 01:04:32.540
It depends. This is a big question. Very interesting.

01:04:32.540 --> 01:04:34.715
Now in the world,

01:04:34.715 --> 01:04:41.765
there are a huge number of TBM working now, today.

01:04:41.765 --> 01:04:47.195
If we number how many TBM are working today,

01:04:47.195 --> 01:04:52.010
I think that 1,000 could be huge numbers.

01:04:52.010 --> 01:04:54.755
But the strange situation is that

01:04:54.755 --> 01:04:59.600
all these TBM are different one from each other.

01:04:59.600 --> 01:05:03.995
But the difference in cutters,

01:05:03.995 --> 01:05:08.690
the difference in dimension

01:05:08.690 --> 01:05:12.155
of the shield could be accepted,

01:05:12.155 --> 01:05:15.215
but the difference in diameter is out of mind.

01:05:15.215 --> 01:05:17.855
There is one 9.3 meters,

01:05:17.855 --> 01:05:21.530
the other is 8.9 meter.

01:05:21.530 --> 01:05:27.365
No unification of this kind of parameters.

01:05:27.365 --> 01:05:31.400
This could be the target for the

01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:35.600
[NOISE] more and more development of this market.

01:05:35.600 --> 01:05:39.800
But I think that it's the producer of

01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:44.720
the TBM are not so happy to unify diameters and system,

01:05:44.720 --> 01:05:46.880
because each is a prototype

01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:49.220
and the prototype costs much more than,

01:05:49.220 --> 01:05:53.180
and if you have to ask I don't know.

01:05:53.180 --> 01:05:56.150
A car for you

01:05:56.150 --> 01:05:57.380
is different that you go to

01:05:57.380 --> 01:05:59.540
the dealer and you say I choose that,

01:05:59.540 --> 01:06:02.270
that is different. Other questions?

01:06:02.270 --> 01:06:03.210
Thank you.

01:06:03.210 --> 01:06:09.840
I would like to ask if Europe companies that deals with

01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:17.330
the preliminary incremental assessment,

01:06:17.330 --> 01:06:18.140
the Italiano [inaudible]

01:06:18.140 --> 01:06:19.340
Yeah. Are you Italian?

01:06:19.340 --> 01:06:20.360
Yeah.

01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:27.515
Yes. But we don't cover all the aspects.

01:06:27.515 --> 01:06:31.400
We are 130 person.

01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:34.010
We are a small company in

01:06:34.010 --> 01:06:37.354
the international market, but deeply specialized.

01:06:37.354 --> 01:06:41.810
My idea is just for giving one image.

01:06:41.810 --> 01:06:44.600
We are sharpening only green pencil.

01:06:44.600 --> 01:06:46.295
We don't have the other color,

01:06:46.295 --> 01:06:48.860
but green pencil we are sharpening well-written pencil.

01:06:48.860 --> 01:06:52.250
We can analyze some aspects,

01:06:52.250 --> 01:06:55.250
sometime we need expertise from

01:06:55.250 --> 01:06:59.820
other companies, from other professionist.

01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:05.750
Did they name that TBM of the cutter?

01:07:05.750 --> 01:07:06.950
Excuse me?

01:07:06.950 --> 01:07:08.375
The TBM with the saw,

01:07:08.375 --> 01:07:09.590
did they give it a name?

01:07:09.590 --> 01:07:15.215
No, sometimes happens.

01:07:15.215 --> 01:07:17.610
Anything else?

01:07:18.010 --> 01:07:20.240
Or everything is clear or

01:07:20.240 --> 01:07:22.730
everything is completely unclear?

01:07:22.730 --> 01:07:23.750
[OVERLAPPING]

01:07:23.750 --> 01:07:25.670
We are all waiting to talk to you in the back.

01:07:25.670 --> 01:07:28.820
[LAUGHTER] Okay. But if you have more question,

01:07:28.820 --> 01:07:31.280
the mail address is there,

01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:34.550
so you don't hesitate to send me a mail.

01:07:34.550 --> 01:07:38.390
If you want to answer to my last proposal,

01:07:38.390 --> 01:07:41.420
up to you. [LAUGHTER]

01:07:41.420 --> 01:07:42.995
Please enjoy yourself.

01:07:42.995 --> 01:07:46.040
Help yourself to the food and drink back there

01:07:46.040 --> 01:07:47.060
Thank you.

01:07:47.060 --> 01:07:48.440
Mazzalai, I'll be here to answer questions.

01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:49.790
[OVERLAPPING] Happy to talk to you.

01:07:49.790 --> 01:07:52.130
Absolutely. If you need something we can discuss.

01:07:52.130 --> 01:08:04.000
Thank you. [APPLAUSE]
