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Okay. Uh but we're working now on on the

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concept of distressed cities and this really comes about the

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the fact that fellows program that we have in the

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School of Public policy and International Affairs, as you

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know, as part of the College of Architecture.

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And so we're involved in this project on distressed cities

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and we're looking at uh huh places like Chattanooga Tennessee

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, if you look back several years ago, it

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was considered to be one of the dirtiest cities.

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And mm today, it's considered to be one of

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the leading cities, small cities in the country and

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they're at the present time, leading an effort to

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put in a high quality fibre optic system that would

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provide one gigabyte connectivity to homes, the businesses and

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it's called a smart city. Mhm. And that's

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, I think what we're trying to do here in

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this region, were working too with the city of

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roanoke and leadership in the city of roanoke and with

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New river valley to see how we truly build a

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vibrant system that connects to homes, businesses and positions

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us for um economic development. But I think more

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importantly, and perhaps how this ties in with the

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school, public policy and international affairs and the urban

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affairs part of that is how do you feel communities

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, how do you strengthen communities? How do you

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open up communities for participation in our democratic process and

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why you can today look and follow public hearings and

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things on tv? How do you build the connectivity

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so that I can set in my home and take

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the agenda and share way before the meeting starts input

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into that agenda. And even during the meeting,

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have an open session where people can, so how

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do you open up the system? I see that's

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very much part of of how a school that's focused

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on urban design, urban planning, community building,

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economic growth and development of communities and all that's part

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of this College of Architecture and I think fits very

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nicely. So when being Burchard and charlie steiger and

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others who have been leaders of that college, I

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think they were wise and seeing the link between traditional

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architectural programs and the link with urban affairs and now

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, even with public policy and most certainly with the

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public policy related to international affairs as well, that

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fits in very nicely too. I think, positioning

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the college in position to school to be part of

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a university that's striving to be recognized as an international

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university and I think we're getting there very quickly.

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So you think going forward, there's more of that

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with the art is more of a movement with the

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architecture program towards more of those urban questions. I

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would hope there would be, I'm not certain because

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I'm not directly involved with Jack and those kind of

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discussions, but I would most certainly hope there would

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be the opportunity for that. And I think it's

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obvious with the program we have in reverse and metallic

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and the longstanding history, we've had a program being

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extended to europe, the uh the offices in Switzerland

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, we've been creating this international, suppose er,

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for our school students of architecture, but what I

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like is school architecture is also reached out and involved

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other colleges within the university in that program. So

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the College of Architecture and Design has really expanded that

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. We're now today, business students and students and

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human resources and liberal arts are actively involved, and

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I think that's showing a leadership role in the part

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of the college as well to help bring that about

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. I know charlie steiger, it was very,

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very um involved in helping to create that presence,

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and I'm glad I could play a little piece in

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that decision. But, you know, the other

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major thing that were involved in it, I think

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, um is helping to position the university is this

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Center for the Arts. And what I'm very pleased

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is that the architecture program, not only again,

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is focused on architecture and urban affairs, but also

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has the School of Visual Arts and Design. And

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they are, and as we build this program,

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they've been very center for the Arts, have been

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very instrumental in helping us think that do and we

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will have two principal galleries in that center and we've

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done it in a fashion that we're not competing with

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the thomas Museum. And grown up, we're trying

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to work out how to build the collaboration, and

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the head of the School of Visual Arts and Design

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is it's working to help build that relationship. So

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the college is much broader than just thinking about it

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from the standpoint of architecture, and I'm very pleased

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with that. Yeah, I mean, I think

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for for students in that program and now that art

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is part of architecture again, um, just to

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have access to a facility like that, you know

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, exhibits and concerts and things that will come in

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, it is really a wonderful thing. It's again

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, it's helping to build communities. I mean,

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many of these facilities, the whole focus is how

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do you bring communities together? How do you,

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how do you enrich the life's of individuals through culture

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and how do you build in communities around those?

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And I see what we're striving to do through the

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Center for the Arts? Would be very much that

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the Center for the Arts, the theme behind it

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is how do we increase the presence and the practice

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of the arts on campus for the benefit of all

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students, not just students majoring in the arts,

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but all students, and use it as a means

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to bring to this campus international experiences that many,

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many of our students would never have the opportunity to

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experience because they will not have the opportunity to be

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involved in study abroad programs. But we can bring

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to this campus through the Center for the Arts,

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an international presence for those students and international experience.

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And that becomes, in terms of, as we

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think long term, having the kind of the right

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kind of communication links to the world is very important

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. That's where this effort we're thinking about in terms

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of building the network within the local region, to

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the national network and then to the international network with

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the fiber optic system that really, I think all

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that fits in very nicely to the long term planning

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. And we'll get the arts out of Blacksburg.

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But they're coming from Blacksburg about this and also how

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we bring arts into Blacksburg through that uh means of

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having the communication system in place. And I love

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it too, because there's such a there's such an

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interesting um it's Virginia tech people. So like the

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fiber optic, that's exactly what Virginia tech, right

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? But the integration with the arts uh is not

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something I mean, I I encounter that when I'm

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talking to people about the architecture program outside of here

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and they're just not aware of, you know,

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especially after Bertrand came in. It seems like there

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was a move to where this became one of the

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top architecture schools, but really that creative thinking and

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that approach and it's Virginia Tech and it's not expected

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. And I just think that, well, I

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agree, I think that's that's the strength of this

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program from a lay person who looks at the program

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is it is a program that really has a vision

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, it's looking forward and it's creative and innovative and

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what it's doing. And I think that's exciting to

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be part of. And I especially like this link

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between the fields of public policy and urban studies over

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designed all that being part of this because I think

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if it's in so nicely and uh in many respects

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, I see a lot of us about building communities

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and building presence throughout the world and linking and getting

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engaged and I think having the opportunity to take things

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out of the university and be involved and that becomes

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very, very important. It's a thing for me

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because I grew up in Morgantown west Virginia WV.

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You is and my dad is a professor at W

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here, you know when I was 18 he was

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just blown away. He's just like now this is

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a college campus. Yeah this is, you know

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, I think in some ways the two communities are

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similar but it's so much more successful here. The

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integration of the school with the community. And I

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think as an example for other communities, you know

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what you're talking about because you have an urban condition

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but you also have a very rural condition and you

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know what you're talking about about the fiber optic network

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trying to make that all work I think could be

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a wonderful example. You brought up west Virginia and

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but I was at a point of making a decision

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of changing career and leaving. I was at the

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University of Tennessee in Knoxville with the U. T

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. System and uh had an offer to go to

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West Virginia. And at the same time opportunity come

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and visit here. And I must say there was

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no real decision there in terms of difficulty. I

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mean it was automatically made as to where I should

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end up. And I'm very pleased we've been here

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for Almost 38 years and um but I'm excited about

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the future of the university and the whole focus we

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now have in the biomedical health sciences area. And

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what's encouraging is this within the center of the arts

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. We have an institute program that we've developed that

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is called Ichat Institute creativity Hearts and Technology. And

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it's looking at ways that art and technology can come

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together whether it's the work in in the medical field

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, whether it's the work at P. K.

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Through 12 school systems and helping to use the arts

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to bring people to a point where they are studying

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math, science, social studies, how they influence

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creative and critical thinking skills and Children how to enhance

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that. And also a major focus of it is

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to create new learning, a new learning environment on

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college campuses and in the broader community. And I'm

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pleased that's all part of this, the Center for

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the Arts and that colleges involved in that. And

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because Jack sets on the steering committee for it and

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all the policy board now and was very instrumental in

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helping to lead. So the college was helping us

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to think that the position that is a major area

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of focus with the university and the school of it

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charged with Truman. Capone. Truman was really at

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the center of helping us think about this. We

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originally called at the Center for Creative Technologies and then

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it's now left it all way up because of the

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importance of it to be an institute, one of

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the, the institutes for the university. And Truman

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played a major role in that coming out of the

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college. So I was very, I think helpful

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to us. How do you see with these new

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institution, these new programs? How do you see

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the integration with programs like, like architecture, to

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where the students are really aware of it and can

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get involved, I think, especially through the Center

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for the Arts and this Ichat, there's tremendous opportunity

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for students from across the campus to come together and

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work in a laboratory experience and that's what the II

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CAT is to be a major series of studios.

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They like to in some sense, using the same

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terminology, finding architecture, having studios for people who

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come to gather and one of them is referred to

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as so the sandbox just come in and start working

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with that and what comes out of it in terms

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of your learning experiences, creative projects that emerged from

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it, and as you know, many of these

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have designed to them and that is coming right out

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of the College of Architecture and Urban Design. So

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I think that's incredible now, just to tie it

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in with that for the sake of the project,

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um how do you, can you, can you

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make more of a like, I think just terminology

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, but also that studio model, like what do

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you see coming out of the architecture program that's that

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has been successful, that's been applied um to the

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other, other disciplines with these other ideas. But

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one of the things I and you know this better

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than I because as a student, you find that

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tremendous amount of independence that you have and always when

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I'd leave my office and various hall at 10,

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11 o'clock at night after having a long struggling day

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, I'd see the lights over in Koga hall still

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burning, students still coming and you walk across campus

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at that hour, get into your car and still

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see things going. And I think that's the same

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thing we're doing here in terms of this uh I

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CAD program is creating that environment. We have lots

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of flexibility, creativity on the part of the students

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. And I think in some sense that's kind of

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modeled after what occurs in architecture, uh independence that

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think independence to work and be guided by a factor

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member and allow you to bring out your own creativity

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with some gadgets, mentoring, assume that's the way

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we're working in architecture, right? Yeah. It's

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, I mean I think that's wonderful because one of

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the things that brought me back was, you know

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, when I got into film, I sort of

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was I had this unfortunately, or unfortunately I had

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sort of immediate little successes that kept me going or

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I would have gone back to architecture sooner. But

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what I realized was it was because I was still

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thinking like an architect. And as soon as I

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started thinking like a filmmaker, things didn't go as

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well. And I always felt like this was the

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best education and the best model for thinking about everything

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that had ever encountered. And now that I'm back

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and going through this and finishing it, I really

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think that that's right. This is not directly in

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architecture and with the students and architecture, but in

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some sense, I've used the same model. When

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I was asked to lead the effort for the Center

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for the Arts, I agreed to do that only

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because everybody referred to it as building a performing arts

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center. And my response to that was I'll be

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glad to lead the effort if we can have the

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freedom to think creatively and to come forward with not

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necessarily a center for Performing Arts center for the Arts

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as a whole that would fit into the technology focus

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of the university as well. And it would benefit

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the student body as a whole. Well, I

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couldn't do that. I have a graduate assistants all

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out of the school and out of the college and

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I went to them and said, think openly and

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creatively about how we would build and design a center

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that would fit into the fabric of this institution,

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the history and tradition ist institutions, the technology focus

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, that would have a major presence of the arts

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and what we're building today. A lot of people

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don't wanna accept this, but it's absolutely fact because

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some perceived and build on by a group of graduate

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students given the independence to work with little mentoring and

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little guidance and direction from me and from the steering

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committee coming together. But they went out into the

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research analysis and looked at things and came back with

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us while we were doing the collaborative in the arts

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, which was a good way to sort of think

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through how do you take that to another level.

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They are the ones who came up with the concept

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with the Center for Creativity. Uh, and then

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from that, we've now ended up with this Institute

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for creativity, Arts and Technology. So graduate students

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played a critical role in the conceptualizing and helping us

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to bring this about. And that's the motto,

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I think that the school of the college is known

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for is engaging that students given the freedom and independence

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, think and work and being guided, directed and

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mentored. And I like to refer to it and

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encouraged to be creatively thinking about things. Yeah.

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Great. Uhh, honestly, so distinct and,

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and perfect. I I don't really know what else

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. I hope it's helpful. Okay, extremely good

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. I'm glad we had a chance to do this

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and get you and mike anything else you want to

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add? No, I'm just