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Welcome. Um Please introduce yourself and tell us a

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little bit about where you are now. What where

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have you been? Okay, thank you so much

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. Well I'm Tom Reeves and I'm a Professor Emeritus

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of Learning Design and Technology at the University of Georgia

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, which is in Athens Georgia, home of 

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R. E. M. And the B52s

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, a lot of other great music groups. But

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even though I'm retired, I'm still very active and

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I keep office on campus and still work on special

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projects for the dean and meet with doctoral students.

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Just last Thursday I taught the doctoral seminar and so

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it's been great. I've enjoyed being quote unquote retired

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but staying very, very active, doing a lot

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of consulting primarily in the area of public health work

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with the World Health Organization. I was in Geneva

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for a week last month in Turkey for the W

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. H. O. For a couple of weeks

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in May. And so you know, enjoy that

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kind of work. Also work in medical education as

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well. Excellent. Thanks. And what was your

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primary focus of your work currently? And in the

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past? Yes, I guess I would say evaluation

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as my first love. I got my degree at

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Syracuse University in the division of instructional design, development

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and evaluation and I was in the evaluation track.

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They're finished back in 1979, a long long time

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ago and my major professor Ed Kelly, was a

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really great evaluation guru. Don L lee was on

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my committee and Phil dodi and john Keller, I

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had five courses with Dick Clark when he was there

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. Richard Clarke was now at USC so it was

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a great time to be at Syracuse, a great

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education. So evaluation was where I do a lot

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of work. I published a book on evaluation in

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2003 with John Hedberg from Australia and we're currently doing

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a second edition of that. But then research methods

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are also something very interested in. Just had a

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book come out March called conducting educational design research,

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which I wrote with Susan Mckinney from the Netherlands.

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She's with the Open University of the Netherlands and University

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of Twente and I've known her for many, many

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years. And so we're interested in that. And

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then I guess the third area would be online learning

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and have a book out that came out in two

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years ago that actually won an award here at act

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for the Book of the Year, from the ID

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and and it's about authentic online learning. And I

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wrote that also with a couple of Australians. I

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do a lot of work in Australia, spend as

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long as five months at a time down there.

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Last year, I was down there for a month

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working with the Open universities in Australia. Just it's

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kind of a second home for us. We like

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yes, you say us yes. Us being my

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wife, uh dr Tricia Reeves and she's a professor

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of social work at the University of Georgia. She

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also works in public health, though. She runs

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a dual degree program where students in three years get

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both masters of public health and a master's of social

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work. And our son has a master's degree in

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public health from the University of Georgia and he works

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in a clinic in Athens. And so that's worked

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out great. So public health kind of runs in

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the family. That I understand that you've done some

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work with, your wife published and work with.

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Absolutely. We've published a number of articles related to

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online learning, both in public health, social work

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, continuing medical education, that kind of area.

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And Tricia did her PhD at Georgia I guess back

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in 1998. And she did her research on how

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people with HIV AIDS, used the internet too,

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empower themselves with new knowledge to manage their disease.

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Uh huh. I was really pioneering work and she

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continues to work with that community as well. That's

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fine. Um Can you also describe your career path

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? Mentioned that you started out at Syracuse and everything

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? Where did you go? Yes. Well before

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I went to college I was in the army for

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a couple of years. Ah oddly enough I got

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trained as an audiovisual specialist in the army. And

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so I went to a V. School in the

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U. S. Army. I was very young

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and uh I remember one of the exit exams was

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they blindfolded us and we had to thread a 16

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millimeter projector within eight seconds or something like that.

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You know, that was actually part of the performance

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test to graduate from a B school in the army

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. So I got interested a bit uh when I

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was in the military uh and then became an elementary

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school teacher after that talk school for a couple of

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years. But then uh took a course with dr

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skip Atkinson at Georgia State University, was teaching school

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in Atlanta and that was of course in games and

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simulation design 1973. And he had just graduated from

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Syracuse University. Uh he said you ought to go

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to graduate school and I think you should go to

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Syracuse. So I ended up going to Syracuse and

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uh I got out of the army in 1971 in

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between 1971 and 1979, I got BS two Masters

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and a PhD and also worked full time through much

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of that period. So I was a man on

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a mission. Finally they said you have enough education

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, you have to get a job. So I

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went to peru for a year as a Fulbright lecturer

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. Donnie lee really encouraged me to do that because

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he had been a lot of work in South Yeah

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. And then I worked at the mountain University of

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south Carolina for a year. Then I worked in

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Heidelberg Germany for a year for the University of Maryland

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. And then I came to Georgia in 1982.

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I've been there ever since. So 30 years at

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the University of Georgia, Beautiful Athens which I saw

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just Last week. Money magazine had picked as one

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of the top 25 places in America to retire.

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So yes, we love Athens. We have a

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couple of dogs that we are like our four legged

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kids and spoil them rotten. The number of people

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tell my wife that they want to come back if

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there's reincarnation, they want to come back as our

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dogs because they get so spoiled. But we we

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love Athens and we do a lot of travel this

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year. We spent a week in Barcelona Spain,

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we spent time in the Netherlands and Austria and the

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Czech Republic and Germany. And we're getting ready to

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head to the beach for the holidays. We take

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the dogs to a southern beach every during the december

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holidays, that's right for the world, seek care

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. How would you describe your research interests and aspirations

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from when you first started your career and how they

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change over? That's a great question Miriam. I

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guess, You know, having had five classes with

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Richard Clarke is a brilliant person in our field.

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I think he's also part of this history makers series

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. Uh huh. One of the brightest guys ever

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met in my life. Uh he really taught us

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to be skeptical about technology that when people come along

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and they say this technology is going to change the

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world, that you should really be suspicious about that

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and really question, what are the educational methods that

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are going to be used and how is that technology

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can enable that? I saw, you know,

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the new ipad Mini is about to come out this

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friday. And I've already seen, I actually googled

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this uh I've already seen a story in one of

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the magazines and newspapers. It said ipad mini revolutionized

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education, literally that's the head like, okay,

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how many times have I heard this? You know

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, uh that was laser disc, we're gonna do

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that cd rom's, we're going to do that,

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the internet was gonna do that learning etcetera, etcetera

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. So I guess I a lot of my career

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has been focused on, you know, figuring out

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what is the best blend of objectives, content,

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instructional design, very, very important, the role

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of the teacher, the role of the student,

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the role of the technology and the role of assessment

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, all of those things have to be carefully aligned

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. So I think a lot of my work through

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the years has had that theme of looking for that

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alignment. What's the most appropriate alignment? How do

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you evaluate that? How do you conduct research on

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that topic? And I think design based research or

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educational design research is really powerful in that kind of

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way, so really tying together those integral parts of

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any learning environment uh and the technology is important,

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but it's certainly not the solution. So I think

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I'm somewhat of a technology skeptic and that's a theme

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that's rolling through. I'm also an enthusiast, Don't

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get me wrong about that. But also, you

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know, I never have those road rose colored glasses

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on that people when they say, oh, I've

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had many, it's gonna change everything, We'll just

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wait a minute. Let's see. You know,

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uh education is pretty resilient to change. That's why

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again, I don't want to repeat myself too much

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. But design based research is really a powerful approach

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because it the first and foremost begins with real world

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problems. And you do your research hand in hand

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with practitioners. So if their teachers, you're working

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very closely with teachers, they're they're co investigators.

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Uh and then you bring in the best possible theory

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and design principles and you create a prototype solution to

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a problem and then you test that through iterative cycles

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of refinement and then the major outcomes of design based

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research or I like to call educational design research are

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a robust innovation and design principles, new theoretical knowledge

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that can be applied to future innovations and also in

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the process. A lot of professional development is accomplished

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working hand in hand with practitioners. So I think

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it's a win win win proposition. Yeah. Innovation

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design principles and professional development all tied into one beautiful

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package. So people that are have your innovation then

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you have the researchers are benefiting is what you're saying

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as well as the practitioners are benefiting. Yes,

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absolutely. So yeah, in fact one of my

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students, oh who was an intern here at the

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conference a couple years ago, she did her dissertation

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using design based research methods. Her focus was on

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enhancing group work in the context of online learning.

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And we designed innovative online course, ran it for

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a number of semesters and eight semester systematically improved it

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because group work built around authentic activity students. It

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was an evaluation course and students actually had to playing

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conducted report an evaluation for real client group work was

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integral to the design of the course. And through

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her research, figured out better and better ways of

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supporting group work and nurturing students so they would be

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effective, collaborate. That's next. Right. Well

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major trends, important trends that you feel like you've

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seen in the field during your career? Uh Miriam

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because I've been in this field for so long,

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excited about today, I really think there are two

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major goals that educational technologies serve, one being opening

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up access to learning opportunities to people who wouldn't otherwise

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have, and I think that our field has contributed

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a lot to that. And so more and more

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people are getting opportunities for higher education through online learning

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. Uh In K 12 education students in remote areas

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are getting access two courses that they wouldn't otherwise have

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. Michael Barber was one of my PhD students,

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there unfortunately, I think we're still not making the

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so many people that are going into online learning today

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online format of the blended format, rather than really

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do things in a more effective way. So the

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instructional design is not always uh has not always been

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employed sufficiently to really redesign the learning environment, such

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a way that to be more effective. So I

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that area. So we're spreading opportunity, for example

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, moocs the hot topic of the day and these

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massive online open courses. I've actually been a guest

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lecturer and two of those so far, both of

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january. That's open offered by the Open University of

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the UK. It's a 10 week book on learning

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design and they've already got almost 1000 people signed up

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for that and the people who actually enroll in it

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for credit will actually design a learning, a reusable

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learning resource in that 10 week course. And uh

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I think I'm the only american uh involved in this

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particular book, but I think moocs are in an

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important development. The jury's still out on whether it's

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just a passing fad or something that will transform education

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like stanford and M. I. T. And

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things involved. So be interesting to see how all

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that goes. But that affords people opportunities to learn

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that they wouldn't otherwise have and at the right price

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so far it's free but also very interested in work

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Fulbright, I've done work in a number of other

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countries and really think that online learning and educational technology

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, the things that act is really on the cutting

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edge with that those will provide unparalleled learning opportunities for

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people in those countries excited about that. Well,

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since you bring up moves, what do you think

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of what some call a theory of connective is um

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in general? And what do you think about that

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a guest lecturer and they came out of uh Canada

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were uh developed by George stevens and some other folks

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, uh Stephen Downes and you know, the Gospel

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according to connective is um I think it's a really

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wonderful philosophy and development. I don't think it's taken

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off as much as it should. I hope it

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will take off even more. I believe in sharing

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. I remember early on when um hyper card was

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big news, you know, I got involved in

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developing a lot of hyper card stacks and uh we

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just give those away and I think and and then

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when uh the internet got developed and we started,

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you know, putting things online, the articles that

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that I've written that have had the most impact,

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have been articles that are freely available that anybody can

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access, not in some refereed journal that you have

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to have special permission to get to. Ah so

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I really think that, you know, connective is

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um and providing opportunities where people sort of develop their

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own learning world uh is really really the future.

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So I'm excited about that. Uh I just had

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lunch before this interview with steve Harmon, who's the

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president, incoming president elect of and we were talking

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about these types of things as well, and I

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know that he's very interested in that and I suspect

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that in next year's conference in Anaheim that we a

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lot of talk about books and collectivism and those types

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of topics that I'm glad to hear you say that

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, okay, who are some of the people that

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you have had the most on your career and your

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your direction? You mentioned Donny Lee. Yeah.

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Yeah, well I I'd have to go all the

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way back to sister uh Rita Alberta, my eighth

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grade uh teacher, I was in a little tiny

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school. There were only 12 kids in my eighth

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grade class. But she was a really good teacher

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. She told us that it was important to be

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educated to develop what she called a good crap detector

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. Now this was unusual for a nun to say

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crap detector, but that's the word she is.

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crap And your goal in life is to be in

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the 10%. That is not crap. And I

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think she had a big influence on me because I

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became an evaluator. So that certainly was an influence

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. Uh, then skip Atkinson and my undergraduate,

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uh, in my uh, first Master's degree was

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very influential. Donnie lee, what a role model

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he was for so many decades. So many students

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. Just a fantastic. And then my advisor was

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kelly and Phil dodi and john Keller and folks like

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that, I mentioned, Richard Clarke a big influence

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on me. I just wrote a review of his

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new book this year, came out a second edition

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of book about media and Learning Learning with Media.

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early next year. So I fully expect to hear

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from Dick about my review. I was a very

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positive review, but he'll definitely have some words for

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me about it, I'm sure. But uh he

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influenced me quite a lot. I was in school

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with Bernie Dodge and john Hedberg and carol carrier.

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think of my contemporaries, probably David johnson had a

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lot of influence on me, brilliant guy. And

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he and I got to publish together starting in the

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mid 90's and I'm actually co editing a special issue

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of computers and education journal. Lot of uh devoted

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to his work. And that will be coming out

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early next year. And my wife and I have

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written a chapter in a new book that my expect

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. Er and Barbara Laki and others are editing uh

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and they're about medical simulations and learning heavily influenced by

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David's thinking. So certainly David and then I I'd

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be remiss if I didn't mention Kent Gustafson, he

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was my first department chair at Georgia. Uh He

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was president of A. C. T. Uh

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phenomenal guy. Wonderful leader, wonderful department chair built

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our doctoral program from the ground up. Uh I

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have to mention him as a very influential person.

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have been very influential and a great relationships with Georgia

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particularly mentioned Virginia Tech. Uh The folks at Virginia

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Tech have been wonderful. And over the years our

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faculty and students have gone up to Blacksburg and their

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faculty and students have come down to Athens and we

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had this ongoing exchange. In fact, we're having

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another one in february 2013. Our students and faculty

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will be going up to Blacksburg and there'll be a

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two day conference and just a phenomenal. But some

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of the folks there like john Burton and Michael moore

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and, and uh, Barbara Loki. And so

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I'm suddenly having a senior moment not remembering all the

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names Cathy and, and everyone, it's a fantastic

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program. And that relationship has been very important to

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our program and hope that that will continue for a

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long time to come and thanks. Um, what

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do you consider your greatest accomplishment of your career and

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why? Well, I guess, uh, my

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son would be Jamie would be a great accomplishment,

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and then my marriage with my wife, Tricia would

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be a great accomplishment. So those sort of way

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up there. But as far as the field of

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educational technology is concerned, I think maybe I really

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, you know, this series is called History makers

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. I'm not sure I've made any history, although

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I used to be a history teacher when I was

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. But I think really emphasizing the importance of evaluation

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is something I've pushed for a long time. I

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taught an evaluation course at Syracuse for 20 years,

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over 20 years. And so the students that uh

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took that course, I think really developed some evaluation

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skills and sometimes, you know, the E and

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the anti model gets dropped off and forgotten about and

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compromised. And so I've really tried to push that

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uh to the forefront. Also, research research is

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really important to me, but not research as so

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much has been done in our field. This is

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like the kind of research that Dick Karp has been

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very critical of the media comparison research. It continues

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to this day and it just drives him nuts and

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it drives me nuts. But I feel like educational

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design research is very, very important new direction actually

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. Susan and I have an article coming out an

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educational researcher early next year about this as well.

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And in that artwork basically saying that I don't uh

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educational design based research, educational design research has been

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around now for about 25 years and some people are

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willing to our I think wanting to say well it's

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not paying off, the jury's still out on that

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, I think it hasn't been applied enough and there's

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still a lot of work to be done and I

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think it is a positive direction. So that's the

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argument. We try to make it article there.

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So I guess emphasizing evaluation and research to contributions that

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I'd like to think that had somewhat of an influence

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on Yes, you have, you have. And

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how would you then want to be remembered within the

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profession? Old guys? How would I want to

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remember, be remembered? That's interesting. Uh Well

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, I want to be remembered by my PhD students

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. I finished more than 30, I think 32

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students in my 30 years at Georgia's about one a

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year. And I'd like to think that their legacy

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will be carried on for many years. And for

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example, Steve Harmon is the president elect. He

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was my ph uh doctoral student, Georgia, I

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think he graduated in 1993. And I, so

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I'd like to see that, that, you know

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, being a teacher, it's an old analogy,

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but the analogy where you throw a pebble into the

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pond and the ripples go out. And I really

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believe that I'd like to remember first and foremost as

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a teacher, I love my students and still maintain

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very close relationships with him. I'm going out to

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another conference next week and in Denver colorado and uh

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, I was planning to see my very first doctoral

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student out there. But it turns out she's going

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to be overseas. So I won't get to see

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her, but I stay in touch with the vast

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majority of my former doctoral students and a lot of

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my master students as well. So being remembered as

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a teacher would be the most important thing for me

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. I think that's a notable legacy in itself that

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you keep in contact. It continued to let you

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know when they have successes and things. Yeah,

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when I retired two years ago, two of my

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colleagues, uh Jeanette Hill, and X and K

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organized a two day conference on educational design research.

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And we had a keynote speaker come from Australia.

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Another one comes from the Netherlands. And we have

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people come from all over, we have people coming

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down from Canada from uh Asia, from europe,

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from South Africa, all over the States. And

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it was such a great event. And uh,

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you know, in my students played a big role

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in organizing that event. And so that was just

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a wonderful experience. You know, I like to

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think of the instructional, well what's called instructional technology

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now, It's called Learning Design and Technology Program at

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the University of Georgia being one that has Uh,

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it was started in 1985. And I think I

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think of it as one of the top five programs

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in the country. And uh I hope it will

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continue for a long time. We've got a great

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faculty, great doctoral students, Great Master students.

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And so I hope will be around for a long

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time. My own research confirmed that in 2000 for

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my dissertation research because it did practitioner survey, you

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came up as one of the top three. Okay

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, great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank

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you so very much. Thank you mary. I

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really appreciate it. Thank you very much.