WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:15.320 A:middle L:90% to introduce our closing speaker, Adam Farquhar. 2 00:00:16.339 --> 00:00:19.370 A:middle L:90% Adam is the head of digital scholarship at the 3 00:00:19.379 --> 00:00:24.839 A:middle L:90% British Library and has done a remarkable series of projects 4 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:29.260 A:middle L:90% investigating various aspects of digital librarianship and various specific issues. 5 00:00:29.940 --> 00:00:32.600 A:middle L:90% I have always, I was just mentioning to him 6 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:37.390 A:middle L:90% , I always appreciated his observations, his reports from 7 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:42.320 A:middle L:90% these initiatives at meetings that I'v attended when he spoke 8 00:00:42.329 --> 00:00:44.539 A:middle L:90% at IDCC and iPres and other 9 00:00:44.549 --> 00:00:50.219 A:middle L:90% events. And we are particularly looking forward to his 10 00:00:50.229 --> 00:00:55.729 A:middle L:90% synthesis of themes from the conference. Uh So let 11 00:00:55.729 --> 00:01:02.590 A:middle L:90% me introduce at Well, all right sir. Thanks 12 00:01:02.590 --> 00:01:10.500 A:middle L:90% Mark. Well I noticed. Okay, thanks Martin 13 00:01:10.510 --> 00:01:14.099 A:middle L:90% . Thanks. Other suggestion joining me here. I 14 00:01:14.099 --> 00:01:18.959 A:middle L:90% wasn't at the first, yeah. So why don't 15 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:21.920 A:middle L:90% we know it by reputation and by the lovely volume 16 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:26.239 A:middle L:90% that was produced from and there's been a really interesting 17 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:29.930 A:middle L:90% meaning for me. So thanks for all of you 18 00:01:30.290 --> 00:01:33.359 A:middle L:90% . Make it happen for grand committee and people for 19 00:01:33.370 --> 00:01:38.250 A:middle L:90% facilitating sessions participating really, really actively the dates. 20 00:01:40.140 --> 00:01:45.090 A:middle L:90% Thanks to many of you knew things. Cliff uh 21 00:01:45.099 --> 00:01:49.159 A:middle L:90% set the bar ridiculously high right for his closing remarks 22 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:53.430 A:middle L:90% from last year and I think he raised up slightly 23 00:01:53.430 --> 00:02:00.760 A:middle L:90% higher uh this time. So I have right, 24 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:05.140 A:middle L:90% very insightful of the marks of being, what can 25 00:02:05.140 --> 00:02:06.969 A:middle L:90% I do, writes all, I'll say a couple 26 00:02:06.969 --> 00:02:08.759 A:middle L:90% of things and hopefully I will bring some things together 27 00:02:09.139 --> 00:02:13.500 A:middle L:90% . We've actually done a fair amount of thinking about 28 00:02:13.620 --> 00:02:15.909 A:middle L:90% what we've done already today. One of the things 29 00:02:15.909 --> 00:02:17.889 A:middle L:90% I thought I'd try to do is pick up some 30 00:02:17.889 --> 00:02:21.849 A:middle L:90% of what I think are the big trends okay, 31 00:02:22.340 --> 00:02:27.030 A:middle L:90% affecting cultural preservation and what the impact of those might 32 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:29.659 A:middle L:90% be for this. So we're flying back to Wall 33 00:02:29.659 --> 00:02:35.000 A:middle L:90% Street. Yeah, I thought I also highlight a 34 00:02:35.009 --> 00:02:40.129 A:middle L:90% couple of things about a couple things about my background 35 00:02:40.129 --> 00:02:44.759 A:middle L:90% , which I think are relevant here. Some reflections 36 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.229 A:middle L:90% on the need and then I'll go and talk about 37 00:02:47.229 --> 00:02:51.620 A:middle L:90% some of the trends and then some suggestions please about 38 00:02:51.620 --> 00:02:54.639 A:middle L:90% what particular test. Mhm. My work over the 39 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:59.789 A:middle L:90% last decade er said was brought together three strands that 40 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:04.270 A:middle L:90% I picked up here during the course it started and 41 00:03:04.270 --> 00:03:07.180 A:middle L:90% I was very lucky to be at the british library 42 00:03:07.180 --> 00:03:10.439 A:middle L:90% with Shit was headed Collection Chairman. Together we established 43 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:15.159 A:middle L:90% , okay three was played a key role, I 44 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:17.939 A:middle L:90% think, shaking the way the library thinks about that 45 00:03:17.949 --> 00:03:23.259 A:middle L:90% handles digital material form terms currently managed by the pentagon 46 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:30.740 A:middle L:90% was your your today. He's I was also uh 47 00:03:30.750 --> 00:03:32.289 A:middle L:90% had a good fortune to be able to lead the 48 00:03:32.300 --> 00:03:36.699 A:middle L:90% secret funded planets project to work on that. So 49 00:03:36.710 --> 00:03:38.810 A:middle L:90% there's a lovely remark. I think I might have 50 00:03:38.810 --> 00:03:40.460 A:middle L:90% been Don johnson from the KB. Made It are 51 00:03:40.469 --> 00:03:44.349 A:middle L:90% closing conference there. He said something like I think 52 00:03:44.349 --> 00:03:46.909 A:middle L:90% he said something like work on that project and gives 53 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:51.060 A:middle L:90% you confidence that we can collaborate together in your kitchen 54 00:03:51.060 --> 00:03:55.830 A:middle L:90% scale and have a really and really read with that 55 00:03:55.830 --> 00:04:00.219 A:middle L:90% sense. No, I believe swallowing in collaboration collaboration 56 00:04:00.229 --> 00:04:04.300 A:middle L:90% across national boundaries and also by the music including yes 57 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:09.939 A:middle L:90% , many little participation and this project all work together 58 00:04:09.939 --> 00:04:14.560 A:middle L:90% in itself. Point really urgent escape budget coordinated by 59 00:04:15.089 --> 00:04:20.149 A:middle L:90% Excuse me. Yeah. Towards the end of that 60 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:27.860 A:middle L:90% project. 10 of your position to found the multiple 61 00:04:27.860 --> 00:04:31.120 A:middle L:90% crawfish. Yeah. And I think it's been really 62 00:04:31.129 --> 00:04:39.959 A:middle L:90% instrumental, kind of high value technical and practitioner exchange 63 00:04:40.339 --> 00:04:44.930 A:middle L:90% . Yeah. Yeah. Okay. To share literally 64 00:04:44.930 --> 00:04:48.449 A:middle L:90% essential expertise. And it also addresses some of the 65 00:04:48.449 --> 00:04:55.689 A:middle L:90% sustainability issues. Sweetie service problem. Project delivers something 66 00:04:55.689 --> 00:04:58.879 A:middle L:90% that's great. But Do a bunch of extra work 67 00:04:58.889 --> 00:05:05.000 A:middle L:90% to sustain the project. That alternative three software and 68 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:10.910 A:middle L:90% supported it inactive. That's one way to address the 69 00:05:10.910 --> 00:05:15.129 A:middle L:90% challenges. Four actually share a little bit of a 70 00:05:15.129 --> 00:05:17.350 A:middle L:90% late breaking news with respect. Yes. Mm. 71 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:20.990 A:middle L:90% Many of you will brought down the bill. Who 72 00:05:20.990 --> 00:05:27.360 A:middle L:90% is the Ceo? Yeah. Okay. He's actually 73 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:31.189 A:middle L:90% from helped get the organization started making sustainable He's now 74 00:05:31.189 --> 00:05:38.240 A:middle L:90% actually because stepping down as Ceo and pleased to be 75 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:40.470 A:middle L:90% able to announce me appointed at U. C zero 76 00:05:40.470 --> 00:05:44.879 A:middle L:90% forgiving patents, foundation anything. Um, who is 77 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:46.430 A:middle L:90% from the last store moments of some of you will 78 00:05:46.430 --> 00:05:50.610 A:middle L:90% know him. He's The last five years or 70's 79 00:05:50.620 --> 00:05:54.829 A:middle L:90% managed their digital library. These are the one school 80 00:05:54.829 --> 00:05:58.860 A:middle L:90% that can organize that includes everything from inception, true 81 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:02.560 A:middle L:90% deploying operational services as well as during the digital preservation 82 00:06:03.139 --> 00:06:10.910 A:middle L:90% there as well. And mhm hi proves or the 83 00:06:10.910 --> 00:06:15.759 A:middle L:90% skill set the initiative and excitement entities that so I 84 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:18.209 A:middle L:90% hope that all of you who are representing open planets 85 00:06:18.209 --> 00:06:24.629 A:middle L:90% accommodation members warmly welcomed him when he starts his new 86 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:28.269 A:middle L:90% world in february and I hope that all the rescues 87 00:06:28.269 --> 00:06:31.959 A:middle L:90% are in this community will given called prime time speech 88 00:06:32.540 --> 00:06:38.060 A:middle L:90% and the fall. I can't stop with a new 89 00:06:38.069 --> 00:06:45.189 A:middle L:90% organization work address of this additional preservation challenges on our 90 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:49.870 A:middle L:90% shared the second thing. Mm And so I had 91 00:06:49.870 --> 00:06:53.480 A:middle L:90% the good fortune to work with bridge puller Stone Rich 92 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:56.540 A:middle L:90% Library. Established 80 cent program there. Yeah, 93 00:06:56.939 --> 00:07:00.050 A:middle L:90% that included founding of data site again sort of internet 94 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:06.470 A:middle L:90% appreciate support position for some research better in particular way 95 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:12.829 A:middle L:90% by helping people find access and citing research data process 96 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:15.060 A:middle L:90% . Here is the executive director. Yeah. Data 97 00:07:15.060 --> 00:07:17.420 A:middle L:90% sites in his fourth year and saying I think a 98 00:07:17.420 --> 00:07:23.850 A:middle L:90% really exciting role. Global research infrastructure. Okay. 99 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:29.000 A:middle L:90% Uh huh. Research infrastructure Infrastructure. So important capacity 100 00:07:29.209 --> 00:07:31.470 A:middle L:90% is one that's been coming discover as we need. 101 00:07:31.939 --> 00:07:36.709 A:middle L:90% Yeah, smell reform. I guess the third thing 102 00:07:36.709 --> 00:07:39.930 A:middle L:90% around mention my current role. So I'm headed digital 103 00:07:39.930 --> 00:07:43.149 A:middle L:90% scholarship. What's happened to the big thing there is 104 00:07:43.149 --> 00:07:46.639 A:middle L:90% on establishing, working on building new services that led 105 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:50.759 A:middle L:90% researchers and started chewing on ways, right? Yeah 106 00:07:55.339 --> 00:07:59.100 A:middle L:90% . I think is the more I've been doing that 107 00:07:59.110 --> 00:08:01.220 A:middle L:90% , the more it has changed my view about what 108 00:08:01.230 --> 00:08:07.149 A:middle L:90% repositories are for the region is so I okay. 109 00:08:09.939 --> 00:08:11.959 A:middle L:90% Say within like a couple in there is also a 110 00:08:11.970 --> 00:08:16.629 A:middle L:90% digit research and digital curation to which is addressing along 111 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.610 A:middle L:90% the sort of digital curation sources. No. Yes 112 00:08:22.939 --> 00:08:28.420 A:middle L:90% . Yeah. So the media, Alright. So 113 00:08:28.430 --> 00:08:31.399 A:middle L:90% phrase yesterday morning, intellectual honesty. Great phrase, 114 00:08:31.409 --> 00:08:35.929 A:middle L:90% good name. I'm going to try to operating sort 115 00:08:35.929 --> 00:08:39.759 A:middle L:90% of in that in that. So honestly the human 116 00:08:39.769 --> 00:08:43.879 A:middle L:90% was instructed. Yeah. Let's try to identify some 117 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:48.250 A:middle L:90% uncomfortable issues and challenges. But for me, there's 118 00:08:48.250 --> 00:08:52.120 A:middle L:90% usually signal opportunities and next steps, right? It's 119 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:52.970 A:middle L:90% a long time to throw the talent because there's a 120 00:08:54.539 --> 00:08:58.590 A:middle L:90% Yeah. Well, first reason trying to follow what 121 00:08:58.590 --> 00:09:01.580 A:middle L:90% I encourage us all to follow the V I P 122 00:09:01.580 --> 00:09:03.460 A:middle L:90% C example. Let's be nice to each other, 123 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:07.590 A:middle L:90% We're in this together and we're all probably gonna be 124 00:09:07.590 --> 00:09:09.460 A:middle L:90% here in two years, three years, 5, 125 00:09:09.460 --> 00:09:15.500 A:middle L:90% 10 years. So let's be friends. Never thinking 126 00:09:15.509 --> 00:09:18.309 A:middle L:90% about the attendees here today. That's really interesting, 127 00:09:18.309 --> 00:09:22.690 A:middle L:90% expect despite so interesting mysticism brief those here. I 128 00:09:22.700 --> 00:09:24.179 A:middle L:90% don't know if it's true, but I think this 129 00:09:24.179 --> 00:09:30.129 A:middle L:90% is like the biggest meeting people from the Southern United 130 00:09:30.129 --> 00:09:35.950 A:middle L:90% States and I'm in It seems like you're living in 131 00:09:35.950 --> 00:09:41.049 A:middle L:90% texas. Okay. A pretty good representation from the 132 00:09:41.059 --> 00:09:45.559 A:middle L:90% UK. It's actually for a bit like from europe 133 00:09:46.340 --> 00:09:48.240 A:middle L:90% . Mm mhm. There's some folks from spain. 134 00:09:48.250 --> 00:09:52.549 A:middle L:90% Fantastic. I don't know how many virtual brands, 135 00:09:54.139 --> 00:09:56.899 A:middle L:90% so from Germany. Fantastic. Not too many from 136 00:09:56.899 --> 00:10:03.769 A:middle L:90% italy. Switzerland Estonia little bit forget Finland a few 137 00:10:03.779 --> 00:10:07.860 A:middle L:90% . Fantastic. A couple of days. But we're 138 00:10:09.539 --> 00:10:11.700 A:middle L:90% , the coverage could be removed from europe and I 139 00:10:11.700 --> 00:10:13.600 A:middle L:90% think that's, we have networks and we use them 140 00:10:13.610 --> 00:10:20.509 A:middle L:90% and that's what brings people, but global is a 141 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:24.019 A:middle L:90% big goal and even international rich ways is a eagles 142 00:10:24.029 --> 00:10:30.620 A:middle L:90% there. Human follicle Yeah, important. There is 143 00:10:30.620 --> 00:10:33.440 A:middle L:90% also pretty good representation, not just from the library 144 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:39.649 A:middle L:90% community, from service providers and vendors to really highlight 145 00:10:39.649 --> 00:10:41.509 A:middle L:90% that. I think that's significant. I think it's 146 00:10:41.509 --> 00:10:46.649 A:middle L:90% really important. Um but I'm not sure that they 147 00:10:46.659 --> 00:10:50.289 A:middle L:90% felt as welcome as I would have liked to have 148 00:10:50.299 --> 00:10:54.960 A:middle L:90% felt welcomed with open arms into a family and I 149 00:10:54.960 --> 00:11:03.629 A:middle L:90% think there's been some complexities green maybe that's all there's 150 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.080 A:middle L:90% some really interesting discussions and exchanges that are forced, 151 00:11:07.090 --> 00:11:11.720 A:middle L:90% all the different suspense here. Forget about the structure 152 00:11:11.730 --> 00:11:13.460 A:middle L:90% . So I actually quite like the structure. So 153 00:11:13.460 --> 00:11:16.259 A:middle L:90% this mix of action sections, sessions with some reading 154 00:11:16.259 --> 00:11:20.120 A:middle L:90% presentation for it. I think that's what river as 155 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:24.750 A:middle L:90% well. Mhm. I think it stopped a lot 156 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.710 A:middle L:90% hurts on a small set of things that raised important 157 00:11:28.710 --> 00:11:31.580 A:middle L:90% in the first mediums like region and some of them 158 00:11:31.590 --> 00:11:39.700 A:middle L:90% were I think perspective projects with specific funding just you 159 00:11:39.700 --> 00:11:43.789 A:middle L:90% can see somehow sometimes that tweet a little bit perhaps 160 00:11:43.789 --> 00:11:46.830 A:middle L:90% in the discussion to support a project that doesn't mean 161 00:11:46.830 --> 00:11:52.460 A:middle L:90% that wasn't really useful and interesting. It's pulling organization 162 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:58.149 A:middle L:90% goals that were established two years ago. Okay. 163 00:12:01.139 --> 00:12:03.110 A:middle L:90% I also thought maybe there was a bit of a 164 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:07.750 A:middle L:90% gap or mismatch from this side. I almost part 165 00:12:07.750 --> 00:12:11.909 A:middle L:90% of the program committee, the original establishment name there 166 00:12:11.139 --> 00:12:13.759 A:middle L:90% . So I love the name of line national approaches 167 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:18.000 A:middle L:90% but that can be quite a number of different things 168 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.409 A:middle L:90% and I felt like there wasn't quite consensus on what 169 00:12:20.409 --> 00:12:24.049 A:middle L:90% it means and what it would mean to kind film 170 00:12:24.049 --> 00:12:31.309 A:middle L:90% the mission implicitly name. Yeah. Certainly sometimes it 171 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:35.429 A:middle L:90% felt like we want to speak with a single clear 172 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:41.850 A:middle L:90% global voices memorable and a strong influence. Oh, 173 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.570 A:middle L:90% a force of variety of nations. That's really, 174 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:50.100 A:middle L:90% that's a hard thing to do. I'll be really 175 00:12:50.100 --> 00:12:52.470 A:middle L:90% want, I'm not sure that I'm necessarily the right 176 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:54.190 A:middle L:90% person to have that discussion. I think I might 177 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:56.659 A:middle L:90% share that attribute with a bunch of us in the 178 00:12:56.659 --> 00:13:00.990 A:middle L:90% audience here. Great proves to have discussions with not 179 00:13:00.990 --> 00:13:05.120 A:middle L:90% necessarily the right books to influence legislation. That's a 180 00:13:05.129 --> 00:13:09.940 A:middle L:90% really hard thing to do is yesterday or today, 181 00:13:09.950 --> 00:13:15.039 A:middle L:90% where the lobbyists have, we engaged people to effectively 182 00:13:15.049 --> 00:13:18.110 A:middle L:90% representing the interests of the financial stage. I think 183 00:13:18.110 --> 00:13:20.539 A:middle L:90% it's easy to underestimate the amount of work that that 184 00:13:20.549 --> 00:13:24.470 A:middle L:90% takes. It's really hard. So this is why 185 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:28.759 A:middle L:90% my little test how many of us happen in our 186 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:33.029 A:middle L:90% phones, the address and phone number group, their 187 00:13:33.029 --> 00:13:37.379 A:middle L:90% national legislation or senior government officials that you call up 188 00:13:37.389 --> 00:13:43.149 A:middle L:90% and will return involved. I knew I knew it 189 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.759 A:middle L:90% . So yeah so there are a couple a couple 190 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:48.659 A:middle L:90% of the rooms who have that. But you like 191 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:52.460 A:middle L:90% the blend to be different on in order to really 192 00:13:52.460 --> 00:13:58.549 A:middle L:90% publish it that right. Right. Other times it 193 00:13:58.549 --> 00:14:01.009 A:middle L:90% sounded to me like we were addressing real smaller scale 194 00:14:01.009 --> 00:14:05.360 A:middle L:90% collaboration that crosses national boundaries and trying to sweep that 195 00:14:05.470 --> 00:14:07.269 A:middle L:90% . That's super important. I think this is a 196 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:09.240 A:middle L:90% pretty good mix of people to accomplish a lot of 197 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:15.080 A:middle L:90% that. What you would do you good the melody 198 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.039 A:middle L:90% of the next. And I think the improved use 199 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:22.570 A:middle L:90% of training resources and shared maintenance. The coolest and 200 00:14:22.570 --> 00:14:26.269 A:middle L:90% things are really good examples where a bit of collaboration 201 00:14:26.269 --> 00:14:31.360 A:middle L:90% across boundaries organization, people effective bit of work and 202 00:14:31.470 --> 00:14:35.320 A:middle L:90% collaboration. Thank you. Sure. Yes. That's 203 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.269 A:middle L:90% probably where the sweet spot is for this. This 204 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:48.019 A:middle L:90% uh we wanted to shift that next year or next 205 00:14:48.029 --> 00:14:50.820 A:middle L:90% time when they do for me get christian polar orbits 206 00:14:50.820 --> 00:14:56.590 A:middle L:90% buddy using. Mhm. Get a lot of parties 207 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:03.570 A:middle L:90% present. Okay. Uh huh. Clinton mentioned the 208 00:15:03.570 --> 00:15:09.440 A:middle L:90% six accidents. They were highlighted in the original book 209 00:15:09.450 --> 00:15:11.990 A:middle L:90% . Just Think about this one is a legal one 210 00:15:11.990 --> 00:15:13.279 A:middle L:90% I think. Right, address that. I actually 211 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.350 A:middle L:90% think that's super, super important. Right? Yeah 212 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.059 A:middle L:90% . I don't have a really good command of what 213 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:26.360 A:middle L:90% . Yeah, yeah, yeah. Will stay within 214 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:31.059 A:middle L:90% the US around things like the rights to we have 215 00:15:31.059 --> 00:15:35.259 A:middle L:90% folks humans but really important going to be known. 216 00:15:35.740 --> 00:15:39.570 A:middle L:90% I think actually you could construct for the urgent feeling 217 00:15:39.570 --> 00:15:52.720 A:middle L:90% argument we don't know UK entertain years what and sort 218 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:58.679 A:middle L:90% of wild it's sort of finally there's an organizational access 219 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:03.049 A:middle L:90% . I think we could make quite a contribution there 220 00:16:03.539 --> 00:16:04.690 A:middle L:90% . I don't think there was a lot of discussion 221 00:16:04.690 --> 00:16:10.750 A:middle L:90% about it that I've heard and this we can dig 222 00:16:10.750 --> 00:16:12.659 A:middle L:90% in the race and organizations or what the workflows, 223 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.009 A:middle L:90% how you can switch out services across organizations. And 224 00:16:18.009 --> 00:16:21.730 A:middle L:90% I think there's a lot of expertise. You might 225 00:16:21.740 --> 00:16:26.360 A:middle L:90% hold on to this service standards, sheriff. It's 226 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:33.259 A:middle L:90% called the underground standards, think they're important, but 227 00:16:33.269 --> 00:16:36.549 A:middle L:90% we have to be careful reforms get all right. 228 00:16:37.340 --> 00:16:38.710 A:middle L:90% I think as a community, you've gotten a little 229 00:16:38.710 --> 00:16:41.730 A:middle L:90% bit better about allowing the standards to follow practice. 230 00:16:41.730 --> 00:16:45.779 A:middle L:90% Right, understand. And this. I think that's 231 00:16:45.779 --> 00:16:52.360 A:middle L:90% not. Thank you. See, I thought they 232 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:59.620 A:middle L:90% were relatively few discussions about cool under killings. This 233 00:16:59.620 --> 00:17:02.919 A:middle L:90% meeting surprised me a little bit and the ones that 234 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:03.920 A:middle L:90% were there, I think we're good ones. They 235 00:17:03.930 --> 00:17:08.039 A:middle L:90% absorb that. Not neutrals, gaps and offering, 236 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:11.269 A:middle L:90% But let's bring together the list of them. Yeah 237 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:18.789 A:middle L:90% . Do economic aspects. We have a discussion about 238 00:17:18.789 --> 00:17:21.359 A:middle L:90% them being focused on a particular aspect, the right 239 00:17:21.390 --> 00:17:25.180 A:middle L:90% focus on the cost and we did a little bit 240 00:17:25.190 --> 00:17:30.170 A:middle L:90% better proposition focus. I have. I do. 241 00:17:30.180 --> 00:17:33.670 A:middle L:90% So because I love the passport has been done. 242 00:17:33.140 --> 00:17:37.970 A:middle L:90% I use sometimes wonderful creativity, too much energy into 243 00:17:37.980 --> 00:17:41.839 A:middle L:90% detail. Mhm. When I look at the kind 244 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:47.880 A:middle L:90% of analysis my organization does put together in business thumbs 245 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:49.950 A:middle L:90% of the project. Yeah. The cost they understood 246 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:55.109 A:middle L:90% important, but it's quite, you know, back 247 00:17:55.109 --> 00:17:57.470 A:middle L:90% of the envelope sort of self right. It's hard 248 00:17:57.470 --> 00:18:02.250 A:middle L:90% to project control too well. And so the estimated 249 00:18:02.259 --> 00:18:03.769 A:middle L:90% Yes, they're important. But really in details, 250 00:18:06.740 --> 00:18:08.940 A:middle L:90% bottle necks are interesting. So where's the money going 251 00:18:08.940 --> 00:18:14.359 A:middle L:90% ? But these things happen. Not this all produce 252 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:22.670 A:middle L:90% your goal cost factor for me calls like, Yeah 253 00:18:22.430 --> 00:18:25.589 A:middle L:90% , I looked I think I'll come back later. 254 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:30.619 A:middle L:90% But later that day I? M c. Davis 255 00:18:30.650 --> 00:18:34.059 A:middle L:90% wasn't following any morning. So David came up with 256 00:18:34.059 --> 00:18:37.819 A:middle L:90% a challenge. It was kind of David. Rosen 257 00:18:37.819 --> 00:18:45.109 A:middle L:90% paul's slimming challenge. Take 50 off Our calls and 258 00:18:45.109 --> 00:18:48.240 A:middle L:90% I felt that was actually a really good one I 259 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.269 A:middle L:90% think we can make it. Um So I'll come 260 00:18:51.269 --> 00:18:56.990 A:middle L:90% back. Yeah mm. Than education. Really good 261 00:18:56.990 --> 00:19:00.049 A:middle L:90% discussion about education and training. All those are some 262 00:19:00.049 --> 00:19:04.599 A:middle L:90% of those productive discussions I've heard here really like some 263 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:07.980 A:middle L:90% of the proposals come forward. Some of the ideas 264 00:19:07.980 --> 00:19:11.819 A:middle L:90% about how to make training material reusable and making sure 265 00:19:11.819 --> 00:19:15.230 A:middle L:90% that people would use them and kind of ideas for 266 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:19.029 A:middle L:90% new resources that will even understanding of what it takes 267 00:19:19.029 --> 00:19:26.700 A:middle L:90% . Really short presentation. Sure there was a uh 268 00:19:26.700 --> 00:19:30.230 A:middle L:90% huh. But there's quite a bit of talk around 269 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:34.549 A:middle L:90% alignment related to kind of reducing variation. Didn't see 270 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:41.289 A:middle L:90% . Yeah. Is not completely clear to what the 271 00:19:41.289 --> 00:19:45.769 A:middle L:90% scale of the perceived yes. Okay, correction, 272 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:49.890 A:middle L:90% impairment of variety. I think there are a lot 273 00:19:49.890 --> 00:19:53.369 A:middle L:90% of secret eaters in digital preservation. Lot of voices 274 00:19:53.619 --> 00:19:56.750 A:middle L:90% . There are a lot of interests and their many 275 00:19:56.059 --> 00:20:00.339 A:middle L:90% keys and the side effect of that's what I expect 276 00:20:00.349 --> 00:20:04.589 A:middle L:90% to see sometimes at a distance in my group like 277 00:20:04.589 --> 00:20:07.759 A:middle L:90% the same problem being addressed by different organizations with different 278 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:11.579 A:middle L:90% perspectives in very different ways and that may not be 279 00:20:11.579 --> 00:20:14.660 A:middle L:90% such a bad thing. I think that would be 280 00:20:14.660 --> 00:20:17.450 A:middle L:90% like we were meetings. Right? So every door 281 00:20:17.450 --> 00:20:22.759 A:middle L:90% newspaper but you called. That's okay. Wait, 282 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:27.250 A:middle L:90% I appreciate that because I get to understand what what 283 00:20:27.250 --> 00:20:30.009 A:middle L:90% the voice is and whether when this guy recommends something 284 00:20:30.009 --> 00:20:32.890 A:middle L:90% that's good when this guy hates it. I love 285 00:20:32.890 --> 00:20:36.170 A:middle L:90% it. So I get to do that. And 286 00:20:36.180 --> 00:20:37.710 A:middle L:90% if there was just one movie review remember we don't 287 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.650 A:middle L:90% like it would be valid. We come and he 288 00:20:41.650 --> 00:20:44.519 A:middle L:90% would always be good can be very useful. And 289 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:48.609 A:middle L:90% that sometimes happens when you combine registries and you lose 290 00:20:48.609 --> 00:20:52.150 A:middle L:90% the voice. Yeah. Something you can't trust it 291 00:20:52.150 --> 00:21:00.369 A:middle L:90% is they use the Voice. Mm You know, 292 00:21:00.380 --> 00:21:03.279 A:middle L:90% last the word interdependence has come up quite a lot 293 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:06.390 A:middle L:90% of the last couple of days. And Cliff introduced 294 00:21:06.390 --> 00:21:11.079 A:middle L:90% it. This opening here and there. I think 295 00:21:11.089 --> 00:21:12.279 A:middle L:90% what he introduced it, he introduced it as a 296 00:21:12.289 --> 00:21:18.730 A:middle L:90% risk sometimes coming off as of the event. That 297 00:21:18.730 --> 00:21:21.859 A:middle L:90% would be great. Helpings independent. So independence can 298 00:21:21.869 --> 00:21:22.720 A:middle L:90% be good. Interdependence can be good. But it 299 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:26.059 A:middle L:90% has to be careful advantage. It's a risk. 300 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:32.529 A:middle L:90% Mexico. So those are the main things sort of 301 00:21:32.529 --> 00:21:37.119 A:middle L:90% my reflections on how we operated, What we focused 302 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:48.490 A:middle L:90% on have been forced for days. Think a bit 303 00:21:48.490 --> 00:21:51.700 A:middle L:90% about some of the trends. So for me the 304 00:21:51.710 --> 00:21:57.690 A:middle L:90% biggest, most exciting trend is noncriminal positive regulations and 305 00:21:57.700 --> 00:22:03.900 A:middle L:90% mandates for things True. So this is a big 306 00:22:03.900 --> 00:22:07.430 A:middle L:90% deal for this community, both of those, those 307 00:22:07.430 --> 00:22:11.369 A:middle L:90% of you. So for many of us, digital 308 00:22:11.369 --> 00:22:15.779 A:middle L:90% content is going to be swamping us in a way 309 00:22:15.779 --> 00:22:18.710 A:middle L:90% that I never had. Thanks. So you came 310 00:22:18.710 --> 00:22:21.609 A:middle L:90% in deal April six This year. Long way to 311 00:22:21.609 --> 00:22:25.240 A:middle L:90% the legal deposit regulations came into play. I can't 312 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:27.400 A:middle L:90% remember there's a midnight april six or morning april seven 313 00:22:27.410 --> 00:22:32.549 A:middle L:90% . We pushed and pushed the button. Actually, 314 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:37.119 A:middle L:90% citizens fact, we haven't moved which party for appeal 315 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:38.589 A:middle L:90% deposit and we did have a red button and our 316 00:22:38.589 --> 00:22:42.809 A:middle L:90% new ceo ruling actually pushed it may have triggered the 317 00:22:42.809 --> 00:22:45.400 A:middle L:90% start of the crawling of the UK web domain. 318 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:51.710 A:middle L:90% I'm not sure. I'm not saying it a little 319 00:22:51.710 --> 00:22:53.990 A:middle L:90% here, a little here. Uh So uh we 320 00:22:53.990 --> 00:23:00.299 A:middle L:90% now complete our first brought UK web scale for millions 321 00:23:00.309 --> 00:23:03.789 A:middle L:90% websites, millions of people. He's 40 star lights 322 00:23:03.789 --> 00:23:07.880 A:middle L:90% of compressed data and all that stuff has been ingested 323 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.750 A:middle L:90% into our additional library system or our city as well 324 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:15.250 A:middle L:90% . And we feel that that's resilient and robust enough 325 00:23:15.299 --> 00:23:17.549 A:middle L:90% to worry too much about it being there. Mhm 326 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:26.589 A:middle L:90% . Five years. Yes, we've so we've all 327 00:23:26.589 --> 00:23:30.509 A:middle L:90% seen this mandy's for data archive. The dimensional plan 328 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:36.069 A:middle L:90% is good point at some point we're gonna start seeing 329 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:41.059 A:middle L:90% things come out of the kind of resourcing things coming 330 00:23:41.059 --> 00:23:45.019 A:middle L:90% to organizations, universities, libraries from those, but 331 00:23:45.019 --> 00:23:51.059 A:middle L:90% also when your time clocks go off And the plan 332 00:23:51.069 --> 00:23:52.730 A:middle L:90% had been sold out for the 1st 10 years except 333 00:23:52.740 --> 00:24:00.559 A:middle L:90% for the next so paul loan for this together those 334 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:03.339 A:middle L:90% things and others, there's a big transition to business 335 00:24:03.339 --> 00:24:07.480 A:middle L:90% as usual. That's what's happening in british library, 336 00:24:07.490 --> 00:24:11.670 A:middle L:90% that's what's happen all rooms. Mhm. And some 337 00:24:11.670 --> 00:24:14.700 A:middle L:90% of the discussion around that has to quite a load 338 00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:18.269 A:middle L:90% it. So uh I think many of our organizations 339 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:22.619 A:middle L:90% have, we've got an operational budget for him like 340 00:24:22.630 --> 00:24:27.559 A:middle L:90% ninjas, storage preservation, accessibility issues, God, 341 00:24:30.140 --> 00:24:33.359 A:middle L:90% digital preservation at the british library is part regional budget 342 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:37.970 A:middle L:90% . There's operational teams for digital library system usage, 343 00:24:37.980 --> 00:24:44.170 A:middle L:90% for digitization, for access selection and so on. 344 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:48.329 A:middle L:90% Real capital investment for additional infrastructure. I suspect that 345 00:24:48.329 --> 00:24:49.710 A:middle L:90% what if you do that? Well, yes, 346 00:24:49.710 --> 00:24:52.609 A:middle L:90% we do projects. We try to get projects where 347 00:24:52.609 --> 00:24:56.160 A:middle L:90% they're all right with what we need to take the 348 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:59.940 A:middle L:90% next step, developed a new technology, try something 349 00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:03.960 A:middle L:90% new out. But they really support our operational business 350 00:25:04.740 --> 00:25:07.400 A:middle L:90% . I think that's the mold that you have the 351 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:11.549 A:middle L:90% water moved to. You're going to, which you 352 00:25:11.549 --> 00:25:15.180 A:middle L:90% think there's a from working in social. I say 353 00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:21.019 A:middle L:90% we also do that stuff with external service providers. 354 00:25:21.029 --> 00:25:23.099 A:middle L:90% Right. Big. So we build some stuff ourselves 355 00:25:23.109 --> 00:25:26.299 A:middle L:90% . Yes, we do a lot course actually for 356 00:25:26.309 --> 00:25:32.950 A:middle L:90% ingesting millions of objects. We do all the work 357 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:37.480 A:middle L:90% with private partnerships for instance, quite solvent. It's 358 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:41.150 A:middle L:90% our newspaper place. You couldn't afford to do either 359 00:25:41.150 --> 00:25:45.670 A:middle L:90% of those things ourselves, can't afford burger ship and 360 00:25:47.940 --> 00:25:49.549 A:middle L:90% I just want highlight that, right? So you 361 00:25:49.549 --> 00:25:52.359 A:middle L:90% know, we would find much more challenging to execute 362 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:57.690 A:middle L:90% our mission without those relief, productive perversions we have 363 00:25:57.700 --> 00:26:02.170 A:middle L:90% with organizations with mixing business models, some for profit 364 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:07.740 A:middle L:90% , so not for profit, no slot. Just 365 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:15.339 A:middle L:90% underline that comment. Next big trend. Weinstein is 366 00:26:15.339 --> 00:26:22.240 A:middle L:90% the trend shift to born digital sarah. For many 367 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.359 A:middle L:90% of us to never the last year, most of 368 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:29.849 A:middle L:90% our stuff has given it's very on Samal tomorrow materials 369 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:34.509 A:middle L:90% resource. But now we're shifting things like positive with 370 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:41.630 A:middle L:90% archive media data software and so long to the million 371 00:26:41.630 --> 00:26:48.240 A:middle L:90% lodgers in tens of terabytes are shipped greater scale. 372 00:26:48.329 --> 00:26:49.450 A:middle L:90% So there's one of the posters on their loving poster 373 00:26:51.339 --> 00:26:56.670 A:middle L:90% sizes on At the top levels 30 terabytes. So 374 00:26:57.140 --> 00:27:00.180 A:middle L:90% We've got some some, not all the same, 375 00:27:00.190 --> 00:27:03.630 A:middle L:90% we got 300. Our lights are soon or disorder 376 00:27:03.940 --> 00:27:08.869 A:middle L:90% 3 50 terabytes is kind of projected size. Each 377 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:15.049 A:middle L:90% web call under me to europe, bringing in tens 378 00:27:15.049 --> 00:27:21.420 A:middle L:90% of terabytes suit mark pleasure. And yeah, this 379 00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:23.319 A:middle L:90% which is done. He said there's a show of 380 00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:29.059 A:middle L:90% hands who has More than say 20 terabytes in there 381 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.539 A:middle L:90% . So it's quite a lot. That's Who has 382 00:27:33.539 --> 00:27:37.849 A:middle L:90% more than 100. But if you were actually quite 383 00:27:37.849 --> 00:27:44.599 A:middle L:90% about so few years ago, that was unimaginable. 384 00:27:44.609 --> 00:27:48.940 A:middle L:90% Right, ridiculous undertone problem but now is actually white 385 00:27:48.950 --> 00:27:56.660 A:middle L:90% collar. 300 500 head of money will be answer 386 00:27:56.539 --> 00:28:02.559 A:middle L:90% each, each intensity. I also think we're seeing 387 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:07.430 A:middle L:90% a trend of new usage. So I'm hypothesizing we 388 00:28:07.430 --> 00:28:10.109 A:middle L:90% need to do more bit like us and when you 389 00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:11.849 A:middle L:90% need you something like the whole, if the reader 390 00:28:11.849 --> 00:28:15.609 A:middle L:90% comes, the british library wants to find something, 391 00:28:15.789 --> 00:28:18.200 A:middle L:90% they search the catalog. It'll just click on something 392 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:21.690 A:middle L:90% I say, oh, that's an online resource. 393 00:28:21.829 --> 00:28:25.119 A:middle L:90% Fantastic. They can click on it. They downloaded 394 00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:29.130 A:middle L:90% as a pdf borders. So one thing at a 395 00:28:29.130 --> 00:28:32.630 A:middle L:90% time, just like it to look like it's a 396 00:28:32.630 --> 00:28:33.059 A:middle L:90% little worse. Right? Because you have a small 397 00:28:33.059 --> 00:28:37.539 A:middle L:90% screen have much warmly out of other disk. So 398 00:28:37.549 --> 00:28:40.950 A:middle L:90% for me, he's had a digital scholarship while I'm 399 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:44.450 A:middle L:90% hearing more and more people and saying, well actually 400 00:28:45.539 --> 00:28:48.140 A:middle L:90% what you got isn't a collection of books, but 401 00:28:48.140 --> 00:28:51.640 A:middle L:90% you happen is a large data set analyzing the king's 402 00:28:51.789 --> 00:28:55.269 A:middle L:90% . Right. So a couple of fund examples might 403 00:28:55.839 --> 00:29:00.170 A:middle L:90% how many tens of thousands of hours of wildlife recordings 404 00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:03.529 A:middle L:90% . Okay. So people would like to go through 405 00:29:03.529 --> 00:29:08.380 A:middle L:90% all wildlife recordings and automatically identify the Jerusalem's construct derived 406 00:29:08.390 --> 00:29:11.230 A:middle L:90% database of the bird songs and then to analyze and 407 00:29:11.230 --> 00:29:17.190 A:middle L:90% announced something species how they occurred as an interaction, 408 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:18.349 A:middle L:90% how an interesting event and all those sorts of things 409 00:29:19.140 --> 00:29:23.470 A:middle L:90% to do. Totally different usage pattern that it's already 410 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:29.000 A:middle L:90% passed. Another example in newspapers. So during the 411 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:30.980 A:middle L:90% 19th century there was a kind of copy and paste 412 00:29:30.990 --> 00:29:33.059 A:middle L:90% thing. Did you know who's been with us? 413 00:29:34.539 --> 00:29:37.769 A:middle L:90% It's part of that might be published in London and 414 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:41.039 A:middle L:90% cut out of the newspaper and Ricky we show up 415 00:29:41.220 --> 00:29:44.779 A:middle L:90% or maybe come together way. Maybe we started in 416 00:29:44.789 --> 00:29:48.109 A:middle L:90% Canberra. You know, lots of different questions about 417 00:29:48.109 --> 00:29:52.099 A:middle L:90% what was low information during the 19th century in the 418 00:29:52.109 --> 00:29:56.910 A:middle L:90% Prince. So interesting problem. You can try to 419 00:29:56.910 --> 00:30:00.940 A:middle L:90% do it by hand lifetimes or you can construct a 420 00:30:00.940 --> 00:30:03.549 A:middle L:90% data set. Both text, look for overlaps and 421 00:30:03.549 --> 00:30:07.119 A:middle L:90% text and find the use of paragraphs and articles and 422 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.339 A:middle L:90% construct the graph. Look at the directionality, Look 423 00:30:10.339 --> 00:30:12.829 A:middle L:90% at changes over time, interesting kind of problems you 424 00:30:12.829 --> 00:30:15.539 A:middle L:90% can solve them. You could never do by hand 425 00:30:15.549 --> 00:30:18.579 A:middle L:90% . So that's those are, you know, and 426 00:30:18.579 --> 00:30:19.569 A:middle L:90% there's dozens and dozens of things like this, right 427 00:30:19.579 --> 00:30:22.759 A:middle L:90% , that people are coming to us now say, 428 00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:25.880 A:middle L:90% I know you've got the it's a digital I want 429 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:26.650 A:middle L:90% to do something interesting with that. I didn't want 430 00:30:26.650 --> 00:30:30.470 A:middle L:90% to read like, okay, so like that's a 431 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.579 A:middle L:90% new usage happens. That has an impact on all 432 00:30:33.579 --> 00:30:38.349 A:middle L:90% the stuff we're running around depositories around archives and around 433 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:44.440 A:middle L:90% preservation. Yeah. So if we constructed and are 434 00:30:44.450 --> 00:30:51.069 A:middle L:90% handed whose primary whose architectural that someone get stream of 435 00:30:51.069 --> 00:30:52.869 A:middle L:90% things coming out one at a time, that doesn't 436 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.809 A:middle L:90% work for these monsters. We have to rethink the 437 00:30:56.809 --> 00:31:00.839 A:middle L:90% architecture of our digital. Yes. Okay. We 438 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.119 A:middle L:90% haven't done it yet. I have some thoughts longer 439 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:07.029 A:middle L:90% discussion. Other folks have involved in drug research centuries 440 00:31:07.029 --> 00:31:10.359 A:middle L:90% thinking about this as well. The same planet problem 441 00:31:11.339 --> 00:31:14.950 A:middle L:90% . But we're going to find that our digital library 442 00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:21.960 A:middle L:90% architecture and digital preservation system steel vary by using pretty 443 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:29.339 A:middle L:90% soon. Sorry. You also find the O. 444 00:31:29.339 --> 00:31:30.980 A:middle L:90% A. I. S. You know, you 445 00:31:30.980 --> 00:31:33.509 A:middle L:90% can kind of twist it so it fits this usage 446 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.150 A:middle L:90% pattern, but it's not really natural. It needs 447 00:31:37.150 --> 00:31:40.299 A:middle L:90% a bit of a rethink and the lighter think of 448 00:31:40.299 --> 00:31:45.640 A:middle L:90% this this sort of use. Mm hmm. Also 449 00:31:45.650 --> 00:31:51.740 A:middle L:90% , we we can kind of assume that partly it's 450 00:31:51.740 --> 00:31:52.930 A:middle L:90% none of the collection of people. Right? That's 451 00:31:52.930 --> 00:31:56.089 A:middle L:90% kind of the assumption of bricks with this usage pattern 452 00:31:56.099 --> 00:31:59.640 A:middle L:90% . Actually stick quite often is when you get to 453 00:31:59.650 --> 00:32:04.660 A:middle L:90% keep everything okay to think about it again, a 454 00:32:04.670 --> 00:32:07.910 A:middle L:90% little bit different. Our catalogue doing the wrong thing 455 00:32:07.180 --> 00:32:09.359 A:middle L:90% , bits of our infrastructure, doing the wrong thing 456 00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:15.549 A:middle L:90% to support these news. So, both the archive 457 00:32:16.339 --> 00:32:20.400 A:middle L:90% system in fermenters, that storage system in fermenters and 458 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.549 A:middle L:90% the digital reservation service inventors have to think differently. 459 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:30.250 A:middle L:90% Just trade. Yes. Uh huh. Another family 460 00:32:30.259 --> 00:32:35.450 A:middle L:90% trend really picked up a lot of this meeting is 461 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.589 A:middle L:90% reduced funding. Okay. What add some, reduce 462 00:32:39.589 --> 00:32:42.950 A:middle L:90% funding. But is it really well, okay, 463 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.970 A:middle L:90% There's not a zero sum game here. It's not 464 00:32:45.970 --> 00:32:50.660 A:middle L:90% like we all have to fight the same. You 465 00:32:50.660 --> 00:32:54.029 A:middle L:90% know,€5 or dollars begins on their part. 466 00:32:54.029 --> 00:32:58.880 A:middle L:90% Digital preservation projects. That's really the way it is 467 00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:00.930 A:middle L:90% going to work I think. And we've got some 468 00:33:00.940 --> 00:33:05.750 A:middle L:90% evidence here at this meeting. Additional preservations of all 469 00:33:05.750 --> 00:33:08.750 A:middle L:90% in memory institution. Right. I felt it would 470 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:15.940 A:middle L:90% be It's really close 12 hurts. It's course commission 471 00:33:15.170 --> 00:33:17.960 A:middle L:90% . Right? Absolutely. Buy into all of that 472 00:33:19.539 --> 00:33:23.529 A:middle L:90% . But it's spreading importance and there's a growing range 473 00:33:23.539 --> 00:33:29.099 A:middle L:90% of businesses, government agencies and individuals to whom it 474 00:33:29.109 --> 00:33:31.019 A:middle L:90% becomes important. Might reflect on that every now and 475 00:33:31.019 --> 00:33:34.549 A:middle L:90% then prove me because my mother died some years ago 476 00:33:34.940 --> 00:33:37.960 A:middle L:90% and I have a she sort of left her email 477 00:33:38.339 --> 00:33:44.269 A:middle L:90% , you know, maybe. And I wish I 478 00:33:44.269 --> 00:33:46.359 A:middle L:90% had done a better job actually preserving the digital close 479 00:33:46.740 --> 00:33:49.750 A:middle L:90% on both. I'm not sure some of them to 480 00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.490 A:middle L:90% a laptop wind, but we don't really have that 481 00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:57.490 A:middle L:90% as a personal horrified solution for that sort of thing 482 00:33:57.660 --> 00:34:00.769 A:middle L:90% . That's becoming, you know, mhm It was 483 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:04.349 A:middle L:90% , yeah, can lead to the whole computer thing 484 00:34:04.349 --> 00:34:07.500 A:middle L:90% . Right. My generation, all the way my 485 00:34:07.500 --> 00:34:10.050 A:middle L:90% Children, you know, down to when they were 486 00:34:10.059 --> 00:34:16.000 A:middle L:90% first right today is going to be even worse than 487 00:34:16.010 --> 00:34:20.349 A:middle L:90% first able to touch something and see a screen. 488 00:34:20.739 --> 00:34:25.030 A:middle L:90% And that will put a really interesting additional pressure on 489 00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:30.039 A:middle L:90% the ability to deliver access meaningful Today's content in 30 490 00:34:30.050 --> 00:34:32.789 A:middle L:90% , 50, 70 years. So big, big 491 00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.989 A:middle L:90% , big I've been saying this for a long time 492 00:34:35.989 --> 00:34:38.269 A:middle L:90% . I admit, but I think actually it really 493 00:34:38.269 --> 00:34:44.670 A:middle L:90% is rolling. And you see so mm and in 494 00:34:44.670 --> 00:34:47.360 A:middle L:90% that context we can probably think a bit more openly 495 00:34:47.369 --> 00:34:52.139 A:middle L:90% about the wall of troops person roll vendors in the 496 00:34:52.150 --> 00:34:55.889 A:middle L:90% reservation space. So here we got for profits to 497 00:34:55.889 --> 00:35:00.829 A:middle L:90% sell out, not for profits. We've got a 498 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:02.750 A:middle L:90% bunch of these member multi probably remember certain organizations. 499 00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:10.559 A:middle L:90% You see crime visual. So I don't think any 500 00:35:10.570 --> 00:35:14.480 A:middle L:90% business models like a guarantee of success. It's not 501 00:35:14.489 --> 00:35:17.489 A:middle L:90% like a network definitely win or for profit definitely wins 502 00:35:17.489 --> 00:35:21.940 A:middle L:90% . Right. About delivery will be accidents of sorts 503 00:35:22.139 --> 00:35:27.170 A:middle L:90% . But I think the there's going to be, 504 00:35:27.739 --> 00:35:30.760 A:middle L:90% there's an opportunity for good, healthy competition that will 505 00:35:30.769 --> 00:35:32.329 A:middle L:90% drive down costs and what they enable is to think 506 00:35:32.329 --> 00:35:37.260 A:middle L:90% about solving our problems differently that you have. Yeah 507 00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:44.960 A:middle L:90% , I think we should really well yourself concern. 508 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:50.139 A:middle L:90% Sorry. Right. And I think there's going to 509 00:35:50.150 --> 00:35:52.289 A:middle L:90% be, you know, then see bigger players get 510 00:35:52.300 --> 00:35:54.949 A:middle L:90% bolted over the coming years. That will scare us 511 00:35:54.949 --> 00:35:57.840 A:middle L:90% a little bit. But I think again, that 512 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:01.929 A:middle L:90% will probably also help costs, help to increase the 513 00:36:01.929 --> 00:36:05.019 A:middle L:90% range of services that I hope that we'll end up 514 00:36:05.030 --> 00:36:07.500 A:middle L:90% with not just cheaper ones that better services, federal 515 00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:10.650 A:middle L:90% pricing models and ones that fit our business is better 516 00:36:12.130 --> 00:36:17.070 A:middle L:90% . Okay, that's right. American background coming perhaps 517 00:36:17.230 --> 00:36:20.429 A:middle L:90% . I don't know whether will resonate with people in 518 00:36:20.429 --> 00:36:23.079 A:middle L:90% the room today or not, but think we have 519 00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:27.630 A:middle L:90% to expect that to happen. Okay. We don't 520 00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:43.099 A:middle L:90% kind of welcome it. Yeah. The last trend 521 00:36:43.110 --> 00:36:47.949 A:middle L:90% is shift to fortune thinking to the infrastructure on. 522 00:36:49.929 --> 00:36:53.349 A:middle L:90% Yeah. That's going to require some serious thinking about 523 00:36:53.829 --> 00:36:58.409 A:middle L:90% . That's right. Infrastructure is different. Think problems 524 00:36:58.409 --> 00:37:01.750 A:middle L:90% probably talked about that. Yes, I was news 525 00:37:02.130 --> 00:37:05.679 A:middle L:90% . So we'll see what I've seen consistent with what 526 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:08.010 A:middle L:90% is what he was saying. So the problem can 527 00:37:08.010 --> 00:37:10.500 A:middle L:90% mean we're chatting about this during one of the great 528 00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:15.030 A:middle L:90% infrastructure industry, right. Work for the heating. 529 00:37:15.230 --> 00:37:19.150 A:middle L:90% You only notice it when it's broken and then you 530 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.739 A:middle L:90% give people a hard time. And libraries don't really 531 00:37:21.739 --> 00:37:23.889 A:middle L:90% like union that they already have a lot of fears 532 00:37:23.900 --> 00:37:29.699 A:middle L:90% , right? University libraries fear they're providing lots of 533 00:37:29.699 --> 00:37:36.360 A:middle L:90% resources free of charge and invisibly interesting equality. Right 534 00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:37.949 A:middle L:90% . Well, that sort of thing. They don't 535 00:37:37.949 --> 00:37:40.960 A:middle L:90% want to disappear. People's lists of people's budgets. 536 00:37:42.809 --> 00:37:49.170 A:middle L:90% But actually the flavor disorder preservation or climate really isn't 537 00:37:49.170 --> 00:37:54.679 A:middle L:90% interested us have to figure out a way to sure 538 00:37:54.679 --> 00:38:00.110 A:middle L:90% that infrastructure flavors get appropriate credit for it. But 539 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:04.530 A:middle L:90% if we think it's a cheek activity, basic infrastructure 540 00:38:04.530 --> 00:38:08.440 A:middle L:90% activity bill yet sidelined by the people realize what it 541 00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:15.670 A:middle L:90% is. Mhm. Personally. Okay. So Uh 542 00:38:15.670 --> 00:38:19.380 A:middle L:90% huh. Getting towards the end here. So what's 543 00:38:19.380 --> 00:38:22.230 A:middle L:90% next? So I think there are a lot of 544 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:28.019 A:middle L:90% areas where this community, Yeah. I think there's 545 00:38:28.019 --> 00:38:30.420 A:middle L:90% some areas where maybe not so much and we're, 546 00:38:30.429 --> 00:38:34.000 A:middle L:90% you know, we should sit on the sidelines and 547 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.619 A:middle L:90% here a little bit. So I think perhaps, 548 00:38:36.630 --> 00:38:42.639 A:middle L:90% uh, a little area spike. Yeah, positive 549 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:46.340 A:middle L:90% . This may not be the one ready. Uh 550 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:49.519 A:middle L:90% , so we have to have a sense from where 551 00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.829 A:middle L:90% we can effectively contribute. I love for a long 552 00:38:52.829 --> 00:38:54.949 A:middle L:90% list of challenges from the, The report minutes of 553 00:38:54.960 --> 00:39:01.110 A:middle L:90% 40s seven. So I think it's a boundary 44 554 00:39:01.110 --> 00:39:06.929 A:middle L:90% too long. Um, and we sort of saw 555 00:39:06.929 --> 00:39:07.829 A:middle L:90% that in this meeting, we had sort of three 556 00:39:07.829 --> 00:39:10.849 A:middle L:90% areas where we have kind of a deep discussion Stone 557 00:39:10.849 --> 00:39:15.980 A:middle L:90% Mountain. Um, days. So a thought. 558 00:39:15.989 --> 00:39:19.880 A:middle L:90% So chris mentioned the research data alliance type of show 559 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.590 A:middle L:90% of hands. How many people knew about the Research 560 00:39:22.590 --> 00:39:27.130 A:middle L:90% Data Alliance before hearing about it. Today. You 561 00:39:27.130 --> 00:39:30.730 A:middle L:90% guys are doing so good. How many of you 562 00:39:30.730 --> 00:39:37.940 A:middle L:90% have attended a research legalized federally? So, so 563 00:39:37.949 --> 00:39:40.280 A:middle L:90% that's, you know, by perry was heard about 564 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:43.860 A:middle L:90% it. But not everybody is going the natural world 565 00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:46.539 A:middle L:90% to be. Especially, it's so I think there's 566 00:39:46.539 --> 00:39:50.139 A:middle L:90% a kind of a couple of questions or what can 567 00:39:50.139 --> 00:39:54.280 A:middle L:90% we learn from this? Two, wow, couple 568 00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:57.710 A:middle L:90% of things that I imagined. So one is, 569 00:39:57.710 --> 00:39:59.679 A:middle L:90% we can say, you know what, that's a 570 00:39:59.690 --> 00:40:02.739 A:middle L:90% great book. We can just hang our right. 571 00:40:04.210 --> 00:40:08.670 A:middle L:90% We would become an interest group expertise back would have 572 00:40:08.670 --> 00:40:12.449 A:middle L:90% some minutes. Right? So that lots of meetings 573 00:40:12.460 --> 00:40:15.320 A:middle L:90% , they're pretty well organized regularly scheduled. There's an 574 00:40:15.329 --> 00:40:21.099 A:middle L:90% interesting problem foods there mostly from the sciences disadvantage taking 575 00:40:21.110 --> 00:40:23.900 A:middle L:90% part interesting private folks. They're mostly from the scientists 576 00:40:23.909 --> 00:40:29.780 A:middle L:90% . Science is slightly different agenda than period, not 577 00:40:29.869 --> 00:40:35.480 A:middle L:90% , you know, overlapping. Right. But a 578 00:40:35.489 --> 00:40:37.719 A:middle L:90% different, uh, half time, a serious think 579 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.210 A:middle L:90% about, you know, is that too much lol 580 00:40:40.210 --> 00:40:44.400 A:middle L:90% . So I did does not produce the sense of 581 00:40:44.409 --> 00:40:51.320 A:middle L:90% community by the medication becoming there's another thing I think 582 00:40:52.409 --> 00:40:55.309 A:middle L:90% they have an interesting structure. I think it's quite 583 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.780 A:middle L:90% promising. I think it would be nice to this 584 00:40:58.780 --> 00:41:00.309 A:middle L:90% five years from now. We can look back and 585 00:41:00.309 --> 00:41:02.809 A:middle L:90% say, well that really worked out perfectly or after 586 00:41:02.809 --> 00:41:06.360 A:middle L:90% they fixed up the stuff that didn't work the first 587 00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.219 A:middle L:90% two years that worked really well. But there's a 588 00:41:08.219 --> 00:41:13.590 A:middle L:90% nice things. They're kind of interesting notion spinning out 589 00:41:13.590 --> 00:41:16.349 A:middle L:90% of working groups that fairly intensively, fairly high level 590 00:41:16.349 --> 00:41:22.809 A:middle L:90% of commitment to solve the problems, extremely typically funding 591 00:41:22.820 --> 00:41:24.369 A:middle L:90% because it's a problem. What was your interest to 592 00:41:24.369 --> 00:41:30.250 A:middle L:90% ? Especially so yeah, orientation there is that should 593 00:41:30.250 --> 00:41:31.929 A:middle L:90% actually be a problem of importance to the world. 594 00:41:32.409 --> 00:41:36.440 A:middle L:90% Not to their losses, losses, loss Sure, 595 00:41:37.210 --> 00:41:43.940 A:middle L:90% just that solution notion of So that would be another 596 00:41:43.949 --> 00:41:50.429 A:middle L:90% thing you could learn from fact activity is maybe a 597 00:41:51.309 --> 00:41:54.659 A:middle L:90% think hard about the working notion. Find those, 598 00:41:54.670 --> 00:41:58.320 A:middle L:90% you know, give people if your manager and the 599 00:41:58.329 --> 00:42:06.039 A:middle L:90% freedom to engage some Yeah, dedicated focused work on 600 00:42:06.050 --> 00:42:09.269 A:middle L:90% relative vying topics with a pretty short 36 months, 601 00:42:09.269 --> 00:42:15.329 A:middle L:90% 12 months, Right. Yeah. So that's a 602 00:42:15.340 --> 00:42:17.210 A:middle L:90% pretty good moment there. I think we don't want 603 00:42:17.210 --> 00:42:20.949 A:middle L:90% a value of progress from this community over a two 604 00:42:20.949 --> 00:42:24.230 A:middle L:90% year period. But if we had said one year 605 00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:29.730 A:middle L:90% would be about the same amount of progress. Sure 606 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:35.559 A:middle L:90% , probably. So. So that's that's about there 607 00:42:35.570 --> 00:42:37.599 A:middle L:90% . I think that is a bit more. It 608 00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:43.889 A:middle L:90% needs a bit of discuss. Mhm. I think 609 00:42:43.900 --> 00:42:47.349 A:middle L:90% education and training, we can contribute along lot of 610 00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:51.739 A:middle L:90% poker has gone. I'd say stay focused on that 611 00:42:51.750 --> 00:42:53.019 A:middle L:90% so far. Only one thing. I think that 612 00:42:53.019 --> 00:42:57.730 A:middle L:90% would be it. Right. The economic bitch. 613 00:42:58.099 --> 00:43:00.849 A:middle L:90% Uh huh. Mentioned it before, So I think 614 00:43:00.849 --> 00:43:04.099 A:middle L:90% that's pretty good. I think it's very important. 615 00:43:04.110 --> 00:43:06.139 A:middle L:90% I think we might be overstating it a little, 616 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.380 A:middle L:90% but not necessarily. Yeah, Yeah. Bye. 617 00:43:10.389 --> 00:43:14.320 A:middle L:90% Love David Sort of 50 of jump. Right. 618 00:43:14.329 --> 00:43:17.360 A:middle L:90% So let's look at the old ass, Let's get 619 00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:23.860 A:middle L:90% together saying one arm events in our six and having 620 00:43:23.860 --> 00:43:28.599 A:middle L:90% identified the woman seemed to think seriously about blocking them 621 00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.909 A:middle L:90% off. Right? Because I think 50% is w 622 00:43:31.909 --> 00:43:37.920 A:middle L:90% efficiency is two. People don't have a pulse too 623 00:43:39.099 --> 00:43:42.670 A:middle L:90% . He actually, we just talk to each other 624 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.539 A:middle L:90% . We'll find that. Yeah. Mind false. 625 00:43:45.539 --> 00:43:47.940 A:middle L:90% Were doing caps a is a 10 viewers, but 626 00:43:47.949 --> 00:43:52.130 A:middle L:90% your calls for doing is a tough line. Do 627 00:43:52.130 --> 00:43:53.440 A:middle L:90% a lot of thinking about it, I think. 628 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:58.099 A:middle L:90% Mhm. From the british library perspective, I know 629 00:43:58.110 --> 00:44:00.190 A:middle L:90% , my dear all neck, I know we're working 630 00:44:00.190 --> 00:44:04.719 A:middle L:90% on it, but I know behind the discussion. 631 00:44:09.090 --> 00:44:17.219 A:middle L:90% So education comics engaging broadly. So there are a 632 00:44:17.219 --> 00:44:22.219 A:middle L:90% lot of groups and organizations urging presentation problems. So 633 00:44:22.289 --> 00:44:25.730 A:middle L:90% first mentioned some of the recession around, Hey, 634 00:44:27.590 --> 00:44:34.059 A:middle L:90% that umbrella organization has some that are wrestling with what 635 00:44:34.070 --> 00:44:37.210 A:middle L:90% to do with their digital day to make sure that 636 00:44:37.690 --> 00:44:40.159 A:middle L:90% bodies into the long term. So they probably conditional 637 00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:45.309 A:middle L:90% preservation experts, but some of them are probably experience 638 00:44:45.630 --> 00:44:50.320 A:middle L:90% chris long furs or material scientists that's actually not your 639 00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.969 A:middle L:90% business and they probably don't even want to government business 640 00:44:53.969 --> 00:44:58.789 A:middle L:90% necessarily. Some, it's like christmas. Yeah. 641 00:44:59.489 --> 00:45:01.550 A:middle L:90% So let's see if we can bring something to them 642 00:45:01.550 --> 00:45:05.989 A:middle L:90% and kind of effective organization. So that will take 643 00:45:05.989 --> 00:45:09.340 A:middle L:90% some engagement between the digital preservation community or a not 644 00:45:09.340 --> 00:45:12.920 A:middle L:90% quite sure what the hooker mechanism for that is, 645 00:45:14.489 --> 00:45:17.139 A:middle L:90% The easy anybody can stimulate the creation of the world 646 00:45:19.190 --> 00:45:22.039 A:middle L:90% under that umbrella, but somebody has to step up 647 00:45:22.050 --> 00:45:30.880 A:middle L:90% and do certainly encourage somebody think upstairs also. So 648 00:45:30.909 --> 00:45:34.590 A:middle L:90% there's quite a bit of, one of the alignment 649 00:45:34.590 --> 00:45:37.199 A:middle L:90% aspects has to do with our message and talking to 650 00:45:37.329 --> 00:45:39.869 A:middle L:90% your music. Now, I know what the nature 651 00:45:39.869 --> 00:45:43.039 A:middle L:90% of communities is. When you get together, you're 652 00:45:43.050 --> 00:45:45.530 A:middle L:90% always you're all amount of differences, right? I 653 00:45:45.539 --> 00:45:47.829 A:middle L:90% do it this way, that way you call it 654 00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:51.840 A:middle L:90% , did my calling or whatever. Right? So 655 00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:55.019 A:middle L:90% that's great. That's how communities developed there. Is 656 00:45:55.019 --> 00:45:59.840 A:middle L:90% it progress? But when you talk to external communities 657 00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:02.400 A:middle L:90% , you always sounded silly, haven't they got to 658 00:46:02.409 --> 00:46:07.489 A:middle L:90% be six sorted out the other side and actually the 659 00:46:07.489 --> 00:46:08.329 A:middle L:90% answer is yes, they do. Yes. The 660 00:46:08.329 --> 00:46:12.909 A:middle L:90% digital preservation community does. Right. Um, there's 661 00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:16.059 A:middle L:90% a lot of consensus and decided that consensus area is 662 00:46:16.070 --> 00:46:22.949 A:middle L:90% substantive and important and worth communicating. So an activity 663 00:46:22.949 --> 00:46:25.590 A:middle L:90% that kind of crystallizes that was some part consensus messages 664 00:46:27.380 --> 00:46:31.889 A:middle L:90% and bring them effectively to other communities and use them 665 00:46:31.900 --> 00:46:38.570 A:middle L:90% also as a component engagement efforts or training activities would 666 00:46:38.579 --> 00:46:42.530 A:middle L:90% be fantastic. So I could never do something could 667 00:46:42.539 --> 00:46:47.789 A:middle L:90% hope to do crystallize everything that common, that common 668 00:46:47.789 --> 00:46:50.900 A:middle L:90% understanding. That's hard work. Takes quite a lot 669 00:46:50.900 --> 00:46:52.070 A:middle L:90% of conversations. It needs a group to do it 670 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:55.929 A:middle L:90% . You can do it by yourself, but truly 671 00:46:55.929 --> 00:47:02.099 A:middle L:90% never. Yeah. Yes. My last comment. 672 00:47:02.219 --> 00:47:07.860 A:middle L:90% Education, Economic, foreign Nation School. So I 673 00:47:07.869 --> 00:47:12.289 A:middle L:90% think we've been drawing our boundaries a little bit. 674 00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:15.360 A:middle L:90% Okay. And I think there's some good reasons for 675 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:17.750 A:middle L:90% that. If I roll back 5, 10 years 676 00:47:20.780 --> 00:47:22.920 A:middle L:90% . Digital preservation. Big heart problem. Actually I'm 677 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.599 A:middle L:90% supposed to heart problem on this is kind of scary 678 00:47:25.610 --> 00:47:29.210 A:middle L:90% problem. Right? We know we have responsibility, 679 00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:31.500 A:middle L:90% don't have discharging how we need to manage it. 680 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.190 A:middle L:90% Develop some specializations. Repository one was kind of in 681 00:47:37.190 --> 00:47:40.030 A:middle L:90% just one. There's a validation one, There's a 682 00:47:40.030 --> 00:47:45.320 A:middle L:90% cognitive in preservation planning one. Commission structure and uh 683 00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:47.760 A:middle L:90% huh. Those are pretty narrowly if you take two 684 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.980 A:middle L:90% or three steps back, people don't really understand why 685 00:47:52.980 --> 00:47:55.820 A:middle L:90% there's boundaries there. They're kind of thinking, well 686 00:47:55.820 --> 00:47:58.920 A:middle L:90% , I thought you guys would want would sort out 687 00:47:58.929 --> 00:48:06.289 A:middle L:90% the students, adults long term, thank you. 688 00:48:06.769 --> 00:48:09.090 A:middle L:90% And we will sometimes they will we don't really do 689 00:48:09.099 --> 00:48:13.159 A:middle L:90% that. We can do this. And I think 690 00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:16.699 A:middle L:90% that's that's not a bad thing, but that's enabled 691 00:48:16.699 --> 00:48:20.030 A:middle L:90% us to make a certain kind of progress. But 692 00:48:20.030 --> 00:48:23.619 A:middle L:90% I think now it's probably roughly east. Good time 693 00:48:23.630 --> 00:48:28.900 A:middle L:90% to broaden our sense of what the activity is. 694 00:48:29.369 --> 00:48:30.389 A:middle L:90% Maybe there's a core that we hold. Preservation. 695 00:48:30.389 --> 00:48:34.050 A:middle L:90% There's some other things we call something else, but 696 00:48:34.059 --> 00:48:37.280 A:middle L:90% people are interested in the um solution. They're not 697 00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:45.440 A:middle L:90% interested in the so okay, there's another problem with 698 00:48:45.449 --> 00:48:47.730 A:middle L:90% our selection as well. So if you think about 699 00:48:47.739 --> 00:48:51.340 A:middle L:90% that, you know, the subject, compose the 700 00:48:51.349 --> 00:48:54.019 A:middle L:90% workflow, selection and Jeff storage, preservation and access 701 00:48:54.289 --> 00:48:58.250 A:middle L:90% were used. Preservation is the woman says, I 702 00:48:58.250 --> 00:49:00.760 A:middle L:90% will need to value sometime in the future. All 703 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:04.780 A:middle L:90% right. That's a really bad just to be if 704 00:49:04.780 --> 00:49:07.190 A:middle L:90% you want to sell the value of what you're doing 705 00:49:07.170 --> 00:49:10.280 A:middle L:90% always quickly. True. We don't do that. 706 00:49:10.289 --> 00:49:12.329 A:middle L:90% You can say, well, I can give you 707 00:49:12.329 --> 00:49:14.780 A:middle L:90% access to this stuff now that you couldn't make any 708 00:49:15.369 --> 00:49:17.699 A:middle L:90% . You saw otherwise. A value proposition writing, 709 00:49:19.769 --> 00:49:22.269 A:middle L:90% broadening the package. Makes it clear what? Yeah 710 00:49:22.670 --> 00:49:27.579 A:middle L:90% . Music encourage us chambers and take a step back 711 00:49:27.579 --> 00:49:30.869 A:middle L:90% there. Yeah. How to be part of the 712 00:49:30.869 --> 00:49:34.590 A:middle L:90% value Change slippers, liver something today. Right, 713 00:49:35.070 --> 00:49:39.389 A:middle L:90% Sure. So thanks for That's why you see forever 714 00:49:40.619 --> 00:49:49.289 A:middle L:90% . Sorry. Yes. So, we've got time 715 00:49:49.300 --> 00:50:00.079 A:middle L:90% for a few questions or comments. Get anybody see 716 00:50:04.170 --> 00:50:09.280 A:middle L:90% that strips bathroom in its room, but Okay.