WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.540 --> 00:00:06.860 A:middle L:90% who was born in new york city, 1852. 2 00:00:06.870 --> 00:00:16.089 A:middle L:90% Well In 1860, his father took him to cooper 3 00:00:16.089 --> 00:00:24.440 A:middle L:90% Union to hear the presidential candidate when Abraham Lincoln Yeah 4 00:00:24.940 --> 00:00:29.480 A:middle L:90% , he talked to lincoln. Yeah. No 5 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:32.679 A:middle L:90% , he lived there until 1930 and then came and 6 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:36.789 A:middle L:90% lived with us. So during my teens here he 7 00:00:36.789 --> 00:00:44.189 A:middle L:90% was right handy And so there's plenty of discussion 8 00:00:44.189 --> 00:00:50.539 A:middle L:90% about what was happening in new york city between the 9 00:00:50.539 --> 00:00:55.210 A:middle L:90% time when there were no high rises and no electricity 10 00:00:55.219 --> 00:01:00.189 A:middle L:90% and no telephones until when he left there with the empire 11 00:01:00.189 --> 00:01:03.060 A:middle L:90% state just opened up, 12 00:01:03.040 --> 00:01:07.859 A:middle L:90% wow. Yeah. And you know, you think 13 00:01:07.859 --> 00:01:10.069 A:middle L:90% back, well, why the hell didn't I ask 14 00:01:10.069 --> 00:01:11.569 A:middle L:90% him this? That and the other while I was 15 00:01:11.569 --> 00:01:14.239 A:middle L:90% at it, he must have been there when the 16 00:01:14.250 --> 00:01:18.359 A:middle L:90% Brooklyn bridge was opened. But yeah, come on 17 00:01:18.739 --> 00:01:25.030 A:middle L:90% . Uh huh, wow. Yeah. Well, 18 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:26.599 A:middle L:90% well, let's go back to the question. I 19 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:30.459 A:middle L:90% asked you off camera and then told you to wait 20 00:01:30.939 --> 00:01:34.829 A:middle L:90% . Um, what's your, tell me your connection 21 00:01:34.829 --> 00:01:38.349 A:middle L:90% to the, to the college? Well, in 22 00:01:40.739 --> 00:01:44.250 A:middle L:90% , When I was ready to start college in 1938 23 00:01:45.340 --> 00:01:49.000 A:middle L:90% , of course VPs, I would call it had 24 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:55.959 A:middle L:90% an engineering extension in Richmond where I lived. So 25 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.340 A:middle L:90% I went through my freshman year there and the word 26 00:02:00.349 --> 00:02:05.060 A:middle L:90% was, well, of course you'd be an engineering 27 00:02:05.939 --> 00:02:09.650 A:middle L:90% student as such After two years. You come here 28 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:15.099 A:middle L:90% the campus. If you were in architecture I after 29 00:02:15.099 --> 00:02:20.060 A:middle L:90% one year, you better come up to the campus 30 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:23.810 A:middle L:90% . Well, my father's situation wasn't, he was 31 00:02:23.819 --> 00:02:27.930 A:middle L:90% changing jobs after all the great depression you hear about 32 00:02:27.939 --> 00:02:30.889 A:middle L:90% and so on. So the idea of my coming 33 00:02:30.889 --> 00:02:36.340 A:middle L:90% up, which is just not in the cards at 34 00:02:36.340 --> 00:02:42.800 A:middle L:90% that point and they had of the extensions. Well 35 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:45.659 A:middle L:90% , yeah, but you can do it. Oh 36 00:02:46.939 --> 00:02:49.639 A:middle L:90% , I said, well, I still got the 37 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:54.030 A:middle L:90% financial problems. Well, oh, we can take 38 00:02:54.030 --> 00:02:59.599 A:middle L:90% care of that. He got me teaching, saw 39 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:01.889 A:middle L:90% the Jamboree, the students that well acted. So 40 00:03:01.889 --> 00:03:06.949 A:middle L:90% here I was at 18, being a teacher in 41 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:12.659 A:middle L:90% uh college already yet. Anyway, so I come 42 00:03:12.659 --> 00:03:21.460 A:middle L:90% up here 1940 september and of course the first word 43 00:03:21.460 --> 00:03:23.120 A:middle L:90% was, oh well you can't finish in two more 44 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:29.680 A:middle L:90% years because you're behind some of the design courses and 45 00:03:29.689 --> 00:03:31.000 A:middle L:90% so on and so on. And my father, 46 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:38.680 A:middle L:90% of course raise cain, hey, well Professor Kogel 47 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:43.650 A:middle L:90% , Clinton Kogel who had brought architecture here in 1929 48 00:03:43.650 --> 00:03:46.800 A:middle L:90% . Obviously we're still running that show and look at 49 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:53.930 A:middle L:90% it. And so a course of study was set 50 00:03:53.930 --> 00:03:59.150 A:middle L:90% up whereby that if I went through and got my 51 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:02.360 A:middle L:90% masters as well, I could do the whole thing 52 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:09.020 A:middle L:90% In one extra quarter. I was the most irregular 53 00:04:09.020 --> 00:04:12.669 A:middle L:90% students who ever saw. You looked at that record 54 00:04:12.669 --> 00:04:15.850 A:middle L:90% . But anyway, in fact, it was so 55 00:04:15.850 --> 00:04:19.810 A:middle L:90% irregular when I went to Burrows Hall and came back 56 00:04:19.810 --> 00:04:23.939 A:middle L:90% with my Bachelor's. What did I do? I 57 00:04:23.939 --> 00:04:25.899 A:middle L:90% went up to the drawing room and finish the drawing 58 00:04:25.899 --> 00:04:29.360 A:middle L:90% . I already had a degree for that's how much 59 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:31.470 A:middle L:90% they bet the record to allow me to do what 60 00:04:31.470 --> 00:04:40.459 A:middle L:90% I did. But at any rate, uh obviously 61 00:04:40.459 --> 00:04:47.399 A:middle L:90% as a student in architecture in those days within the 62 00:04:47.410 --> 00:04:50.180 A:middle L:90% engineering college, if you look back at the record 63 00:04:50.180 --> 00:04:54.449 A:middle L:90% , while we had to take all of the math 64 00:04:55.939 --> 00:05:01.600 A:middle L:90% , physics, chemistry, mechanics, everything the engineers 65 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:08.560 A:middle L:90% did in their basic courses. And then there, 66 00:05:08.939 --> 00:05:12.360 A:middle L:90% even on top of that, when it came to 67 00:05:12.370 --> 00:05:19.490 A:middle L:90% came time to teach us about electrical and mechanical aspects 68 00:05:19.490 --> 00:05:24.290 A:middle L:90% of architecture, why we went over to engineering. 69 00:05:24.290 --> 00:05:27.459 A:middle L:90% And what do they do they take say well, 70 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:32.759 A:middle L:90% here's a way you can estimate how many foot candles 71 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:42.089 A:middle L:90% occur on a working plane. Well, course, 72 00:05:42.089 --> 00:05:45.740 A:middle L:90% the problem with that is architecturally, that's not the 73 00:05:45.740 --> 00:05:48.819 A:middle L:90% first question. How do you want this space revealed 74 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:50.220 A:middle L:90% ? Now? We can get that foot can also 75 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:57.360 A:middle L:90% and you can carry that over into hard verdict, 76 00:05:58.139 --> 00:06:01.350 A:middle L:90% capable hot or cool. But how about this building 77 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.019 A:middle L:90% structure that goes along with it? It's just as 78 00:06:05.019 --> 00:06:11.790 A:middle L:90% important example. I Site on that one is this 79 00:06:11.790 --> 00:06:15.709 A:middle L:90% idea engineer that built a house over with great big 80 00:06:15.709 --> 00:06:19.769 A:middle L:90% single plate sheets of glass with a little register under 81 00:06:19.769 --> 00:06:25.589 A:middle L:90% each one of them. My first question too much 82 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:29.120 A:middle L:90% . And you didn't double glazed those windows? Oh 83 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:34.389 A:middle L:90% no, the mechanical engineer said, Mhm I wouldn't 84 00:06:34.389 --> 00:06:39.149 A:middle L:90% save enough on fuel to make it. Mhm. 85 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:42.629 A:middle L:90% Yeah. Worthwhile. I said that's not the issue 86 00:06:42.629 --> 00:06:46.579 A:middle L:90% issues comfort. You know when it goes to zero 87 00:06:46.589 --> 00:06:48.259 A:middle L:90% and you're trying to maintain 70 inside what the inside 88 00:06:48.259 --> 00:06:51.680 A:middle L:90% surface temperatures, that glasses, It's 22° and you're 89 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:55.250 A:middle L:90% radiating to it. You haven't even got a radio 90 00:06:55.259 --> 00:06:59.879 A:middle L:90% . Come on. I have not been able to 91 00:06:59.889 --> 00:07:02.490 A:middle L:90% get into the house to see what it's like now 92 00:07:02.490 --> 00:07:08.610 A:middle L:90% , but I know done something changed. But this 93 00:07:08.610 --> 00:07:16.069 A:middle L:90% sites why uh, in developing architecture to the point 94 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:18.980 A:middle L:90% it would be a college. We had to bring 95 00:07:18.980 --> 00:07:28.310 A:middle L:90% courses into the college out of engineering that weren't taught 96 00:07:28.310 --> 00:07:30.949 A:middle L:90% as it should be two architects. And so, 97 00:07:31.939 --> 00:07:39.339 A:middle L:90% uh, what happened? Well, I came here 98 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:41.750 A:middle L:90% . That's a, uh, that's what you win 99 00:07:41.750 --> 00:07:46.519 A:middle L:90% second for the clock. Okay. Oh, Every 100 00:07:46.529 --> 00:07:58.329 A:middle L:90% 15 minutes it. Anyway, uh, 1946, 101 00:07:58.329 --> 00:08:03.180 A:middle L:90% I came in the fall to a reunion and Professor 102 00:08:03.180 --> 00:08:07.139 A:middle L:90% cole said, well, had I ever thought of 103 00:08:07.139 --> 00:08:15.160 A:middle L:90% teaching? I said, well, yeah, not 104 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.279 A:middle L:90% really. But I've done it. And of course 105 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.470 A:middle L:90% , jesus were coming and he knew he was going 106 00:08:22.470 --> 00:08:26.139 A:middle L:90% to have to have more faculty. And his comment 107 00:08:26.139 --> 00:08:30.959 A:middle L:90% was, well, I'll probably call you spring sometime 108 00:08:31.139 --> 00:08:33.279 A:middle L:90% . So I go back home and hear the architecture 109 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:37.450 A:middle L:90% firm I was working for was having it struggles to 110 00:08:37.460 --> 00:08:43.289 A:middle L:90% get going after the war and by Galileo let go 111 00:08:43.289 --> 00:08:50.889 A:middle L:90% their highest paid family member, uh huh. Technical 112 00:08:50.889 --> 00:08:54.710 A:middle L:90% member nations. Anyway, I thought to myself, 113 00:08:54.720 --> 00:09:01.299 A:middle L:90% gee so what's going to happen here? Well and 114 00:09:01.299 --> 00:09:05.990 A:middle L:90% about the same time cold call me anyway, you're 115 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.960 A:middle L:90% way ahead of time when he said he was So 116 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.590 A:middle L:90% my comment to him as well. Okay, I 117 00:09:11.590 --> 00:09:13.590 A:middle L:90% think I'm going to make a change. You've got 118 00:09:13.590 --> 00:09:24.350 A:middle L:90% first crack. Yeah. So um, they made 119 00:09:24.350 --> 00:09:28.169 A:middle L:90% their offer what was a little below what I was 120 00:09:28.169 --> 00:09:31.659 A:middle L:90% making and had been making even during the war? 121 00:09:33.139 --> 00:09:35.850 A:middle L:90% No, you gotta meet that. So and so 122 00:09:35.850 --> 00:09:41.100 A:middle L:90% when So he went to President Newman said I want 123 00:09:41.100 --> 00:09:45.139 A:middle L:90% this man. So they agreed. So I wound 124 00:09:45.139 --> 00:09:52.480 A:middle L:90% up here in March of 1940 seven. And one 125 00:09:52.480 --> 00:10:00.659 A:middle L:90% of my jobs was to establish these courses relating to 126 00:10:01.139 --> 00:10:05.940 A:middle L:90% heat, sound and sanitation, all that we've gotten 127 00:10:05.950 --> 00:10:11.320 A:middle L:90% from. Mhm. Engineering it back in my student 128 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:18.820 A:middle L:90% days. Yeah. At the same time when I 129 00:10:18.820 --> 00:10:22.029 A:middle L:90% went to school here There were two options, a 130 00:10:22.029 --> 00:10:31.299 A:middle L:90% design option and a construction options. That was because 131 00:10:31.299 --> 00:10:31.830 A:middle L:90% well if you want to be an architect, you 132 00:10:31.830 --> 00:10:33.259 A:middle L:90% took the design of what you want to be a 133 00:10:33.259 --> 00:10:35.559 A:middle L:90% contractor. Building contractor, you took the other. 134 00:10:37.940 --> 00:10:46.460 A:middle L:90% Okay. Uh not too long after I got here 135 00:10:46.539 --> 00:10:52.210 A:middle L:90% , they decided that instead of that arrangement we needed 136 00:10:52.210 --> 00:10:58.750 A:middle L:90% of course or curriculum and a degree that related to 137 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:03.159 A:middle L:90% building construction. And so the building instruction option expand 138 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:09.250 A:middle L:90% away from being just the department in an engineer. 139 00:11:09.259 --> 00:11:13.159 A:middle L:90% God, you know. Yeah. And I think 140 00:11:13.169 --> 00:11:15.860 A:middle L:90% to it was that time of the, you know 141 00:11:15.870 --> 00:11:20.139 A:middle L:90% post bauhaus, you know, international style. Yeah 142 00:11:20.340 --> 00:11:33.179 A:middle L:90% . Yeah. Well in fact. Oh, bows 143 00:11:37.139 --> 00:11:43.220 A:middle L:90% . The fellow responsible about Gropius rather was here I 144 00:11:43.220 --> 00:11:50.440 A:middle L:90% think. Uh Well sometimes in the 60s anyway. 145 00:11:50.789 --> 00:11:52.379 A:middle L:90% Yeah, I think there's a connection to him through 146 00:11:52.389 --> 00:11:56.210 A:middle L:90% burchard. I think it was is or may have 147 00:11:56.210 --> 00:12:03.139 A:middle L:90% been our effort and there's some good oh yeah, 148 00:12:05.539 --> 00:12:13.559 A:middle L:90% great world gee. But it sounds like even even 149 00:12:13.570 --> 00:12:15.200 A:middle L:90% for you, like you said it was sort of 150 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:18.970 A:middle L:90% post Bose arts. Uh Yeah, so that was 151 00:12:18.980 --> 00:12:26.940 A:middle L:90% , it was changing. Yeah. Well in my 152 00:12:26.940 --> 00:12:35.460 A:middle L:90% student days we had to do the classic orders and 153 00:12:37.539 --> 00:12:41.460 A:middle L:90% using chinese inking stage and shadows and all that stuff 154 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:46.629 A:middle L:90% . I don't know whether they can do that now 155 00:12:46.629 --> 00:12:48.740 A:middle L:90% or not. And of course the music thing is 156 00:12:48.740 --> 00:12:52.210 A:middle L:90% that when I went to work after the World War 157 00:12:52.210 --> 00:12:56.340 A:middle L:90% Two, we're architectural firm in Richmond. Yeah, 158 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:07.279 A:middle L:90% one of their members was mm pretty old fellow grew 159 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:11.159 A:middle L:90% up back when really people really learned to draw. 160 00:13:15.340 --> 00:13:26.690 A:middle L:90% And uh obviously some architecture was yeah so called cologne 161 00:13:26.690 --> 00:13:33.549 A:middle L:90% young stuff with some of the orders. It's part 162 00:13:33.549 --> 00:13:41.259 A:middle L:90% of the skiing on the drawings, contract drawings. 163 00:13:43.740 --> 00:13:54.480 A:middle L:90% Well here would be front elevation with Corinthian columns on 164 00:13:54.480 --> 00:14:01.340 A:middle L:90% it. That fellow could take his pen and ink 165 00:14:01.350 --> 00:14:07.750 A:middle L:90% and draw that thing right on. Don't No problem 166 00:14:09.740 --> 00:14:11.259 A:middle L:90% . Uh huh. We could do that now. 167 00:14:11.269 --> 00:14:15.960 A:middle L:90% I don't know. It's not even taught. I 168 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:18.559 A:middle L:90% mean that would be something you learned on your that 169 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:28.269 A:middle L:90% in fact. Well um I did some pen and 170 00:14:28.269 --> 00:14:31.720 A:middle L:90% ink, mostly structural drawings when I was working for 171 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.870 A:middle L:90% him. Pen, ink, pen and ink on 172 00:14:35.870 --> 00:14:39.240 A:middle L:90% linen. But nothing like that free and stuff that 173 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:43.500 A:middle L:90% guy could do. Come. Yeah we were doing 174 00:14:43.500 --> 00:14:48.039 A:middle L:90% some buildings for the University of Virginia. Yeah. 175 00:14:48.940 --> 00:14:52.960 A:middle L:90% An old boy. I have another question for you 176 00:14:52.970 --> 00:14:56.970 A:middle L:90% . So you you you obviously designed furniture and build 177 00:14:56.970 --> 00:15:00.450 A:middle L:90% furniture, did you? Is that something that came 178 00:15:00.450 --> 00:15:11.059 A:middle L:90% out of architecture for you? Or uh from the 179 00:15:11.059 --> 00:15:15.460 A:middle L:90% design standpoint? Maybe a bit if you look at 180 00:15:15.460 --> 00:15:18.059 A:middle L:90% that clock on the way up, it doesn't look 181 00:15:18.059 --> 00:15:24.720 A:middle L:90% like the typical grandfather scar with Mhm. Did you 182 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:33.980 A:middle L:90% know this is uh modern tall clock is what I'd 183 00:15:33.980 --> 00:15:37.399 A:middle L:90% call it uh told us I could make it to 184 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.049 A:middle L:90% fit in where it was going and so I call 185 00:15:41.049 --> 00:15:43.090 A:middle L:90% it a grandmother's clock if you want to but any 186 00:15:43.090 --> 00:15:50.860 A:middle L:90% right. Uh huh. Here it is Philippine mahogany 187 00:15:52.740 --> 00:16:00.649 A:middle L:90% , mm plywood and aluminium corners where the door shuts 188 00:16:00.940 --> 00:16:06.320 A:middle L:90% and the glazing, it's plastic so nobody could break 189 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:10.559 A:middle L:90% it. Yeah, the only thing that looks old 190 00:16:11.139 --> 00:16:15.049 A:middle L:90% , the hands that came with the movement I bought 191 00:16:15.539 --> 00:16:21.740 A:middle L:90% obviously were intended for the oh, classic stuff and 192 00:16:21.740 --> 00:16:27.360 A:middle L:90% I didn't make new hands to deal with that. 193 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.799 A:middle L:90% But other than that way I designed it and I 194 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:41.129 A:middle L:90% made it. Yeah. Uh huh and house I 195 00:16:41.129 --> 00:16:45.350 A:middle L:90% built for myself the same way in drag pipes. 196 00:16:47.539 --> 00:16:56.529 A:middle L:90% John lives in Dallas. The younger one younger than 197 00:16:56.539 --> 00:16:59.840 A:middle L:90% one lives here. I was amazed when he came 198 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:03.360 A:middle L:90% and he saw my dining table in here which is 199 00:17:04.539 --> 00:17:15.119 A:middle L:90% kind of harks back and you knew perfectly well. 200 00:17:15.130 --> 00:17:18.539 A:middle L:90% Teakwood thing that I had. Sorry, it was 201 00:17:18.539 --> 00:17:25.740 A:middle L:90% quite from a design point different. In fact our 202 00:17:25.740 --> 00:17:26.559 A:middle L:90% whole house was well, there's, I was right 203 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:36.349 A:middle L:90% up there. Beautiful. Yeah, yeah. Anyway 204 00:17:37.740 --> 00:17:45.970 A:middle L:90% , yeah. Say you, you looks very post 205 00:17:45.970 --> 00:17:51.549 A:middle L:90% World War two uh modern. Of course the amusing 206 00:17:51.549 --> 00:17:55.859 A:middle L:90% thing to me was people would look at it and 207 00:17:55.869 --> 00:18:02.569 A:middle L:90% go inside and would mentioned frank Lloyd wright. I 208 00:18:02.569 --> 00:18:11.220 A:middle L:90% said, well yeah, there is a similarity in 209 00:18:11.220 --> 00:18:15.039 A:middle L:90% this respect. Right? That wanted a material to 210 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:22.089 A:middle L:90% look like what it was. Well, those are 211 00:18:22.099 --> 00:18:30.849 A:middle L:90% entered with a colored block. The would work inside 212 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:36.019 A:middle L:90% was large. You try to buy some of that 213 00:18:36.019 --> 00:18:41.859 A:middle L:90% now all with a natural finish on it. So 214 00:18:45.339 --> 00:18:51.349 A:middle L:90% from the standpoint of the materials, obviously being what 215 00:18:51.349 --> 00:18:53.190 A:middle L:90% they are. Which for? Right, that was 216 00:18:53.190 --> 00:18:56.990 A:middle L:90% a big deal beyond that. Uh huh. Because 217 00:18:56.990 --> 00:19:03.670 A:middle L:90% he liked some nice low ceilings. He was just 218 00:19:03.339 --> 00:19:11.720 A:middle L:90% , yeah, although he wasn't opposed to sloping ceilings 219 00:19:11.339 --> 00:19:19.059 A:middle L:90% of course. But that house the only flat ceilings 220 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:23.920 A:middle L:90% with the little holes leading right where the bedrooms connected 221 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.970 A:middle L:90% to the bears. That was it. Or at 222 00:19:27.970 --> 00:19:32.960 A:middle L:90% the main entry, which was just to buy a 223 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:37.140 A:middle L:90% bite square those that's the only factory when you find 224 00:19:37.140 --> 00:19:41.809 A:middle L:90% the whole building. Uh it seems more, you 225 00:19:41.809 --> 00:19:47.990 A:middle L:90% know. Kindle like annoy tra uh Anyway. Uh 226 00:19:47.990 --> 00:19:52.460 A:middle L:90% huh. One of the artists think that this was 227 00:19:52.460 --> 00:19:56.380 A:middle L:90% on a street corner. Yeah, this was the 228 00:19:56.380 --> 00:19:59.460 A:middle L:90% front street and on a side street over here. 229 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:06.150 A:middle L:90% So my problem was how do I put a main 230 00:20:06.150 --> 00:20:11.250 A:middle L:90% entry? Which is this, you can see the 231 00:20:11.250 --> 00:20:15.089 A:middle L:90% main injury right behind that tree trunk treats, not 232 00:20:15.089 --> 00:20:19.940 A:middle L:90% going away. But the carport. What? And 233 00:20:19.950 --> 00:20:26.630 A:middle L:90% I finally built a garage to our right, careful 234 00:20:26.630 --> 00:20:32.299 A:middle L:90% , you're still like, yeah there's a two car 235 00:20:32.299 --> 00:20:33.809 A:middle L:90% garage. It used to be a carport here. 236 00:20:33.809 --> 00:20:37.039 A:middle L:90% Originally. Then I built the garage. So you 237 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:40.269 A:middle L:90% get out here and you come in and the back 238 00:20:40.269 --> 00:20:41.559 A:middle L:90% and front entrance are practically on top of another. 239 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:49.970 A:middle L:90% But as you go inside, oh you gotta know 240 00:20:49.970 --> 00:20:55.130 A:middle L:90% what you're doing there. Actually connected the door between 241 00:20:55.130 --> 00:21:00.359 A:middle L:90% the two so they're entirely shepherd and then the kitchen 242 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:04.559 A:middle L:90% was right in the middle bedrooms down this way, 243 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:11.130 A:middle L:90% living room here, living dining, family, and 244 00:21:11.130 --> 00:21:18.230 A:middle L:90% then finally the master bedroom behind. So the two 245 00:21:18.230 --> 00:21:22.289 A:middle L:90% bags were well master bedroom on this side, the 246 00:21:22.289 --> 00:21:25.789 A:middle L:90% boy's bedroom on the other anyway it was a great 247 00:21:25.789 --> 00:21:33.640 A:middle L:90% house really one night Uh huh. Had no trouble 248 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:41.099 A:middle L:90% selling. In fact I had sold it, the 249 00:21:41.109 --> 00:21:47.589 A:middle L:90% man was an architecture student at florida as a matter 250 00:21:47.589 --> 00:21:55.960 A:middle L:90% of fact uh huh and when I told it my 251 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.779 A:middle L:90% neighbor dying across this way I want to buy your 252 00:22:00.779 --> 00:22:03.859 A:middle L:90% house, I said well you're a little late sister 253 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:15.339 A:middle L:90% . Yeah. Mhm Which proves the point, I 254 00:22:15.339 --> 00:22:25.049 A:middle L:90% think well designed building the problem and so much of 255 00:22:25.049 --> 00:22:30.769 A:middle L:90% what we do is come on. Yeah. Mhm 256 00:22:30.140 --> 00:22:33.769 A:middle L:90% . Or just so far I mean what's interesting for 257 00:22:33.769 --> 00:22:37.849 A:middle L:90% me as a student again is trying to understand this 258 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:41.160 A:middle L:90% the truth, you know the things that never change 259 00:22:41.170 --> 00:22:47.079 A:middle L:90% about architecture and not the through what's what's new and 260 00:22:47.089 --> 00:22:49.470 A:middle L:90% exciting, you know, exciting there it seems to 261 00:22:49.470 --> 00:22:56.890 A:middle L:90% me just certain things that are principles my judicial built 262 00:22:56.890 --> 00:23:00.670 A:middle L:90% in north florida with no air conditioning. Mhm. 263 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:14.710 A:middle L:90% And oh most people course around there would have they 264 00:23:14.710 --> 00:23:21.829 A:middle L:90% have the air conditioning and they have air systems well 265 00:23:21.829 --> 00:23:25.980 A:middle L:90% more friday gets pretty damn cold. In fact the 266 00:23:25.990 --> 00:23:27.200 A:middle L:90% first when I was there I had a thought a 267 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:30.769 A:middle L:90% pipe so I can get out of water. What 268 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:36.730 A:middle L:90% ? So I have baseball radiate radiant heat in that 269 00:23:36.740 --> 00:23:44.019 A:middle L:90% place because I had single well that's south you see 270 00:23:44.019 --> 00:23:49.390 A:middle L:90% there 5-foot high windows with yeah. Uh I think 271 00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:52.490 A:middle L:90% all right then I designed how the roof I hang 272 00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:56.559 A:middle L:90% over is there? So that all through the summer 273 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:07.160 A:middle L:90% the shadow was at the sill or below in the 274 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:14.390 A:middle L:90% winter other way uh And the clear story at the 275 00:24:14.390 --> 00:24:18.059 A:middle L:90% top there put light into the kitchen. Oh. 276 00:24:18.539 --> 00:24:27.200 A:middle L:90% Mhm. And all these sloping roofs and so on 277 00:24:27.210 --> 00:24:30.730 A:middle L:90% all that had an air in it and there came 278 00:24:30.730 --> 00:24:36.970 A:middle L:90% up over the insulation and then out at the top 279 00:24:36.980 --> 00:24:37.960 A:middle L:90% . In other words, all the heat trying to 280 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:41.700 A:middle L:90% go in through the roof got ventilated out. So 281 00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:44.549 A:middle L:90% you have like a soft event that brought it. 282 00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:47.269 A:middle L:90% Yeah. So in the roof itself, so that 283 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:53.529 A:middle L:90% every I had well, I'd roof doing this for 284 00:24:53.529 --> 00:24:56.420 A:middle L:90% this as you can see there. But the point 285 00:24:56.420 --> 00:25:02.920 A:middle L:90% is that even here clear story, the air if 286 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:04.809 A:middle L:90% you come in here and come out here below those 287 00:25:04.809 --> 00:25:10.769 A:middle L:90% windows there because there was an outlet there. So 288 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:19.160 A:middle L:90% uh uh and furthermore, you could open windows low 289 00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:25.089 A:middle L:90% down and you could open those clear story windows here 290 00:25:25.089 --> 00:25:27.170 A:middle L:90% . Come in. Yeah, only one problem. 291 00:25:30.539 --> 00:25:33.549 A:middle L:90% That piano, you see there is not the first 292 00:25:33.549 --> 00:25:40.079 A:middle L:90% one I bought 1st 1. I bought my younger 293 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:45.349 A:middle L:90% son who was aspiring piano. Hey, well, 294 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:51.839 A:middle L:90% so Bowman had to bring me another one. Well 295 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:53.930 A:middle L:90% , this damn humidity isn't doing the piano very much 296 00:25:53.930 --> 00:25:56.990 A:middle L:90% good. Not only that, I pull out my 297 00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:04.210 A:middle L:90% slides, the black spots on them. Well, 298 00:26:04.210 --> 00:26:07.410 A:middle L:90% damn it. Yeah, I guess I got to 299 00:26:07.410 --> 00:26:12.170 A:middle L:90% do something about this community. So I went ahead 300 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:21.369 A:middle L:90% and install the air conditioning and when my wife found 301 00:26:21.369 --> 00:26:23.480 A:middle L:90% out along about a little over three tons, you 302 00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:26.089 A:middle L:90% know, oh, someone's always got four or five 303 00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:29.569 A:middle L:90% , I don't give a damn. We don't have 304 00:26:29.569 --> 00:26:33.420 A:middle L:90% that much. Getting that is the problem. Uh 305 00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:37.359 A:middle L:90% huh. So yeah, you're just using as a 306 00:26:37.369 --> 00:26:41.910 A:middle L:90% dehumidifier basically. Yeah. Uh, so it's like 307 00:26:41.910 --> 00:26:42.269 A:middle L:90% , I would tell some people, I said, 308 00:26:42.269 --> 00:26:44.950 A:middle L:90% well, I can do things that you can't do 309 00:26:45.539 --> 00:26:48.059 A:middle L:90% . I am cool this thing down like nothing bad 310 00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:48.750 A:middle L:90% . And if it gets too cool, I can 311 00:26:48.750 --> 00:26:52.859 A:middle L:90% just turn on the heat and get it back, 312 00:26:52.869 --> 00:26:56.349 A:middle L:90% which I never did it anyway, the biggest problem 313 00:26:56.349 --> 00:27:03.559 A:middle L:90% I had was that, that south side, obviously 314 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:10.170 A:middle L:90% that heated up the living room, dining room, 315 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.450 A:middle L:90% family room, and master bedroom. But the other 316 00:27:14.450 --> 00:27:18.400 A:middle L:90% side of the house, it didn't. So if 317 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.670 A:middle L:90% you put the thermostat on the south side, the 318 00:27:21.670 --> 00:27:23.640 A:middle L:90% other side be too cold because this says it don't 319 00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:26.869 A:middle L:90% need it, you put it on the other side 320 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.450 A:middle L:90% , it's the other way around. So what I 321 00:27:29.450 --> 00:27:32.509 A:middle L:90% finally had to do to saw that was, but 322 00:27:32.509 --> 00:27:36.049 A:middle L:90% the thermal step here on the north side, but 323 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:41.369 A:middle L:90% they do make thermostat tickly control valves that I could 324 00:27:41.369 --> 00:27:42.680 A:middle L:90% put it in the circuit on the south side to 325 00:27:42.690 --> 00:27:45.750 A:middle L:90% cut down the water flow if it's sensing, hey 326 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.029 A:middle L:90% , you don't need it, you know? And 327 00:27:48.029 --> 00:27:49.970 A:middle L:90% so when I sold the house to these people, 328 00:27:49.970 --> 00:27:53.109 A:middle L:90% I said that's it. Just don't touch it because 329 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:57.460 A:middle L:90% we do, you got screwed orders. Yeah, 330 00:27:59.339 --> 00:28:02.299 A:middle L:90% yeah. I recently saw retrofit that you can do 331 00:28:02.299 --> 00:28:04.740 A:middle L:90% to just an old fashioned radiator that I actually put 332 00:28:04.740 --> 00:28:11.960 A:middle L:90% it on its own zone regular anyway. So, 333 00:28:11.539 --> 00:28:18.769 A:middle L:90% but another thing I did, uh, that you 334 00:28:18.769 --> 00:28:27.059 A:middle L:90% can do, you can buy a he transferred device 335 00:28:30.339 --> 00:28:37.170 A:middle L:90% that can take the heat from your outside side unit 336 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:49.160 A:middle L:90% and circulate the high pressure gas over to this unit 337 00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:56.839 A:middle L:90% to heat water at, which can go to your 338 00:28:56.849 --> 00:29:02.049 A:middle L:90% domestic water tank. There you go. We're about 339 00:29:02.940 --> 00:29:04.609 A:middle L:90% 300 bucks. I could buy that, have that 340 00:29:04.609 --> 00:29:08.000 A:middle L:90% do it. So here just thing instead of throwing 341 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:11.569 A:middle L:90% heat back outdoors, getting them like and spending less 342 00:29:11.569 --> 00:29:15.359 A:middle L:90% to cool down because you're doing it. And the 343 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.359 A:middle L:90% thing that got me was that the local uh, 344 00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:30.009 A:middle L:90% mm electric utility people there, we'd get us together 345 00:29:30.009 --> 00:29:41.359 A:middle L:90% and talk about what, well, maybe using solar 346 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:45.150 A:middle L:90% energy and some of that sort of thing. And 347 00:29:45.150 --> 00:29:48.799 A:middle L:90% when I brought up this, I said, hey 348 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.700 A:middle L:90% , that's you know, come on hell of a 349 00:29:52.700 --> 00:29:59.930 A:middle L:90% lot cheaper to put in and it well, can't 350 00:29:59.930 --> 00:30:03.549 A:middle L:90% get this plumbers to hook up each other things, 351 00:30:04.339 --> 00:30:06.990 A:middle L:90% hook him up, right, or make them work 352 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:07.549 A:middle L:90% right, or whatever. I said, well, 353 00:30:08.740 --> 00:30:11.170 A:middle L:90% it's not that complicated, buddy, come on. 354 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:22.059 A:middle L:90% Uh huh. Oh, geez. Anyway, yeah 355 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:30.619 A:middle L:90% , well um of course in florida down near the 356 00:30:30.619 --> 00:30:42.910 A:middle L:90% Cape, they had this research facility for energy utilization 357 00:30:42.910 --> 00:30:47.019 A:middle L:90% and so on. And here I've done all these 358 00:30:47.019 --> 00:30:48.319 A:middle L:90% things, they're talking about trying to convince people to 359 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:51.839 A:middle L:90% do, you know? Mhm. So I got 360 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:52.619 A:middle L:90% the example right here, I already done it, 361 00:30:52.619 --> 00:31:00.049 A:middle L:90% Come on. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. Uh 362 00:31:07.140 --> 00:31:10.789 A:middle L:90% one one problem I've had in teaching of course is 363 00:31:10.789 --> 00:31:18.960 A:middle L:90% that most people who teach in the architectural curriculum are 364 00:31:19.140 --> 00:31:25.680 A:middle L:90% closely allied to certain aspect of it, like design 365 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:29.839 A:middle L:90% our structures or in my case environment stuff. And 366 00:31:29.910 --> 00:31:37.009 A:middle L:90% some of them are so focused, well let's say 367 00:31:37.009 --> 00:31:41.200 A:middle L:90% design that they don't even realize what the rest is 368 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.460 A:middle L:90% all about and obviously that affects what their students do 369 00:31:47.819 --> 00:31:52.059 A:middle L:90% . I remember once for example, you're the student 370 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.759 A:middle L:90% in the days of bare bone structure and all that 371 00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.769 A:middle L:90% . So here he had this concrete structure thing. 372 00:32:00.140 --> 00:32:07.859 A:middle L:90% As I remember it was some kind of museum art 373 00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:12.769 A:middle L:90% gallery or whatever and he was no, I was 374 00:32:12.769 --> 00:32:16.259 A:middle L:90% on the jury looking at all this. Well this 375 00:32:16.259 --> 00:32:20.160 A:middle L:90% is a rare condition. Yeah. Well tell me 376 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.450 A:middle L:90% how you get to hear from burn in earth what 377 00:32:22.940 --> 00:32:27.990 A:middle L:90% you know, bare bone structure? Well he went 378 00:32:27.990 --> 00:32:30.559 A:middle L:90% through it not too easily, but he did. 379 00:32:31.740 --> 00:32:36.980 A:middle L:90% Well yeah, that's it. He was feeling very 380 00:32:36.980 --> 00:32:37.559 A:middle L:90% good with himself. He told me how to do 381 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:42.950 A:middle L:90% it. I said now next question how do you 382 00:32:42.950 --> 00:32:52.250 A:middle L:90% get it back? Oh ha. Yeah when I 383 00:32:52.250 --> 00:32:55.829 A:middle L:90% told this story to bunch of mechanical engineers really administer 384 00:32:57.730 --> 00:33:00.549 A:middle L:90% . Well that's a bad reputation that we get right 385 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:05.579 A:middle L:90% because contractors or whoever you know I don't have today 386 00:33:05.589 --> 00:33:10.099 A:middle L:90% . They never think about these things that well the 387 00:33:10.099 --> 00:33:16.460 A:middle L:90% lash. Yeah the last acoustical job I did for 388 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:28.609 A:middle L:90% Mr Berman in Tampa. It involved keeping air conditioning 389 00:33:28.609 --> 00:33:35.490 A:middle L:90% quiet for hospital edition. Well this meant well they 390 00:33:35.490 --> 00:33:43.740 A:middle L:90% had penthouse to hold this equipment. Well if you're 391 00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:49.309 A:middle L:90% going to keep up air conditioning and a great big 392 00:33:49.309 --> 00:33:54.450 A:middle L:90% old fan in it quiet you've got to have room 393 00:33:54.450 --> 00:34:06.170 A:middle L:90% to put some um isolation. No no these uh 394 00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:14.389 A:middle L:90% what's the my terminology has been so long since anyway 395 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:25.840 A:middle L:90% um These units attenuate sound uh at the discharge of 396 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:34.130 A:middle L:90% the as well as the return intake. And they 397 00:34:34.130 --> 00:34:44.530 A:middle L:90% do take room And mind you it had to be 398 00:34:44.539 --> 00:34:52.019 A:middle L:90% in the penthouse because the minute you go through the 399 00:34:52.019 --> 00:34:58.230 A:middle L:90% floor, you're right there where you start distributing in 400 00:34:58.230 --> 00:35:00.239 A:middle L:90% these areas, there's no room to put these units 401 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:06.699 A:middle L:90% in. There has to be then to make the 402 00:35:06.699 --> 00:35:13.090 A:middle L:90% penthouse bigger by a whole bay. And then when 403 00:35:13.090 --> 00:35:15.969 A:middle L:90% we well that's what it takes. Come on. 404 00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:22.389 A:middle L:90% Well, even the mechanical engineer you see, wasn't 405 00:35:22.389 --> 00:35:24.250 A:middle L:90% on top of it, much less the arctic. 406 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:34.010 A:middle L:90% Yeah. See I think it's talking to a lot 407 00:35:34.010 --> 00:35:36.960 A:middle L:90% of people like yourself. One thing that's become clear 408 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:40.119 A:middle L:90% to me is that certainly in the earlier days of 409 00:35:40.130 --> 00:35:44.889 A:middle L:90% the program everybody had practiced, right? So there 410 00:35:44.889 --> 00:35:51.380 A:middle L:90% was this reality of of what you were doing as 411 00:35:51.380 --> 00:35:52.750 A:middle L:90% an architect that was brought to the teaching. Well 412 00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:57.849 A:middle L:90% , good point there because when I was here, 413 00:35:57.860 --> 00:36:00.280 A:middle L:90% there was an opportunity to go to Princeton on some 414 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:06.250 A:middle L:90% research they were going to do. And uh I 415 00:36:06.250 --> 00:36:13.889 A:middle L:90% thought, well, mhm. Ah, printing at 416 00:36:13.889 --> 00:36:19.050 A:middle L:90% that time was offering a PhD yet. And then 417 00:36:19.170 --> 00:36:22.670 A:middle L:90% the these days before phds something everybody had to have 418 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:28.690 A:middle L:90% , you know, and I and he's, the 419 00:36:28.690 --> 00:36:30.670 A:middle L:90% dean wrote me a letter back said, well, 420 00:36:30.670 --> 00:36:38.400 A:middle L:90% look, you're a registered architect and got this teaching 421 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:42.590 A:middle L:90% experience behind me and all that. I hope we 422 00:36:42.590 --> 00:36:45.519 A:middle L:90% never get to the point where we think everybody has 423 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:50.699 A:middle L:90% to have a PhD. Because if you've got the 424 00:36:50.699 --> 00:36:54.820 A:middle L:90% professional credentials, what the heck? That's ought to 425 00:36:54.820 --> 00:37:01.369 A:middle L:90% be enough to what you I feel like writing vaccine 426 00:37:01.380 --> 00:37:05.769 A:middle L:90% . Okay. So why are they, what are 427 00:37:05.780 --> 00:37:07.750 A:middle L:90% you doing this? Which is leading right to it 428 00:37:08.429 --> 00:37:14.550 A:middle L:90% ? Which of course it adds. Uh So, 429 00:37:15.369 --> 00:37:22.239 A:middle L:90% but my point being that so many faculty members down 430 00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:27.670 A:middle L:90% the years and I've been associated with are not even 431 00:37:27.670 --> 00:37:30.369 A:middle L:90% registered architects have never been in practice. And yet 432 00:37:30.380 --> 00:37:35.590 A:middle L:90% these and these guys to design buildings. I remember 433 00:37:35.590 --> 00:37:39.840 A:middle L:90% , for example, where here was this program for 434 00:37:44.329 --> 00:37:49.260 A:middle L:90% high school music facilities, which meant a bunch of 435 00:37:49.260 --> 00:37:53.150 A:middle L:90% practice rooms, obviously a great big band room and 436 00:37:53.150 --> 00:38:01.239 A:middle L:90% this fellow um, showed it to me and I 437 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.900 A:middle L:90% looked at it. Mm hmm. How many people 438 00:38:04.900 --> 00:38:07.730 A:middle L:90% in there? About 80? I said, yeah 439 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:09.650 A:middle L:90% . So you get this double door thing so people 440 00:38:09.650 --> 00:38:15.539 A:middle L:90% can get in out. Yeah. Yeah. Where 441 00:38:15.539 --> 00:38:22.519 A:middle L:90% is the second entry or exit? Oh Well when 442 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:24.119 A:middle L:90% you've got more than 50, you got to have 443 00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:28.000 A:middle L:90% it. And here he was surrounded by so much 444 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:30.440 A:middle L:90% stuff. There was no way he could add it 445 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:37.260 A:middle L:90% without completely redoing his old relation of everything. Come 446 00:38:37.260 --> 00:38:39.320 A:middle L:90% on. That's like first year stuff. Yeah. 447 00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:45.320 A:middle L:90% Uh, well, it's like other changes, you 448 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:50.320 A:middle L:90% know, there for so long through most of my 449 00:38:50.489 --> 00:38:58.750 A:middle L:90% practice, Uh worrying about people with disabilities was Yeah 450 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:04.010 A:middle L:90% , come on nowadays, come on. You can't 451 00:39:04.010 --> 00:39:08.539 A:middle L:90% even do a remodeling project. Yeah. Touch a 452 00:39:08.550 --> 00:39:12.449 A:middle L:90% restroom facility without realizing what you gotta do to it 453 00:39:13.219 --> 00:39:20.070 A:middle L:90% . And I can be or uh and height without 454 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:27.099 A:middle L:90% getting into a cost of an elevator. Keeping up 455 00:39:27.099 --> 00:39:30.280 A:middle L:90% with code these days, it's really enough to drug 456 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.550 A:middle L:90% up the wall. He is, it makes it 457 00:39:34.550 --> 00:39:37.840 A:middle L:90% harder to find room for the art for architecture. 458 00:39:37.820 --> 00:39:43.800 A:middle L:90% Well, yeah. Well, you know, I 459 00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:49.750 A:middle L:90% seriously considered I you know, I got really interested 460 00:39:49.829 --> 00:39:52.980 A:middle L:90% in architecture because I was in California and I was 461 00:39:52.980 --> 00:39:58.530 A:middle L:90% building mm and reawakened. You know what I loved 462 00:39:58.530 --> 00:40:00.469 A:middle L:90% about architecture? I decided I to come back but 463 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.579 A:middle L:90% I gave it a lot of thought because I thought 464 00:40:02.579 --> 00:40:08.039 A:middle L:90% really I like building. Yeah. And I think 465 00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:13.610 A:middle L:90% you know the instruction and the meeting people like you 466 00:40:13.610 --> 00:40:22.500 A:middle L:90% and experience get sure teacher is priceless but there's not 467 00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:24.429 A:middle L:90% a lot of building you know there's not a lot 468 00:40:24.429 --> 00:40:28.860 A:middle L:90% of it's just interesting for me to see the sort 469 00:40:28.860 --> 00:40:32.639 A:middle L:90% of lack of the practice side. Yeah. In 470 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:47.300 A:middle L:90% the curriculum now. Well the problem of introducing into 471 00:40:47.300 --> 00:41:00.849 A:middle L:90% the design process. Yeah. Some of these constructive 472 00:41:00.849 --> 00:41:02.659 A:middle L:90% things that you have to deal with, it's kind 473 00:41:02.659 --> 00:41:12.019 A:middle L:90% of tough if a well say when somebody wants to 474 00:41:12.019 --> 00:41:15.050 A:middle L:90% design a house and they're not the least been aware 475 00:41:15.050 --> 00:41:22.289 A:middle L:90% of basic frame construction, No two x 4, 476 00:41:22.289 --> 00:41:25.789 A:middle L:90% two x 16 and what they will do or not 477 00:41:25.789 --> 00:41:37.239 A:middle L:90% do that side of it. You can't ignore in 478 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:38.139 A:middle L:90% the design process, you just can't do it. 479 00:41:42.010 --> 00:41:44.639 A:middle L:90% Well it seems to me you go one of two 480 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.190 A:middle L:90% ways right? You either say it's all theory at 481 00:41:47.190 --> 00:41:51.000 A:middle L:90% this point and you just just go and don't worry 482 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.550 A:middle L:90% about reality or you say you have to practice in 483 00:41:54.550 --> 00:42:00.019 A:middle L:90% reality and maybe you should be aware of the company 484 00:42:00.500 --> 00:42:04.269 A:middle L:90% . Well that's the whole problem that architects has been 485 00:42:04.269 --> 00:42:07.420 A:middle L:90% defined as a fine art. Well it is but 486 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:14.010 A:middle L:90% it's so much more than that now, so if 487 00:42:14.010 --> 00:42:17.909 A:middle L:90% you really want a really fine art, well you 488 00:42:17.909 --> 00:42:24.050 A:middle L:90% better go to painting maybe or sculpture. Uh Not 489 00:42:24.050 --> 00:42:29.280 A:middle L:90% even music though because the music has a lot of 490 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:35.760 A:middle L:90% physics with it if you don't understand it. I 491 00:42:35.769 --> 00:42:38.389 A:middle L:90% think you got a problem anyway. One of my 492 00:42:38.389 --> 00:42:43.170 A:middle L:90% favorite quotes um is the same idea but about film 493 00:42:43.179 --> 00:42:45.849 A:middle L:90% filming and I forget totally forgetting the quote is from 494 00:42:45.849 --> 00:42:51.150 A:middle L:90% now it's you know, film is a business that 495 00:42:51.150 --> 00:42:54.010 A:middle L:90% occasionally rises to the level of art. And I 496 00:42:54.010 --> 00:43:00.139 A:middle L:90% think architecture is above that. I think architecture is 497 00:43:00.139 --> 00:43:02.239 A:middle L:90% more than that, but I think it's you know 498 00:43:02.250 --> 00:43:06.150 A:middle L:90% , it occasionally rises to the level of a fine 499 00:43:06.150 --> 00:43:09.940 A:middle L:90% art occasionally. Yeah, anybody can build a box 500 00:43:09.940 --> 00:43:17.639 A:middle L:90% but. Uh huh. Yeah, you g I 501 00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:21.210 A:middle L:90% feel like I've taken up an awful lot of your 502 00:43:21.210 --> 00:43:30.559 A:middle L:90% time. Well I'm getting to the point where I 503 00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:34.159 A:middle L:90% try not to worry about uh what time is it 504 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:38.730 A:middle L:90% now? Yeah. Uh Mhm. That organ there 505 00:43:39.099 --> 00:43:45.309 A:middle L:90% is now in Blacksburg and I'm making it when it 506 00:43:45.309 --> 00:43:49.869 A:middle L:90% was given to me, it was not quite that 507 00:43:49.869 --> 00:43:52.800 A:middle L:90% big, those great big bites are not part of 508 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.139 A:middle L:90% it. So it was given to me when I 509 00:43:55.139 --> 00:43:59.210 A:middle L:90% live in here and I brought it florida, so 510 00:43:59.210 --> 00:44:00.130 A:middle L:90% when I came back, what do I do with 511 00:44:00.139 --> 00:44:02.849 A:middle L:90% nutritional? Let's put it back where it was. 512 00:44:02.849 --> 00:44:09.429 A:middle L:90% I said oh there's a problem there, I started 513 00:44:09.429 --> 00:44:13.820 A:middle L:90% changing it to make it a decent organ. But 514 00:44:13.820 --> 00:44:19.940 A:middle L:90% it was it was well maybe ok for a little 515 00:44:19.940 --> 00:44:22.389 A:middle L:90% bit of practice organ in the studio for a church 516 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:24.739 A:middle L:90% . Come on, forget it. So I was 517 00:44:24.739 --> 00:44:30.050 A:middle L:90% adding to it. Those great big pipes were the 518 00:44:30.050 --> 00:44:34.119 A:middle L:90% bottom of the pedal, which the thing didn't even 519 00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:37.679 A:middle L:90% have when it was here. I said so I'm 520 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:39.000 A:middle L:90% in the process of making it a decent to manual 521 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:43.719 A:middle L:90% and pedal organ until I'm through. It's not usable 522 00:44:44.190 --> 00:44:51.820 A:middle L:90% as an instrument. So, I've been here A 523 00:44:51.829 --> 00:44:52.920 A:middle L:90% little over five years and I'm still working on it 524 00:44:54.190 --> 00:44:59.219 A:middle L:90% . It's got 10 sets of pipes in it. 525 00:45:00.090 --> 00:45:07.000 A:middle L:90% We originally had four. Only one Of those original 526 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.219 A:middle L:90% four are still in it. The rest are gone 527 00:45:10.190 --> 00:45:13.909 A:middle L:90% . So there's 10 sets of pipes in there. 528 00:45:14.289 --> 00:45:17.500 A:middle L:90% I wish there were few more. But anyway, 529 00:45:20.489 --> 00:45:22.920 A:middle L:90% so it has its own pedal, right? Mhm 530 00:45:23.590 --> 00:45:29.349 A:middle L:90% . three on the floor of annual, six on 531 00:45:29.349 --> 00:45:31.710 A:middle L:90% the top. Anyway. And all of this would 532 00:45:32.090 --> 00:45:36.969 A:middle L:90% requires then a control system for all this. Well 533 00:45:36.969 --> 00:45:39.690 A:middle L:90% in these days they don't do it the way they 534 00:45:39.690 --> 00:45:45.699 A:middle L:90% used to with all this wiring and contacts all over 535 00:45:45.699 --> 00:45:49.500 A:middle L:90% the place. They do it with solid state controls 536 00:45:50.389 --> 00:45:55.329 A:middle L:90% . Yeah. Which I've never done. I've built 537 00:45:55.329 --> 00:46:00.449 A:middle L:90% or rebuilt a few organs in my time. Some 538 00:46:00.449 --> 00:46:04.199 A:middle L:90% pictures of some other ones around the corner. But 539 00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:08.460 A:middle L:90% so here I'm right now wiring up this solid state 540 00:46:08.460 --> 00:46:12.650 A:middle L:90% stuff. And I mean I've got to roll the 541 00:46:12.650 --> 00:46:15.019 A:middle L:90% wire this big around number 24 wire that I'm using 542 00:46:15.019 --> 00:46:17.929 A:middle L:90% up to do this. And that's the way I 543 00:46:17.929 --> 00:46:23.909 A:middle L:90% spend a lot of my afternoons doing and this uh 544 00:46:27.179 --> 00:46:31.269 A:middle L:90% But again interrupted like Mhm Churchill and christian were actually 545 00:46:31.269 --> 00:46:36.300 A:middle L:90% play sunday. Well, well that means I got 546 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:42.909 A:middle L:90% worry about do a little practice and what is it 547 00:46:42.909 --> 00:46:45.710 A:middle L:90% they're going to do instead of going over warrant. 548 00:46:45.579 --> 00:46:53.570 A:middle L:90% So uh it's an old story when you retire, 549 00:46:53.570 --> 00:46:55.739 A:middle L:90% you thought you're going to have a lot of free 550 00:46:55.739 --> 00:47:01.400 A:middle L:90% time. No way. That's great. That's that's 551 00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:08.349 A:middle L:90% important. Yeah. Yeah. So bye. The 552 00:47:08.349 --> 00:47:13.300 A:middle L:90% interesting thing to me is going to be that, 553 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:17.500 A:middle L:90% okay, this is back in their old church building 554 00:47:21.380 --> 00:47:23.440 A:middle L:90% and it's not quite as big as the one in 555 00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:25.409 A:middle L:90% the main sanctuary, but the one of the main 556 00:47:25.409 --> 00:47:30.530 A:middle L:90% sanctuary is all behind with swell shades or the whole 557 00:47:30.530 --> 00:47:32.710 A:middle L:90% thing to make it louder and softer. Well, 558 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.119 A:middle L:90% most organs aren't built that way. The Lord Bagnall 559 00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:39.380 A:middle L:90% is just the pipes coming right at you and the 560 00:47:39.380 --> 00:47:43.360 A:middle L:90% upper manu is the so called swell organ with the 561 00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.469 A:middle L:90% shades. Then there's the pedal stuff. So as 562 00:47:46.469 --> 00:47:51.360 A:middle L:90% I've built it, that's the way it is with 563 00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:54.019 A:middle L:90% these nice Shiny Tin pipes in front of the lower 564 00:47:54.019 --> 00:47:58.099 A:middle L:90% manual stuff. I've built five Winchester for this thing 565 00:48:00.070 --> 00:48:07.179 A:middle L:90% . So totally and visually it is very different from 566 00:48:07.179 --> 00:48:12.280 A:middle L:90% what they've got and use every sunday. So when 567 00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:14.679 A:middle L:90% I get this thing all wired up and start to 568 00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.400 A:middle L:90% play what's going to be a reaction of the average 569 00:48:19.070 --> 00:48:22.489 A:middle L:90% joe. It doesn't know a damn thing about organs 570 00:48:22.969 --> 00:48:27.400 A:middle L:90% , but you can see the difference and I would 571 00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:30.269 A:middle L:90% think here's some difference. What's the comment going to 572 00:48:30.269 --> 00:48:37.059 A:middle L:90% be? It depends how set in their ways they 573 00:48:37.059 --> 00:48:45.039 A:middle L:90% are. Sounds different. Yeah. Anyway, we'll 574 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:54.360 A:middle L:90% see and they talk about uh well in building these 575 00:48:54.360 --> 00:49:00.900 A:middle L:90% days where you can use reusable stuff, recycle stuff 576 00:49:00.570 --> 00:49:08.389 A:middle L:90% , you get a good lead. There are only 577 00:49:09.869 --> 00:49:15.150 A:middle L:90% 22 pipes in that organ of the brand new because 578 00:49:15.150 --> 00:49:20.840 A:middle L:90% I made him which I had to do because well 579 00:49:20.849 --> 00:49:23.800 A:middle L:90% this one set of pipes that I got that originally 580 00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:27.110 A:middle L:90% were in Bruton Parish Church, Rutenberg, believe it 581 00:49:27.110 --> 00:49:30.190 A:middle L:90% or not. Uh huh wasn't a complete set and 582 00:49:30.190 --> 00:49:35.679 A:middle L:90% I had to build the bottom end to get make 583 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:37.789 A:middle L:90% it complete. And then I picked up some other 584 00:49:37.789 --> 00:49:40.940 A:middle L:90% old pipes one time and I they were in a 585 00:49:40.940 --> 00:49:45.960 A:middle L:90% barn I miss getting to. And I discovered so 586 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:50.590 A:middle L:90% I had to build a C sharp in an F 587 00:49:51.469 --> 00:49:54.860 A:middle L:90% . Uh and compared to what the others. Yeah 588 00:49:54.860 --> 00:50:01.690 A:middle L:90% , they look a little newer but when you hear 589 00:50:02.059 --> 00:50:05.559 A:middle L:90% You can't tell the difference between the two. Come 590 00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:10.190 A:middle L:90% on. Uh but all the rest came out of 591 00:50:10.659 --> 00:50:15.989 A:middle L:90% other organs, including those big pipes which used to 592 00:50:15.989 --> 00:50:22.090 A:middle L:90% be in first Methodist church Gainesville florida and the church 593 00:50:22.090 --> 00:50:25.610 A:middle L:90% organist wanted some rather smaller scale than those big so 594 00:50:25.610 --> 00:50:28.230 A:middle L:90% what did he do? They threw these out on 595 00:50:28.230 --> 00:50:31.889 A:middle L:90% the back, that's a hell lot of zinc, 596 00:50:34.059 --> 00:50:36.949 A:middle L:90% come on, I've gathered them up and cap them 597 00:50:36.949 --> 00:50:40.289 A:middle L:90% off which made him speak an octave lower and I 598 00:50:40.289 --> 00:50:44.909 A:middle L:90% built the Winchester play them. That's one octave there 599 00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:46.809 A:middle L:90% . I've got I've got the next 20 to make 600 00:50:46.820 --> 00:50:52.739 A:middle L:90% 32 were the federal. But anyway It cost me 601 00:50:52.739 --> 00:50:58.349 A:middle L:90% about$300 to do that. I could buy that 602 00:50:58.349 --> 00:51:00.730 A:middle L:90% stuff brand new from an organ supply house For about 603 00:51:00.730 --> 00:51:06.369 A:middle L:90% $3,000. Come on. Uh huh. Uh huh 604 00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:14.099 A:middle L:90% . Mhm. Just Yeah. Well I I I 605 00:51:14.099 --> 00:51:17.670 A:middle L:90% always buy waste from Maine and I'm I've got yankee 606 00:51:17.780 --> 00:51:22.309 A:middle L:90% yankee yankee spirit. Why would you buy something new 607 00:51:22.340 --> 00:51:24.599 A:middle L:90% ? Yeah. Well it's not gonna be as good 608 00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:30.320 A:middle L:90% anyway. Yeah, I mean oh you're from Maine 609 00:51:30.510 --> 00:51:31.579 A:middle L:90% . I'm from west Virginia. My wife's from me 610 00:51:32.260 --> 00:51:37.769 A:middle L:90% . Oh okay. Well you didn't ask me where 611 00:51:37.769 --> 00:51:45.190 A:middle L:90% I was born in massachusetts. Okay. My mother 612 00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:50.619 A:middle L:90% yankee from way back and I do mean right down 613 00:51:50.619 --> 00:51:52.570 A:middle L:90% the line, right through the Mayflower, my waist 614 00:51:52.570 --> 00:51:55.539 A:middle L:90% family too. Yeah. And so when it comes 615 00:51:55.539 --> 00:52:05.559 A:middle L:90% to genealogy, no problem. It's the other side 616 00:52:06.849 --> 00:52:07.960 A:middle L:90% . Mhm. Drives me up the wall trying to 617 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:14.269 A:middle L:90% figure out it's amusing thing to me is that my 618 00:52:14.269 --> 00:52:20.210 A:middle L:90% grandfather which I mentioned from new york city, he 619 00:52:20.210 --> 00:52:24.590 A:middle L:90% married Rather late, he was 41 and somehow or 620 00:52:24.590 --> 00:52:32.380 A:middle L:90% another he met this girl from philadelphia. My father 621 00:52:32.750 --> 00:52:38.679 A:middle L:90% grandfather was son of a Quaker and a methodist mother 622 00:52:42.250 --> 00:52:45.730 A:middle L:90% . And who did he marry? The daughter of 623 00:52:45.730 --> 00:52:54.179 A:middle L:90% an irish roman catholic In 1893? Well if you 624 00:52:54.179 --> 00:53:00.059 A:middle L:90% were catholic you just didn't do that. Yeah. 625 00:53:01.949 --> 00:53:09.980 A:middle L:90% Uh So uh Yeah. Well I never knew her 626 00:53:09.980 --> 00:53:14.030 A:middle L:90% because she died before I was born. My father 627 00:53:14.030 --> 00:53:22.269 A:middle L:90% would talk about her obviously but I heard her obituary 628 00:53:22.250 --> 00:53:28.170 A:middle L:90% , she She died in 1916. It was 54 629 00:53:28.179 --> 00:53:32.079 A:middle L:90% times. Uh huh. Her siblings saw to it 630 00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:37.480 A:middle L:90% . She was buried in the catholic cemetery in True 631 00:53:39.250 --> 00:53:43.199 A:middle L:90% but if I try to get anything about records from 632 00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.159 A:middle L:90% the diocese of levy, forget it. She's not 633 00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:49.679 A:middle L:90% there when I'm trying to chase history back you know 634 00:53:51.550 --> 00:53:58.170 A:middle L:90% ? Yeah yeah I'm telling you. But yeah I 635 00:53:58.170 --> 00:54:00.929 A:middle L:90% went well I had, the obituary said she was 636 00:54:00.929 --> 00:54:07.789 A:middle L:90% buried in Old Cathedral Cemetery. Oh well the old 637 00:54:07.789 --> 00:54:13.260 A:middle L:90% cathedral Is about five blocks south of Independence Hall. 638 00:54:14.340 --> 00:54:17.019 A:middle L:90% So I go there and of course this is bit 639 00:54:17.019 --> 00:54:21.170 A:middle L:90% of a graveyard outside. I go in directory as 640 00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:27.349 A:middle L:90% I know where my grandmother is. Look but she's 641 00:54:27.349 --> 00:54:30.260 A:middle L:90% not here. I said oh which sits over here 642 00:54:30.139 --> 00:54:31.909 A:middle L:90% . Oh well you know we ran out of space 643 00:54:31.909 --> 00:54:40.059 A:middle L:90% here so we started this old this new one on 644 00:54:40.059 --> 00:54:43.360 A:middle L:90% the edge of town and it's called old catholic. 645 00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:46.280 A:middle L:90% Oh cathedral cemeteries what it's called. I bet if 646 00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:49.829 A:middle L:90% you go there you find her we're going the door 647 00:54:49.829 --> 00:54:52.030 A:middle L:90% and I mentioned the name. Oh yeah she's buried 648 00:54:52.030 --> 00:54:53.260 A:middle L:90% over a new corner plot. I said no where 649 00:54:54.030 --> 00:54:57.139 A:middle L:90% ? I had never heard the name. O Connor 650 00:54:57.150 --> 00:55:01.929 A:middle L:90% but her mother was an O Connor. Uh In 651 00:55:01.929 --> 00:55:07.550 A:middle L:90% fact she's buried right. Makes my grandmother. Yeah 652 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:15.210 A:middle L:90% . And so you Yeah. G anyway, so 653 00:55:15.210 --> 00:55:20.630 A:middle L:90% what happened was you see Uh huh. I'm sure 654 00:55:20.630 --> 00:55:22.809 A:middle L:90% my grandmother went to new york city. Met my 655 00:55:22.820 --> 00:55:29.739 A:middle L:90% grandfather here were these two people beyond the normal age 656 00:55:29.739 --> 00:55:31.670 A:middle L:90% you get married decided they were going to do it 657 00:55:34.539 --> 00:55:37.159 A:middle L:90% . But from the religious standpoint, what do you 658 00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:39.260 A:middle L:90% do about it? I know what they did. 659 00:55:39.820 --> 00:55:43.340 A:middle L:90% They hopped on the ferry, went across the Hudson 660 00:55:43.340 --> 00:55:49.269 A:middle L:90% River to Jersey City and he went to Saint. 661 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:53.550 A:middle L:90% Which one was it? Anyway, visible church whole 662 00:55:54.340 --> 00:55:57.150 A:middle L:90% . So I write the church and say, hey 663 00:55:57.150 --> 00:56:00.059 A:middle L:90% what's on your record there? Because I have this 664 00:56:00.059 --> 00:56:02.460 A:middle L:90% certificate signed by the rector that he married him. 665 00:56:02.829 --> 00:56:09.230 A:middle L:90% Yeah, March 18 93. And I did get 666 00:56:09.230 --> 00:56:14.849 A:middle L:90% a postcard to put because I didn't no my grandmother 667 00:56:15.929 --> 00:56:19.889 A:middle L:90% , mothers fathers name because she died right after she 668 00:56:19.889 --> 00:56:22.960 A:middle L:90% was born. I figured that out. But anyway 669 00:56:24.329 --> 00:56:29.329 A:middle L:90% , uh his card was a little slow in coming 670 00:56:29.329 --> 00:56:31.760 A:middle L:90% back then when it finally came back. Oh well 671 00:56:31.780 --> 00:56:36.039 A:middle L:90% we're closing the church down and I'm assembling the records 672 00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:40.000 A:middle L:90% to something. The diocese officer in Newark. But 673 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:45.420 A:middle L:90% it says Wear Jeans 2041 whose parents are so and 674 00:56:45.420 --> 00:56:49.510 A:middle L:90% so and so. Well that's all right mary ann 675 00:56:49.510 --> 00:56:54.460 A:middle L:90% Connolly aged 31. Well that's a lie. She 676 00:56:54.460 --> 00:57:00.340 A:middle L:90% was 33. That unknown bags. Michael O Connor 677 00:57:00.230 --> 00:57:10.789 A:middle L:90% and Elizabeth Oh counter mhm. But Michael Conley. 678 00:57:10.789 --> 00:57:15.960 A:middle L:90% His father. And so I Okay, great. 679 00:57:16.429 --> 00:57:22.889 A:middle L:90% But when I look in the 1860s census for a 680 00:57:22.889 --> 00:57:28.960 A:middle L:90% Michael and Elizabeth Conley with infant daughter, which I 681 00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.980 A:middle L:90% showed her since she was born in february. Uh 682 00:57:31.980 --> 00:57:37.590 A:middle L:90% huh. Not there. So what the hell is 683 00:57:37.590 --> 00:57:45.840 A:middle L:90% going on? Well here next year I get this 684 00:57:46.730 --> 00:57:52.599 A:middle L:90% communication from some gal in massachusetts whose related to the 685 00:57:52.730 --> 00:57:58.019 A:middle L:90% same crowd. But it turned out she said I've 686 00:57:58.019 --> 00:58:04.610 A:middle L:90% got your grandmother's birth certificate as uh oh how about 687 00:58:04.780 --> 00:58:10.750 A:middle L:90% send me a copy what she did, Father john 688 00:58:12.820 --> 00:58:20.699 A:middle L:90% not Michael. So I need to get back to 689 00:58:20.710 --> 00:58:29.469 A:middle L:90% 1860. Anyway, my conclusion has to be that 690 00:58:29.469 --> 00:58:32.460 A:middle L:90% since she never knew her father and this director, 691 00:58:32.460 --> 00:58:37.050 A:middle L:90% I had to have a father's name. She had 692 00:58:37.050 --> 00:58:39.039 A:middle L:90% an uncle by the name of Michael. I know 693 00:58:39.820 --> 00:58:43.099 A:middle L:90% . So she just pulled up Michael. This might 694 00:58:43.099 --> 00:58:45.469 A:middle L:90% the fact that it's not correct. It's like the 695 00:58:45.469 --> 00:58:49.429 A:middle L:90% old story with all this stuff. If you can't 696 00:58:49.429 --> 00:58:52.710 A:middle L:90% get to things that degree, you don't know whether 697 00:58:52.710 --> 00:58:58.329 A:middle L:90% one does or not. Come on. O G 698 00:58:58.340 --> 00:59:00.519 A:middle L:90% . Yeah. Yeah. I tried going through the 699 00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:05.199 A:middle L:90% Ellis Island stuff where the names are like they just 700 00:59:05.210 --> 00:59:07.570 A:middle L:90% , they just randomly gave you a name or change 701 00:59:07.570 --> 00:59:12.030 A:middle L:90% the name or. Yeah. Well, yeah. 702 00:59:13.619 --> 00:59:20.730 A:middle L:90% Well of course the Quakers keep very good records and 703 00:59:20.730 --> 00:59:27.860 A:middle L:90% I'm hoping to plug some holes because the family bible 704 00:59:27.860 --> 00:59:30.139 A:middle L:90% that had a lot of information in it got burned 705 00:59:30.139 --> 00:59:35.590 A:middle L:90% in new york city Burnett to Fire one of the 706 00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:39.119 A:middle L:90% places they lived. And so I know what my 707 00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:45.130 A:middle L:90% grandfather says about. We are related to. There 708 00:59:45.130 --> 00:59:52.039 A:middle L:90% were 12 commissioners James at first I think it was 709 00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:55.300 A:middle L:90% , yeah, a lot a bunch of Quakers to 710 00:59:55.300 --> 00:59:58.739 A:middle L:90% come to Burlington, New Jersey and set up that 711 01:00:00.309 --> 01:00:05.929 A:middle L:90% place in 1677. Unbelievable. Anyway and there was 712 01:00:05.929 --> 01:00:08.460 A:middle L:90% a john Kinzie didn't spell it the same way I 713 01:00:08.460 --> 01:00:17.760 A:middle L:90% do. But anyway, okay and in philadelphia there 714 01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:27.619 A:middle L:90% was a john who was in their legislature rubbing elbows 715 01:00:27.619 --> 01:00:30.030 A:middle L:90% with Ben franklin, all those good crowd. You 716 01:00:31.510 --> 01:00:37.829 A:middle L:90% who in this fella died in 1750. He was 717 01:00:37.829 --> 01:00:44.449 A:middle L:90% Supreme Court Justice for the province of Pennsylvania. He 718 01:00:44.449 --> 01:00:52.219 A:middle L:90% was also a big shot in quicker affairs. Yeah 719 01:00:52.010 --> 01:00:58.639 A:middle L:90% . And their early meetings alternated between philadelphia and Burlington 720 01:01:00.210 --> 01:01:04.789 A:middle L:90% . And all that records there. Well, this 721 01:01:04.789 --> 01:01:13.519 A:middle L:90% john had a son, john and James, But 722 01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:16.099 A:middle L:90% John died when he was 18 because he decided you're 723 01:01:16.099 --> 01:01:17.869 A:middle L:90% going hunting, you know? And so they went 724 01:01:17.869 --> 01:01:24.190 A:middle L:90% over there across this google river and apparently gun dropped 725 01:01:24.190 --> 01:01:27.829 A:middle L:90% or something and then discharged and did him in. 726 01:01:29.710 --> 01:01:37.119 A:middle L:90% So elected by the brother john who was a member 727 01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:42.860 A:middle L:90% of the 1st Continental Congress. Well quicker, you 728 01:01:42.860 --> 01:01:45.889 A:middle L:90% know, come on, you talk about war quicker 729 01:01:45.889 --> 01:01:50.409 A:middle L:90% soon. So he didn't go to the second Congress 730 01:01:50.420 --> 01:01:54.079 A:middle L:90% . But anyway, uh when Jersey, when the 731 01:01:54.090 --> 01:02:00.260 A:middle L:90% revolution was over in New Jersey, he was the 732 01:02:00.260 --> 01:02:02.929 A:middle L:90% first chief justice of the Supreme Court, New Jersey 733 01:02:05.179 --> 01:02:07.110 A:middle L:90% , I cannot get from him to the crowd that 734 01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:13.510 A:middle L:90% went to New york city in 13. Uh huh 735 01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:22.429 A:middle L:90% , 18 39. Well uh I know where the 736 01:02:23.099 --> 01:02:29.690 A:middle L:90% records are for the new york society of friends way 737 01:02:29.690 --> 01:02:34.949 A:middle L:90% back then in its former college and pennsylvania. Because 738 01:02:34.949 --> 01:02:37.230 A:middle L:90% if I can get that, maybe a blue work 739 01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:43.010 A:middle L:90% backwards and society quite a mystery. Yeah. But 740 01:02:43.019 --> 01:02:49.519 A:middle L:90% anyway, but New England. No problem. And 741 01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:54.719 A:middle L:90% Yeah. Well it so happens. I'm related. 742 01:02:54.730 --> 01:03:00.380 A:middle L:90% That's what I consulted in during all my teaching in 743 01:03:00.380 --> 01:03:05.730 A:middle L:90% florida. So it's like when students asked me, 744 01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.030 A:middle L:90% oh we go, which job should I take it 745 01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:14.590 A:middle L:90% ? Just take one. You'll never know uh what 746 01:03:14.590 --> 01:03:15.539 A:middle L:90% you're good at and what you really want to do 747 01:03:15.539 --> 01:03:19.360 A:middle L:90% until you get out there and dry it. And 748 01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:21.460 A:middle L:90% if you'd asked me when I had two degrees behind 749 01:03:21.460 --> 01:03:23.159 A:middle L:90% my name to predict what I'd be doing, there'll 750 01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:27.869 A:middle L:90% be no relation between it and what. Yeah, 751 01:03:28.699 --> 01:03:31.630 A:middle L:90% yeah, that's for sure. Yeah. I was 752 01:03:31.630 --> 01:03:37.409 A:middle L:90% in this uh subject that I wasn't talking one word 753 01:03:37.409 --> 01:03:40.820 A:middle L:90% about, but I'm gonna remember the user side of 754 01:03:40.820 --> 01:03:44.860 A:middle L:90% member of America. In fact, I'm a fellow 755 01:03:44.860 --> 01:03:45.929 A:middle L:90% in it and you don't get that from doing nothing 756 01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:52.090 A:middle L:90% . Yeah. Come on. You know, I 757 01:03:52.090 --> 01:03:57.599 A:middle L:90% don't think I'm getting anything now. You're uh here 758 01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:01.150 A:middle L:90% mike. Mm. Check this. Never hopes. 759 01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:06.110 A:middle L:90% See. Oh, sorry, sorry. There you 760 01:04:06.110 --> 01:04:08.610 A:middle L:90% go. Me. I still